Was the Columbus, OH., police officer justified shooting the knife wielding girl? (poll)

[OKTexas]

Anyone but especially police can use deadly force to protect themselves and others from immanent bodily harm or death. This particular office had less than 10 seconds to assess the situation and act. What he saw was a large individual wheedling a butcher knife attacking two individuals. What would you have done in that situation?

The contrarian cranks offer no answers. Did you ever think you would see the day where shooting someone
about to drive a knife through a helpless victim would be controversial?

A percentage of the country is out of their minds. We must insure that percentage remains small.

I never thought the day would come when stabbing an innocent person was acceptable and not to be stopped.

No stabbing occurred and none was likely to occur if police had not arrived either.
Nor is shooting a teen 4 times with hollow point .40S&W the best way to stop it.

It sure seemed to work.

If police become more of a danger than do good, then one could used self defense when shooting a cop whenever you encounter one.
So for their own sake, it is better if police shoot at little as possible.
In fact, I think the old way it was 100 years ago, where there essentially were no police and armed neighbors took care of everything, likely was the best way.
Police are not working out.
They never can because they are not from the neighborhood and never know what is going on.
They are way to quick to shoot.
And 4 times?
Hollow point .40S&W?
That is just way over kill.

There's no such thing as overkill. You need to stop basing your opinion on movies.

Of course there is such a thing as over kill.
For example, you don't shoot a shoplifter running away.
You sometimes shoot a knife wielder, but usually it is not necessary.
And even if you do have to shoot, 1 shot is clearly more than enough.
Less lethal force would have been better, but the only reason a gun is excusable at all is that something like a taser might have taken too long to prepare.
But 4 shots is way more than sufficient.
That shows a deliberate intent to kill instead of defend.
It is rare and unlikely that knives are fatal, and there is no indication this had any real intent to harm.
Otherwise the knife deaths would have occurred before the police arrived 15 minutes after being called.

Tell that to the 1500 people that are killed with knives every year.

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[westwall]

Anyone but especially police can use deadly force to protect themselves and others from immanent bodily harm or death. This particular office had less than 10 seconds to assess the situation and act. What he saw was a large individual wheedling a butcher knife attacking two individuals. What would you have done in that situation?

The contrarian cranks offer no answers. Did you ever think you would see the day where shooting someone
about to drive a knife through a helpless victim would be controversial?

A percentage of the country is out of their minds. We must insure that percentage remains small.

I never thought the day would come when stabbing an innocent person was acceptable and not to be stopped.

No stabbing occurred and none was likely to occur if police had not arrived either.
Nor is shooting a teen 4 times with hollow point .40S&W the best way to stop it.

It sure seemed to work.

If police become more of a danger than do good, then one could used self defense when shooting a cop whenever you encounter one.
So for their own sake, it is better if police shoot at little as possible.
In fact, I think the old way it was 100 years ago, where there essentially were no police and armed neighbors took care of everything, likely was the best way.
Police are not working out.
They never can because they are not from the neighborhood and never know what is going on.
They are way to quick to shoot.
And 4 times?
Hollow point .40S&W?
That is just way over kill.

There's no such thing as overkill. You need to stop basing your opinion on movies.

Of course there is such a thing as over kill.
For example, you don't shoot a shoplifter running away.
You sometimes shoot a knife wielder, but usually it is not necessary.
And even if you do have to shoot, 1 shot is clearly more than enough.
Less lethal force would have been better, but the only reason a gun is excusable at all is that something like a taser might have taken too long to prepare.
But 4 shots is way more than sufficient.
That shows a deliberate intent to kill instead of defend.
It is rare and unlikely that knives are fatal, and there is no indication this had any real intent to harm.
Otherwise the knife deaths would have occurred before the police arrived 15 minutes after being called.

No, there isn't. Once something is dead, you can't kill it again. If you don't shoot a person attacking you with a knife, then you deserve the very painful death you will suffer, because that is the inaction of an idiot. And no, one shot is clearly not enough. There are reams of paper devoted to case after case where bad guys were shot repeatedly and continued to fight on. You know NOTHING of the subject so until you get at least a passing knowledge of the subject not entirely based on the movies I suggest you just keep quiet until you do.

 

[westwall]

What could the police officer have done to save the life or lives of all concerned?
1. Approached the scene with 'his' hands in the air?

2. Pleaded with the child wielding the knife to reconsider?

3. Fired a shot into the ground or in the air? (result questionable?)

4. Possessed an attitude of caring for the value of human lives.

5. And beyond his control, not having to enter a potential crime scene in which outcome is so very much determined in America to result in death.

6. This conversation could become productive and meaningful if others could start to imagine how police murder can be reduced to proportions that are normal for the rest of the modern world.

Not so easy for people within a country that is on a mad rush toward fascism. But nevertheless, there is still 5% or so that have got the question right!

Police action at a crime scene or potential crime scene that results in death or deaths, is police failure.

As the knife is descending.

You're a moron.

The officer had 9 seconds. He did the right thing.

Are you saying he could not have done something better, especially if he had more time?
Like not firing 4 shots?

And by the way, the knife was not descending, but a right to left round house swing.

Nice selective picture presentation. Here's the one that matters. No wonder you didn't post it, it makes you a liar.

Hello liar

 

[Nostra]

Anyone but especially police can use deadly force to protect themselves and others from immanent bodily harm or death. This particular office had less than 10 seconds to assess the situation and act. What he saw was a large individual wheedling a butcher knife attacking two individuals. What would you have done in that situation?

The contrarian cranks offer no answers. Did you ever think you would see the day where shooting someone
about to drive a knife through a helpless victim would be controversial?

A percentage of the country is out of their minds. We must insure that percentage remains small.

I never thought the day would come when stabbing an innocent person was acceptable and not to be stopped.

No stabbing occurred and none was likely to occur if police had not arrived either.
Nor is shooting a teen 4 times with hollow point .40S&W the best way to stop it.

It sure seemed to work.

If police become more of a danger than do good, then one could used self defense when shooting a cop whenever you encounter one.
So for their own sake, it is better if police shoot at little as possible.
In fact, I think the old way it was 100 years ago, where there essentially were no police and armed neighbors took care of everything, likely was the best way.
Police are not working out.
They never can because they are not from the neighborhood and never know what is going on.
They are way to quick to shoot.
And 4 times?
Hollow point .40S&W?
That is just way over kill.

Overkill? When a cop has to fire he does so to kill. Every time.

Stabbing the fuck out of someone while a cop has a gun pointed at you and is telling you to drop the knife sometimes results in you being shot the fuck out of.

Occupational hazard of being a thug.

 

[ColonelAngus]

Its stupid to stab someone with a cop right there.

 

[Kondor3]

Amost certainly NO.

A more proficient police officer would have been able to remedy the situation so that it didn't result in death.

Death was the outcome and that can never be seen as a successful handling of the situation.

Once again it simply boils down to bad policing that's due to a lack of police concern for black lives.

It would be a near certainty that had the knife wielder been a white child and the intended victim a black child, the outcome would have been different and more desirable.

Americans can't understand this and so the fight to reform their police will be long, which will most likely result in police pushing the envelope on their right to kill to even greater heights.

Nonsense.

The officer was 30 feet away.

The knife was already headed towards the target.

The object of the exercise was to stop an innocent from being killed... not to be gentle with the killer-in-tne-making.

There wasn't time to convene a meeting of Woke Snowflakes to debate and obtain consensus about the best non-lethal way to proceed in the next 1.25 seconds.

It was a Righteous Shoot.

 

[Donald H]

It was a Righteous Shoot.

They're alll good shoots. 95% agree.

 

[Kondor3]

It was a Righteous Shoot.

They're alll good shoots. 95% agree.

No... they're NOT all Righteous Shoots... but THIS one was.

 

[SavannahMann]

Yes. And No. I know. It is I the cop hater. At least that is what the replies from certain people will claim.

Yes. Shooting a weapon wielding individual is justified to save life.

The problem is totality of the situation. Nobody was hearing the commands of the cop. He wasn’t the loudest voice there. The fighting girls didn’t even see him. Not because they were black. Nor because they were girls.

The term is situational awareness. It takes training to avoid the normal human tendency to focus on one thing. The tunnel vision. A vast majority of you will never have experienced it. But with training you can avoid that deadly mistake.

The girls fighting were seeing nothing but their enemies. Totally normal human reaction. They were not hearing anything. Much less the sounds of the cop shouting.

This is where you need something to startle them. Something to get their attention. A shot into the grass as one example. I watched the video once. My mind screamed fire a shot into the ground. It will startle the girls out of the tunnel.

When the cop fired. At that moment he had a choice. Let another person get stabbed. Wounded. Possibly killed. Or shoot.

I don’t find fault with the shooting at the time it happened. But here again is where my often advocated position comes in. A study into the totality of events. Alternatives that can be thought of. Alternatives that may be available to the next cop in the next situation. Alternatives that may save a life later. And there are always alternatives. There are always lessons to be learned.

The biggest thing is think. It is hard to think in a stressful situation. The ability to do so is invaluable. This is where training comes in. Teaching people to think when the stress is on. Teaching them to avoid that tunnel vision.

The more you know. The better you are. We should milk incidents like this for every ounce of information.

It was a justified shooting IMO. It was still regrettable. And I would like to think of ways to avoid it if possible next time. I don’t want to see anyone die. Cop or civilian. If it can possibly be avoided.

You know why you don't fire into the ground? One word: ricochet.

Also, startling someone who's already swinging a knife at someone is an excellent way to make them lurch forward and CONTINUE THE SWING. Ever hear of momentum? Ever get startled by a loud, unexpected sound behind you? Did you freeze, or did you jump? Moron.

Maybe YOU should try thinking before flapping your gob about things you clearly know nothing about.

You convinced me. The shooting was absolutely not justified. Try and convict him for murder.

Awww, is your feewings hurt? I guess you showed me by your vicious decision to "think" something at me. I am cut to the quick by your incisive willingness to hold opinions based on whether or not someone is nice to you about your ignorance, rather than based on facts.

Actually, I'd be really glad that I upset you with my utter lack of respect for you as a sentient being . . . if it wasn't for the fact that I don't respect you enough to give a shit either way.

Oh god no. What happened is again a Rabid Right Wing idiot spoke up. Want to know why Chauvin was convicted. Idiots like you who opposed every change. No matter how minor.

Idiots like you who oppose any reform insured that the cops would not lead the effort like they should have. No. No changes. So instead the cops are being fired and charged with crimes and sent to prison. The changes came no matter how much morons like you opposed them. Now. The changes are resulting in cops going to prison.

So for twenty years I’ve argued for common sense reforms. For that long I’ve written letters and talked to people. Those common sense reforms are about to appear in the rear view mirror. Radical changes are coming. And more cops are going to prison.

It isn’t my fault. It’s yours that the thin blue line wants their members to go to prison. It isn’t BLM or Antifa. It’s you blistering idiots on the right who act like the smallest change to anything is right out of the communist playbook.

So fuck them. Let the cops go to jail and prison. It don’t affect me. I live way out in the country. Let you and the rest of the Suburbanites find yourselves overwhelmed by your own hatred. First you’ll blame the blacks. Then you’ll blame the brown. The Jews. And before long you’ll be drawing up lines based on religious affiliation. You idiots with tiny minds always do.

Next it is Kyle Rittenhouse who is headed to Prison. After him the McMichaels. And it is the fault of idiots just like you.

Chauvin was railroaded by an angry black mob. No one is swallowing this horseshit that the whiteman is responsible.

Chauvin was convicted by the thin blue line. Let me explain.

For two decades people have been raising issue with cops who are given passes for bad behavior. Anyone who mentioned reform of the protections enjoyed by cops was labeled as anti police and pro crime. The issue was worse than social security. Just to mention reform was political death.

Police intimidate and are hostile to people making complaints. The cops are caught in lies and nothing happens to them.

Supervisors swept the bad behavior under the rug. There are hundreds of videos of police reacting with hostility when someone tries to file a complaint. Yet Chauvin got 18 of them.

The defenders like yourself who object to repeal of the Law Enforcement Officers Bill of Rights are partly to blame. Criminal conduct in many of those cases can’t be prosecuted if it is handled as an internal employment issue.

It isn’t the Blacks driving this. It is YouTube. Video after video of police abuse and brutality. Video after video of cops going way over the line has eroded not only the trust of LEO’s but the willingness of the public to accept the isolated incident excuse.

Maryland was the first state to pass the LEOBR. And this year they were the first to repeal it. How long before all of them follow?

Yeah. It was you guys supporting the cops who kept real reform from stopping Chauvin from developing a pattern of abusive and brutal behavior. It isn’t BLM. It isn’t ANTIFA. It was the stubborn idiocy of the I support the cops who prevented the reform.

Now that reform is rolling over the cops. Sending cops like Chauvin, Slager, and many others are rotting in the harsh and vindictive prisons you say is good enough for criminals.

That’s fine with me. Another couple hundred cops get convicted, and another few dozen multimillion lawsuit settlements and the changes will be forced on the cops.

Here is the rest of my prediction from nearly twenty years ago. Those changes that are forced on the cops will result in more dead cops. Instead of leading on the issue the cops counted on strong support. From idiots like you. More dead cops. And that is on you. More cops in prison. Also on you and your white wing conservatives.

 

[westwall]

It was a Righteous Shoot.

They're alll good shoots. 95% agree.

You know you're stupid when a person ON YOUR SIDE, says you're full of shit.

 

[ChemEngineer]

rigby5, on my ignore list, wrote this, which I only could read by clicking on a response to rigby5's stupidity:

It is rare and unlikely that knives are fatal, and there is no indication this had any real intent to harm.

----------------------

Blacks always attack with knives when they have NO REAL INTENT TO HARM!

It simply does not get any more stupid and racist than rigby5 displays.

The woke people need to be woken up and smell the reality in our country. They need to be woken up to the fact that they’ve been brainwashed by fascist with communist propaganda. What’s it going to take to wake up the woke? Moreover, what’s it going to take to cancel the cancel culture and their propaganda media which has done this to them?

 

[kyzr]

I fully understand that my replies here don't speak to the question posed by the OP.

They are my attempt to speak above and beyond the question. Perhaps this can explain why there's so much extremist frothing at the mouth by 93% of Americans?

Police action at a crime scene or potential crime scene that results in death or deaths, is police failure.

Your posts are garbage. They are words with no proof. They are your opinion, nothing more.
We have laws and policies that govern police responsibilities.
If you disagree with them, so what? Be happy in Canada, eh?

 

[bripat9643]

Yes. And No. I know. It is I the cop hater. At least that is what the replies from certain people will claim.

Yes. Shooting a weapon wielding individual is justified to save life.

The problem is totality of the situation. Nobody was hearing the commands of the cop. He wasn’t the loudest voice there. The fighting girls didn’t even see him. Not because they were black. Nor because they were girls.

The term is situational awareness. It takes training to avoid the normal human tendency to focus on one thing. The tunnel vision. A vast majority of you will never have experienced it. But with training you can avoid that deadly mistake.

The girls fighting were seeing nothing but their enemies. Totally normal human reaction. They were not hearing anything. Much less the sounds of the cop shouting.

This is where you need something to startle them. Something to get their attention. A shot into the grass as one example. I watched the video once. My mind screamed fire a shot into the ground. It will startle the girls out of the tunnel.

When the cop fired. At that moment he had a choice. Let another person get stabbed. Wounded. Possibly killed. Or shoot.

I don’t find fault with the shooting at the time it happened. But here again is where my often advocated position comes in. A study into the totality of events. Alternatives that can be thought of. Alternatives that may be available to the next cop in the next situation. Alternatives that may save a life later. And there are always alternatives. There are always lessons to be learned.

The biggest thing is think. It is hard to think in a stressful situation. The ability to do so is invaluable. This is where training comes in. Teaching people to think when the stress is on. Teaching them to avoid that tunnel vision.

The more you know. The better you are. We should milk incidents like this for every ounce of information.

It was a justified shooting IMO. It was still regrettable. And I would like to think of ways to avoid it if possible next time. I don’t want to see anyone die. Cop or civilian. If it can possibly be avoided.

You know why you don't fire into the ground? One word: ricochet.

Also, startling someone who's already swinging a knife at someone is an excellent way to make them lurch forward and CONTINUE THE SWING. Ever hear of momentum? Ever get startled by a loud, unexpected sound behind you? Did you freeze, or did you jump? Moron.

Maybe YOU should try thinking before flapping your gob about things you clearly know nothing about.

You convinced me. The shooting was absolutely not justified. Try and convict him for murder.

Awww, is your feewings hurt? I guess you showed me by your vicious decision to "think" something at me. I am cut to the quick by your incisive willingness to hold opinions based on whether or not someone is nice to you about your ignorance, rather than based on facts.

Actually, I'd be really glad that I upset you with my utter lack of respect for you as a sentient being . . . if it wasn't for the fact that I don't respect you enough to give a shit either way.

Oh god no. What happened is again a Rabid Right Wing idiot spoke up. Want to know why Chauvin was convicted. Idiots like you who opposed every change. No matter how minor.

Idiots like you who oppose any reform insured that the cops would not lead the effort like they should have. No. No changes. So instead the cops are being fired and charged with crimes and sent to prison. The changes came no matter how much morons like you opposed them. Now. The changes are resulting in cops going to prison.

So for twenty years I’ve argued for common sense reforms. For that long I’ve written letters and talked to people. Those common sense reforms are about to appear in the rear view mirror. Radical changes are coming. And more cops are going to prison.

It isn’t my fault. It’s yours that the thin blue line wants their members to go to prison. It isn’t BLM or Antifa. It’s you blistering idiots on the right who act like the smallest change to anything is right out of the communist playbook.

So fuck them. Let the cops go to jail and prison. It don’t affect me. I live way out in the country. Let you and the rest of the Suburbanites find yourselves overwhelmed by your own hatred. First you’ll blame the blacks. Then you’ll blame the brown. The Jews. And before long you’ll be drawing up lines based on religious affiliation. You idiots with tiny minds always do.

Next it is Kyle Rittenhouse who is headed to Prison. After him the McMichaels. And it is the fault of idiots just like you.

Chauvin was railroaded by an angry black mob. No one is swallowing this horseshit that the whiteman is responsible.

Chauvin was convicted by the thin blue line. Let me explain.

For two decades people have been raising issue with cops who are given passes for bad behavior. Anyone who mentioned reform of the protections enjoyed by cops was labeled as anti police and pro crime. The issue was worse than social security. Just to mention reform was political death.

Police intimidate and are hostile to people making complaints. The cops are caught in lies and nothing happens to them.

Supervisors swept the bad behavior under the rug. There are hundreds of videos of police reacting with hostility when someone tries to file a complaint. Yet Chauvin got 18 of them.

The defenders like yourself who object to repeal of the Law Enforcement Officers Bill of Rights are partly to blame. Criminal conduct in many of those cases can’t be prosecuted if it is handled as an internal employment issue.

It isn’t the Blacks driving this. It is YouTube. Video after video of police abuse and brutality. Video after video of cops going way over the line has eroded not only the trust of LEO’s but the willingness of the public to accept the isolated incident excuse.

Maryland was the first state to pass the LEOBR. And this year they were the first to repeal it. How long before all of them follow?

Yeah. It was you guys supporting the cops who kept real reform from stopping Chauvin from developing a pattern of abusive and brutal behavior. It isn’t BLM. It isn’t ANTIFA. It was the stubborn idiocy of the I support the cops who prevented the reform.

Now that reform is rolling over the cops. Sending cops like Chauvin, Slager, and many others are rotting in the harsh and vindictive prisons you say is good enough for criminals.

That’s fine with me. Another couple hundred cops get convicted, and another few dozen multimillion lawsuit settlements and the changes will be forced on the cops.

Here is the rest of my prediction from nearly twenty years ago. Those changes that are forced on the cops will result in more dead cops. Instead of leading on the issue the cops counted on strong support. From idiots like you. More dead cops. And that is on you. More cops in prison. Also on you and your white wing conservatives.

Total fucking lies.

 

[Care4all]

The only thing I have a problem with is always, no matter the reason, shooting to kill....why can't cops be trained to shoot to maime in certain cases like with an attacker yielding a knife?

Actually, police are trained to aim for center mass. I don't believe they are shooting to kill, they are shooting to stop the target. Center mass being the place where a lot of vital organs are located.

You'd really have a hard time trying to shoot to maim. Trying to shoot for the legs or arms is difficult. You'd end up missing a lot of shots.

I'm sure those with more knowledge will correct me, but I'm thinking this is accurate.

He shot her FOUR TIMES, center mass. 4 shots...not 1 or even twice, or even thrice, but 4 shots?? Why was that necessary?

I don't know. That will be answered in the coming weeks.

I don't necessarily want him to get in trouble....he likely was following procedure or training...

But it is something that should be discussed, out in the open, imo. Is this what we want our law enforcement to continue to do? Is there a way to make it better, so cops are still safe, and fewer perps are killed before their trial and convictions? Is their training the right training, making a traffic ticket, or warrant being served or 20 $ counterfeit used, or a knife wielding person vs a gun pointing at you person, all the same....shoot to kill????

That's just hard to stomach for me......

I don't know. He had seconds to read the situation and a split second to make a decision.

Again, officers are not trying to shoot to kill, they are shooting to stop. That's why you don't see head shots from police. One, because it's harder to hit and also, their goal is not to kill, but to stop the threat.

I know, you are right, it was fast, seconds at most.... hindsight is 20/20 as the saying goes...

I just can't stand to see a person killed, even a bad guy.... and especially a good cop killed.

But it still seems different than most policing, say... 40 to 50 years ago....seemed like, or at least the way cops were portrayed, that they were more willing to put some muscle in to the job, vs just pulling a trigger....

Of course, there was no cell phone video at everyone's finger tips back then, and I could have been living in a fairy tale LaLa land....

 

[badbob85037]

IMHO there is no justification for the police to allow anyone to murder an unarmed person.
The girl with the knife is attempting to murder an unarmed girl, totally unacceptable.
Anyone who blames the cop for anything other than doing his job "protecting" the unarmed girl is a racist gaslighting POS.

Police release body cam footage in fatal shooting of teenage girl in Ohio

The victim has been identified as 16-year-old Ma'Khia Bryant.

www.cbsnews.com

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The Biden admin just can't stop blaming cops instead of blaming criminals!? The GOP has lots of ammo for 2022 and 2024.

Of course not She was Black and to stupid to be blamed for her action. Every cop with in 5 miles of the shooting should be hung along with their first born. Also a 'Loot Till Ya Poop week smash, grab, beat, and burn sale should be mandatory for all small business owners.

 

[badbob85037]

Amost certainly NO.

A more proficient police officer would have been able to remedy the situation so that it didn't result in death.

Death was the outcome and that can never be seen as a successful handling of the situation.

Once again it simply boils down to bad policing that's due to a lack of police concern for black lives.

It would be a near certainty that had the knife wielder been a white child and the intended victim a black child, the outcome would have been different and more desirable.

Americans can't understand this and so the fight to reform their police will be long, which will most likely result in police pushing the envelope on their right to kill to even greater heights.

You a vip member with that type of mindless stupidity?

 

[SavannahMann]

Yes. And No. I know. It is I the cop hater. At least that is what the replies from certain people will claim.

Yes. Shooting a weapon wielding individual is justified to save life.

The problem is totality of the situation. Nobody was hearing the commands of the cop. He wasn’t the loudest voice there. The fighting girls didn’t even see him. Not because they were black. Nor because they were girls.

The term is situational awareness. It takes training to avoid the normal human tendency to focus on one thing. The tunnel vision. A vast majority of you will never have experienced it. But with training you can avoid that deadly mistake.

The girls fighting were seeing nothing but their enemies. Totally normal human reaction. They were not hearing anything. Much less the sounds of the cop shouting.

This is where you need something to startle them. Something to get their attention. A shot into the grass as one example. I watched the video once. My mind screamed fire a shot into the ground. It will startle the girls out of the tunnel.

When the cop fired. At that moment he had a choice. Let another person get stabbed. Wounded. Possibly killed. Or shoot.

I don’t find fault with the shooting at the time it happened. But here again is where my often advocated position comes in. A study into the totality of events. Alternatives that can be thought of. Alternatives that may be available to the next cop in the next situation. Alternatives that may save a life later. And there are always alternatives. There are always lessons to be learned.

The biggest thing is think. It is hard to think in a stressful situation. The ability to do so is invaluable. This is where training comes in. Teaching people to think when the stress is on. Teaching them to avoid that tunnel vision.

The more you know. The better you are. We should milk incidents like this for every ounce of information.

It was a justified shooting IMO. It was still regrettable. And I would like to think of ways to avoid it if possible next time. I don’t want to see anyone die. Cop or civilian. If it can possibly be avoided.

You know why you don't fire into the ground? One word: ricochet.

Also, startling someone who's already swinging a knife at someone is an excellent way to make them lurch forward and CONTINUE THE SWING. Ever hear of momentum? Ever get startled by a loud, unexpected sound behind you? Did you freeze, or did you jump? Moron.

Maybe YOU should try thinking before flapping your gob about things you clearly know nothing about.

You convinced me. The shooting was absolutely not justified. Try and convict him for murder.

Awww, is your feewings hurt? I guess you showed me by your vicious decision to "think" something at me. I am cut to the quick by your incisive willingness to hold opinions based on whether or not someone is nice to you about your ignorance, rather than based on facts.

Actually, I'd be really glad that I upset you with my utter lack of respect for you as a sentient being . . . if it wasn't for the fact that I don't respect you enough to give a shit either way.

Oh god no. What happened is again a Rabid Right Wing idiot spoke up. Want to know why Chauvin was convicted. Idiots like you who opposed every change. No matter how minor.

Idiots like you who oppose any reform insured that the cops would not lead the effort like they should have. No. No changes. So instead the cops are being fired and charged with crimes and sent to prison. The changes came no matter how much morons like you opposed them. Now. The changes are resulting in cops going to prison.

So for twenty years I’ve argued for common sense reforms. For that long I’ve written letters and talked to people. Those common sense reforms are about to appear in the rear view mirror. Radical changes are coming. And more cops are going to prison.

It isn’t my fault. It’s yours that the thin blue line wants their members to go to prison. It isn’t BLM or Antifa. It’s you blistering idiots on the right who act like the smallest change to anything is right out of the communist playbook.

So fuck them. Let the cops go to jail and prison. It don’t affect me. I live way out in the country. Let you and the rest of the Suburbanites find yourselves overwhelmed by your own hatred. First you’ll blame the blacks. Then you’ll blame the brown. The Jews. And before long you’ll be drawing up lines based on religious affiliation. You idiots with tiny minds always do.

Next it is Kyle Rittenhouse who is headed to Prison. After him the McMichaels. And it is the fault of idiots just like you.

Chauvin was railroaded by an angry black mob. No one is swallowing this horseshit that the whiteman is responsible.

Chauvin was convicted by the thin blue line. Let me explain.

For two decades people have been raising issue with cops who are given passes for bad behavior. Anyone who mentioned reform of the protections enjoyed by cops was labeled as anti police and pro crime. The issue was worse than social security. Just to mention reform was political death.

Police intimidate and are hostile to people making complaints. The cops are caught in lies and nothing happens to them.

Supervisors swept the bad behavior under the rug. There are hundreds of videos of police reacting with hostility when someone tries to file a complaint. Yet Chauvin got 18 of them.

The defenders like yourself who object to repeal of the Law Enforcement Officers Bill of Rights are partly to blame. Criminal conduct in many of those cases can’t be prosecuted if it is handled as an internal employment issue.

It isn’t the Blacks driving this. It is YouTube. Video after video of police abuse and brutality. Video after video of cops going way over the line has eroded not only the trust of LEO’s but the willingness of the public to accept the isolated incident excuse.

Maryland was the first state to pass the LEOBR. And this year they were the first to repeal it. How long before all of them follow?

Yeah. It was you guys supporting the cops who kept real reform from stopping Chauvin from developing a pattern of abusive and brutal behavior. It isn’t BLM. It isn’t ANTIFA. It was the stubborn idiocy of the I support the cops who prevented the reform.

Now that reform is rolling over the cops. Sending cops like Chauvin, Slager, and many others are rotting in the harsh and vindictive prisons you say is good enough for criminals.

That’s fine with me. Another couple hundred cops get convicted, and another few dozen multimillion lawsuit settlements and the changes will be forced on the cops.

Here is the rest of my prediction from nearly twenty years ago. Those changes that are forced on the cops will result in more dead cops. Instead of leading on the issue the cops counted on strong support. From idiots like you. More dead cops. And that is on you. More cops in prison. Also on you and your white wing conservatives.

Total fucking lies.

What is a lie? Maryland repealed the LEOBR and was the first state to pass it.

Maryland at forefront of police reform with sweeping legislative package

The Maryland General Assembly passed sweeping police reform measures that require everything from a duty to intervene to a mandatory body camera program.

www.wbaltv.com

Chauvin had 18 complaints.

The Minneapolis police officer who knelt on George Floyd's neck had 18 previous complaints against him, police department says | CNN

The former Minneapolis police officer seen in a video with his knee on George Floyd's neck had 18 prior complaints filed against him with the Minneapolis Police Department's Internal Affairs, according to the police department.

www.cnn.com

There are a lot of videos on YouTube about police complaints.

So what are the lies? This is a problem with the left and right extremes. Both label things they don’t like as lies. Then accuse the other side of being radical for saying the things they don’t like.

My prediction about the future of cops? I may be wrong but a prediction is not a lie. It is an educated or wild assed guess. Like a guess or bet on who will win a sporting event.

Is it the predicted conviction of Kyle Rittenhouse? My basis for that has been discussed before. You can’t claim self defense if you are committing a criminal act. It is why robbers can’t claim self defense when they shoot the clerk at the gas station. The McMichaels? Under Georgia Law they committed the crimes. Their defense argument is even weaker than Rittenhouse.

So what lies are you claiming?

 

[dannyboys]

Amost certainly NO.

A more proficient police officer would have been able to remedy the situation so that it didn't result in death.

Death was the outcome and that can never be seen as a successful handling of the situation.

Once again it simply boils down to bad policing that's due to a lack of police concern for black lives.

It would be a near certainty that had the knife wielder been a white child and the intended victim a black child, the outcome would have been different and more desirable.

Americans can't understand this and so the fight to reform their police will be long, which will most likely result in police pushing the envelope on their right to kill to even greater heights.

Too bad the cop hadn't attended the 'Roy Rogers LEO Training Camp'. You know, the one where LEO's are trained to shoot the gun or knife out of the hand of the would be murderer in a split second.
Don't worry ASSHOLE! The next time one of YOUR female family members is about to be shot or knifed the LEO may have attended the Roy Rogers Training Camp.

 

[dannyboys]

The cop did the correct thing. I feel as solid about this as I did when I witnessed a black MP blow away a white soldier who had been threatening his wife and would not put down his weapon when ordered to do so. Both, imo, were human acts untouched by 'racism.'

A firearm is much different.
Most people are too inexperienced to even be able to kill with a knife if they wanted to.
It is not that easy.

And regardless of the knife attack, less lethal means could have been tried, like a warning shot, or a single shot.
Why 4 shots?
That allowed no possibility of survival.

I get all that, but I would have done the same. A knife can kill, period. And if the attacker closed in, how many times could she have slid that blade in?

I am not saying the shooting was criminal, but that more expertise could have possibly produced a better result.
The fact is MIGHT have been a knife murder does not mean it was for sure.
Nor a 16 year old likely to continue an attack after the first hollow point .40S&W round mushroomed inside her abdomen.
I also don't think police should use deadly hollow points.
They claim it to reduce over penetration of walls, but I don't buy that.

The shooting was appropriate.

I agree with you about not using hollow points.

A hollow point will more likely stop within the body. A non-hollow point will more likely continue through the body and enter an innocent person's body.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

IMHO there is no justification for the police to allow anyone to murder an unarmed person.
The girl with the knife is attempting to murder an unarmed girl, totally unacceptable.
Anyone who blames the cop for anything other than doing his job "protecting" the unarmed girl is a racist gaslighting POS.

Police release body cam footage in fatal shooting of teenage girl in Ohio

The victim has been identified as 16-year-old Ma'Khia Bryant.

www.cbsnews.com

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The Biden admin just can't stop blaming cops instead of blaming criminals!? The GOP has lots of ammo for 2022 and 2024.

We are getting so fucked up in this country now, that half of us believe you should protect the life of the murderer over the victim.