Way back in the day of the cowboy’s gun control was tougher than it is today

[miketx]

Southern states, which were among the first to enact laws against concealed carry of guns and knives,

While I agree with 99% of what you have posted here, I wonder if you are not attempting to expand gun control with your inclusion of "knives." I believe that is an embellishment. Until recently--the last 40-50 years or so, which is not the old west, I have never heard of a prohibition on knives. The research that you did is commendable--but the inclusion of something as seemingly innocent as knives is a stretch.

They banned concealed carry because of old fashioned ideas that only criminals would hide their guns...meanwhile, open carry of guns was completely and universally allowed...they never want to focus on that point.....

But but the movie...

 

[2aguy]

Mexico has among the most restrictive gun comtrol laws in the world.

Therefore there is no gun violence in Mexico, huh?

Criminals do not follow laws....you moron lefties.

Is murder illegal? It still happens.

Actually, Mexico's constitution has a clause almost identical to the Second Amendment... they just don't have the bizarre intrepretation the National Rampage Association has fostered.

No.....their country is a corrupt nightmare where the corrupt military owns the only gun store, that is located on a military base, and only the rich and politically connected are allowed to buy from the extremely limited selection of guns...

Meanwhile....

The drug cartels get military weapons from our government, because the corrupt Mexican military sells them to the cartels, or they buy them from Europe and china.........

joe.....you should really stop lying...

 

[westwall]

Mexico has among the most restrictive gun comtrol laws in the world.

Therefore there is no gun violence in Mexico, huh?

Criminals do not follow laws....you moron lefties.

Is murder illegal? It still happens.

Actually, Mexico's constitution has a clause almost identical to the Second Amendment... they just don't have the bizarre intrepretation the National Rampage Association has fostered.

No.....their country is a corrupt nightmare where the corrupt military owns the only gun store, that is located on a military base, and only the rich and politically connected are allowed to buy from the extremely limited selection of guns...

Meanwhile....

The drug cartels get military weapons from our government, because the corrupt Mexican military sells them to the cartels, or they buy them from Europe and china.........

joe.....you should really stop lying...

The cartels get the vast majority of their weapons from central and South America.

 

[2aguy]

Mexico has among the most restrictive gun comtrol laws in the world.

Therefore there is no gun violence in Mexico, huh?

Criminals do not follow laws....you moron lefties.

Is murder illegal? It still happens.

Actually, Mexico's constitution has a clause almost identical to the Second Amendment... they just don't have the bizarre intrepretation the National Rampage Association has fostered.

No.....their country is a corrupt nightmare where the corrupt military owns the only gun store, that is located on a military base, and only the rich and politically connected are allowed to buy from the extremely limited selection of guns...

Meanwhile....

The drug cartels get military weapons from our government, because the corrupt Mexican military sells them to the cartels, or they buy them from Europe and china.........

joe.....you should really stop lying...

The cartels get the vast majority of their weapons from central and South America.

Them too........but a lot of those militaries get their rifles from the U.S. government as well, then take them and sell them to the cartels.........

 

[westwall]

Mexico has among the most restrictive gun comtrol laws in the world.

Therefore there is no gun violence in Mexico, huh?

Criminals do not follow laws....you moron lefties.

Is murder illegal? It still happens.

Actually, Mexico's constitution has a clause almost identical to the Second Amendment... they just don't have the bizarre intrepretation the National Rampage Association has fostered.

No.....their country is a corrupt nightmare where the corrupt military owns the only gun store, that is located on a military base, and only the rich and politically connected are allowed to buy from the extremely limited selection of guns...

Meanwhile....

The drug cartels get military weapons from our government, because the corrupt Mexican military sells them to the cartels, or they buy them from Europe and china.........

joe.....you should really stop lying...

The cartels get the vast majority of their weapons from central and South America.

Them too........but a lot of those militaries get their rifles from the U.S. government as well, then take them and sell them to the cartels.........

The Mexican military is heavily involved in the drug trade. Many general rank officers are high up in the cartels.

 

[Concerned American]

Southern states, which were among the first to enact laws against concealed carry of guns and knives,

While I agree with 99% of what you have posted here, I wonder if you are not attempting to expand gun control with your inclusion of "knives." I believe that is an embellishment. Until recently--the last 40-50 years or so, which is not the old west, I have never heard of a prohibition on knives. The research that you did is commendable--but the inclusion of something as seemingly innocent as knives is a stretch.

They banned concealed carry because of old fashioned ideas that only criminals would hide their guns...meanwhile, open carry of guns was completely and universally allowed...they never want to focus on that point.....

But but the movie...

And the most germane point is again swept under the rug. I don't GAF what UNCONSTITUTIONAL laws some podunk wild west movie-enhanced town passed or did not pass. They are still unconstitutional. There are towns in the US that prohibit OPEN carry which is clearly a violation of the constitution--that does not make them right.

 

[Concerned American]

Mexico has among the most restrictive gun comtrol laws in the world.

Therefore there is no gun violence in Mexico, huh?

Criminals do not follow laws....you moron lefties.

Is murder illegal? It still happens.

Actually, Mexico's constitution has a clause almost identical to the Second Amendment... they just don't have the bizarre intrepretation the National Rampage Association has fostered.

No.....their country is a corrupt nightmare where the corrupt military owns the only gun store, that is located on a military base, and only the rich and politically connected are allowed to buy from the extremely limited selection of guns...

Meanwhile....

The drug cartels get military weapons from our government, because the corrupt Mexican military sells them to the cartels, or they buy them from Europe and china.........

joe.....you should really stop lying...

The cartels get the vast majority of their weapons from central and South America.

Them too........but a lot of those militaries get their rifles from the U.S. government as well, then take them and sell them to the cartels.........

hmmm. Iran-Contra scandal?

 

[2aguy]

Mexico has among the most restrictive gun comtrol laws in the world.

Therefore there is no gun violence in Mexico, huh?

Criminals do not follow laws....you moron lefties.

Is murder illegal? It still happens.

Actually, Mexico's constitution has a clause almost identical to the Second Amendment... they just don't have the bizarre intrepretation the National Rampage Association has fostered.

No.....their country is a corrupt nightmare where the corrupt military owns the only gun store, that is located on a military base, and only the rich and politically connected are allowed to buy from the extremely limited selection of guns...

Meanwhile....

The drug cartels get military weapons from our government, because the corrupt Mexican military sells them to the cartels, or they buy them from Europe and china.........

joe.....you should really stop lying...

The cartels get the vast majority of their weapons from central and South America.

Them too........but a lot of those militaries get their rifles from the U.S. government as well, then take them and sell them to the cartels.........

The Mexican military is heavily involved in the drug trade. Many general rank officers are high up in the cartels.

But......that would make them criminals.....and they control the only gun store in the entire country......

 

[Batcat]

Visitors in Thombstone were required to leave their guns, Bowie knives and dirks with a law officer when entering town but the residents could carry if they asked for a permit. The visitors were cowboys who loved to get drunk and the residents knew drunken cowboys and guns was a bad mix.



ORDINANCE №9 OF THE CITY OF TOMBSTONE

To Provide against Carrying of Deadly Weapons

Section 1. It is hereby declared unlawful to carry in the hand or upon the person or otherwise any deadly weapon within the limits of said city of Tombstone, without first obtaining a permit in writing.

Section 2: This prohibition does not extend to persons immediately leaving or entering the city, who, with good faith, and within reasonable time are proceeding to deposit, or take from the place of deposit such deadly weapon.

Section 3: All fire-arms of every description, and bowie knives and dirks, are included within the prohibition of this ordinance.

I visited Tombstone while i was in Arizona, you were allowed to openly carry there, just not in a hipholster as gun slinging was outlawed by Wyatt Earp.

I live in Florida and while we can carry concealed with a concealed weapons permit we have not legalized open carry in public.

I suspect the reason why Is open carry would scare tourists from the blue Yankee states like New York. One of the reasons Florida does not have a state income tax is tourists.

 

[Concerned American]

Visitors in Thombstone were required to leave their guns, Bowie knives and dirks with a law officer when entering town but the residents could carry if they asked for a permit. The visitors were cowboys who loved to get drunk and the residents knew drunken cowboys and guns was a bad mix.



ORDINANCE №9 OF THE CITY OF TOMBSTONE

To Provide against Carrying of Deadly Weapons

Section 1. It is hereby declared unlawful to carry in the hand or upon the person or otherwise any deadly weapon within the limits of said city of Tombstone, without first obtaining a permit in writing.

Section 2: This prohibition does not extend to persons immediately leaving or entering the city, who, with good faith, and within reasonable time are proceeding to deposit, or take from the place of deposit such deadly weapon.

Section 3: All fire-arms of every description, and bowie knives and dirks, are included within the prohibition of this ordinance.

I visited Tombstone while i was in Arizona, you were allowed to openly carry there, just not in a hipholster as gun slinging was outlawed by Wyatt Earp.

I live in Florida and while we can carry concealed with a concealed weapons permit we have not legalized open carry in public.

I suspect the reason why Is open carry would scare tourists from the blue Yankee states like New York. One of the reasons Florida does not have a state income tax is tourists.

Prohibitions on "open carry" are unconstitutional on their face. --the right to keep and BEAR arms shall not be infringed. Seems EXTREMELY clear to me.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Gun control is nothing new. Way back in the day of the cowboy’s gun control was tougher than it is today

The Second Amendment (Amendment II) to the United States Constitution protects the right of the people to keep and bear arms and was adopted on December 15, 1791 as part of the Bill of Rights.

In the 2008 Heller decision, the Supreme Court affirmed for the first time that the right belongs to individuals, exclusively for self-defense in the home, while also including, as dicta, that the right is not unlimited and does not preclude the existence of certain long-standing prohibitions such as those forbidding "the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill" or restrictions on "the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons. State and local governments are limited to the same extent as the federal government from infringing this right.

Gun Control Is as Old as the Old West

Contrary to the popular imagination, bearing arms on the frontier was a heavily regulated business
image: https://thumbs-prod.si-cdn.com/7hLl651LYAFdrPD6uJnBbRi1Rj8=/800x600/filters:no_upscale()/https://public-media.si-cdn.com/filer/da/bc/dabc3b99-f221-4392-8e0a-a3b3f3d98af5/wright1913_dodge_city_in_1878_14782835852.jpg

The “Old West” conjures up all sorts of imagery, but broadly, the term is used to evoke life among the crusty prospectors, threadbare gold panners, madams of brothels, and six-shooter-packing cowboys in small frontier towns – such as Tombstone, Deadwood, Dodge City, or Abilene, to name a few. One other thing these cities had in common: strict gun control laws.

Laws regulating ownership and carry of firearms, apart from the U.S. Constitution's Second Amendment, were passed at a local level rather than by Congress. “Gun control laws were adopted pretty quickly in these places,” says Winkler. “Most were adopted by municipal governments exercising self-control and self-determination.”

Carrying any kind of weapon, guns, or knives, was not allowed other than outside town borders and inside the home. When visitors left their weapons with a law officer upon entering town, they'd receive a token, like a coat check, which they'd exchange for their guns when leaving town.

The practice was started in Southern states, which were among the first to enact laws against concealed carry of guns and knives, in the early 1800s. -- The Battle Over the Right to Bear Arms in America, points to an 1840 Alabama court that, in upholding its state ban, ruled it was a state's right to regulate where and how a citizen could carry, and that the state constitution's allowance of personal firearms “is not to bear arms upon all occasions and in all places.”

Contrary to the popular imagination, bearing arms on the frontier was a heavily regulated business
image: https://thumbs-prod.si-cdn.com/7hLl651LYAFdrPD6uJnBbRi1Rj8=/800x600/filters:no_upscale()/https://public-media.si-cdn.com/filer/da/bc/dabc3b99-f221-4392-8e0a-a3b3f3d98af5/wright1913_dodge_city_in_1878_14782835852.jpg

Dodge City in 1878 (Wikimedia Commons)

It's October 26, 1881, in Tombstone, and Arizona
The laws of Tombstone at the time required visitors, upon entering town to disarm, either at a hotel or a lawman's office. (Residents of many famed cattle towns, such as Dodge City, Abilene, and Deadwood, had similar restrictions.)
image: https://public-media.si-cdn.com/fil...d-4fac-8fc0-7ff859b10f21/mclauriesclanton.jpg

"Tombstone had much more restrictive laws on carrying guns in public in the 1880s than it has today,” Same goes for most of the New West, to varying degrees, in the once-rowdy frontier towns of Nevada, Kansas, Montana, and South Dakota.

Dodge City, Kansas, formed a municipal government in 1878. According to Stephen Aron, a professor of history at UCLA, the first law passed was one prohibiting the carry of guns in town, likely by civic leaders and influential merchants who wanted people to move there, Cultivating a reputation of peace and stability was necessary, even in boisterous towns, if it were to become anything more transient than a one-industry boom town.

Laws regulating ownership and carry of firearms, apart from the U.S. Constitution's Second Amendment, were passed at a local level rather than by Congress. “Gun control laws were adopted pretty quickly in these places,” says Winkler. “Most were adopted by municipal governments exercising self-control and self-determination.” Carrying any kind of weapon, guns or knives, was not allowed other than outside town borders and inside the home. When visitors left their weapons with a law officer upon entering town, they'd receive a token, like a coat check, which they'd exchange for their guns when leaving town.

Louisiana, too, upheld an early ban on concealed carry firearms. When a Kentucky court reversed its ban, the state constitution was amended to specify the Kentucky general assembly was within its rights to, in the future, regulate or prohibit concealed carry.

Still, Winkler says, it was an affirmation that regulation was compatible with the Second Amendment. The federal government of the 1800s largely stayed out of gun-law court battles.

“People were allowed to own guns, and everyone did own guns [in the West], for the most part,” says Winkler.

“Having a firearm to protect yourself in the lawless wilderness from wild animals, hostile native tribes, and outlaws was a wise idea. But when you came into town, you had to either check your guns if you were a visitor or keep your guns at home if you were a resident.”
Gun Control Is as Old as the Old West

Did the Wild West Have More Gun Control Than We Do Today?

The answer is YES. When you entered a frontier town, you were legally required to leave your guns at the stables on the outskirts of town or drop them off with the sheriff, who would give you a token in exchange. You checked your guns then like you’d check your overcoat today at a Boston restaurant in winter. Visitors were welcome, but their guns were not.
While people were allowed to have guns at home for self-protection, frontier towns usually barred anyone but law enforcement from carrying guns in public.

When Dodge City residents organized their municipal government, do you know what the very first law they passed was? A gun control law. They declared that “any person or persons found carrying concealed weapons in the city of Dodge or violating the laws of the State shall be dealt with according to law.” Many frontier towns, including Tombstone, Arizona—the site of the infamous “Shootout at the OK Corral”—also barred the carrying of guns openly.

Like any law regulating things that are small and easy to conceal, the gun control of the Wild West wasn’t always perfectly enforced. But statistics show that, next to drunk and disorderly conduct, the most common cause of arrest was illegally carrying a firearm. Sheriffs and marshals took gun control seriously.
Did the Wild West Have More Gun Control Than We Do Today?

Illinois town bans assault weapons, will fine those who keep them
The town of Deerfield, Ill., has moved to ban assault weapons, including the AR-15 used in the school shooting in Parkland, Florida, claiming the measure will make the town more safe from mass shootings.

The ordinance was passed unanimously Monday by the Deerfield Village Board. It states the move is in the best interest of public health and will spur a culture change toward "the normative value that assault weapons should have no role or purpose in civil society."

It also takes a swing at a popular reading of the Second Amendment, stating the weapons are "not reasonably necessary to protect an individual's right of self-defense" or to preserve a well-regulated militia.
Illinois town bans assault weapons, will fine those who keep them

Chicago suburb bans assault weapons in response to Parkland shooting

With the future of federal gun control legislation uncertain, an affluent Chicago suburb this week took the aggressive step of banning assault weapons within its borders, in what local officials said was a direct response to the mass shooting at a Parkland, Fla., high school earlier this year.

Officials in Deerfield, Ill., unanimously approved the ordinance, which prohibits the possession, manufacture or sale of a range of firearms, as well as large-capacity magazines. Residents of the 19,000-person village have until June 13 to remove the guns from village limits or face up to $1,000 per day in fines.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...hooting/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.95db16134355

Seattle will require gun owners to lock up their firearms, after the City Council voted unanimously Monday to pass legislation proposed by Mayor Jenny Durkan.
Starting 180 days after Durkan signs the legislation, it will be a civil infraction to store a gun without the firearm being secured in a locked container.
The legislation will apply only to guns kept somewhere, rather than those carried by or under the control of their owners.
Also under the legislation, it will be a civil infraction when an owner knows or should know that a minor, “at-risk person” or unauthorized user is likely to access a gun and such a person actually does access the weapon.

The legislation allows fines up to $500 when a gun isn’t locked up,
up to $1,000 when a prohibited person accesses a firearm
and up to $10,000 when a prohibited person uses the weapon to hurt someone or commit a crime.
Gun owners face fines up to $10,000 for not locking up their guns under new Seattle law

What has changed from then to now??
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Hey, you forgot to post that old cowboy gun legislation where they banned all the scary-looking guns.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Armed people don't get on the boxcars.

They do when their fellow citizens turn them in. The reality of the holocaust is that guns didn't make a difference. The Warsaw Ghetto uprising had a shitload of guns... and managed to kill a whopping 19 Germans before they were all rounded up and killed...

Oh, well. In that case, they should have just surrender without a fight.

 

[Batcat]

Visitors in Thombstone were required to leave their guns, Bowie knives and dirks with a law officer when entering town but the residents could carry if they asked for a permit. The visitors were cowboys who loved to get drunk and the residents knew drunken cowboys and guns was a bad mix.



ORDINANCE №9 OF THE CITY OF TOMBSTONE

To Provide against Carrying of Deadly Weapons

Section 1. It is hereby declared unlawful to carry in the hand or upon the person or otherwise any deadly weapon within the limits of said city of Tombstone, without first obtaining a permit in writing.

Section 2: This prohibition does not extend to persons immediately leaving or entering the city, who, with good faith, and within reasonable time are proceeding to deposit, or take from the place of deposit such deadly weapon.

Section 3: All fire-arms of every description, and bowie knives and dirks, are included within the prohibition of this ordinance.

I visited Tombstone while i was in Arizona, you were allowed to openly carry there, just not in a hipholster as gun slinging was outlawed by Wyatt Earp.

I live in Florida and while we can carry concealed with a concealed weapons permit we have not legalized open carry in public.

I suspect the reason why Is open carry would scare tourists from the blue Yankee states like New York. One of the reasons Florida does not have a state income tax is tourists.

Prohibitions on "open carry" are unconstitutional on their face. --the right to keep and BEAR arms shall not be infringed. Seems EXTREMELY clear to me.

It does seem rather clear.

 

[Resnic]

A long time ago is not today. It's a completely different world from what it was even a hundred years.

The only thing that needs controlled is the problem makers. The vast majority of guns in this country are owned by people who never shot someone and if they did it was purely in self defense, pay their taxes, obey the laws and don't cause problems, go to work, take care of their families, and just everyday ordinary citizens of America.

You walk by a dozen concealed guns a day and never are aware of it I promise you. I know I'm one of them, so is my mom, dad, grandma and wife. I got my first gun when I was 8 and kept it under my bed.

It's the few people that have guns that make headlines with their crimes. They are the problem, not gun control of lack thereof. They need to be dealt with.

Switzerland has mandatory gun ownership, they also have about the lowest gun related crime in all of Europe. Why? Because they are a happier, more content society with very very high rankings in education, employment, public health, and in general the swiss mind their own business. They also don't let criminals run rampant, or have a society where it's a hodge podge of people from allover the world that don't want to conform to the society of the country they live in.

 

[daveman]

Armed people don't get on the boxcars.

They do when their fellow citizens turn them in. The reality of the holocaust is that guns didn't make a difference. The Warsaw Ghetto uprising had a shitload of guns... and managed to kill a whopping 19 Germans before they were all rounded up and killed...

A shitload of guns?

************

Being meticulous record keepers, the Nazis provided, and left behind, well-documented reports of the event, this one formulated by Jürgen Stroop, who led the German troops assigned the problem of the Jewish Warsaw Ghetto Uprising. The following comprised the record of the entirety of the weaponry and materiel that were recovered once the Jewish fighters had been annihilated:

7 Polish rifles
1 Russian rifle
1 German rifle
59 pistols of various caliber
Several hundred hand grenades, including Polish and home made ones
Several hundred incendiary bottles
Home made explosives
Infernal machines with fuses

Guns & Politics: The Warsaw Ghetto Uprising

Poland has become a beacon of hope for Western culture

dailycaller.com

That's a shitload to leftist pussies.

 

[Lesh]

I got my first gun when I was 8 and kept it under my bed.

Yea. That's safe

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

I got my first gun when I was 8 and kept it under my bed.

Yea. That's safe

Why would it be dangerous? Is some boogie man going to crawl under his bed at night and pull the trigger?

You have been conditioned by propaganda to believe that guns shoot by themselves. It takes quiet a bit of force to cause a gun to fire without pulling the trigger. 99.99999999% of times a gun "accidentally" discharges is because somebody pulled the trigger. Don't believe the bullshit.

In fact, must gun instructors call it a NEGLIGENT discharge. Meaning it is foreseeable and preventable, but for a person's neglect.

 

[watchingfromafar]

Subject only to the police power, the right of the individual citizen to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. (Illinois State Constitution)

You repeated the Illinois gun laws in four (4) posts, good for you

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[Biff_Poindexter]

Gun control is nothing new. Way back in the day of the cowboy’s gun control was tougher than it is today

The Second Amendment (Amendment II) to the United States Constitution protects the right of the people to keep and bear arms and was adopted on December 15, 1791 as part of the Bill of Rights.

In the 2008 Heller decision, the Supreme Court affirmed for the first time that the right belongs to individuals, exclusively for self-defense in the home, while also including, as dicta, that the right is not unlimited and does not preclude the existence of certain long-standing prohibitions such as those forbidding "the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill" or restrictions on "the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons. State and local governments are limited to the same extent as the federal government from infringing this right.

Gun Control Is as Old as the Old West

Contrary to the popular imagination, bearing arms on the frontier was a heavily regulated business
image: https://thumbs-prod.si-cdn.com/7hLl651LYAFdrPD6uJnBbRi1Rj8=/800x600/filters:no_upscale()/https://public-media.si-cdn.com/filer/da/bc/dabc3b99-f221-4392-8e0a-a3b3f3d98af5/wright1913_dodge_city_in_1878_14782835852.jpg

The “Old West” conjures up all sorts of imagery, but broadly, the term is used to evoke life among the crusty prospectors, threadbare gold panners, madams of brothels, and six-shooter-packing cowboys in small frontier towns – such as Tombstone, Deadwood, Dodge City, or Abilene, to name a few. One other thing these cities had in common: strict gun control laws.

Laws regulating ownership and carry of firearms, apart from the U.S. Constitution's Second Amendment, were passed at a local level rather than by Congress. “Gun control laws were adopted pretty quickly in these places,” says Winkler. “Most were adopted by municipal governments exercising self-control and self-determination.”

Carrying any kind of weapon, guns, or knives, was not allowed other than outside town borders and inside the home. When visitors left their weapons with a law officer upon entering town, they'd receive a token, like a coat check, which they'd exchange for their guns when leaving town.

The practice was started in Southern states, which were among the first to enact laws against concealed carry of guns and knives, in the early 1800s. -- The Battle Over the Right to Bear Arms in America, points to an 1840 Alabama court that, in upholding its state ban, ruled it was a state's right to regulate where and how a citizen could carry, and that the state constitution's allowance of personal firearms “is not to bear arms upon all occasions and in all places.”

Contrary to the popular imagination, bearing arms on the frontier was a heavily regulated business
image: https://thumbs-prod.si-cdn.com/7hLl651LYAFdrPD6uJnBbRi1Rj8=/800x600/filters:no_upscale()/https://public-media.si-cdn.com/filer/da/bc/dabc3b99-f221-4392-8e0a-a3b3f3d98af5/wright1913_dodge_city_in_1878_14782835852.jpg

Dodge City in 1878 (Wikimedia Commons)

It's October 26, 1881, in Tombstone, and Arizona
The laws of Tombstone at the time required visitors, upon entering town to disarm, either at a hotel or a lawman's office. (Residents of many famed cattle towns, such as Dodge City, Abilene, and Deadwood, had similar restrictions.)
image: https://public-media.si-cdn.com/fil...d-4fac-8fc0-7ff859b10f21/mclauriesclanton.jpg

"Tombstone had much more restrictive laws on carrying guns in public in the 1880s than it has today,” Same goes for most of the New West, to varying degrees, in the once-rowdy frontier towns of Nevada, Kansas, Montana, and South Dakota.

Dodge City, Kansas, formed a municipal government in 1878. According to Stephen Aron, a professor of history at UCLA, the first law passed was one prohibiting the carry of guns in town, likely by civic leaders and influential merchants who wanted people to move there, Cultivating a reputation of peace and stability was necessary, even in boisterous towns, if it were to become anything more transient than a one-industry boom town.

Laws regulating ownership and carry of firearms, apart from the U.S. Constitution's Second Amendment, were passed at a local level rather than by Congress. “Gun control laws were adopted pretty quickly in these places,” says Winkler. “Most were adopted by municipal governments exercising self-control and self-determination.” Carrying any kind of weapon, guns or knives, was not allowed other than outside town borders and inside the home. When visitors left their weapons with a law officer upon entering town, they'd receive a token, like a coat check, which they'd exchange for their guns when leaving town.

Louisiana, too, upheld an early ban on concealed carry firearms. When a Kentucky court reversed its ban, the state constitution was amended to specify the Kentucky general assembly was within its rights to, in the future, regulate or prohibit concealed carry.

Still, Winkler says, it was an affirmation that regulation was compatible with the Second Amendment. The federal government of the 1800s largely stayed out of gun-law court battles.

“People were allowed to own guns, and everyone did own guns [in the West], for the most part,” says Winkler.

“Having a firearm to protect yourself in the lawless wilderness from wild animals, hostile native tribes, and outlaws was a wise idea. But when you came into town, you had to either check your guns if you were a visitor or keep your guns at home if you were a resident.”
Gun Control Is as Old as the Old West

Did the Wild West Have More Gun Control Than We Do Today?

The answer is YES. When you entered a frontier town, you were legally required to leave your guns at the stables on the outskirts of town or drop them off with the sheriff, who would give you a token in exchange. You checked your guns then like you’d check your overcoat today at a Boston restaurant in winter. Visitors were welcome, but their guns were not.
While people were allowed to have guns at home for self-protection, frontier towns usually barred anyone but law enforcement from carrying guns in public.

When Dodge City residents organized their municipal government, do you know what the very first law they passed was? A gun control law. They declared that “any person or persons found carrying concealed weapons in the city of Dodge or violating the laws of the State shall be dealt with according to law.” Many frontier towns, including Tombstone, Arizona—the site of the infamous “Shootout at the OK Corral”—also barred the carrying of guns openly.

Like any law regulating things that are small and easy to conceal, the gun control of the Wild West wasn’t always perfectly enforced. But statistics show that, next to drunk and disorderly conduct, the most common cause of arrest was illegally carrying a firearm. Sheriffs and marshals took gun control seriously.
Did the Wild West Have More Gun Control Than We Do Today?

Illinois town bans assault weapons, will fine those who keep them
The town of Deerfield, Ill., has moved to ban assault weapons, including the AR-15 used in the school shooting in Parkland, Florida, claiming the measure will make the town more safe from mass shootings.

The ordinance was passed unanimously Monday by the Deerfield Village Board. It states the move is in the best interest of public health and will spur a culture change toward "the normative value that assault weapons should have no role or purpose in civil society."

It also takes a swing at a popular reading of the Second Amendment, stating the weapons are "not reasonably necessary to protect an individual's right of self-defense" or to preserve a well-regulated militia.
Illinois town bans assault weapons, will fine those who keep them

Chicago suburb bans assault weapons in response to Parkland shooting

With the future of federal gun control legislation uncertain, an affluent Chicago suburb this week took the aggressive step of banning assault weapons within its borders, in what local officials said was a direct response to the mass shooting at a Parkland, Fla., high school earlier this year.

Officials in Deerfield, Ill., unanimously approved the ordinance, which prohibits the possession, manufacture or sale of a range of firearms, as well as large-capacity magazines. Residents of the 19,000-person village have until June 13 to remove the guns from village limits or face up to $1,000 per day in fines.
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Seattle will require gun owners to lock up their firearms, after the City Council voted unanimously Monday to pass legislation proposed by Mayor Jenny Durkan.
Starting 180 days after Durkan signs the legislation, it will be a civil infraction to store a gun without the firearm being secured in a locked container.
The legislation will apply only to guns kept somewhere, rather than those carried by or under the control of their owners.
Also under the legislation, it will be a civil infraction when an owner knows or should know that a minor, “at-risk person” or unauthorized user is likely to access a gun and such a person actually does access the weapon.

The legislation allows fines up to $500 when a gun isn’t locked up,
up to $1,000 when a prohibited person accesses a firearm
and up to $10,000 when a prohibited person uses the weapon to hurt someone or commit a crime.
Gun owners face fines up to $10,000 for not locking up their guns under new Seattle law

What has changed from then to now??
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So what??

Gun control is a horrible concept.....there should be no laws that places restrictions on weapons....

If the military can have all of these weapons with our tax dollars -- we should be able to have those same weapons in case we need to overthrow that government...we can't rely on voting anymore....China owns our voting systems

 

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Gun control is nothing new. Way back in the day of the cowboy’s gun control was tougher than it is today

The Second Amendment (Amendment II) to the United States Constitution protects the right of the people to keep and bear arms and was adopted on December 15, 1791 as part of the Bill of Rights.

In the 2008 Heller decision, the Supreme Court affirmed for the first time that the right belongs to individuals, exclusively for self-defense in the home, while also including, as dicta, that the right is not unlimited and does not preclude the existence of certain long-standing prohibitions such as those forbidding "the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill" or restrictions on "the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons. State and local governments are limited to the same extent as the federal government from infringing this right.

Gun Control Is as Old as the Old West

Contrary to the popular imagination, bearing arms on the frontier was a heavily regulated business
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The “Old West” conjures up all sorts of imagery, but broadly, the term is used to evoke life among the crusty prospectors, threadbare gold panners, madams of brothels, and six-shooter-packing cowboys in small frontier towns – such as Tombstone, Deadwood, Dodge City, or Abilene, to name a few. One other thing these cities had in common: strict gun control laws.

Laws regulating ownership and carry of firearms, apart from the U.S. Constitution's Second Amendment, were passed at a local level rather than by Congress. “Gun control laws were adopted pretty quickly in these places,” says Winkler. “Most were adopted by municipal governments exercising self-control and self-determination.”

Carrying any kind of weapon, guns, or knives, was not allowed other than outside town borders and inside the home. When visitors left their weapons with a law officer upon entering town, they'd receive a token, like a coat check, which they'd exchange for their guns when leaving town.

The practice was started in Southern states, which were among the first to enact laws against concealed carry of guns and knives, in the early 1800s. -- The Battle Over the Right to Bear Arms in America, points to an 1840 Alabama court that, in upholding its state ban, ruled it was a state's right to regulate where and how a citizen could carry, and that the state constitution's allowance of personal firearms “is not to bear arms upon all occasions and in all places.”

Contrary to the popular imagination, bearing arms on the frontier was a heavily regulated business
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Dodge City in 1878 (Wikimedia Commons)

It's October 26, 1881, in Tombstone, and Arizona
The laws of Tombstone at the time required visitors, upon entering town to disarm, either at a hotel or a lawman's office. (Residents of many famed cattle towns, such as Dodge City, Abilene, and Deadwood, had similar restrictions.)
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"Tombstone had much more restrictive laws on carrying guns in public in the 1880s than it has today,” Same goes for most of the New West, to varying degrees, in the once-rowdy frontier towns of Nevada, Kansas, Montana, and South Dakota.

Dodge City, Kansas, formed a municipal government in 1878. According to Stephen Aron, a professor of history at UCLA, the first law passed was one prohibiting the carry of guns in town, likely by civic leaders and influential merchants who wanted people to move there, Cultivating a reputation of peace and stability was necessary, even in boisterous towns, if it were to become anything more transient than a one-industry boom town.

Laws regulating ownership and carry of firearms, apart from the U.S. Constitution's Second Amendment, were passed at a local level rather than by Congress. “Gun control laws were adopted pretty quickly in these places,” says Winkler. “Most were adopted by municipal governments exercising self-control and self-determination.” Carrying any kind of weapon, guns or knives, was not allowed other than outside town borders and inside the home. When visitors left their weapons with a law officer upon entering town, they'd receive a token, like a coat check, which they'd exchange for their guns when leaving town.

Louisiana, too, upheld an early ban on concealed carry firearms. When a Kentucky court reversed its ban, the state constitution was amended to specify the Kentucky general assembly was within its rights to, in the future, regulate or prohibit concealed carry.

Still, Winkler says, it was an affirmation that regulation was compatible with the Second Amendment. The federal government of the 1800s largely stayed out of gun-law court battles.

“People were allowed to own guns, and everyone did own guns [in the West], for the most part,” says Winkler.

“Having a firearm to protect yourself in the lawless wilderness from wild animals, hostile native tribes, and outlaws was a wise idea. But when you came into town, you had to either check your guns if you were a visitor or keep your guns at home if you were a resident.”
Gun Control Is as Old as the Old West

Did the Wild West Have More Gun Control Than We Do Today?

The answer is YES. When you entered a frontier town, you were legally required to leave your guns at the stables on the outskirts of town or drop them off with the sheriff, who would give you a token in exchange. You checked your guns then like you’d check your overcoat today at a Boston restaurant in winter. Visitors were welcome, but their guns were not.
While people were allowed to have guns at home for self-protection, frontier towns usually barred anyone but law enforcement from carrying guns in public.

When Dodge City residents organized their municipal government, do you know what the very first law they passed was? A gun control law. They declared that “any person or persons found carrying concealed weapons in the city of Dodge or violating the laws of the State shall be dealt with according to law.” Many frontier towns, including Tombstone, Arizona—the site of the infamous “Shootout at the OK Corral”—also barred the carrying of guns openly.

Like any law regulating things that are small and easy to conceal, the gun control of the Wild West wasn’t always perfectly enforced. But statistics show that, next to drunk and disorderly conduct, the most common cause of arrest was illegally carrying a firearm. Sheriffs and marshals took gun control seriously.
Did the Wild West Have More Gun Control Than We Do Today?

Illinois town bans assault weapons, will fine those who keep them
The town of Deerfield, Ill., has moved to ban assault weapons, including the AR-15 used in the school shooting in Parkland, Florida, claiming the measure will make the town more safe from mass shootings.

The ordinance was passed unanimously Monday by the Deerfield Village Board. It states the move is in the best interest of public health and will spur a culture change toward "the normative value that assault weapons should have no role or purpose in civil society."

It also takes a swing at a popular reading of the Second Amendment, stating the weapons are "not reasonably necessary to protect an individual's right of self-defense" or to preserve a well-regulated militia.
Illinois town bans assault weapons, will fine those who keep them

Chicago suburb bans assault weapons in response to Parkland shooting

With the future of federal gun control legislation uncertain, an affluent Chicago suburb this week took the aggressive step of banning assault weapons within its borders, in what local officials said was a direct response to the mass shooting at a Parkland, Fla., high school earlier this year.

Officials in Deerfield, Ill., unanimously approved the ordinance, which prohibits the possession, manufacture or sale of a range of firearms, as well as large-capacity magazines. Residents of the 19,000-person village have until June 13 to remove the guns from village limits or face up to $1,000 per day in fines.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...hooting/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.95db16134355

Seattle will require gun owners to lock up their firearms, after the City Council voted unanimously Monday to pass legislation proposed by Mayor Jenny Durkan.
Starting 180 days after Durkan signs the legislation, it will be a civil infraction to store a gun without the firearm being secured in a locked container.
The legislation will apply only to guns kept somewhere, rather than those carried by or under the control of their owners.
Also under the legislation, it will be a civil infraction when an owner knows or should know that a minor, “at-risk person” or unauthorized user is likely to access a gun and such a person actually does access the weapon.

The legislation allows fines up to $500 when a gun isn’t locked up,
up to $1,000 when a prohibited person accesses a firearm
and up to $10,000 when a prohibited person uses the weapon to hurt someone or commit a crime.
Gun owners face fines up to $10,000 for not locking up their guns under new Seattle law

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I stopped reading after you got the Heller ruling completely wrong.