Watch this... Hey libs, do you have any examples of successful socialist countries? List them.

[imawhosure]

Well, I would think the bottom line for "success" would be the happiness of its citizens, so let's see what this survey says: Visit the Top 10 Happiest Countries in the World

1. Denmark
2. Switzerland
3. Iceland
4. Norway
5. Finland
6. Canada
7. The Netherlands
8. New Zealand
9. Australia
10. Sweden

And since it appears that "socialism" is whatever government spending exceeds military, I guess those would qualify as "socialist".

So I guess we need to specify definitions.
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Lol

Good mac, thank you for playing.

What do you notice about those countries? Notice anything? What?

Well, I would think the bottom line for "success" would be the happiness of its citizens, so let's see what this survey says: Visit the Top 10 Happiest Countries in the World

1. Denmark
2. Switzerland
3. Iceland
4. Norway
5. Finland
6. Canada
7. The Netherlands
8. New Zealand
9. Australia
10. Sweden

And since it appears that "socialism" is whatever government spending exceeds military, I guess those would qualify as "socialist".

So I guess we need to specify definitions.
.

Lol

Good mac, thank you for playing.

What do you notice about those countries? Notice anything? What?

An overwhelming percentage of the citizens of each country I listed have spleens.

Now. Perhaps you can make a point.
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Mac, those aren't Socialist countries, those are welfare states.

A Socialist country is one that owns/controls the means of production, and controls/dictates the price of goods through mandate.

Well, that's why I ask for definitions.

The term "socialist" is thrown around by the Right like the term "racist" is thrown around by the Left, and therefore seems to have little specific meaning.
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Yeah, I understand the confusion. And even with that definition, I am not sure that is the way the OP would define it. So I guess we should wait to see the parameters he is shooting for, but then; a definition does not a thread make unless accurate.

EXAMPLE--------> List the 10 best cars of all time, and someone tries to insinuate that Harley Davidson motorcycles fit the bill and should be included.

 

[gipper]

Can you name a nation that is socialist, as you define the term?

Sure.

China.

Have a nice day.

Okay. You finally answered a question put to you. Congrats!

Let's see if you can do it again.

Do you believe the government of China is something to admire and emulate?

Nope. Nothing to admire.

You've really upped your game here. So crafty.

But you are confused. The government of China is a fascist disctatorship. The economy is socialist.

Do you understand the difference.

If not, why not? Stupid?

Okay...you really don't know anything about China. Clearly.

Their economy is NOT socialist. Their government is. There is a difference, but you have to have a smidgen of intelligence to know this.

Are you trying to tell me that socialism is a form of government?

I think I love you. Someone as stupid as you must be loved.

As socialism has been practiced in the past, it is always imposed via government power and coercion. Right?

 

[LoneLaugher]

Sure.

China.

Have a nice day.

Okay. You finally answered a question put to you. Congrats!

Let's see if you can do it again.

Do you believe the government of China is something to admire and emulate?

Nope. Nothing to admire.

You've really upped your game here. So crafty.

But you are confused. The government of China is a fascist disctatorship. The economy is socialist.

Do you understand the difference.

If not, why not? Stupid?

Okay...you really don't know anything about China. Clearly.

Their economy is NOT socialist. Their government is. There is a difference, but you have to have a smidgen of intelligence to know this.

Are you trying to tell me that socialism is a form of government?

I think I love you. Someone as stupid as you must be loved.

As socialism has been practiced in the past, it is always imposed via government power and coercion. Right?

You are so averse to admitting when you are wrong that you will make attempt after attempt to move the goalposts.

Socialism is an economic theory which can be practiced in a state with any form of government.

What you and I dislike most about China is it's lack of democracy. Same goes for Saudi Arabia and Russia. Three different economic systems.

Now. Please save us the trouble and claim victory now. You know you want to.

 

[gipper]

Okay. You finally answered a question put to you. Congrats!

Let's see if you can do it again.

Do you believe the government of China is something to admire and emulate?

Nope. Nothing to admire.

You've really upped your game here. So crafty.

But you are confused. The government of China is a fascist disctatorship. The economy is socialist.

Do you understand the difference.

If not, why not? Stupid?

Okay...you really don't know anything about China. Clearly.

Their economy is NOT socialist. Their government is. There is a difference, but you have to have a smidgen of intelligence to know this.

Are you trying to tell me that socialism is a form of government?

I think I love you. Someone as stupid as you must be loved.

As socialism has been practiced in the past, it is always imposed via government power and coercion. Right?

You are so averse to admitting when you are wrong that you will make attempt after attempt to move the goalposts.

Socialism is an economic theory which can be practiced in a state with any form of government.

What you and I dislike most about China is it's lack of democracy. Same goes for Saudi Arabia and Russia. Three different economic systems.

Now. Please save us the trouble and claim victory now. You know you want to.

I agree with that. Thank you.

However, you stated the Chinese economy is socialist. It is not.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Nope. Nothing to admire.

You've really upped your game here. So crafty.

But you are confused. The government of China is a fascist disctatorship. The economy is socialist.

Do you understand the difference.

If not, why not? Stupid?

Okay...you really don't know anything about China. Clearly.

Their economy is NOT socialist. Their government is. There is a difference, but you have to have a smidgen of intelligence to know this.

Are you trying to tell me that socialism is a form of government?

I think I love you. Someone as stupid as you must be loved.

As socialism has been practiced in the past, it is always imposed via government power and coercion. Right?

You are so averse to admitting when you are wrong that you will make attempt after attempt to move the goalposts.

Socialism is an economic theory which can be practiced in a state with any form of government.

What you and I dislike most about China is it's lack of democracy. Same goes for Saudi Arabia and Russia. Three different economic systems.

Now. Please save us the trouble and claim victory now. You know you want to.

I agree with that. Thank you.

However, you stated the Chinese economy is socialist. It is not.

Oh boy! He's unable to admit his mistake.

Ya hear that everyone? China does not have a socialist economy. Gipper said it. Take it to the bank.

 

[gipper]

Okay...you really don't know anything about China. Clearly.

Their economy is NOT socialist. Their government is. There is a difference, but you have to have a smidgen of intelligence to know this.

Are you trying to tell me that socialism is a form of government?

I think I love you. Someone as stupid as you must be loved.

As socialism has been practiced in the past, it is always imposed via government power and coercion. Right?

You are so averse to admitting when you are wrong that you will make attempt after attempt to move the goalposts.

Socialism is an economic theory which can be practiced in a state with any form of government.

What you and I dislike most about China is it's lack of democracy. Same goes for Saudi Arabia and Russia. Three different economic systems.

Now. Please save us the trouble and claim victory now. You know you want to.

I agree with that. Thank you.

However, you stated the Chinese economy is socialist. It is not.

Oh boy! He's unable to admit his mistake.

Ya hear that everyone? China does not have a socialist economy. Gipper said it. Take it to the bank.

Oh my, you poor thing.

China's economy is about as socialist as is the US economy.

You might want to look up the definition of socialism, prior to posting.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Are you trying to tell me that socialism is a form of government?

I think I love you. Someone as stupid as you must be loved.

As socialism has been practiced in the past, it is always imposed via government power and coercion. Right?

You are so averse to admitting when you are wrong that you will make attempt after attempt to move the goalposts.

Socialism is an economic theory which can be practiced in a state with any form of government.

What you and I dislike most about China is it's lack of democracy. Same goes for Saudi Arabia and Russia. Three different economic systems.

Now. Please save us the trouble and claim victory now. You know you want to.

I agree with that. Thank you.

However, you stated the Chinese economy is socialist. It is not.

Oh boy! He's unable to admit his mistake.

Ya hear that everyone? China does not have a socialist economy. Gipper said it. Take it to the bank.

Oh my, you poor thing.

China's economy is about as socialist as is the US economy.

You might want to look up the definition of socialism, prior to posting.

Ya hear that? The guy says that the economies of China and the US are equally socialist.

Awesome insight.

 

[gipper]

As socialism has been practiced in the past, it is always imposed via government power and coercion. Right?

You are so averse to admitting when you are wrong that you will make attempt after attempt to move the goalposts.

Socialism is an economic theory which can be practiced in a state with any form of government.

What you and I dislike most about China is it's lack of democracy. Same goes for Saudi Arabia and Russia. Three different economic systems.

Now. Please save us the trouble and claim victory now. You know you want to.

I agree with that. Thank you.

However, you stated the Chinese economy is socialist. It is not.

Oh boy! He's unable to admit his mistake.

Ya hear that everyone? China does not have a socialist economy. Gipper said it. Take it to the bank.

Oh my, you poor thing.

China's economy is about as socialist as is the US economy.

You might want to look up the definition of socialism, prior to posting.

Ya hear that? The guy says that the economies of China and the US are equally socialist.

Awesome insight.

See? This is what you think debating is. You make silly pronouncements that are entirely meaningless and mostly ignorant.

Why do you do that?

 

[Mac1958]

Was the point of this thread ever made clear?

 

[gipper]

Was the point of this thread ever made clear?

I don't think so. Could you please clear it up for us?

 

[Mac1958]

Was the point of this thread ever made clear?

I don't think so. Could you please clear it up for us?

I asked the OP, and he hasn't yet responded.
.

 

[LoneLaugher]

You are so averse to admitting when you are wrong that you will make attempt after attempt to move the goalposts.

Socialism is an economic theory which can be practiced in a state with any form of government.

What you and I dislike most about China is it's lack of democracy. Same goes for Saudi Arabia and Russia. Three different economic systems.

Now. Please save us the trouble and claim victory now. You know you want to.

I agree with that. Thank you.

However, you stated the Chinese economy is socialist. It is not.

Oh boy! He's unable to admit his mistake.

Ya hear that everyone? China does not have a socialist economy. Gipper said it. Take it to the bank.

Oh my, you poor thing.

China's economy is about as socialist as is the US economy.

You might want to look up the definition of socialism, prior to posting.

Ya hear that? The guy says that the economies of China and the US are equally socialist.

Awesome insight.

See? This is what you think debating is. You make silly pronouncements that are entirely meaningless and mostly ignorant.

Why do you do that?

Dude. You said that China and the US are equally socialist. Why should I do anything but laugh in your face after that?

You know that China has a powerful economy. But you believe that socialism always fails. Therefore, China cannot be socialist. No way! The fact that the state owns the means of producing oil and steel and runs the banks and media companies means nothing here. That's NOT socialist! It can't be!

It's the kind of thinking that gets toddlers put into time out. Pig-headed. Stubborn. Foolish.

 

[LoneLaugher]

The point of the thread is that it is the OP's second attempt to build this strawman and tear it down in the past few days.

 

[gipper]

I agree with that. Thank you.

However, you stated the Chinese economy is socialist. It is not.

Oh boy! He's unable to admit his mistake.

Ya hear that everyone? China does not have a socialist economy. Gipper said it. Take it to the bank.

Oh my, you poor thing.

China's economy is about as socialist as is the US economy.

You might want to look up the definition of socialism, prior to posting.

Ya hear that? The guy says that the economies of China and the US are equally socialist.

Awesome insight.

See? This is what you think debating is. You make silly pronouncements that are entirely meaningless and mostly ignorant.

Why do you do that?

Dude. You said that China and the US are equally socialist. Why should I do anything but laugh in your face after that?

You know that China has a powerful economy. But you believe that socialism always fails. Therefore, China cannot be socialist. No way! The fact that the state owns the means of producing oil and steel and runs the banks and media companies means nothing here. That's NOT socialist! It can't be!

It's the kind of thinking that gets toddlers put into time out. Pig-headed. Stubborn. Foolish.

You clearly can't read and comprehend. My words were:

China's economy is about as socialist as is the US economy.

Now read your ignorant post in response, and please tell me how it differs from mine?

 

[LoneLaugher]

Oh boy! He's unable to admit his mistake.

Ya hear that everyone? China does not have a socialist economy. Gipper said it. Take it to the bank.

Oh my, you poor thing.

China's economy is about as socialist as is the US economy.

You might want to look up the definition of socialism, prior to posting.

Ya hear that? The guy says that the economies of China and the US are equally socialist.

Awesome insight.

See? This is what you think debating is. You make silly pronouncements that are entirely meaningless and mostly ignorant.

Why do you do that?

Dude. You said that China and the US are equally socialist. Why should I do anything but laugh in your face after that?

You know that China has a powerful economy. But you believe that socialism always fails. Therefore, China cannot be socialist. No way! The fact that the state owns the means of producing oil and steel and runs the banks and media companies means nothing here. That's NOT socialist! It can't be!

It's the kind of thinking that gets toddlers put into time out. Pig-headed. Stubborn. Foolish.

You clearly can't read and comprehend. My words were:

China's economy is about as socialist as is the US economy.

Now read your ignorant post in response, and please tell me how it differs from mine?

You are flailing. It's embarrassing.

 

[playtime]

Well, I would think the bottom line for "success" would be the happiness of its citizens, so let's see what this survey says: Visit the Top 10 Happiest Countries in the World

1. Denmark
2. Switzerland
3. Iceland
4. Norway
5. Finland
6. Canada
7. The Netherlands
8. New Zealand
9. Australia
10. Sweden

And since it appears that "socialism" is whatever government spending exceeds military, I guess those would qualify as "socialist".

So I guess we need to specify definitions.
.

Lol

Good mac, thank you for playing.

What do you notice about those countries? Notice anything? What?

Well, I would think the bottom line for "success" would be the happiness of its citizens, so let's see what this survey says: Visit the Top 10 Happiest Countries in the World

1. Denmark
2. Switzerland
3. Iceland
4. Norway
5. Finland
6. Canada
7. The Netherlands
8. New Zealand
9. Australia
10. Sweden

And since it appears that "socialism" is whatever government spending exceeds military, I guess those would qualify as "socialist".

So I guess we need to specify definitions.
.

Lol

Good mac, thank you for playing.

What do you notice about those countries? Notice anything? What?

An overwhelming percentage of the citizens of each country I listed have spleens.

Now. Perhaps you can make a point.
.

Mac, those aren't Socialist countries, those are welfare states.

A Socialist country is one that owns/controls the means of production, and controls/dictates the price of goods through mandate.

socialism vs. social democracy


In the many years since socialism entered English around 1830, it has acquired several different meanings. It refers to a system of social organization in which private property and the distribution of income are subject to social control, but the conception of that control has varied, and the term has been interpreted in widely diverging ways, ranging from statist to libertarian, from Marxist to liberal. In the modern era, "pure" socialism has been seen only rarely and usually briefly in a few Communist regimes. Far more common are systems of social democracy, now often referred to as democratic socialism, in which extensive state regulation, with limited state ownership, has been employed by democratically elected governments (as in Sweden and Denmark) in the belief that it produces a fair distribution of income without impairing economic growth.

Definition of SOCIALISM

 

[cnm]

A Socialist country is one that owns/controls the means of production, and controls/dictates the price of goods through mandate.

What dictionary did you find that in?

 

[Theowl32]

Weird, how people dont know the point of my thread.

Weird.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Go ahead, we are interested in hearing these wonderful successes.

Please, list the countries.

Go ahead, we are interested in hearing these wonderful successes.

Please, list the countries.

List the countries you define as socialist.

 

[Eric Cartman]

Go ahead, we are interested in hearing these wonderful successes.

Please, list the countries.

All of the worlds most successful countries have some degree of socialism. Socialism and capitalism are academic terms and there have never been any examples of a pure form of either.