Watch for a shift in the narrative.

[berg80]

We all remember how Repubs were all about fending off a recession while Dubya was still prez. They helped pass TARP, which authorized $700B for the purchased of distressed assets to prop up the financial system. They also helped pass what was essentially phase 1 of the auto company bailout. Bush announces $17.4 billion auto bailout

Then came Obama's landslide election and suddenly Repubs became quite concerned about the size of the budget deficits. They would spend years sabotaging the recovery under the guise of that mantra.

With another Repub in the Oval Office at a time of great economic strain congressional Repubs have had no qualms with spending trillions of dollars to boost the economy in order to enhance Big Fat Don's chances of re-election. Budget deficits be damned.

However, they are beginning to understand the political cost of the nation's debt expanding so massively while a (R) is prez. After all, they have pretended for years to care about deficits and have duped their constituency in to believing they are fiscal conservatives (nothing could be further from the truth).

Enter one of the most conniving, deceitful politicians to ever disgrace the Senate chamber. Someone who sees the potential danger to the fortunes of Repubs over all the spending. What's a cretin to do?

McConnell Calls General Relief for States ‘Blue State Bailouts’

Bush announces $17.4 billion auto bailout

The terms of the loans require that the firms radically restructure and show they can become profitable soon.

www.politico.com

"Right now state and local governments are dealing with most of the front-line responsibilities for battling coronavirus at a time when the economic collapse is destroying their revenue bases; unlike the feds, they can’t just print money, and most toil under balanced-budget requirements. So they could use some no-strings help, but the party of Richard Nixon is hostile to the idea, even though Republicans completely control 21 states and share power in 14 others.

Democrats had to champion aid to state and local coronavirus efforts as part of the big $2.2 trillion coronavirus stimulus bill enacted nearly a month ago, and were able to secure $150 billion. With governors of both parties calling for $500 billion for states alone prior to passage of the “interim” stimulus bill that has passed the Senate and is pending in the House, Democrats went to the well again, but only got permission for states to use money unobligated from the first pot of money for general fiscal purposes. Donald Trump tweeted support for doing something for the “lost revenues” the states have experienced in the next stimulus bill — which is presumably the final one, at least before the election. But now Mitch McConnell is pumping the brakes, and complaining about the profligate states and how they don’t deserve help:"
...............................................................................................................................................................
Leave it to a piece of slime like McTreason to wordsmith the ubiquitous need on the part of all states who have seen their revenue base markedly decline by trying to define it as a "blue state" problem. Repubs and right wing media have already worked exhaustively to deflect blame away from Trump for his failed response to the virus. Now McTurtle is ready to pitch in by putting blame on blue states for a crisis not of their making.

 

[Mac1958]

We all remember how Repubs were all about fending off a recession while Dubya was still prez. They helped pass TARP, which authorized $700B for the purchased of distressed assets to prop up the financial system. They also helped pass what was essentially phase 1 of the auto company bailout. Bush announces $17.4 billion auto bailout

Then came Obama's landslide election and suddenly Repubs became quite concerned about the size of the budget deficits. They would spend years sabotaging the recovery under the guise of that mantra.

With another Repub in the Oval Office at a time of great economic strain congressional Repubs have had no qualms with spending trillions of dollars to boost the economy in order to enhance Big Fat Don's chances of re-election. Budget deficits be damned.

However, they are beginning to understand the political cost of the nation's debt expanding so massively while a (R) is prez. After all, they have pretended for years to care about deficits and have duped their constituency in to believing they are fiscal conservatives (nothing could be further from the truth).

Enter one of the most conniving, deceitful politicians to ever disgrace the Senate chamber. Someone who sees the potential danger to the fortunes of Repubs over all the spending. What's a cretin to do?

McConnell Calls General Relief for States ‘Blue State Bailouts’

Bush announces $17.4 billion auto bailout

The terms of the loans require that the firms radically restructure and show they can become profitable soon.

www.politico.com

"Right now state and local governments are dealing with most of the front-line responsibilities for battling coronavirus at a time when the economic collapse is destroying their revenue bases; unlike the feds, they can’t just print money, and most toil under balanced-budget requirements. So they could use some no-strings help, but the party of Richard Nixon is hostile to the idea, even though Republicans completely control 21 states and share power in 14 others.

Democrats had to champion aid to state and local coronavirus efforts as part of the big $2.2 trillion coronavirus stimulus bill enacted nearly a month ago, and were able to secure $150 billion. With governors of both parties calling for $500 billion for states alone prior to passage of the “interim” stimulus bill that has passed the Senate and is pending in the House, Democrats went to the well again, but only got permission for states to use money unobligated from the first pot of money for general fiscal purposes. Donald Trump tweeted support for doing something for the “lost revenues” the states have experienced in the next stimulus bill — which is presumably the final one, at least before the election. But now Mitch McConnell is pumping the brakes, and complaining about the profligate states and how they don’t deserve help:"
...............................................................................................................................................................
Leave it to a piece of slime like McTreason to wordsmith the ubiquitous need on the part of all states who have seen their revenue base markedly decline by trying to define it as a "blue state" problem. Repubs and right wing media have already worked exhaustively to deflect blame away from Trump for his failed response to the virus. Now McTurtle is ready to pitch in by putting blame on blue states for a crisis not of their making.

This is what happens when you constrict yourself to a simplistic, binary partisan ideology.

These Reaganite wannabes have been cheering Trump on while he's exploded spending since DAY ONE, long before the virus.

A cautionary tale: Don't get sucked into an ideology.

 

[SweetSue92]

It's really rich to watch you SCREECH at everybody about endless quarantines and then come here screeching about state bailouts

 

[SweetSue92]

We all remember how Repubs were all about fending off a recession while Dubya was still prez. They helped pass TARP, which authorized $700B for the purchased of distressed assets to prop up the financial system. They also helped pass what was essentially phase 1 of the auto company bailout. Bush announces $17.4 billion auto bailout

Then came Obama's landslide election and suddenly Repubs became quite concerned about the size of the budget deficits. They would spend years sabotaging the recovery under the guise of that mantra.

With another Repub in the Oval Office at a time of great economic strain congressional Repubs have had no qualms with spending trillions of dollars to boost the economy in order to enhance Big Fat Don's chances of re-election. Budget deficits be damned.

However, they are beginning to understand the political cost of the nation's debt expanding so massively while a (R) is prez. After all, they have pretended for years to care about deficits and have duped their constituency in to believing they are fiscal conservatives (nothing could be further from the truth).

Enter one of the most conniving, deceitful politicians to ever disgrace the Senate chamber. Someone who sees the potential danger to the fortunes of Repubs over all the spending. What's a cretin to do?

McConnell Calls General Relief for States ‘Blue State Bailouts’

Bush announces $17.4 billion auto bailout

The terms of the loans require that the firms radically restructure and show they can become profitable soon.

www.politico.com

"Right now state and local governments are dealing with most of the front-line responsibilities for battling coronavirus at a time when the economic collapse is destroying their revenue bases; unlike the feds, they can’t just print money, and most toil under balanced-budget requirements. So they could use some no-strings help, but the party of Richard Nixon is hostile to the idea, even though Republicans completely control 21 states and share power in 14 others.

Democrats had to champion aid to state and local coronavirus efforts as part of the big $2.2 trillion coronavirus stimulus bill enacted nearly a month ago, and were able to secure $150 billion. With governors of both parties calling for $500 billion for states alone prior to passage of the “interim” stimulus bill that has passed the Senate and is pending in the House, Democrats went to the well again, but only got permission for states to use money unobligated from the first pot of money for general fiscal purposes. Donald Trump tweeted support for doing something for the “lost revenues” the states have experienced in the next stimulus bill — which is presumably the final one, at least before the election. But now Mitch McConnell is pumping the brakes, and complaining about the profligate states and how they don’t deserve help:"
...............................................................................................................................................................
Leave it to a piece of slime like McTreason to wordsmith the ubiquitous need on the part of all states who have seen their revenue base markedly decline by trying to define it as a "blue state" problem. Repubs and right wing media have already worked exhaustively to deflect blame away from Trump for his failed response to the virus. Now McTurtle is ready to pitch in by putting blame on blue states for a crisis not of their making.

This is what happens when you constrict yourself to a simplistic, binary partisan ideology.

These Reaganite wannabes have been cheering Trump on while he's exploded spending since DAY ONE, long before the virus.

A cautionary tale: Don't get sucked into an ideology.

You're just so above it all Mac, we know, we know

 

[Maxdeath]

Funny that you tend to give the other side a pass. Let me see how much pork did Pelosi try to put into the CARES legislation?
Oh that's right a lot of green new deal. It is not just one side there Berger boy.

 

[Mac-7]

We all remember how Repubs were all about fending off a recession while Dubya was still prez. They helped pass TARP, which authorized $700B for the purchased of distressed assets to prop up the financial system. They also helped pass what was essentially phase 1 of the auto company bailout. Bush announces $17.4 billion auto bailout

Then came Obama's landslide election and suddenly Repubs became quite concerned about the size of the budget deficits. They would spend years sabotaging the recovery under the guise of that mantra.

With another Repub in the Oval Office at a time of great economic strain congressional Repubs have had no qualms with spending trillions of dollars to boost the economy in order to enhance Big Fat Don's chances of re-election. Budget deficits be damned.

However, they are beginning to understand the political cost of the nation's debt expanding so massively while a (R) is prez. After all, they have pretended for years to care about deficits and have duped their constituency in to believing they are fiscal conservatives (nothing could be further from the truth).

Enter one of the most conniving, deceitful politicians to ever disgrace the Senate chamber. Someone who sees the potential danger to the fortunes of Repubs over all the spending. What's a cretin to do?

McConnell Calls General Relief for States ‘Blue State Bailouts’

Bush announces $17.4 billion auto bailout

The terms of the loans require that the firms radically restructure and show they can become profitable soon.

www.politico.com

"Right now state and local governments are dealing with most of the front-line responsibilities for battling coronavirus at a time when the economic collapse is destroying their revenue bases; unlike the feds, they can’t just print money, and most toil under balanced-budget requirements. So they could use some no-strings help, but the party of Richard Nixon is hostile to the idea, even though Republicans completely control 21 states and share power in 14 others.

Democrats had to champion aid to state and local coronavirus efforts as part of the big $2.2 trillion coronavirus stimulus bill enacted nearly a month ago, and were able to secure $150 billion. With governors of both parties calling for $500 billion for states alone prior to passage of the “interim” stimulus bill that has passed the Senate and is pending in the House, Democrats went to the well again, but only got permission for states to use money unobligated from the first pot of money for general fiscal purposes. Donald Trump tweeted support for doing something for the “lost revenues” the states have experienced in the next stimulus bill — which is presumably the final one, at least before the election. But now Mitch McConnell is pumping the brakes, and complaining about the profligate states and how they don’t deserve help:"
...............................................................................................................................................................
Leave it to a piece of slime like McTreason to wordsmith the ubiquitous need on the part of all states who have seen their revenue base markedly decline by trying to define it as a "blue state" problem. Repubs and right wing media have already worked exhaustively to deflect blame away from Trump for his failed response to the virus. Now McTurtle is ready to pitch in by putting blame on blue states for a crisis not of their making.

Who wrote this far left opinion piece that you cut and pasted?

 

[LordBrownTrout]

States shouldnt be getting free money bailouts either based on the irresponsible decisions made in years prior.

 

[berg80]

It's really rich to watch you SCREECH at everybody about endless quarantines and then come here screeching about state bailouts

Not surprisingly, you missed the point of the OP.

BTW, no one is advocating for "endless" quarantines. What is being advocated are quarantines that last long enough so re-opening the economy doesn't cause another spike in infections, forcing us to shut things down again which would be even more disastrous.

 

[berg80]

Who wrote this far left opinion piece that you cut and pasted?

If you have something to refute regarding the factual content of the article, please proceed. Otherwise, STFU.

 

[Jitss617]

We all remember how Repubs were all about fending off a recession while Dubya was still prez. They helped pass TARP, which authorized $700B for the purchased of distressed assets to prop up the financial system. They also helped pass what was essentially phase 1 of the auto company bailout. Bush announces $17.4 billion auto bailout

Then came Obama's landslide election and suddenly Repubs became quite concerned about the size of the budget deficits. They would spend years sabotaging the recovery under the guise of that mantra.

With another Repub in the Oval Office at a time of great economic strain congressional Repubs have had no qualms with spending trillions of dollars to boost the economy in order to enhance Big Fat Don's chances of re-election. Budget deficits be damned.

However, they are beginning to understand the political cost of the nation's debt expanding so massively while a (R) is prez. After all, they have pretended for years to care about deficits and have duped their constituency in to believing they are fiscal conservatives (nothing could be further from the truth).

Enter one of the most conniving, deceitful politicians to ever disgrace the Senate chamber. Someone who sees the potential danger to the fortunes of Repubs over all the spending. What's a cretin to do?

McConnell Calls General Relief for States ‘Blue State Bailouts’

Bush announces $17.4 billion auto bailout

The terms of the loans require that the firms radically restructure and show they can become profitable soon.

www.politico.com

"Right now state and local governments are dealing with most of the front-line responsibilities for battling coronavirus at a time when the economic collapse is destroying their revenue bases; unlike the feds, they can’t just print money, and most toil under balanced-budget requirements. So they could use some no-strings help, but the party of Richard Nixon is hostile to the idea, even though Republicans completely control 21 states and share power in 14 others.

Democrats had to champion aid to state and local coronavirus efforts as part of the big $2.2 trillion coronavirus stimulus bill enacted nearly a month ago, and were able to secure $150 billion. With governors of both parties calling for $500 billion for states alone prior to passage of the “interim” stimulus bill that has passed the Senate and is pending in the House, Democrats went to the well again, but only got permission for states to use money unobligated from the first pot of money for general fiscal purposes. Donald Trump tweeted support for doing something for the “lost revenues” the states have experienced in the next stimulus bill — which is presumably the final one, at least before the election. But now Mitch McConnell is pumping the brakes, and complaining about the profligate states and how they don’t deserve help:"
...............................................................................................................................................................
Leave it to a piece of slime like McTreason to wordsmith the ubiquitous need on the part of all states who have seen their revenue base markedly decline by trying to define it as a "blue state" problem. Repubs and right wing media have already worked exhaustively to deflect blame away from Trump for his failed response to the virus. Now McTurtle is ready to pitch in by putting blame on blue states for a crisis not of their making.

We told all voters don’t vote for failed democrats.. you all don’t listen

 

[SweetSue92]

It's really rich to watch you SCREECH at everybody about endless quarantines and then come here screeching about state bailouts

Not surprisingly, you missed the point of the OP.

BTW, no one is advocating for "endless" quarantines. What is being advocated are quarantines that last long enough so re-opening the economy doesn't cause another spike in infections, forcing us to shut things down again which would be even more disastrous.

It's too late, loser.

Too late. WE remember, you can't backpedal now. We remember.

 

[berg80]

One of the more salient points...............

"McConnell’s remarks should mostly be understood as an ideological signal that any further federal aid for states and localities will be narrowly conditioned and vetted to ensure it does no particular favors to Democratic elected officials or to the employees that Democrats often defend."

 

[berg80]

Too late. WE remember, you can't backpedal now. We remember.

Perhaps you'd like to be a little less cryptic and explain yourself.

 

[DGS49]

Overspending is not a partisan thing. It is a political thing, and at the level of government where it is possible to "print money," it is uncontrollable. Politicians who perceive that they can curry favor with voters by spending THEIR money will do so. Period. Democrats are worse, but Republicans not much better.

There is no discretion in the decision to spend massive amounts of money to try to save this economy. It is imperative. The questions are mainly about how to distribute the money that is seeding the economy, and those questions have partisan answers.

I don't know whether it is ignorance or vileness that causes the bizarre sniping about Our Beloved President's supposed self-dealing here. HIS BUSINESSES ARE SUFFERING. His personal net worth is dropping by millions of dollars per month - probably tens of millions. And NOTHING that is done will bring them back to "normal" in his lifetime. What the fuck do you want?

As for the Feds bailing out the states? Have Leftists lost all touch with Constitutional reality? The Feds are NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE FINANCIAL WELLBEING OF THE STATES. Period. They are required by law and by their own Constitutions to run a balanced budget, and to take care of themselves. And who could fail to note that it is the DEMOCRAT-CONTROLLED STATES that are the most financially fucked up?

I would go to war before accepting a Federal bailout of California. Or Illinois. Or New York, Massachusetts, Maryland, or Washington state. Fuck you all, very much.

 

[easyt65]

'WATCH FOR A SHIFT IN THE NARRATIVE'

YOU MEAN LIKE THESE:

DEMOCRATS:
'COVID-19 is not a threat. Don't listen to the President. Go about your daily lives. Continue to group in large numbers, ride the subway, come to Chinatown, enjoy life...'

DEMOCRATS / BIDEN RESPONDING TO TRUMP'S CHIINA TRAVEL BAN:
'We are putting together legislation to 'STOP' / PREVENT the Travel Ban

'We don't have time for xenophobic policies and fear-mongering....'

'Calling COVID-19 the 'China Virus' is racist'.


NARRATIVE SHIFT:

DEMOCRATS / LIBERAL MEDIA:
President Trump (not us) downplayed the seriousness / threat of the virus - he did NOTHING'

President Trump activated the CDC, stood up the Virus task Force, declared a national Emergency, & imposed the travel ban Democrats opposed.


NARRATIVE SHIFT:

BIDEN / DEMOCRATS:
'The Travel Ban was the Right Thing to do.'

DEMOCRATS:
'We would have put the travel ban in place sooner...'


Bwuhahahahaha.........

 

[easyt65]

Overspending is not a partisan thing. It is a political thing...

Attempting to pack legitimate COVID-19 Relief bills with Liberal Wish List Spending items like funding for abortion, for the Kennedy Center / Harvard (using Small Business earmarked cash), and for the 'War on Cow Farts' Green New Deal while attempting to attack the President by blaming him for all the deficit spending is EXTREMELY partisan.

 

[berg80]

Don't listen to the President.

That's the best advice you've ever given. Cuz......you know..........liar.

“Have you been briefed by the CDC?” Kernen asked.

“I have,” Trump replied.

Kernen then asked: “Are there worries about a pandemic at this point?”

Trump said: “No. Not at all.”

“And, we’re, we have it totally under control,” Trump said.

“It’s one person coming in from China, and we have it under control. It’s going to be just fine.”

 

[SweetSue92]

Too late. WE remember, you can't backpedal now. We remember.

Perhaps you'd like to be a little less cryptic and explain yourself.

Oh sure. Posts where you berated people for protesting the Endless Quarantine. Now that the tables are turning, you want us to forget:

Your first amendment rights vs someone elses safety is a bogus argument

Just a quick thought...It makes you wonder about the reserves and national guard. Is the training set up with 50 different rule books? Anyway, good points by the OP. For once. No. The Reserves is part of the Army (USAR). The National Gaurd receives their training from the Army...they go...

www.usmessageboard.com

We can't afford to get it wrong..........again.

CNN has repeated lie after lie. The carnage they predicted from COVID 19 hasn't been anywhere near close. But..........that's a lie. What is fair to say is they likely reported on models predicting a higher case and death count if mitigation practices like social distancing were not complied...

www.usmessageboard.com

Leaked CDC and FEMA plan warns of ‘significant risk of resurgence of the virus’ with phased reopening

This is the opposite of what we need to have happen in order to re-open parts of the economy. IOW, the Trump admin is shooting its own efforts with regard to the economy in the foot by virtue of their incompetence. Coronavirus testing hits dramatic slowdown in U.S...

www.usmessageboard.com

 

[berg80]

Attempting to pack legitimate COVID-19 Relief bills with Liberal Wish List Spending items like funding for abortion

I'm disappointed to see you resort to that erroneous, debunked talking point once again...............but not surprised.

 

[berg80]

Posts where you berated people for protesting the Endless Quarantine.

Again, not endless. Being forced to lie to defend yourself is never a good sign for the legitimacy of the point you are failing to make.