Was the Columbus, OH., police officer justified shooting the knife wielding girl? (poll)

[Remodeling Maidiac]

The Biden admin just can't stop blaming cops instead of blaming criminals!? The GOP has lots of ammo for 2022 and 2024.

Good! More ammo is probably the best way forward to a solution for America. The streets must run red with the blood of it's citizens.

It can also serve to harden the opinions of the rest of the world on America's turn to fascism.

Not to mention the leg up it all gives to China!

If the streets run red with CRIMINAL blood so be it.

No one with a brain gives a fuck what the rest of the world thinks of our criminal problems. We are TOP DOG so they can fuck right off or stop taking our free handouts of blood & treasure.

China publicly executes their criminals so lol at that dumbass statement. They also execute political rivals.

 

[Donald H]

In cases like this one? A death at this crime scene is an example of Police doing the job they're paid to do.
You don't have a clue about Policing and you demonstrate that more and more with each post!

Alright then, deaths of Canadians by police at a crime scene is proof of police failure.
Deaths of Americans by police at a crime scene is the most desirable outcome.

Your determination on making your point is stronger than my will to resist. Or more correctly, my interest in *caring.

*to debate the question with you that is.

 

[$ecular#eckler]

In the very slim chance that you actually care about human life, you could investigate the difference in American police actions ending in deaths, as opposed to other modern democracies.

Other modern democracies do not have the diversity that the United States has.

 

[Donald H]

Not for anything, but it’s so easy to quarterback this officers actions from a keyboard. None of us were there in that moment. All we have is a video that looks like a split second decision to prevent a stabbing.

How about we discuss the girls failure to follow a lawful order instead of dissecting a lawful shoot with the intention of castigating his use of DPF.

Police action at a crime scene or potential crime scene that results in death or deaths, is police failure.

If any of you want a rational discussion on the topic then that's the simple premise on which I base my arguments.

I suspect that in the 'real' America beyond this ignorant clusterfk, most police officers fully understand that they have failed if the outcome is death at their hand.

 

[Donald H]

Other modern democracies do not have the diversity that the United States has.

A possible attempt at a decent discussion, but too erroneous in it's nature to make that assumption.

 

[Nostra]

Clearly, since the cop didn’t ask her nicely and say “Pretty please put the knife down” he is in the wrong, a racist, a murderer, and Lebron was right to dox him and threaten his life.

 

[Jets]

Not for anything, but it’s so easy to quarterback this officers actions from a keyboard. None of us were there in that moment. All we have is a video that looks like a split second decision to prevent a stabbing.

How about we discuss the girls failure to follow a lawful order instead of dissecting a lawful shoot with the intention of castigating his use of DPF.

Police action at a crime scene or potential crime scene that results in death or deaths, is police failure.

If any of you want a rational discussion on the topic then that's the simple premise on which I base my arguments.

I suspect that in the 'real' America beyond this ignorant clusterfk, most police officers fully understand that they have failed if the outcome is death at their hand.

I understand that, but:

Police action at a crime scene or potential crime scene that results in death or deaths, is police failure.

This premise is an oversimplification.

 

[Oldestyle]

With all due respect, Donald...you're an idiot! You've got one woman about to stab the other and the Police are about ten yards away. What "remedy" would you suggest is going to keep that other girl from being stabbed other than to shoot the girl wielding the knife? That girl gets shot regardless of skin color. Claiming otherwise is nothing more than race baiting! The Police Officer involved did his job. Not shooting and letting an unarmed person be murdered is what you think should have happened which is why you ARE an idiot!

I'll pay you the courtesy of one reply. The death may or may not have been preventable.

I won't get into any detail because your words indicate to me that you have absolutely no interest in hearing anything rational on how police attitudes could save so many American lives.

In the very slim chance that you actually care about human life, you could investigate the difference in American police actions ending in deaths, as opposed to other modern democracies.

Or you can just conclude that I'm an idiot and drop the whole thing.

A question for you: Can you reconcile your lust for death by police with your religious beliefs?

My lust for death? LOL Seriously? A Police Officer shot someone who was about to murder an unarmed person with a knife. How does my belief that the actions of the officer were correct make me someone who lusts for death?

As for my religious beliefs? I'm an agnostic. Stop jumping to conclusions.

 

[Rigby5]

And the girl shot was the victim being attacked by the gang,

That's not what happened when LE arrived. There were no physical attacks going on when they rolled up.

I beg to differ. As soon as they got out of the police car the gal with the knife knocked another girl down and then went after the girl wearing pink. Watch the videos again.

Ohio officials release more body cam video of fatal police shooting of Black teen and urge community to await the facts | CNN

Columbus, Ohio, officials released additional body camera video on Wednesday of a police officer fatally shooting a Black teen who charged two females with a knife.

www.cnn.com

She was getting close to her head area with the knife when the police shoots her to stop it.

How can you miss the obvious Rigby5?

Silly.
It was on over hand grip, swinging side to side.
That would be impossible to reach the head area, and she never got close.

The only way a knife attack could be deadly is un underhand grip, a direct lunge below the ribcage, pointed upward.
Nothing else really had any chance of being deadly.
An the knife wielder never looked at all like she was intending any real harm.
It was all theatrics.
She could easily have made contact, but never actually tried.

Stop posting nonsense. Here is a photo showing the murder in-progress, until the cop stopped her.
View attachment 483123

Wrong.
The sharp edge of the knife is to the right.
If this swing to the left tried to contact the neck, it would have had to have been with dull backside of the blade.
This is a side ways swring.
Nothing remotely deadly appearing at all.

And only M'Kia lived there and had the right of defense.
The girl in pink is one of the trespassing attackers.

You are suggesting that casual non threatening unarmed "trespasser" carrying a cat in her arms should be slashed?

Really are you on drugs today? your tortured rationalizations have gotten stupider by the thread page.

It is EASY to stab anyone who is trapped by a car, you must never have handled a knife in your life because you are trying the impossible in saying knife held the way that girl help can't stab anyone.

Holding a knife out to the side is winding up for a wild roundhouse swing. It is not the way you prepare for a direct lunge, which is the only really threatening way to use a knife in an attack.
Nor did the woman in pink have a cat.
Four fatal shots is an escalation from a possible slash.
Not saying it was terrible, but not the best possible outcome, and 4 shots was overkill.
Bad training.
But good marksmanship.

 

[OKTexas]

And the girl shot was the victim being attacked by the gang,

That's not what happened when LE arrived. There were no physical attacks going on when they rolled up.

I beg to differ. As soon as they got out of the police car the gal with the knife knocked another girl down and then went after the girl wearing pink. Watch the videos again.

Ohio officials release more body cam video of fatal police shooting of Black teen and urge community to await the facts | CNN

Columbus, Ohio, officials released additional body camera video on Wednesday of a police officer fatally shooting a Black teen who charged two females with a knife.

www.cnn.com

She was getting close to her head area with the knife when the police shoots her to stop it.

How can you miss the obvious Rigby5?

Silly.
It was on over hand grip, swinging side to side.
That would be impossible to reach the head area, and she never got close.

The only way a knife attack could be deadly is un underhand grip, a direct lunge below the ribcage, pointed upward.
Nothing else really had any chance of being deadly.
An the knife wielder never looked at all like she was intending any real harm.
It was all theatrics.
She could easily have made contact, but never actually tried.

Stop posting nonsense. Here is a photo showing the murder in-progress, until the cop stopped her.
View attachment 483123

Wrong.
The sharp edge of the knife is to the right.
If this swing to the left tried to contact the neck, it would have had to have been with dull backside of the blade.
This is a side ways swring.
Nothing remotely deadly appearing at all.

And only M'Kia lived there and had the right of defense.
The girl in pink is one of the trespassing attackers.

The PROG said the police should have observed how the knife was being held before she stabbed the other woman

It is obvious if there would have been contact from the knife, it would have been a slash, not stab.
And yes, the pistol is so much more deadly, that one should differentiate carefully.

You're full of shit, a knife is just as deadly.

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[22lcidw]

Why didn't they stay in the house until the police arrived? Also the officer had no way of knowing who the individuals were when he arrived, he had to react to the situation he was witnessing.

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There's nothing more you need to know than just the fact that death or deaths at a crime scene is police failure.

Hundreds more comments on this thread are not going to change that fact.

Reitterating over and over again by Americans that that is the desired outcome is just window dressing.

The reasons why it's desired is of interest here.

Police slowing down to get to these scenes will just mean Police Cleanup. Get the coroner there, do the paperwork and move on. It is insane to be on the backs of cops 24 hours a day for this.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Anyone but especially police can use deadly force to protect themselves and others from immanent bodily harm or death. This particular office had less than 10 seconds to assess the situation and act. What he saw was a large individual wheedling a butcher knife attacking two individuals. What would you have done in that situation?

The contrarian cranks offer no answers. Did you ever think you would see the day where shooting someone
about to drive a knife through a helpless victim would be controversial?

A percentage of the country is out of their minds. We must insure that percentage remains small.

I never thought the day would come when stabbing an innocent person was acceptable and not to be stopped.

 

[Donald H]

If the streets run red with CRIMINAL blood so be it.

No one with a brain gives a fuck what the rest of the world thinks of our criminal problems. We are TOP DOG so they can fuck right off or stop taking our free handouts of blood & treasure.

China publicly executes their criminals so lol at that dumbass statement. They also execute political rivals.

Your pain and frustration are palpable. My main interest is in determining what went wrong in America, that has now become your driving force.

You're not alone with your frothing at the mouth in anger and frustration but you're one of the most proficient in expressing it.

Police action at a crime scene or potential crime scene that results in death or deaths, is police failure.

 

[Rigby5]

And the girl shot was the victim being attacked by the gang,

That's not what happened when LE arrived. There were no physical attacks going on when they rolled up.

I beg to differ. As soon as they got out of the police car the gal with the knife knocked another girl down and then went after the girl wearing pink. Watch the videos again.

Ohio officials release more body cam video of fatal police shooting of Black teen and urge community to await the facts | CNN

Columbus, Ohio, officials released additional body camera video on Wednesday of a police officer fatally shooting a Black teen who charged two females with a knife.

www.cnn.com

Don't believe your eyes, use a PROG-head instead.

So the knife wielder pushed one attacker down first in the video.
She had the knife then.
How come the woman knocked down was not cut?
The knife wielder lived there?
Did the other 2 women live there?
No, they were attackers from elsewhere.

They all lived there. This was a foster family. They got into a fight over housekeeping. No one was from elsewhere.

Correct.
But the knife wielder was smallest and the other started it.
It is not at all likely there was any real risk until the cop fired 4 .40S&W hollow points into her.
A hollow point is designed to expand into a small buzz saw that saws into the body from the rifling spin.
That was the only deadly intent anyone actually saw.
The knife swings were all so awkward as obviously only be theatrics.
There was not even a single drop of blood from the knife, even though they certainly had made close personal contact.

You hear that? New rules for cops.

A. The cops must find out who started it before a person drills a knife into another in the street.

B. If the person holding the knife is smaller than their opponent, the police must take that into account before the person drills a knife into another in the street.

C.. It doesn't matter that the person being stabbed does not have a weapon if they're bigger.

D. There was no risk the knife would have harmed anyone, this was the police force's fault the knife was a knife and she really didn't mean it.

E. She was only pretending to draw a knife toward the other's neck or torso. Police need to ask if they intend to harm another person or if it's just for posture.

F. There was no blood. Police must look for blood before they act as a person swings a knife at another.

So here's how it works.......

Cops show up. They see a girl ready to slam a knife into another on the street, but how do they know she actually will? First they must do their forensics in search for blood spatter. They'll need to put those fighting onto a scale to judge who has a physical advantage, and when that's done they quiz the person who is swinging a weapon if they really mean it.

No new rules needed.
Old rules need to be followed instead.
Police have no additional authority beyond that anyone has.
They can't because no one can give it to them, because they don't have it.
Instead of police, we need armed Neighborhood Watch that knows the people and situation better, and can find a better solution.
Distant is bad.
The closer the better.
Police are SO distant, they likely do more harm than good.
Like the War on Drugs, no-knock warrants, asset forfeiture, etc.
Police are doing a very bad job and getting worse all the time.
Better off without them.
We did fine 100 years ago without them.
Their main goal is to raise revenue.

 

[Rigby5]

Anyone but especially police can use deadly force to protect themselves and others from immanent bodily harm or death. This particular office had less than 10 seconds to assess the situation and act. What he saw was a large individual wheedling a butcher knife attacking two individuals. What would you have done in that situation?

The contrarian cranks offer no answers. Did you ever think you would see the day where shooting someone
about to drive a knife through a helpless victim would be controversial?

A percentage of the country is out of their minds. We must insure that percentage remains small.

I never thought the day would come when stabbing an innocent person was acceptable and not to be stopped.

No stabbing occurred and none was likely to occur if police had not arrived either.
Nor is shooting a teen 4 times with hollow point .40S&W the best way to stop it.

 

[OKTexas]

Anyone but especially police can use deadly force to protect themselves and others from immanent bodily harm or death. This particular office had less than 10 seconds to assess the situation and act. What he saw was a large individual wheedling a butcher knife attacking two individuals. What would you have done in that situation?

The contrarian cranks offer no answers. Did you ever think you would see the day where shooting someone
about to drive a knife through a helpless victim would be controversial?

A percentage of the country is out of their minds. We must insure that percentage remains small.

Yep, a lot of stupid people out there that have no experience in the military or law enforcement that just love to play armchair quarterback.

.

 

[Donald H]

Police slowing down to get to these scenes will just mean Police Cleanup. Get the coroner there, do the paperwork and move on. It is insane to be on the backs of cops 24 hours a day for this.

Would it be consistent with the American mindset of death to just say that they can forget the paperwork. just kick the dead American corpses into the ditch and let the maggots finish the job?

Police action at a crime scene or potential crime scene that results in death or deaths, is police failure.

Or would it be better to just try to return to a more moderate discussion on the issue?[/B]

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

If the streets run red with CRIMINAL blood so be it.

No one with a brain gives a fuck what the rest of the world thinks of our criminal problems. We are TOP DOG so they can fuck right off or stop taking our free handouts of blood & treasure.

China publicly executes their criminals so lol at that dumbass statement. They also execute political rivals.

Your pain and frustration are palpable. My main interest is in determining what went wrong in America, that has now become your driving force.

You're not alone with your frothing at the mouth in anger and frustration but you're one of the most proficient in expressing it.

Police action at a crime scene or potential crime scene that results in death or deaths, is police failure.

Literally no one cares what drives you lol

Are you a foreigner? Let me know because if you are your thoughts on our issues are worthless and I would be better off just blocking you rather than reading your worthless tripe

 

[Sunsettommy]

And the girl shot was the victim being attacked by the gang,

That's not what happened when LE arrived. There were no physical attacks going on when they rolled up.

I beg to differ. As soon as they got out of the police car the gal with the knife knocked another girl down and then went after the girl wearing pink. Watch the videos again.

Ohio officials release more body cam video of fatal police shooting of Black teen and urge community to await the facts | CNN

Columbus, Ohio, officials released additional body camera video on Wednesday of a police officer fatally shooting a Black teen who charged two females with a knife.

www.cnn.com

She was getting close to her head area with the knife when the police shoots her to stop it.

How can you miss the obvious Rigby5?

Silly.
It was on over hand grip, swinging side to side.
That would be impossible to reach the head area, and she never got close.

The only way a knife attack could be deadly is un underhand grip, a direct lunge below the ribcage, pointed upward.
Nothing else really had any chance of being deadly.
An the knife wielder never looked at all like she was intending any real harm.
It was all theatrics.
She could easily have made contact, but never actually tried.

Stop posting nonsense. Here is a photo showing the murder in-progress, until the cop stopped her.
View attachment 483123

Wrong.
The sharp edge of the knife is to the right.
If this swing to the left tried to contact the neck, it would have had to have been with dull backside of the blade.
This is a side ways swring.
Nothing remotely deadly appearing at all.

And only M'Kia lived there and had the right of defense.
The girl in pink is one of the trespassing attackers.

You are suggesting that casual non threatening unarmed "trespasser" carrying a cat in her arms should be slashed?

Really are you on drugs today? your tortured rationalizations have gotten stupider by the thread page.

It is EASY to stab anyone who is trapped by a car, you must never have handled a knife in your life because you are trying the impossible in saying knife held the way that girl help can't stab anyone.

Holding a knife out to the side is winding up for a wild roundhouse swing. It is not the way you prepare for a direct lunge, which is the only really threatening way to use a knife in an attack.
Nor did the woman in pink have a cat.
Four fatal shots is an escalation from a possible slash.
Not saying it was terrible, but not the best possible outcome, and 4 shots was overkill.
Bad training.
But good marksmanship.

You are full of shit!

You have yet to show she shouldn't be shot to prevent a stabbing that was a second ot two away from being real.

The girl screamed that she was going to stab her and it is easy to do that with a long knife, you are trying to conjure proof out of thin air, the VIDEO utterly destroys everything you say.

She was still alive after the first shot you idiot, that is why he kept firing, besides who give a shit if she had 1 or 4 bullets in her body, she is DEAD!

Here is the link to much better video of the incident

 

[Donald H]

Are you a foreigner? Let me know because if you are your thoughts on our issues are worthless and I would be better off just blocking you rather than reading your worthless tripe

Yes, I'm a Canadian. I can't see any purpose or worth in any exchange of ideas with you from now on, but I may comment on your extremist attitude from time to time.