Was Ukraine a threat to Russia before start of Russian military operation?

[AntonToo]

It was well known and reported long before this war

It was never "known" or reported that Azovs have any control over Zelensky's administration.

 

[gipper]

It was never reported that Azovs have any control over Zelensky's administration.

Even dumb Don is smarter than you.

 

[gipper]

Thats a joke. You can't even name one high level politician to be Nazi.

Doesn’t matter.

 

[AntonToo]

Even dumb Don is smarter than you.

What did I tell you about quoting me without addressing anything I've said?

Concentrate and put togather some sort of coherent argument. Double dare you.

 

[AntonToo]

Doesn’t matter.

Of course inconvinient facts don't matter to you, if they did you wouldn't be posting your half-baked bullshit.

There is no reason to think there are any Nazis in Zelensky's administration or congress and there is no reason to take seriously your tales about a handfull of country-side grunts having any actual political power.

 

[gipper]

What did I tell you about quoting me without addressing anything I've said?

Concentrate and put togather some sort of coherent argument. Double dare you.

JFK is exponentially smarter than you.

 

[gipper]

Of course inconvinient facts don't matter to you, if they did you wouldn't be posting your half-baked bullshit.

Do you really think in a military dictatorship, where the military is full of Nazis, the military has no power?

 

[para bellum]

Why did the west stop the peace talks in April?

It's not up to the west. You have this idea that Russia should negotiate with the "west", and we should then pressure Ukraine to surrender. And oh by the way, the land is not negotiable in these co called "negotiations", and Russia gets a veto on who can or can't join NATO...

Yeah sure. Fuck that. Putin started this war, Putin can end it any time he wants to.

But he can't do that now can he? He boxed himself in with his sham referendums. He told the Russian people that those lands are forever part of Russia now. No one from the west is going to negotiate away Ukraine's sovereignty or internationally recognized borders just to appease Putin.

And if Ukraine wants to defend their country, we are free to help them- just as anyone can help Russia if they want. Like Iran and Belarus are doing right now. If Ukraine wants to negotiate, they will let us know.

 

[AntonToo]

Do you really think in a military dictatorship, where the military is full of Nazis, the military has no power?

Millitary full of Nazis? Where did you get such stupid nonsense?

Azov battalion was ~1000 men, 20% of who self-identified as Nazis. So thats 200 out of 200,000 Ukranian forces.

There is ZERO evidence Zelensky is not the real leader of Ukraine and a Commander-in-Chief of his armed forces.

 

[AntonToo]

Russia gets a veto on who can or can't join NATO...

No it doesn't, it's not part of NATO.

It's part of United Nations.

 

[gipper]

Millitary full of Nazis? Where did you get such stupid nonsense?

Azov battalion was ~1000 men, 20% of who self-identified as Nazis. So thats 200 out of 200,000 Ukranian forces.

There is ZERO evidence Zelensky is not the real leader of Ukraine and a Commander-in-Chief of his armed forces.

Read the links I sent you. Don’t be dumb FOREVER!

 

[gipper]

It's not up to the west. You have this idea that Russia should negotiate with the "west", and we should then pressure Ukraine to surrender. And oh by the way, the land is not negotiable in these co called "negotiations", and Russia gets a veto on who can or can't join NATO...

Yeah sure. Fuck that. Putin started this war, Putin can end it any time he wants to.

But he can't do that now can he? He boxed himself in with his sham referendums. He told the Russian people that those lands are forever part of Russia now. No one from the west is going to negotiate away Ukraine's sovereignty or internationally recognized borders just to appease Putin.

And if Ukraine wants to defend their country, we are free to help them- just as anyone can help Russia if they want. Like Iran and Belarus are doing right now. If Ukraine wants to negotiate, they will let us know.

Why would the west prevent peace in Ukraine?

 

[para bellum]

No it doesn't, it's not part of NATO.

It's part of United Nations.

That is one of Russia's demands. He wants a guarantee that Ukraine will never be part of Russia, and that NATO remove all bases from members who joined the alliance after 1991, and a guarantee from NATO not to admit any more former WarPac countries. IOW, he is demanding a veto right on NATO membership.

I didn't say it was justified. It's obviously not for Russia to dictate what alliances a sovereign nation makes or doesn't make, or what NATO members do or don't do.

The idea that Putin can negotiate Ukraine's future with the west, and rely on us to coerce Ukraine to give up territory is a non-starter, as are any demands relating to NATO membership.

Ukraine has internationally recognized borders, and that is what the vast majority of nations recognize as Ukraine's sovereign territory. Putin cannot backtrack and give up the annexed land- he has promised the Russian people that those areas are part of Russia forever.

The International community cannot and will not recognize the annexed land as Russian territory. Impasse, no negotiations are possible.

 

[para bellum]

Why would the west prevent peace in Ukraine?

Stop lying. The west was not given a vote.

Putin made the decision to go to war, and Ukraine chose to fight back. The west came to Ukraine's aid after they defeated the Russian army in the Battle of Kiev.

Your definition of "preventing peace" is nothing more than the west should have rejected Ukraine's pleas for help. Peace is not what you want- you want submission.

 

[AntonToo]

That is one of Russia's demands. He wants a guarantee that Ukraine will never be part of Russia, and that NATO remove all bases from members who joined the alliance after 1991

Well we'll see what their demands are after they get knocked the f out of Ukraine.

 

[AntonToo]

The idea that Putin can negotiate Ukraine's future with the west, and rely on us to coerce Ukraine to give up territory is a non-starter, as are any demands relating to NATO membership.

I think there is a reasonable chance NATO would push Ukraine to give up Crimea if Russia agrees to give up it's other demands and withdraws from the east.

 

[gipper]

Stop lying. The west was not given a vote.

Putin made the decision to go to war, and Ukraine chose to fight back. The west came to Ukraine's aid after they defeated the Russian army in the Battle of Kiev.

Your definition of "preventing peace" is nothing more than the west should have rejected Ukraine's pleas for help. Peace is not what you want- you want submission.

You’re not informed. Get informed before posting.

 

[gipper]

I think there is a reasonable chance NATO would push Ukraine to give up Crimea if Russia agrees to give up it's other demands and withdraws from the east.

It’s falling apart for you warmongering baby killers.

 

[AntonToo]

It’s falling apart for you warmongering baby killers.

How many decades have you been running with that bullshit line for?

Don't lie now.

 

[gipper]

How many decades have you been running with that bs for? Don't lie now.

It’s coming apart. Warmonger! Down with Ukraine!