Show Me the Country Where The MAGA/Conservative Government Works. I Dare You.

[Meister]

citygator isn't sane, his bigotry is crazy

He hates the US....he is a socialist at the least, and probably easy to groom
to become a communist.

 

[citygator]

Democrats attract illegal immigrants, rapists child abusers, killers drug dealers, child traffickers, gangs terrorists and all the wonderful members of the progressive utopia.
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Yawn. Start your own xenophobic racist thread. This one is about governing principles. I noticed you havent shown us an effective right wing government.

 

[citygator]

He hates the US....he is a socialist at the least, and probably easy to groom
to become a communist.

I am a C-suite executive for a multibillion corporation. I make all my money from capitalism. I am a big big fan of it. I have an MBA from a top 5 public school studying business. Like I said. I am a big fan. No interest in that nonsense you listed.

I also believe in higher taxes on the wealthy and stronger welfare needs meeting programs, particularly healthcare, daycare, and education. We do a good job addressing food insecurity.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Yawn. Start your own xenophobic racist thread. This one is about governing principles. I noticed you havent shown us an effective right wing government.

And you haven't shown us an effective government period per metrics we agree upon.

 

[HikerGuy83]

I am a C-suite executive for a multibillion corporation. I make all my money from capitalism.

 

[Nostra]

Nope. You aren’t. You don’t know enough about here and all you do is insult. Eastern Europe troll.

Delusional simp.

Keep hating America, your Cult is counting on you.

 

[HikerGuy83]

He hates the US....he is a socialist at the least, and probably easy to groom
to become a communist.

I would not go that far.

citygator claims to be a bigwig and a data guy, but he's shown little capability in the area of data.

He's delusional. He also seems to have a disdain for anyone who calls themselves "conservative".

Conservative can mean a great many things. It's not monolithic by any stretch. But it makes an easy target.

Many on the right that I know knew that Trump would wear out his welcome. And he is. So there is still opportunity.

Had Harris been elected, gatobrain would NEVER get anywhere close to what he wants.

The good side the systems he identifies starts with the personal strength of the people who live in those countries.

We are missing that. We've become weak and dependent.

Trump will go and hopefully we'll have a chance to make some choices.

But if both sides continue to act like they are the winning side, we'll only continue to screw ourselves and the rising generation.

This thread is a classic example of trying to sell people an Edsel while calling it a Lamborghini.

 

[Nostra]

Yawn. Start your own xenophobic racist thread. This one is about governing principles. I noticed you havent shown us an effective right wing government.

USA

 

[SweetTea]

The red states have way worse metrics than blue states.

In many cases that is true, however, you fail to recognize that Democrats are generally the takers in red states. The Democrats in my state, in general, earn far less than Republicans and are more dependent, thus bring the entire state down.

Those that are doing well have a similar model which has high taxes and high welfare support.

The US is the predominate economic power in the world and it isn't even close. I pointed out to you earlier that disposable income in the US per capita is second in the world across the upper, middle and lower classes. Despite what you have likely been spoon fed, the US is the absolute pinnacle of economic success and we are not a Social Democracy.

There are no working examples of libertarian or right wing governing that is producing good outcomes and that isnt an accident. They dont work.

You mean except for in the US?

The data are clear: strong U.S. economies attract more immigrants; weak economies attract fewer. Immigration is an effect — not a cause — of economic performance.

Ergo when the economy is strong we don't need immigrants to mooch off our strong economy. When our economy is weak, they don't want to come here because they may not get jobs and may not get all the freebees.

I am a C-suite executive for a multibillion corporation. I make all my money from capitalism. I am a big big fan of it. I have an MBA from a top 5 public school studying business. Like I said. I am a big fan. No interest in that nonsense you listed.

I also believe in higher taxes on the wealthy and stronger welfare needs meeting programs, particularly healthcare, daycare, and education. We do a good job addressing food insecurity.

It seems as though your top 5 public school education has fully indoctrinated you into believing that your success is not at all attributable to the US system, which has many right-wing policies in place. You have succeeded and for some reason believe that you can still have your success and everyone else can too if we just just give them more free stuff.

Higher taxes, more welfare, "free" healthcare, daycare and education is not a recipe for success for people like yourself or for the country as a whole. One would think you would have figured this out by now, but some never grow out of their teenage, Pollyanna, utopian mindset.

 

[Slyhunter]

Move all Democrats to NY and California.

Problem solved.

Anyone remember Plinskin?

 

[HikerGuy83]

In many cases that is true, however, you fail to recognize that Democrats are generally the takers in red states.

Those are the statistics I have not seen but which we need.

The southern states used to be "blue" states (according the definition I am aware of). They have a high propensity of poverty.

I would be curious to see if anything has changed in that regard.

This, again, highlites the fact that citygator's OP is bullshit. There are so many devils in the details.

I live in a red area of a red state. It's loaded with money. Waaayyyyy to much in my estimation. People are stuck on themselves and focused on what they think is "the good life". It's only getting redder. The area used to be sagebrush. It formed when people fled the diversity of a changing city (we moved back here having been gone for a while).

 

[Dorian Mode]

Had Harris been elected, gatobrain would NEVER get anywhere close to what he wants.
...

This thread is a classic example of trying to sell people an Edsel while calling it a Lamborghini.

Most people have realized that the current democrap party only cares about controlling the narratives and providing the optics of a great party, but the truth is they are the establishment party and all their real effort gets put into making the establishment happy. Everything else is just political theater to keep the rest of the base from abandoning them. They are all talk and no action when it comes to the people. That is why the people are abandoning the democrap party and the GOP is the only real alternative. The truth is, both parties have to balance their effort to the establishment and all its money, and the people with their votes. The democraps think they can please the establishment and con the people into voting for them. They haven't yet realized it's not working.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Most people have realized that the current democrap party only cares about controlling the narratives and providing the optics of a great party, but the truth is they are the establishment party and all their real effort gets put into making the establishment happy. Everything else is just political theater to keep the rest of the base from abandoning them. They are all talk and no action when it comes to the people. That is why the people are abandoning the democrap party and the GOP is the only real alternative. The truth is, both parties have to balance their effort to the establishment and all its money, and the people with their votes. The democraps think they can please the establishment and con the people into voting for them. They haven't yet realized it's not working.

It's an unfortunate fact of life. We don't have the "freshness" of the 1800's.

We also have turned our backs on the Almighty.

We are headed the way of Europe and I don't find that attractive at all.

 

[HikerGuy83]

In many cases that is true, however, you fail to recognize that Democrats are generally the takers in red states. The Democrats in my state, in general, earn far less than Republicans and are more dependent, thus bring the entire state down.



The US is the predominate economic power in the world and it isn't even close. I pointed out to you earlier that disposable income in the US per capita is second in the world across the upper, middle and lower classes. Despite what you have likely been spoon fed, the US is the absolute pinnacle of economic success and we are not a Social Democracy.



You mean except for in the US?



Ergo when the economy is strong we don't need immigrants to mooch off our strong economy. When our economy is weak, they don't want to come here because they may not get jobs and may not get all the freebees.



It seems as though your top 5 public school education has fully indoctrinated you into believing that your success is not at all attributable to the US system, which has many right-wing policies in place. You have succeeded and for some reason believe that you can still have your success and everyone else can too if we just just give them more free stuff.

Higher taxes, more welfare, "free" healthcare, daycare and education is not a recipe for success for people like yourself or for the country as a whole. One would think you would have figured this out by now, but some never grow out of their teenage, Pollyanna, utopian mindset.

I agree with 90% of your post.

I do believe we don't have the social fabric we need to succeed as a country anymore.

That is the primary focus of my life.

 

[citygator]

USA

The U.S. trails top-performing nations in health, safety, education, inequality, longevity, child welfare, median wealth, happiness, trust, and social mobility - nearly every core quality-of-life metric except innovation, wealthy billionaires, and GDP size.

We are leaving a large portion of America behind in bad outcomes. There is a much better way and that is by giving more benefits to being a member of the society and less to the few at the top.

Feel free to lay out your argument for the US. I'd love to hear it.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Feel free to lay out your argument for the US. I'd love to hear it.

Already have.

Not taking any more time with your bullshit premise.

You don't tend to hear anything that isn't sucking up to your foolish POV.

I know, I know........"I've got the statistics". Shove them up your ass.

 

[Dorian Mode]

The U.S. trails top-performing nations in health, safety, education, inequality, longevity, child welfare, median wealth, happiness, trust, and social mobility - nearly every core quality-of-life metric except innovation, wealthy billionaires, and GDP size.

We are leaving a large portion of America behind in bad outcomes. There is a much better way and that is by giving more benefits to being a member of the society and less to the few at the top.

Feel free to lay out your argument for the US. I'd love to hear it.

The problem is you think that is just because of the republicans and Trump. The problem is that there is a political establishment where Big Money rubs elbows with ALL politicians and the greedy politicians make sure that establishment is happy. What you democraps fail to grasp is that the democrap party went too far in support of the establishment and tried to cover it up with political theater, Identity Politics, propaganda, and a captured MSM. The people caught on. You should pressure your politicians to become more anti-corruption than the GOP and then the GOP will have to become more anti-corruption than the democraps, and soon all the effort going to pleasing the Big Money/Donor Class starts making its way to better social programs. We can afford UHC or a happy establishment. It's your choice.

 

[citygator]

In many cases that is true, however, you fail to recognize that Democrats are generally the takers in red states. The Democrats in my state, in general, earn far less than Republicans and are more dependent, thus bring the entire state down.

Listen. A lot of democrats live in the wealthiest states. Few democrats live in the poorest states. The correlation is that more democrats means more wealth even if the wealthy are conservative.

The US is the predominate economic power in the world and it isn't even close. I pointed out to you earlier that disposable income in the US per capita is second in the world across the upper, middle and lower classes. Despite what you have likely been spoon fed, the US is the absolute pinnacle of economic success and we are not a Social Democracy.

I corrected your disposable income misinformation.

The data you looked at is Household disposable income which shows: Average (mean) equivalized disposable income

It does NOT show median disposable income. This is the #1 source of confusion for you guys.

Because the U.S. has: extremely high top incomes, very high inequality, lots of millionaire & billionaire households…it pulls the average up, even though the median household is far worse off than in many European nations.

When you use the correct median dataset:

Median disposable income (PPP-adjusted) is higher in:

• Switzerland
• Luxembourg
• Norway
• Denmark
• Netherlands
• Iceland
• Australia
• Austria
• Belgium
• Germany
• Canada
• Ireland
  …and several others

The U.S. is not #1. It is in the mid-upper group, not near the top.

This shows the difference in the median and the mean:

You mean except for in the US?



Ergo when the economy is strong we don't need immigrants to mooch off our strong economy. When our economy is weak, they don't want to come here because they may not get jobs and may not get all the freebees.

Yawn. You generate no GDP so you have shit to mooch off of. Enjoying my social security payments to you?

It seems as though your top 5 public school education has fully indoctrinated you into believing that your success is not at all attributable to the US system, which has many right-wing policies in place. You have succeeded and for some reason believe that you can still have your success and everyone else can too if we just just give them more free stuff.

Higher taxes, more welfare, "free" healthcare, daycare and education is not a recipe for success for people like yourself or for the country as a whole. One would think you would have figured this out by now, but some never grow out of their teenage, Pollyanna, utopian mindset.

Nothing but insults.

 

[citygator]

I agree with 90% of your post.

I do believe we don't have the social fabric we need to succeed as a country anymore.

That is the primary focus of my life.

That is old fart talk. How old are you? Hilarious. "We have trouble right here in River City".

 

[Nostra]

The U.S. trails top-performing nations in health, safety, education, inequality, longevity, child welfare, median wealth, happiness, trust, and social mobility - nearly every core quality-of-life metric except innovation, wealthy billionaires, and GDP size.

We are leaving a large portion of America behind in bad outcomes. There is a much better way and that is by giving more benefits to being a member of the society and less to the few at the top.

Feel free to lay out your argument for the US. I'd love to hear it.

Already did, Short Bus.

You wanna know which country works?

Look at the number of immigrants coming into it.

#1? United States of America.

Not even close. The USA had 52 million in 2024.

Next closest country had 16 million.


Sorry to destroy your latest America hating thread citygator