Watch this... Hey libs, do you have any examples of successful socialist countries? List them.

[ThunderKiss1965]

Well, I would think the bottom line for "success" would be the happiness of its citizens, so let's see what this survey says: Visit the Top 10 Happiest Countries in the World

1. Denmark
2. Switzerland
3. Iceland
4. Norway
5. Finland
6. Canada
7. The Netherlands
8. New Zealand
9. Australia
10. Sweden

And since it appears that "socialism" is whatever government spending exceeds military, I guess those would qualify as "socialist".

So I guess we need to specify definitions.
.

None of those countries practice socialism.

They think they do. Unbelievable brain wash with you people.

Socialism is where the government controls the means of production. They can think all they want but what they implement is big social programs paid for by capitalism. People like yourself aren't brainwashed, just plain ignorant.

 

[Mac1958]

Well, I would think the bottom line for "success" would be the happiness of its citizens, so let's see what this survey says: Visit the Top 10 Happiest Countries in the World

1. Denmark
2. Switzerland
3. Iceland
4. Norway
5. Finland
6. Canada
7. The Netherlands
8. New Zealand
9. Australia
10. Sweden

And since it appears that "socialism" is whatever government spending exceeds military, I guess those would qualify as "socialist".

So I guess we need to specify definitions.
.

None of those countries practice socialism.

They think they do. Unbelievable brain wash with you people.

Socialism is where the government controls the means of production. They can think all they want but what they implement is big social programs paid for by capitalism. People like yourself aren't brainwashed, just plain ignorant.

So you think that we don't notice you guys screaming SOCIALISM whenever more government is advocated or utilized. As it is in those countries.

Go ahead and list the countries that you think are ACTUALLY socialist. We'll agree, they're lousy.

The rest, the social democratic countries listed above, are ACTUALLY the goal. Not Venezuela.

You guys just refuse to acknowledge that.

 

[bripat9643]

By what definition of "right wing" is fascism right wing?

It supported the monarchy in the Spanish civil war. That's as right wing as can be. Supporting the monarchy is where the term came from originally, the French monarchy, before Madame had her say.

So the fascists installed the king when they won the war? . . . er, no.

One more leftwing idiocy shot down.

Right-wingers love kings and queens. Yes Franco brought in the king to take over from him. And yes I lived under Franco. A lot of right-wingers liked it because it was so safe. Spanish citizens and expats.

Spain didn't have a king until the 1975, moron

By what definition of "right wing" is fascism right wing?

It supported the monarchy in the Spanish civil war. That's as right wing as can be. Supporting the monarchy is where the term came from originally, the French monarchy, before Madame had her say.

So the fascists installed the king when they won the war? . . . er, no.

One more leftwing idiocy shot down.

Right-wingers love kings and queens. Yes Franco brought in the king to take over from him. And yes I lived under Franco. A lot of right-wingers liked it because it was so safe. Spanish citizens and expats.

Spain didn't have a king until the 1975, moron.

Of course not moron. That was the year generalissimo Francisco Franco died. He had been keeping Juan Carlos around for years to take over when he died. Jeese.

So the fascists didn't actually support the monarchy.

Thanks for admitting it.

 

[bripat9643]

Well, I would think the bottom line for "success" would be the happiness of its citizens, so let's see what this survey says: Visit the Top 10 Happiest Countries in the World

1. Denmark
2. Switzerland
3. Iceland
4. Norway
5. Finland
6. Canada
7. The Netherlands
8. New Zealand
9. Australia
10. Sweden

And since it appears that "socialism" is whatever government spending exceeds military, I guess those would qualify as "socialist".

So I guess we need to specify definitions.
.

None of those countries practice socialism.

They think they do. Unbelievable brain wash with you people.

Socialism is where the government controls the means of production. They can think all they want but what they implement is big social programs paid for by capitalism. People like yourself aren't brainwashed, just plain ignorant.

So you think that we don't notice you guys screaming SOCIALISM whenever more government is advocated or utilized. As it is in those countries.

Go ahead and list the countries that you think are ACTUALLY socialist. We'll agree, they're lousy.

The rest, the social democratic countries listed above, are ACTUALLY the goal. Not Venezuela.

You guys just refuse to acknowledge that.

62	Democratic Republic of Congo	49.5	-0.8		172	Kiribati	45.2	-2.1
163	Suriname	49.5	+1.4		173	Sudan	45.0	-2.7
164	Iran	49.2	-1.9		174	Zimbabwe	43.1	+2.7
165	Liberia	49.0	-0.7		175	Bolivia	42.8	+0.5
166	Burundi	49.0	+0.1		176	Republic of Congo	41.8	+2.1
167	Equatorial Guinea	48.3	+7.3		177	Eritrea	38.5	-0.4
168	Sierra Leone	48.0	+0.5		178	Cuba	26.9	-0.9
169	Algeria	46.9	+0.7		179	Venezuela	25.2	-0.7
170	Turkmenistan	46.5	-1.9		180	North Korea	4.2	-1.7
171	Timor-Leste	45.9	+1.7

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

Go ahead, we are interested in hearing these wonderful successes.

Please, list the countries.

Cuba

North Korea

China

Venezuela

Prove to me those Countries are not the perfect Utopia that the U.S. can follow?

( I listed Communist Nations for the hell of it )

Actually Canada, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Iceland and U.K. have major elements of socialism in them and so does the U.S. ...

They are not communist...

 

[bripat9643]

Go ahead, we are interested in hearing these wonderful successes.

Please, list the countries.

Cuba

North Korea

China

Venezuela

Prove to me those Countries are not the perfect Utopia that the U.S. can follow?

( I listed Communist Nations for the hell of it )

Actually Canada, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Iceland and U.K. have major elements of socialism in them and so does the U.S. ...

They are not communist...

Actually, most of those countries are higher on the Index of economic freedom than the US.

 

[Mac1958]

Well, I would think the bottom line for "success" would be the happiness of its citizens, so let's see what this survey says: Visit the Top 10 Happiest Countries in the World

1. Denmark
2. Switzerland
3. Iceland
4. Norway
5. Finland
6. Canada
7. The Netherlands
8. New Zealand
9. Australia
10. Sweden

And since it appears that "socialism" is whatever government spending exceeds military, I guess those would qualify as "socialist".

So I guess we need to specify definitions.
.

None of those countries practice socialism.

They think they do. Unbelievable brain wash with you people.

Socialism is where the government controls the means of production. They can think all they want but what they implement is big social programs paid for by capitalism. People like yourself aren't brainwashed, just plain ignorant.

So you think that we don't notice you guys screaming SOCIALISM whenever more government is advocated or utilized. As it is in those countries.

Go ahead and list the countries that you think are ACTUALLY socialist. We'll agree, they're lousy.

The rest, the social democratic countries listed above, are ACTUALLY the goal. Not Venezuela.

You guys just refuse to acknowledge that.

62	Democratic Republic of Congo	49.5	-0.8		172	Kiribati	45.2	-2.1
163	Suriname	49.5	+1.4		173	Sudan	45.0	-2.7
164	Iran	49.2	-1.9		174	Zimbabwe	43.1	+2.7
165	Liberia	49.0	-0.7		175	Bolivia	42.8	+0.5
166	Burundi	49.0	+0.1		176	Republic of Congo	41.8	+2.1
167	Equatorial Guinea	48.3	+7.3		177	Eritrea	38.5	-0.4
168	Sierra Leone	48.0	+0.5		178	Cuba	26.9	-0.9
169	Algeria	46.9	+0.7		179	Venezuela	25.2	-0.7
170	Turkmenistan	46.5	-1.9		180	North Korea	4.2	-1.7
171	Timor-Leste	45.9	+1.7

Great. Shit holes, no one wants to be like that.

The countries that I listed are what the Democratic Socialism folks are after.

I'm glad we have this all straightened out now.

 

[bripat9643]

Well, I would think the bottom line for "success" would be the happiness of its citizens, so let's see what this survey says: Visit the Top 10 Happiest Countries in the World

1. Denmark
2. Switzerland
3. Iceland
4. Norway
5. Finland
6. Canada
7. The Netherlands
8. New Zealand
9. Australia
10. Sweden

And since it appears that "socialism" is whatever government spending exceeds military, I guess those would qualify as "socialist".

So I guess we need to specify definitions.
.

None of those countries practice socialism.

They think they do. Unbelievable brain wash with you people.

Socialism is where the government controls the means of production. They can think all they want but what they implement is big social programs paid for by capitalism. People like yourself aren't brainwashed, just plain ignorant.

So you think that we don't notice you guys screaming SOCIALISM whenever more government is advocated or utilized. As it is in those countries.

Go ahead and list the countries that you think are ACTUALLY socialist. We'll agree, they're lousy.

The rest, the social democratic countries listed above, are ACTUALLY the goal. Not Venezuela.

You guys just refuse to acknowledge that.

62	Democratic Republic of Congo	49.5	-0.8		172	Kiribati	45.2	-2.1
163	Suriname	49.5	+1.4		173	Sudan	45.0	-2.7
164	Iran	49.2	-1.9		174	Zimbabwe	43.1	+2.7
165	Liberia	49.0	-0.7		175	Bolivia	42.8	+0.5
166	Burundi	49.0	+0.1		176	Republic of Congo	41.8	+2.1
167	Equatorial Guinea	48.3	+7.3		177	Eritrea	38.5	-0.4
168	Sierra Leone	48.0	+0.5		178	Cuba	26.9	-0.9
169	Algeria	46.9	+0.7		179	Venezuela	25.2	-0.7
170	Turkmenistan	46.5	-1.9		180	North Korea	4.2	-1.7
171	Timor-Leste	45.9	+1.7

Great. Shit holes, no one wants to be like that.

The countries that I listed are what the Democratic Socialism folks are after.

I'm glad we have this all straightened out now.

You mean they are after capitalism with welfare programs?

 

[Richard-H]

It's amazing how Trumpbots convolute Liberalism and democratic socialism with communist dictatorships.

First they declare any idea to the left of Mussolini as socialist, then they cite the failures of communist dictatorships to debunk those ideas.

Bait & switch much?

So-called "Democratic socialism" doesn't exist. We have mostly capitalist welfare states and then we have socialist dictatorships.

You can call them what you'd like, but the fact is that trumpbots like yourself call any liberal ideas 'Socialist' then debunk them using communist dictatorships as an example.

It's nothing but word games!

 

[Mac1958]

Well, I would think the bottom line for "success" would be the happiness of its citizens, so let's see what this survey says: Visit the Top 10 Happiest Countries in the World

1. Denmark
2. Switzerland
3. Iceland
4. Norway
5. Finland
6. Canada
7. The Netherlands
8. New Zealand
9. Australia
10. Sweden

And since it appears that "socialism" is whatever government spending exceeds military, I guess those would qualify as "socialist".

So I guess we need to specify definitions.
.

None of those countries practice socialism.

They think they do. Unbelievable brain wash with you people.

Socialism is where the government controls the means of production. They can think all they want but what they implement is big social programs paid for by capitalism. People like yourself aren't brainwashed, just plain ignorant.

So you think that we don't notice you guys screaming SOCIALISM whenever more government is advocated or utilized. As it is in those countries.

Go ahead and list the countries that you think are ACTUALLY socialist. We'll agree, they're lousy.

The rest, the social democratic countries listed above, are ACTUALLY the goal. Not Venezuela.

You guys just refuse to acknowledge that.

62	Democratic Republic of Congo	49.5	-0.8		172	Kiribati	45.2	-2.1
163	Suriname	49.5	+1.4		173	Sudan	45.0	-2.7
164	Iran	49.2	-1.9		174	Zimbabwe	43.1	+2.7
165	Liberia	49.0	-0.7		175	Bolivia	42.8	+0.5
166	Burundi	49.0	+0.1		176	Republic of Congo	41.8	+2.1
167	Equatorial Guinea	48.3	+7.3		177	Eritrea	38.5	-0.4
168	Sierra Leone	48.0	+0.5		178	Cuba	26.9	-0.9
169	Algeria	46.9	+0.7		179	Venezuela	25.2	-0.7
170	Turkmenistan	46.5	-1.9		180	North Korea	4.2	-1.7
171	Timor-Leste	45.9	+1.7

Great. Shit holes, no one wants to be like that.

The countries that I listed are what the Democratic Socialism folks are after.

I'm glad we have this all straightened out now.

You mean they are after capitalism with welfare programs?

Yes. Pretty much like what we have, just some more. That's not the socialism of Venezuela.

Now you guys no longer have to be confused. Cool!

 

[Richard-H]

It's amazing how Trumpbots convolute Liberalism and democratic socialism with communist dictatorships.

First they declare any idea to the left of Mussolini as socialist, then they cite the failures of communist dictatorships to debunk those ideas.

Bait & switch much?

Actually, those who have escaped Communist countries and come to the US tend to be Republican because they are able to see that the obvious end result of liberal policies is Socialism into Communism, from which they escaped. It is liberals in this country that are far too ignorant and spoiled to recognize the correlation. I am beginning to think Liberals have an area of their brain that simply doesn't function at all.

I'm married to a person that was raised in the Soviet Union. Yes, your right in that most of my wife's family were fanatic Republicans when they first came here. But over the tears they changed dramatically. Now that they've seen what capitalism is really like, they're pretty middle of the road.

Coming from a country where no one got laid off, everyone had a place to live, everyone had a job, everyone had health care, everyone had free education, everyone had free child care, women had huge amounts of maternity leave and everyone had a decent retirement had it's benefits.

Now they live in a place where they can get laid off anytime, can become homeless, have to spend their life savings on healthcare, have to go into a mountain of debt to pay for college, have to pay an arm and a leg for child care and have a very, very uncertain retirement, makes the Soviet Union sound not as bad as they thought.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Well, I would think the bottom line for "success" would be the happiness of its citizens, so let's see what this survey says: Visit the Top 10 Happiest Countries in the World

1. Denmark
2. Switzerland
3. Iceland
4. Norway
5. Finland
6. Canada
7. The Netherlands
8. New Zealand
9. Australia
10. Sweden

And since it appears that "socialism" is whatever government spending exceeds military, I guess those would qualify as "socialist".

So I guess we need to specify definitions.
.

None. I say again....NONE of those countries are socialist.

They have socialist health care (where the government owns and controls the industry).

While I am one who supports a huge cut to defense spending, I would also like to note that 10 of those 10 countries rely heavily on U.S. military power for their security. Their defense mooching allows them to afford socialist health care.

.

 

[Unkotare]

By what definition of "right wing" is fascism right wing?

It supported the monarchy in the Spanish civil war. That's as right wing as can be. Supporting the monarchy is where the term came from originally, the French monarchy, before Madame had her say.

So the fascists installed the king when they won the war? . . . er, no.

One more leftwing idiocy shot down.

Right-wingers love kings and queens. Yes Franco brought in the king to take over from him. And yes I lived under Franco. A lot of right-wingers liked it because it was so safe. Spanish citizens and expats.

Spain didn't have a king until the 1975, moron

???

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Well, I would think the bottom line for "success" would be the happiness of its citizens, so let's see what this survey says: Visit the Top 10 Happiest Countries in the World

1. Denmark
2. Switzerland
3. Iceland
4. Norway
5. Finland
6. Canada
7. The Netherlands
8. New Zealand
9. Australia
10. Sweden

And since it appears that "socialism" is whatever government spending exceeds military, I guess those would qualify as "socialist".

So I guess we need to specify definitions.
.

None of those countries practice socialism.

They think they do. Unbelievable brain wash with you people.

Socialism is where the government controls the means of production. They can think all they want but what they implement is big social programs paid for by capitalism. People like yourself aren't brainwashed, just plain ignorant.

So you think that we don't notice you guys screaming SOCIALISM whenever more government is advocated or utilized. As it is in those countries.

Go ahead and list the countries that you think are ACTUALLY socialist. We'll agree, they're lousy.

The rest, the social democratic countries listed above, are ACTUALLY the goal. Not Venezuela.

You guys just refuse to acknowledge that.

62	Democratic Republic of Congo	49.5	-0.8		172	Kiribati	45.2	-2.1
163	Suriname	49.5	+1.4		173	Sudan	45.0	-2.7
164	Iran	49.2	-1.9		174	Zimbabwe	43.1	+2.7
165	Liberia	49.0	-0.7		175	Bolivia	42.8	+0.5
166	Burundi	49.0	+0.1		176	Republic of Congo	41.8	+2.1
167	Equatorial Guinea	48.3	+7.3		177	Eritrea	38.5	-0.4
168	Sierra Leone	48.0	+0.5		178	Cuba	26.9	-0.9
169	Algeria	46.9	+0.7		179	Venezuela	25.2	-0.7
170	Turkmenistan	46.5	-1.9		180	North Korea	4.2	-1.7
171	Timor-Leste	45.9	+1.7

Great. Shit holes, no one wants to be like that.

The countries that I listed are what the Democratic Socialism folks are after.

I'm glad we have this all straightened out now.

You mean they are after capitalism with welfare programs?

Yes. Pretty much like what we have, just some more. That's not the socialism of Venezuela.

Now you guys no longer have to be confused. Cool!

I agree, but those countries are not Democratic Socialist countries either. Democratic Socialism is still socialism and is not practiced ANYWHERE on Earth. Democratic Socialism just has a better sounding name. Same result.

.

 

[Mac1958]

Well, I would think the bottom line for "success" would be the happiness of its citizens, so let's see what this survey says: Visit the Top 10 Happiest Countries in the World

1. Denmark
2. Switzerland
3. Iceland
4. Norway
5. Finland
6. Canada
7. The Netherlands
8. New Zealand
9. Australia
10. Sweden

And since it appears that "socialism" is whatever government spending exceeds military, I guess those would qualify as "socialist".

So I guess we need to specify definitions.
.

None. I say again....NONE of those countries are socialist.

They have socialist health care (where the government owns and controls the industry).

While I am one who supports a huge cut to defense spending, I would also like to note that 10 of those 10 countries rely heavily on U.S. military power for their security. Their defense mooching allows them to afford socialist health care.

.

We cover that above. Look two posts prior to yours.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Coming from a country where no one got laid off, everyone had a place to live, everyone had a job, everyone had health care, everyone had free education, everyone had free child care, women had huge amounts of maternity leave and everyone had a decent retirement had it's benefits.

Which fairy-tale country was that?

.

 

[Mac1958]

Well, I would think the bottom line for "success" would be the happiness of its citizens, so let's see what this survey says: Visit the Top 10 Happiest Countries in the World

1. Denmark
2. Switzerland
3. Iceland
4. Norway
5. Finland
6. Canada
7. The Netherlands
8. New Zealand
9. Australia
10. Sweden

And since it appears that "socialism" is whatever government spending exceeds military, I guess those would qualify as "socialist".

So I guess we need to specify definitions.
.

None of those countries practice socialism.

They think they do. Unbelievable brain wash with you people.

Socialism is where the government controls the means of production. They can think all they want but what they implement is big social programs paid for by capitalism. People like yourself aren't brainwashed, just plain ignorant.

So you think that we don't notice you guys screaming SOCIALISM whenever more government is advocated or utilized. As it is in those countries.

Go ahead and list the countries that you think are ACTUALLY socialist. We'll agree, they're lousy.

The rest, the social democratic countries listed above, are ACTUALLY the goal. Not Venezuela.

You guys just refuse to acknowledge that.

62	Democratic Republic of Congo	49.5	-0.8		172	Kiribati	45.2	-2.1
163	Suriname	49.5	+1.4		173	Sudan	45.0	-2.7
164	Iran	49.2	-1.9		174	Zimbabwe	43.1	+2.7
165	Liberia	49.0	-0.7		175	Bolivia	42.8	+0.5
166	Burundi	49.0	+0.1		176	Republic of Congo	41.8	+2.1
167	Equatorial Guinea	48.3	+7.3		177	Eritrea	38.5	-0.4
168	Sierra Leone	48.0	+0.5		178	Cuba	26.9	-0.9
169	Algeria	46.9	+0.7		179	Venezuela	25.2	-0.7
170	Turkmenistan	46.5	-1.9		180	North Korea	4.2	-1.7
171	Timor-Leste	45.9	+1.7

Great. Shit holes, no one wants to be like that.

The countries that I listed are what the Democratic Socialism folks are after.

I'm glad we have this all straightened out now.

You mean they are after capitalism with welfare programs?

Yes. Pretty much like what we have, just some more. That's not the socialism of Venezuela.

Now you guys no longer have to be confused. Cool!

I agree, but those countries are not Democratic Socialist countries either. Democratic Socialism is still socialism and is not practiced ANYWHERE on Earth. Democratic Socialism just has a better sounding name. Same result.

.

Well, you're making your own definitions.

The point is that the Democratic Socialists are after the countries I listed. That's what they're after. Not Venezuela. It couldn't be more clear.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Well, I would think the bottom line for "success" would be the happiness of its citizens, so let's see what this survey says: Visit the Top 10 Happiest Countries in the World

1. Denmark
2. Switzerland
3. Iceland
4. Norway
5. Finland
6. Canada
7. The Netherlands
8. New Zealand
9. Australia
10. Sweden

And since it appears that "socialism" is whatever government spending exceeds military, I guess those would qualify as "socialist".

So I guess we need to specify definitions.
.

None. I say again....NONE of those countries are socialist.

They have socialist health care (where the government owns and controls the industry).

While I am one who supports a huge cut to defense spending, I would also like to note that 10 of those 10 countries rely heavily on U.S. military power for their security. Their defense mooching allows them to afford socialist health care.

.

We cover that above. Look two posts prior to yours.

You didn't cover all of it.

I want those 10 countries to pay tribute (taxes) the U.S. for the past 50+ years of military support.

We can all have "free" health care at their expense.

.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Well, I would think the bottom line for "success" would be the happiness of its citizens, so let's see what this survey says: Visit the Top 10 Happiest Countries in the World

1. Denmark
2. Switzerland
3. Iceland
4. Norway
5. Finland
6. Canada
7. The Netherlands
8. New Zealand
9. Australia
10. Sweden

And since it appears that "socialism" is whatever government spending exceeds military, I guess those would qualify as "socialist".

So I guess we need to specify definitions.
.

None of those countries practice socialism.

They think they do. Unbelievable brain wash with you people.

Socialism is where the government controls the means of production. They can think all they want but what they implement is big social programs paid for by capitalism. People like yourself aren't brainwashed, just plain ignorant.

So you think that we don't notice you guys screaming SOCIALISM whenever more government is advocated or utilized. As it is in those countries.

Go ahead and list the countries that you think are ACTUALLY socialist. We'll agree, they're lousy.

The rest, the social democratic countries listed above, are ACTUALLY the goal. Not Venezuela.

You guys just refuse to acknowledge that.

62	Democratic Republic of Congo	49.5	-0.8		172	Kiribati	45.2	-2.1
163	Suriname	49.5	+1.4		173	Sudan	45.0	-2.7
164	Iran	49.2	-1.9		174	Zimbabwe	43.1	+2.7
165	Liberia	49.0	-0.7		175	Bolivia	42.8	+0.5
166	Burundi	49.0	+0.1		176	Republic of Congo	41.8	+2.1
167	Equatorial Guinea	48.3	+7.3		177	Eritrea	38.5	-0.4
168	Sierra Leone	48.0	+0.5		178	Cuba	26.9	-0.9
169	Algeria	46.9	+0.7		179	Venezuela	25.2	-0.7
170	Turkmenistan	46.5	-1.9		180	North Korea	4.2	-1.7
171	Timor-Leste	45.9	+1.7

Great. Shit holes, no one wants to be like that.

The countries that I listed are what the Democratic Socialism folks are after.

I'm glad we have this all straightened out now.

You mean they are after capitalism with welfare programs?

Yes. Pretty much like what we have, just some more. That's not the socialism of Venezuela.

Now you guys no longer have to be confused. Cool!

I agree, but those countries are not Democratic Socialist countries either. Democratic Socialism is still socialism and is not practiced ANYWHERE on Earth. Democratic Socialism just has a better sounding name. Same result.

.

Well, you're making your own definitions.

The point is that the Democratic Socialists are after the countries I listed. That's what they're after. Not Venezuela. It couldn't be more clear.

Democratic Commies may want the RESULTS of those 10 countries, but they will not get it, being commies (socialists) and all.

Again, none of those countries are socialist or democratic socialist.

They are capitalist nations with socialist health care and a large welfare support system that WE THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA fund because WE spend a FUCKING SHIT TON providing for their defense.

I want them to pay for it. For the last 50+ years. With 30% compounding interest.

.

 

[francoHFW]

Well, I would think the bottom line for "success" would be the happiness of its citizens, so let's see what this survey says: Visit the Top 10 Happiest Countries in the World

1. Denmark
2. Switzerland
3. Iceland
4. Norway
5. Finland
6. Canada
7. The Netherlands
8. New Zealand
9. Australia
10. Sweden

And since it appears that "socialism" is whatever government spending exceeds military, I guess those would qualify as "socialist".

So I guess we need to specify definitions.
.

None of those countries practice socialism.

They think they do. Unbelievable brain wash with you people.

Socialism is where the government controls the means of production. They can think all they want but what they implement is big social programs paid for by capitalism. People like yourself aren't brainwashed, just plain ignorant.

So you think that we don't notice you guys screaming SOCIALISM whenever more government is advocated or utilized. As it is in those countries.

Go ahead and list the countries that you think are ACTUALLY socialist. We'll agree, they're lousy.

The rest, the social democratic countries listed above, are ACTUALLY the goal. Not Venezuela.

You guys just refuse to acknowledge that.

62	Democratic Republic of Congo	49.5	-0.8		172	Kiribati	45.2	-2.1
163	Suriname	49.5	+1.4		173	Sudan	45.0	-2.7
164	Iran	49.2	-1.9		174	Zimbabwe	43.1	+2.7
165	Liberia	49.0	-0.7		175	Bolivia	42.8	+0.5
166	Burundi	49.0	+0.1		176	Republic of Congo	41.8	+2.1
167	Equatorial Guinea	48.3	+7.3		177	Eritrea	38.5	-0.4
168	Sierra Leone	48.0	+0.5		178	Cuba	26.9	-0.9
169	Algeria	46.9	+0.7		179	Venezuela	25.2	-0.7
170	Turkmenistan	46.5	-1.9		180	North Korea	4.2	-1.7
171	Timor-Leste	45.9	+1.7

Great. Shit holes, no one wants to be like that.

The countries that I listed are what the Democratic Socialism folks are after.

I'm glad we have this all straightened out now.

You mean they are after capitalism with welfare programs?

Yes. Pretty much like what we have, just some more. That's not the socialism of Venezuela.

Now you guys no longer have to be confused. Cool!

I agree, but those countries are not Democratic Socialist countries either. Democratic Socialism is still socialism and is not practiced ANYWHERE on Earth. Democratic Socialism just has a better sounding name. Same result.

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Well, you're making your own definitions.

The point is that the Democratic Socialists are after the countries I listed. That's what they're after. Not Venezuela. It couldn't be more clear.

Democratic Commies may want the RESULTS of those 10 countries, but they will not get it, being commies (socialists) and all.

Again, none of those countries are socialist or democratic socialist.

They are capitalist nations with socialist health care and a large welfare support system that WE THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA fund because WE spend a FUCKING SHIT TON providing for their defense.

I want them to pay for it. For the last 50+ years. With 30% compounding interest.

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Stop helping people! Ridiculous of course. Should be cut 10% immediately.