Was HITLER a Christian indeed?

[fncceo]

One of Hitler's biggest financial supporters in the very early days was a Jew.
It was the business community that put Hitler in power including Jews, because instability in Germany threatened a communist take over - they would lose everything.
By the time he came to power the particular Jew who helped them was owed so much money, and by that time they'd found out he was a Jew, and his shot up body was found in a hedge after the 'Night of the long knives'.
Leading politicians and the business community all thought he would soften the anti-Semitism once in power, and they could control him. Wrong!
Hitler was INSANE! So the question in the OP is non applicable.

During that time and before, the catholic church taught LUTHERISM----which was basically that Jews murdered Jesus day in and day out. But Hitler did have jewish friends and liked jews to some degree UNTILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL.....................................................his beloved catholic mothers death. She got sick, I don't remember from what exactly but I think some form of cancer right off the top of my head. And a JEWISH doctor was called.............................she died horribly and in much pain. Hitler blamed the jewish doctor and outwardly hated all jews after.

It's comforting to think that Hitler was somehow more antisemitic than anyone else in 1930s Europe.

In fact, Hitler was merely repeating what has been the dogma of European thought for nearly 2,000 years.

Hitler had enemies in France, England, and many other European countries. But ... the one thing they did see eye-to-eye with Hitler was his theories about Jews.

Even when Paris was occupied by The Nazis, the areas of Free France were more than willing to ship Jews in their territories back to Germany. England too sent Jewish refugees back to Germany, knowing they would immediately be sent to concentration camps. Poles, and other Eastern Europeans actively assisted the Nazis in hunting down and killing Jews even with their countries occupied by Nazis.

It's a fact that antisemitism in Europe was (and in many places still is) as natural as breathing.

 

[Oz and the Orchestra]

And contrary to what you may have heard, there were Jews who originally supported Hitler.

And contrary to what you believe, Jews aren't a monolithic group with identical political beliefs.

To low information voters, Hitler would have seemed a reasonable alternative to other Weimar alternatives.

It's safe to say any Jew who did support Hitler when his plans started going forward, didn't do so as an openly Jewish person.

And neither are all people who label themselves or a labeled by others "christian" (a monolithic group). And certainly, many people can be taken in by a forgery ----- but certainly not if they personally study the Bible and seek to know the truth... The truth sets one free.

The Bible was compiled from around 400 ad from a selection of old manuscripts. What makes you think that each and every one of them was any more factual and 'true', than the works of William Shakespeare?

This is entirely wrong. What we call the OLD TESTAMENT was totally established when Jesus read and discussed it in the Temple at Jerusalem at age 12. The NEW TESTAMENT's last book (Revelation) was written about 95 AD. Most all the other books were written within 45 years of the death and resurrection of Jesus the Christ. Clearly, it was some time before that cannon was set. They (the works) all agree and the writers had firsthand knowledge (brought back to mind by the HOLY SPIRIT) being in some cases half brothers of Jesus or Apostles or they were someone who worked with an Apostle firsthand.

The Old Testament has nothing to do with Christianity apart from providing a backdrop for the New Testament.
The 'stories' that made New Testament in the Bible, were written between 55 AD and 110 AD (Timothy).
Why did it not include the testimonies of the Virgin Mary or St Peter? Which have been recently discovered?
The reason is they give a completely different and more mystical interpretation of Christianity.
Where is it written that the HOLY SPIRIT was at play in its compilation.
Jehovah's Witnesses for example point to the fact that the 'Greek', used in the New Testament describes Jesus being executed on a 'stowross', (English translation) which means 'stake' not 'crucifix'.

Having said all that there seems sufficient evidence that a man named Jesus was 'crucified' by the Romans at around the right time. One thing we know the Romans did not tolerate was any sign of insurgence. Particularly at a time of 'Passover' in Jerusalem when the populous would be swollen. An outsider and his 12 man crew entering the Temple and turning over the tables would I'd think be ample reason for crucifying the lot of them. So reports of that both Pilot
and Herod dithered I find fanciful. As is the claim that they would release a dangerous terrorist - Barabbas.

As I said the best way to view both Bible Testaments is as works of fiction, with plenty of truths encapsulated in it.

 

[Oz and the Orchestra]

One of Hitler's biggest financial supporters in the very early days was a Jew.
It was the business community that put Hitler in power including Jews, because instability in Germany threatened a communist take over - they would lose everything.
By the time he came to power the particular Jew who helped them was owed so much money, and by that time they'd found out he was a Jew, and his shot up body was found in a hedge after the 'Night of the long knives'.
Leading politicians and the business community all thought he would soften the anti-Semitism once in power, and they could control him. Wrong!
Hitler was INSANE! So the question in the OP is non applicable.

During that time and before, the catholic church taught LUTHERISM----which was basically that Jews murdered Jesus day in and day out. But Hitler did have jewish friends and liked jews to some degree UNTILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL.....................................................his beloved catholic mothers death. She got sick, I don't remember from what exactly but I think some form of cancer right off the top of my head. And a JEWISH doctor was called.............................she died horribly and in much pain. Hitler blamed the jewish doctor and outwardly hated all jews after.

It's comforting to think that Hitler was somehow more antisemitic than anyone else in 1930s Europe.

In fact, Hitler was merely repeating what has been the dogma of European thought for nearly 2,000 years.

Hitler had enemies in France, England, and many other European countries. But ... the one thing they did see eye-to-eye with Hitler was his theories about Jews.

Even when Paris was occupied by The Nazis, the areas of Free France were more than willing to ship Jews in their territories back to Germany. England too sent Jewish refugees back to Germany, knowing they would immediately be sent to concentration camps. Poles, and other Eastern Europeans actively assisted the Nazis in hunting down and killing Jews even with their countries occupied by Nazis.

It's a fact that antisemitism in Europe was (and in many places still is) as natural as breathing.

What you are saying is totally untrue. You have never lived in Europe or the UK. Jews are not and have never in modern times been discriminated against in the UK. As for the Vichy French - they were fascists as were the Ukrainians who actually manned the guard posts at Sobibor and Treblinka. Latvian, Lithuanian, Estonian, Polish, Rumanian & Hungarian etc Nationalist/fascists did support Hitler, though as in the case of the Ukraine, Goring's visit declaring them to be treated as slaves tended to turn a lot of them. Slovakia actually paid the Nazis to also take Jewish children after they'd taken their parents.
Britain had Mosley;s 'black shirts' who were a tiny group and usually got beaten up when staging rally's.
Britain's immigration policy was far more lenient than that of the US. Gerry Springer, Ruby Wax, Marianne Faithful. Names you may have heard of, were all taken in by Britain. Read about the 'Kinder Transports'.
Every country has its Right Wing/Nationalist/Fascists. In Britain they are a tiny minority.

 

[Taz]

I do not see the fruits of the spirit exhibited in HITLER's views or politics: https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2019/04/20/hitler-hated-judaism-he-loathed-christianity-too/

Hitler's god was the meth that his doctor injected him with.

 

[Turtlesoup]

One of Hitler's biggest financial supporters in the very early days was a Jew.
It was the business community that put Hitler in power including Jews, because instability in Germany threatened a communist take over - they would lose everything.
By the time he came to power the particular Jew who helped them was owed so much money, and by that time they'd found out he was a Jew, and his shot up body was found in a hedge after the 'Night of the long knives'.
Leading politicians and the business community all thought he would soften the anti-Semitism once in power, and they could control him. Wrong!
Hitler was INSANE! So the question in the OP is non applicable.

During that time and before, the catholic church taught LUTHERISM----which was basically that Jews murdered Jesus day in and day out. But Hitler did have jewish friends and liked jews to some degree UNTILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL.....................................................his beloved catholic mothers death. She got sick, I don't remember from what exactly but I think some form of cancer right off the top of my head. And a JEWISH doctor was called.............................she died horribly and in much pain. Hitler blamed the jewish doctor and outwardly hated all jews after.

It's comforting to think that Hitler was somehow more antisemitic than anyone else in 1930s Europe.

In fact, Hitler was merely repeating what has been the dogma of European thought for nearly 2,000 years.

Hitler had enemies in France, England, and many other European countries. But ... the one thing they did see eye-to-eye with Hitler was his theories about Jews.

Even when Paris was occupied by The Nazis, the areas of Free France were more than willing to ship Jews in their territories back to Germany. England too sent Jewish refugees back to Germany, knowing they would immediately be sent to concentration camps. Poles, and other Eastern Europeans actively assisted the Nazis in hunting down and killing Jews even with their countries occupied by Nazis.

It's a fact that antisemitism in Europe was (and in many places still is) as natural as breathing.

All True-----------most don't understand that the christians then had been taught to hate Jews and that Hitler's hate was not outside the norm FOR THEN.

 

[Turtlesoup]

One of Hitler's biggest financial supporters in the very early days was a Jew.
It was the business community that put Hitler in power including Jews, because instability in Germany threatened a communist take over - they would lose everything.
By the time he came to power the particular Jew who helped them was owed so much money, and by that time they'd found out he was a Jew, and his shot up body was found in a hedge after the 'Night of the long knives'.
Leading politicians and the business community all thought he would soften the anti-Semitism once in power, and they could control him. Wrong!
Hitler was INSANE! So the question in the OP is non applicable.

During that time and before, the catholic church taught LUTHERISM----which was basically that Jews murdered Jesus day in and day out. But Hitler did have jewish friends and liked jews to some degree UNTILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL.....................................................his beloved catholic mothers death. She got sick, I don't remember from what exactly but I think some form of cancer right off the top of my head. And a JEWISH doctor was called.............................she died horribly and in much pain. Hitler blamed the jewish doctor and outwardly hated all jews after.

It's comforting to think that Hitler was somehow more antisemitic than anyone else in 1930s Europe.

In fact, Hitler was merely repeating what has been the dogma of European thought for nearly 2,000 years.

Hitler had enemies in France, England, and many other European countries. But ... the one thing they did see eye-to-eye with Hitler was his theories about Jews.

Even when Paris was occupied by The Nazis, the areas of Free France were more than willing to ship Jews in their territories back to Germany. England too sent Jewish refugees back to Germany, knowing they would immediately be sent to concentration camps. Poles, and other Eastern Europeans actively assisted the Nazis in hunting down and killing Jews even with their countries occupied by Nazis.

It's a fact that antisemitism in Europe was (and in many places still is) as natural as breathing.

What you are saying is totally untrue. You have never lived in Europe or the UK. Jews are not and have never in modern times been discriminated against in the UK. As for the Vichy French - they were fascists as were the Ukrainians who actually manned the guard posts at Sobibor and Treblinka. Latvian, Lithuanian, Estonian, Polish, Rumanian & Hungarian etc Nationalist/fascists did support Hitler, though as in the case of the Ukraine, Goring's visit declaring them to be treated as slaves tended to turn a lot of them. Slovakia actually paid the Nazis to also take Jewish children after they'd taken their parents.
Britain had Mosley;s 'black shirts' who were a tiny group and usually got beaten up when staging rally's.
Britain's immigration policy was far more lenient than that of the US. Gerry Springer, Ruby Wax, Marianne Faithful. Names you may have heard of, were all taken in by Britain. Read about the 'Kinder Transports'.
Every country has its Right Wing/Nationalist/Fascists. In Britain they are a tiny minority.

Hun--it had to do with being a DIFFERENT TIME--------and the TEACHINGS of MARTIN LUTHER--notorious jew hater who called for the murder of all jews because the jews had killed jesus being taught in the churches. Not just taught---but hammered homed in most weekly sermons THEN.

 

[Oz and the Orchestra]

One of Hitler's biggest financial supporters in the very early days was a Jew.
It was the business community that put Hitler in power including Jews, because instability in Germany threatened a communist take over - they would lose everything.
By the time he came to power the particular Jew who helped them was owed so much money, and by that time they'd found out he was a Jew, and his shot up body was found in a hedge after the 'Night of the long knives'.
Leading politicians and the business community all thought he would soften the anti-Semitism once in power, and they could control him. Wrong!
Hitler was INSANE! So the question in the OP is non applicable.

During that time and before, the catholic church taught LUTHERISM----which was basically that Jews murdered Jesus day in and day out. But Hitler did have jewish friends and liked jews to some degree UNTILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL.....................................................his beloved catholic mothers death. She got sick, I don't remember from what exactly but I think some form of cancer right off the top of my head. And a JEWISH doctor was called.............................she died horribly and in much pain. Hitler blamed the jewish doctor and outwardly hated all jews after.

It's comforting to think that Hitler was somehow more antisemitic than anyone else in 1930s Europe.

In fact, Hitler was merely repeating what has been the dogma of European thought for nearly 2,000 years.

Hitler had enemies in France, England, and many other European countries. But ... the one thing they did see eye-to-eye with Hitler was his theories about Jews.

Even when Paris was occupied by The Nazis, the areas of Free France were more than willing to ship Jews in their territories back to Germany. England too sent Jewish refugees back to Germany, knowing they would immediately be sent to concentration camps. Poles, and other Eastern Europeans actively assisted the Nazis in hunting down and killing Jews even with their countries occupied by Nazis.

It's a fact that antisemitism in Europe was (and in many places still is) as natural as breathing.

What you are saying is totally untrue. You have never lived in Europe or the UK. Jews are not and have never in modern times been discriminated against in the UK. As for the Vichy French - they were fascists as were the Ukrainians who actually manned the guard posts at Sobibor and Treblinka. Latvian, Lithuanian, Estonian, Polish, Rumanian & Hungarian etc Nationalist/fascists did support Hitler, though as in the case of the Ukraine, Goring's visit declaring them to be treated as slaves tended to turn a lot of them. Slovakia actually paid the Nazis to also take Jewish children after they'd taken their parents.
Britain had Mosley;s 'black shirts' who were a tiny group and usually got beaten up when staging rally's.
Britain's immigration policy was far more lenient than that of the US. Gerry Springer, Ruby Wax, Marianne Faithful. Names you may have heard of, were all taken in by Britain. Read about the 'Kinder Transports'.
Every country has its Right Wing/Nationalist/Fascists. In Britain they are a tiny minority.

Hun--it had to do with being a DIFFERENT TIME--------and the TEACHINGS of MARTIN LUTHER--notorious jew hater who called for the murder of all jews because the jews had killed jesus being taught in the churches. Not just taught---but hammered homed in most weekly sermons THEN.

Ever put your brain into gear before you write?
Your last two posts were so inane I regret the time I wasted reading them!

 

[Turtlesoup]

One of Hitler's biggest financial supporters in the very early days was a Jew.
It was the business community that put Hitler in power including Jews, because instability in Germany threatened a communist take over - they would lose everything.
By the time he came to power the particular Jew who helped them was owed so much money, and by that time they'd found out he was a Jew, and his shot up body was found in a hedge after the 'Night of the long knives'.
Leading politicians and the business community all thought he would soften the anti-Semitism once in power, and they could control him. Wrong!
Hitler was INSANE! So the question in the OP is non applicable.

During that time and before, the catholic church taught LUTHERISM----which was basically that Jews murdered Jesus day in and day out. But Hitler did have jewish friends and liked jews to some degree UNTILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL.....................................................his beloved catholic mothers death. She got sick, I don't remember from what exactly but I think some form of cancer right off the top of my head. And a JEWISH doctor was called.............................she died horribly and in much pain. Hitler blamed the jewish doctor and outwardly hated all jews after.

It's comforting to think that Hitler was somehow more antisemitic than anyone else in 1930s Europe.

In fact, Hitler was merely repeating what has been the dogma of European thought for nearly 2,000 years.

Hitler had enemies in France, England, and many other European countries. But ... the one thing they did see eye-to-eye with Hitler was his theories about Jews.

Even when Paris was occupied by The Nazis, the areas of Free France were more than willing to ship Jews in their territories back to Germany. England too sent Jewish refugees back to Germany, knowing they would immediately be sent to concentration camps. Poles, and other Eastern Europeans actively assisted the Nazis in hunting down and killing Jews even with their countries occupied by Nazis.

It's a fact that antisemitism in Europe was (and in many places still is) as natural as breathing.

What you are saying is totally untrue. You have never lived in Europe or the UK. Jews are not and have never in modern times been discriminated against in the UK. As for the Vichy French - they were fascists as were the Ukrainians who actually manned the guard posts at Sobibor and Treblinka. Latvian, Lithuanian, Estonian, Polish, Rumanian & Hungarian etc Nationalist/fascists did support Hitler, though as in the case of the Ukraine, Goring's visit declaring them to be treated as slaves tended to turn a lot of them. Slovakia actually paid the Nazis to also take Jewish children after they'd taken their parents.
Britain had Mosley;s 'black shirts' who were a tiny group and usually got beaten up when staging rally's.
Britain's immigration policy was far more lenient than that of the US. Gerry Springer, Ruby Wax, Marianne Faithful. Names you may have heard of, were all taken in by Britain. Read about the 'Kinder Transports'.
Every country has its Right Wing/Nationalist/Fascists. In Britain they are a tiny minority.

Hun--it had to do with being a DIFFERENT TIME--------and the TEACHINGS of MARTIN LUTHER--notorious jew hater who called for the murder of all jews because the jews had killed jesus being taught in the churches. Not just taught---but hammered homed in most weekly sermons THEN.

Ever put your brain into gear before you write?
Your last two posts were so inane I regret the time I wasted reading them!

I am sorry that you don't understand history-----------I've posted the facts as watered down as I can get them. Instead of attacking me for posting facts, why don't you get off your ass and go research if you don't believe me. I am sorry, but back then the Lutheran church and the catholic church preached Martin Luther "teachings" weekly. They obsessed with him and his teachings which was that Jews were bad that killed off Jesus and that they needed to be killed off. After the war, the Europeans decided that this was a problem and changed their teachings and stopped focusing on Jew hating Martin Luther.

 

[LittleNipper]

And contrary to what you may have heard, there were Jews who originally supported Hitler.

And contrary to what you believe, Jews aren't a monolithic group with identical political beliefs.

To low information voters, Hitler would have seemed a reasonable alternative to other Weimar alternatives.

It's safe to say any Jew who did support Hitler when his plans started going forward, didn't do so as an openly Jewish person.

And neither are all people who label themselves or a labeled by others "christian" (a monolithic group). And certainly, many people can be taken in by a forgery ----- but certainly not if they personally study the Bible and seek to know the truth... The truth sets one free.

The Bible was compiled from around 400 ad from a selection of old manuscripts. What makes you think that each and every one of them was any more factual and 'true', than the works of William Shakespeare?

This is entirely wrong. What we call the OLD TESTAMENT was totally established when Jesus read and discussed it in the Temple at Jerusalem at age 12. The NEW TESTAMENT's last book (Revelation) was written about 95 AD. Most all the other books were written within 45 years of the death and resurrection of Jesus the Christ. Clearly, it was some time before that cannon was set. They (the works) all agree and the writers had firsthand knowledge (brought back to mind by the HOLY SPIRIT) being in some cases half brothers of Jesus or Apostles or they were someone who worked with an Apostle firsthand.

The Old Testament has nothing to do with Christianity apart from providing a backdrop for the New Testament.
The 'stories' that made New Testament in the Bible, were written between 55 AD and 110 AD (Timothy).
Why did it not include the testimonies of the Virgin Mary or St Peter? Which have been recently discovered?
The reason is they give a completely different and more mystical interpretation of Christianity.
Where is it written that the HOLY SPIRIT was at play in its compilation.
Jehovah's Witnesses for example point to the fact that the 'Greek', used in the New Testament describes Jesus being executed on a 'stowross', (English translation) which means 'stake' not 'crucifix'.

Having said all that there seems sufficient evidence that a man named Jesus was 'crucified' by the Romans at around the right time. One thing we know the Romans did not tolerate was any sign of insurgence. Particularly at a time of 'Passover' in Jerusalem when the populous would be swollen. An outsider and his 12 man crew entering the Temple and turning over the tables would I'd think be ample reason for crucifying the lot of them. So reports of that both Pilot
and Herod dithered I find fanciful. As is the claim that they would release a dangerous terrorist - Barabbas.

As I said the best way to view both Bible Testaments is as works of fiction, with plenty of truths encapsulated in it.

They were not included because they were fake/forgeries and written centuries after the fact by Gnostics seeking some hidden knowledge. The Old Testament demonstrates the need of a Savior and presents the prophecies regarding the coming Messiah. II Timothy was most likely written about 90 AD. The Jehovah Witnesses believe Jesus was the Archangel Michael. They don't believe that Jesus was God in human form. Their NEW WORLD TRANSLATION has been shown to be doctrinally slanted. Their founder Charles Russell was a charlatan (do the research). The ONLY way to view the Bible is as entirely inspired by GOD and as historically accurate in every detail. One can't make this up. The truth is stranger than fiction ---- to coin a phrase.

 

[LittleNipper]

One of Hitler's biggest financial supporters in the very early days was a Jew.
It was the business community that put Hitler in power including Jews, because instability in Germany threatened a communist take over - they would lose everything.
By the time he came to power the particular Jew who helped them was owed so much money, and by that time they'd found out he was a Jew, and his shot up body was found in a hedge after the 'Night of the long knives'.
Leading politicians and the business community all thought he would soften the anti-Semitism once in power, and they could control him. Wrong!
Hitler was INSANE! So the question in the OP is non applicable.

During that time and before, the catholic church taught LUTHERISM----which was basically that Jews murdered Jesus day in and day out. But Hitler did have jewish friends and liked jews to some degree UNTILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL.....................................................his beloved catholic mothers death. She got sick, I don't remember from what exactly but I think some form of cancer right off the top of my head. And a JEWISH doctor was called.............................she died horribly and in much pain. Hitler blamed the jewish doctor and outwardly hated all jews after.

It's comforting to think that Hitler was somehow more antisemitic than anyone else in 1930s Europe.

In fact, Hitler was merely repeating what has been the dogma of European thought for nearly 2,000 years.

Hitler had enemies in France, England, and many other European countries. But ... the one thing they did see eye-to-eye with Hitler was his theories about Jews.

Even when Paris was occupied by The Nazis, the areas of Free France were more than willing to ship Jews in their territories back to Germany. England too sent Jewish refugees back to Germany, knowing they would immediately be sent to concentration camps. Poles, and other Eastern Europeans actively assisted the Nazis in hunting down and killing Jews even with their countries occupied by Nazis.

It's a fact that antisemitism in Europe was (and in many places still is) as natural as breathing.

What you are saying is totally untrue. You have never lived in Europe or the UK. Jews are not and have never in modern times been discriminated against in the UK. As for the Vichy French - they were fascists as were the Ukrainians who actually manned the guard posts at Sobibor and Treblinka. Latvian, Lithuanian, Estonian, Polish, Rumanian & Hungarian etc Nationalist/fascists did support Hitler, though as in the case of the Ukraine, Goring's visit declaring them to be treated as slaves tended to turn a lot of them. Slovakia actually paid the Nazis to also take Jewish children after they'd taken their parents.
Britain had Mosley;s 'black shirts' who were a tiny group and usually got beaten up when staging rally's.
Britain's immigration policy was far more lenient than that of the US. Gerry Springer, Ruby Wax, Marianne Faithful. Names you may have heard of, were all taken in by Britain. Read about the 'Kinder Transports'.
Every country has its Right Wing/Nationalist/Fascists. In Britain they are a tiny minority.

Hun--it had to do with being a DIFFERENT TIME--------and the TEACHINGS of MARTIN LUTHER--notorious jew hater who called for the murder of all jews because the jews had killed jesus being taught in the churches. Not just taught---but hammered homed in most weekly sermons THEN.

Martin Luther didn't believe the Jews killed Jesus. He believed like mature true Christians that our sins nailed HIM to the cross. Initially Luther wanted to convert the Jews. However, he became annoyed/indignant that they would reject their Messiah. Luther was a human and as such made his share of mistakes ----- another reason we all need the SAVIOR. You can lead a horse to water... People who keep their eyes on Jesus are far better off than those that focus on some spiritual leader.

 

[LittleNipper]

One of Hitler's biggest financial supporters in the very early days was a Jew.
It was the business community that put Hitler in power including Jews, because instability in Germany threatened a communist take over - they would lose everything.
By the time he came to power the particular Jew who helped them was owed so much money, and by that time they'd found out he was a Jew, and his shot up body was found in a hedge after the 'Night of the long knives'.
Leading politicians and the business community all thought he would soften the anti-Semitism once in power, and they could control him. Wrong!
Hitler was INSANE! So the question in the OP is non applicable.

During that time and before, the catholic church taught LUTHERISM----which was basically that Jews murdered Jesus day in and day out. But Hitler did have jewish friends and liked jews to some degree UNTILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL.....................................................his beloved catholic mothers death. She got sick, I don't remember from what exactly but I think some form of cancer right off the top of my head. And a JEWISH doctor was called.............................she died horribly and in much pain. Hitler blamed the jewish doctor and outwardly hated all jews after.

It's comforting to think that Hitler was somehow more antisemitic than anyone else in 1930s Europe.

In fact, Hitler was merely repeating what has been the dogma of European thought for nearly 2,000 years.

Hitler had enemies in France, England, and many other European countries. But ... the one thing they did see eye-to-eye with Hitler was his theories about Jews.

Even when Paris was occupied by The Nazis, the areas of Free France were more than willing to ship Jews in their territories back to Germany. England too sent Jewish refugees back to Germany, knowing they would immediately be sent to concentration camps. Poles, and other Eastern Europeans actively assisted the Nazis in hunting down and killing Jews even with their countries occupied by Nazis.

It's a fact that antisemitism in Europe was (and in many places still is) as natural as breathing.

The fulfillment of GOD's prophetic Word!
Deuteronomy 28:37
And thou shalt become an astonishment, a proverb, and a byword, among all the peoples whither Jehovah shall lead thee away.

 

[Picaro]

One of Hitler's biggest financial supporters in the very early days was a Jew.
It was the business community that put Hitler in power including Jews, because instability in Germany threatened a communist take over - they would lose everything.
By the time he came to power the particular Jew who helped them was owed so much money, and by that time they'd found out he was a Jew, and his shot up body was found in a hedge after the 'Night of the long knives'.
Leading politicians and the business community all thought he would soften the anti-Semitism once in power, and they could control him. Wrong!
Hitler was INSANE! So the question in the OP is non applicable.

Yes, it has always been so consoling and convenient to say he was insane. The truth is that he was not very different from a lot of his contemporaries, nor from many of ours.

He was addicted to amphetamines, so yeah he had a lot in common with meth heads and other dopers, but then the left loves filling the pockets of drug cartels, biker gangs, etc. with lots of cash as well.

One of the historical ironies of the Nazi scapegoating of Jews is that Jews, especially Jewish bankers, were very pro-German in the WW I era, due to the Kaiser's anti-Russian fetish, which caused a lot of bad press here in the U.S. against Jewish immigrants, meanwhile among the Nazis Hitler was almost alone in his hatred of the Soviet Union, while Himmler and especially Goebbels gushed over the Communists success there no end until Hitler finally got full control of the Party. This all got forgotten in the Versailles propaganda on both sides.

."...but then the left loves filling the pockets of drug cartels, biker gangs, etc. with lots of cash as well."

Ha ha, - you yanks like nothing better than during a serious debate, dropping the most infantile and brain numbing statements as a matter of course. With such a stupid remark Picaro, your credibility has just gone straight out the window.

What ever! Cant be asked! Good day!

lol so you know you're full of shit and didn't need to be reminded. I agree. You dopers have a lot in common with Hitler and worse.

 

[Picaro]

And contrary to what you may have heard, there were Jews who originally supported Hitler.

And contrary to what you believe, Jews aren't a monolithic group with identical political beliefs.

To low information voters, Hitler would have seemed a reasonable alternative to other Weimar alternatives.

It's safe to say any Jew who did support Hitler when his plans started going forward, didn't do so as an openly Jewish person.

And neither are all people who label themselves or a labeled by others "christian" (a monolithic group). And certainly, many people can be taken in by a forgery ----- but certainly not if they personally study the Bible and seek to know the truth... The truth sets one free.

The Bible was compiled from around 400 ad from a selection of old manuscripts. What makes you think that each and every one of them was any more factual and 'true', than the works of William Shakespeare?

This is entirely wrong. What we call the OLD TESTAMENT was totally established when Jesus read and discussed it in the Temple at Jerusalem at age 12. The NEW TESTAMENT's last book (Revelation) was written about 95 AD. Most all the other books were written within 45 years of the death and resurrection of Jesus the Christ. Clearly, it was some time before that cannon was set. They (the works) all agree and the writers had firsthand knowledge (brought back to mind by the HOLY SPIRIT) being in some cases half brothers of Jesus or Apostles or they were someone who worked with an Apostle firsthand.

There was no need for a 'canon' early on, when nearly all the Christian congregations had the same scrolls; the impetus for one came in around 150 A.D. or so, maybe earlier, due to Marcion's attempt to dismiss the Jewish teachings from the sect. Even the Rabbinical Jews at Jabneh decided to develop a 'canon' for Jewish writings at the same time, for the same reason and to compete with the Christian sect's success at willing converts, trying to rebuild the sect in the face of the massive losses they suffered in their revolt. Most of the books were already known and named in various letters between 'bishops' and the like before 100 A.D. with only a couple of exceptions, so it wasn't hard to find agreement among most of the churches early on. They were of course learned in oral form long before that.

As for Revelations, I think the evidence for Timothy 2 being the last 'book' is stronger, mainly because I think the 'John' who wrote Revelations is the same 'John' of the Gospel of John, and would be writing that book over 70 years after the 'Resurrection'. Colossians 1:23-27 and 2 Timothy 3:16-17 indicate Paul finished it before he was executed. These aren't proof, of course just an opinion based on reading of those verses and those who have the same opinion; I see nothing that leads to 96 A.D. other than a tradition, while there are a few verses that imply it was earlier. Of course, 'written' dates are always going to be later than the oral versions original dates, which can't be determined by the texts.

 

[Picaro]

As for Hitler and the Nazis, there is a reason they had to set up the Operation Reinhardt camps outside of Germany, and why they dozed over and landscaped them when they were closed, and why they had to rely on mostly Slavs as the lower lever guards.

 

[Turtlesoup]

One of Hitler's biggest financial supporters in the very early days was a Jew.
It was the business community that put Hitler in power including Jews, because instability in Germany threatened a communist take over - they would lose everything.
By the time he came to power the particular Jew who helped them was owed so much money, and by that time they'd found out he was a Jew, and his shot up body was found in a hedge after the 'Night of the long knives'.
Leading politicians and the business community all thought he would soften the anti-Semitism once in power, and they could control him. Wrong!
Hitler was INSANE! So the question in the OP is non applicable.

During that time and before, the catholic church taught LUTHERISM----which was basically that Jews murdered Jesus day in and day out. But Hitler did have jewish friends and liked jews to some degree UNTILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL.....................................................his beloved catholic mothers death. She got sick, I don't remember from what exactly but I think some form of cancer right off the top of my head. And a JEWISH doctor was called.............................she died horribly and in much pain. Hitler blamed the jewish doctor and outwardly hated all jews after.

It's comforting to think that Hitler was somehow more antisemitic than anyone else in 1930s Europe.

In fact, Hitler was merely repeating what has been the dogma of European thought for nearly 2,000 years.

Hitler had enemies in France, England, and many other European countries. But ... the one thing they did see eye-to-eye with Hitler was his theories about Jews.

Even when Paris was occupied by The Nazis, the areas of Free France were more than willing to ship Jews in their territories back to Germany. England too sent Jewish refugees back to Germany, knowing they would immediately be sent to concentration camps. Poles, and other Eastern Europeans actively assisted the Nazis in hunting down and killing Jews even with their countries occupied by Nazis.

It's a fact that antisemitism in Europe was (and in many places still is) as natural as breathing.

What you are saying is totally untrue. You have never lived in Europe or the UK. Jews are not and have never in modern times been discriminated against in the UK. As for the Vichy French - they were fascists as were the Ukrainians who actually manned the guard posts at Sobibor and Treblinka. Latvian, Lithuanian, Estonian, Polish, Rumanian & Hungarian etc Nationalist/fascists did support Hitler, though as in the case of the Ukraine, Goring's visit declaring them to be treated as slaves tended to turn a lot of them. Slovakia actually paid the Nazis to also take Jewish children after they'd taken their parents.
Britain had Mosley;s 'black shirts' who were a tiny group and usually got beaten up when staging rally's.
Britain's immigration policy was far more lenient than that of the US. Gerry Springer, Ruby Wax, Marianne Faithful. Names you may have heard of, were all taken in by Britain. Read about the 'Kinder Transports'.
Every country has its Right Wing/Nationalist/Fascists. In Britain they are a tiny minority.

Hun--it had to do with being a DIFFERENT TIME--------and the TEACHINGS of MARTIN LUTHER--notorious jew hater who called for the murder of all jews because the jews had killed jesus being taught in the churches. Not just taught---but hammered homed in most weekly sermons THEN.

Martin Luther didn't believe the Jews killed Jesus. He believed like mature true Christians that our sins nailed HIM to the cross. Initially Luther wanted to convert the Jews. However, he became annoyed/indignant that they would reject their Messiah. Luther was a human and as such made his share of mistakes ----- another reason we all need the SAVIOR. You can lead a horse to water... People who keep their eyes on Jesus are far better off than those that focus on some spiritual leader.

OMG..stop. Martin Luther (A GERMAN BTW) was notorious for his hatred of JEWS-------------------and he left a long long long list of comments to show his hatred of everything Jewish. For giggles you should look up Martin Luthers essay entitled the JEWS and their lies. BACK in the forties and earlier, there were many Christian followers of ML's teachings. His teachers was the basis of most sunday sermons in germany and other catholic churches. Long before Hitler called for the murder of jews---the German people thanks to their Catholic and Lutheran churches were already indoctrinated from their birth into the idealogy of hating jews and being done with them. This was the Catholic church teachings that Hitler had been raised in. Times change though as does the Catholic church teachings.

When I was growing up in the 70's and 80's in the bible belt...his teachings would sometimes still popped up but as times changed and culture changed Martin Luther's were largely forgotten and white washed. However, for the fans of Martin Luther King-----------------------------at the time of his birth---Martin Luthers waws notorious for his hate of jews so you know how MLK really was.

Funny that most of the bible thumpers now don't even even have any clue about who Martin Luther really was and are only barely familiar with his name.

 

[LittleNipper]

And contrary to what you may have heard, there were Jews who originally supported Hitler.

And contrary to what you believe, Jews aren't a monolithic group with identical political beliefs.

To low information voters, Hitler would have seemed a reasonable alternative to other Weimar alternatives.

It's safe to say any Jew who did support Hitler when his plans started going forward, didn't do so as an openly Jewish person.

And neither are all people who label themselves or a labeled by others "christian" (a monolithic group). And certainly, many people can be taken in by a forgery ----- but certainly not if they personally study the Bible and seek to know the truth... The truth sets one free.

The Bible was compiled from around 400 ad from a selection of old manuscripts. What makes you think that each and every one of them was any more factual and 'true', than the works of William Shakespeare?

This is entirely wrong. What we call the OLD TESTAMENT was totally established when Jesus read and discussed it in the Temple at Jerusalem at age 12. The NEW TESTAMENT's last book (Revelation) was written about 95 AD. Most all the other books were written within 45 years of the death and resurrection of Jesus the Christ. Clearly, it was some time before that cannon was set. They (the works) all agree and the writers had firsthand knowledge (brought back to mind by the HOLY SPIRIT) being in some cases half brothers of Jesus or Apostles or they were someone who worked with an Apostle firsthand.

There was no need for a 'canon' early on, when nearly all the Christian congregations had the same scrolls; the impetus for one came in around 150 A.D. or so, maybe earlier, due to Marcion's attempt to dismiss the Jewish teachings from the sect. Even the Rabbinical Jews at Jabneh decided to develop a 'canon' for Jewish writings at the same time, for the same reason and to compete with the Christian sect's success at willing converts, trying to rebuild the sect in the face of the massive losses they suffered in their revolt. Most of the books were already known and named in various letters between 'bishops' and the like before 100 A.D. with only a couple of exceptions, so it wasn't hard to find agreement among most of the churches early on. They were of course learned in oral form long before that.

As for Revelations, I think the evidence for Timothy 2 being the last 'book' is stronger, mainly because I think the 'John' who wrote Revelations is the same 'John' of the Gospel of John, and would be writing that book over 70 years after the 'Resurrection'. Colossians 1:23-27 and 2 Timothy 3:16-17 indicate Paul finished it before he was executed. These aren't proof, of course just an opinion based on reading of those verses and those who have the same opinion; I see nothing that leads to 96 A.D. other than a tradition, while there are a few verses that imply it was earlier. Of course, 'written' dates are always going to be later than the oral versions original dates, which can't be determined by the texts.

Here is another Take on First and Second Timothy: Dating the New Testament - Timothy
Also Jesus was likely crucified in 33 AD.

 

[Picaro]

A couple of links for the Peanut Gallery. The Wiki article is well sourced, and the cites I'm familiar with are sound. The other is a cite from the Hitler Youth Handbook, found at archive.org for the complete text.

Religious views of Adolf Hitler - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

On the German People and Its Territory)

A textbook for the Hitler Youth.

research.calvin.edu

"{Background: This material comes from a booklet of material for Hitler Youth leaders. I translate the sections dealing specifically with race, though to the Nazi mind race and soil (Blut und Boden) were inextricably related. This material provided leaders with the background they needed to convey Nazi racial thinking to young boys.


The source: Fritz Bennecke (ed.), Vom deutschen Volk und seinem Lebensraum. Handbuch für die Schulung in der HJ (Munich: Franz Eher, 1937). Paul Gierlichs is listed is listed as Bearbeiter.


Even today, National Socialism’s racial thinking has implacable opponents. Freemasonry, Marxism, and the Christian churches make common cause in this matter. World Freemasonry conceals its Jewish plans of world domination behind slogans of “humanity.” The Jew and the Turk can achieve its degrees just as well as the Christian. Marxism has the same goals as Freemasonry. To conceal its true aims, it used the slogan of “Equality, Freedom, and Brotherhood.” Under Jewish leadership, Marxism wants to unite everything “that has a human face.”

The Christian church, above all the Roman Catholic Church, rejects racial thinking by claiming that “All men are equal before God.” All who are of the Christian faith, be they Jew, a Negro from the jungle, or white, are better and more valuable to it than a German who is not a Christian. Saving faith is the only bond.

Proof that the Roman Catholic Church is acting against its better knowledge in rejecting racial thinking is clear from the following facts. There was once a danger that Jesuit goals would be subverted or redirected by Jewish members.The result was a ban on Jews becoming Jesuits. Today the danger is long past and the church wants to forget about it.

Why do we find the nonsense about human equality in Freemasonry, Marxism, and the Christian church? All three are more or less striving for world power. They therefore have to be “international.” They can never accept racial, ethnic, or national ties between people without giving up their goals.

Despite these major opponents, however, racial thinking is constantly winning ground. Truth is gradually winning. We need only think of the growing front of countries that are resisting the destructive influence of Jewry. And we recall the immigration laws of many countries that ban Jews or other unwanted groups.

But we do not want to remain with superficial matters. We need still greater clarity in this matter. Only then can we understand the fourth point of the program of the National Socialist German Workers’ Party, which says:

“Only racial comrades may be citizens. A racial comrade must be of German blood, without regard to religion. No Jew can be a racial comrade.”}"

... and a lot more on Da Evul Xians in the handbook. The plan was to indoctrinate the youth and let Christianity die out with the 'old people', much as the Soviet Union had to do with the Orthodox churches there. Until then, the Party would have to make political concessions to religious sects.

The Hitler Youth (die Hitlerjugend) : basic handbook : Allied Forces. Supreme Headquarters. Counter Intelligence Sub-division. : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

Allied dossier on the Hitler Youth

archive.org

THE NAZI PRIMER : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

THE NAZI PRIMER. Official handbook for schooling the Hitler Youth.

archive.org

 

[Picaro]

One of Hitler's biggest financial supporters in the very early days was a Jew.
It was the business community that put Hitler in power including Jews, because instability in Germany threatened a communist take over - they would lose everything.
By the time he came to power the particular Jew who helped them was owed so much money, and by that time they'd found out he was a Jew, and his shot up body was found in a hedge after the 'Night of the long knives'.
Leading politicians and the business community all thought he would soften the anti-Semitism once in power, and they could control him. Wrong!
Hitler was INSANE! So the question in the OP is non applicable.

During that time and before, the catholic church taught LUTHERISM----which was basically that Jews murdered Jesus day in and day out. But Hitler did have jewish friends and liked jews to some degree UNTILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL.....................................................his beloved catholic mothers death. She got sick, I don't remember from what exactly but I think some form of cancer right off the top of my head. And a JEWISH doctor was called.............................she died horribly and in much pain. Hitler blamed the jewish doctor and outwardly hated all jews after.

It's comforting to think that Hitler was somehow more antisemitic than anyone else in 1930s Europe.

In fact, Hitler was merely repeating what has been the dogma of European thought for nearly 2,000 years.

Hitler had enemies in France, England, and many other European countries. But ... the one thing they did see eye-to-eye with Hitler was his theories about Jews.

Even when Paris was occupied by The Nazis, the areas of Free France were more than willing to ship Jews in their territories back to Germany. England too sent Jewish refugees back to Germany, knowing they would immediately be sent to concentration camps. Poles, and other Eastern Europeans actively assisted the Nazis in hunting down and killing Jews even with their countries occupied by Nazis.

It's a fact that antisemitism in Europe was (and in many places still is) as natural as breathing.

What you are saying is totally untrue. You have never lived in Europe or the UK. Jews are not and have never in modern times been discriminated against in the UK. As for the Vichy French - they were fascists as were the Ukrainians who actually manned the guard posts at Sobibor and Treblinka. Latvian, Lithuanian, Estonian, Polish, Rumanian & Hungarian etc Nationalist/fascists did support Hitler, though as in the case of the Ukraine, Goring's visit declaring them to be treated as slaves tended to turn a lot of them. Slovakia actually paid the Nazis to also take Jewish children after they'd taken their parents.
Britain had Mosley;s 'black shirts' who were a tiny group and usually got beaten up when staging rally's.
Britain's immigration policy was far more lenient than that of the US. Gerry Springer, Ruby Wax, Marianne Faithful. Names you may have heard of, were all taken in by Britain. Read about the 'Kinder Transports'.
Every country has its Right Wing/Nationalist/Fascists. In Britain they are a tiny minority.

Hun--it had to do with being a DIFFERENT TIME--------and the TEACHINGS of MARTIN LUTHER--notorious jew hater who called for the murder of all jews because the jews had killed jesus being taught in the churches. Not just taught---but hammered homed in most weekly sermons THEN.

Martin Luther didn't believe the Jews killed Jesus. He believed like mature true Christians that our sins nailed HIM to the cross. Initially Luther wanted to convert the Jews. However, he became annoyed/indignant that they would reject their Messiah. Luther was a human and as such made his share of mistakes ----- another reason we all need the SAVIOR. You can lead a horse to water... People who keep their eyes on Jesus are far better off than those that focus on some spiritual leader.

OMG..stop. Martin Luther (A GERMAN BTW) was notorious for his hatred of JEWS-------------------and he left a long long long list of comments to show his hatred of everything Jewish. For giggles you should look up Martin Luthers essay entitled the JEWS and their lies. BACK in the forties and earlier, there were many Christian followers of ML's teachings. His teachers was the basis of most sunday sermons in germany and other catholic churches. Long before Hitler called for the murder of jews---the German people thanks to their Catholic and Lutheran churches were already indoctrinated from their birth into the idealogy of hating jews and being done with them. This was the Catholic church teachings that Hitler had been raised in. Times change though as does the Catholic church teachings.

When I was growing up in the 70's and 80's in the bible belt...his teachings would sometimes still popped up but as times changed and culture changed Martin Luther's were largely forgotten and white washed. However, for the fans of Martin Luther King-----------------------------at the time of his birth---Martin Luthers waws notorious for his hate of jews so you know how MLK really was.

Funny that most of the bible thumpers now don't even even have any clue about who Martin Luther really was and are only barely familiar with his name.

Yes. But. earlier than this he wrote an anti-papal screed against the Vatican where he praised Judaism and promoted tolerance for them. He tried to implement a Jewish-Christian alliance re religious writings but the Jewish Rabbis who ran the ghettos as personal fiefs were their typical asshole selves and they pissed him off. He still opposed the riots and mob violence his screeds generated, but the hate and loathing generated by Jewish tax collection among the peasants for the state was too deep and strong; the fact is the hate was mostly political and not 'antisemitism', especially in eastern Europe, where the Jewish bureaucrats and tax officials extorted a largely Russian Orthodox peasantry under the protection of a Polish Catholic nobility for hundreds of years.

Most of what people refer to as 'bible thumpers' are evangelical sects, most derived from Calvinism, not Lutheranism, which along with Anglicans and Episcopalians remained essentially Catholic in practice, they just didn't recognize the Popes or send money to Rome, the latter one of Luther's main peeves; the Vatican kept dreaming up fees for peasant to have to pay, in order to pay back loans to bankers and moneylenders.

 

[ChemEngineer]

Hitler was a Christian, indeed.

Says the atheist...



According to Baldur von Schirach, the Nazi leader of the German youth corps that would later be known as the Hitler Youth, ''the destruction of Christianity was explicitly recognized as a purpose of the National Socialist movement'' from the beginning, though ''considerations of expedience made it impossible'' for the movement to adopt this radical stance officially until it had consolidated power, the outline says.

Attracted by the strategic value inherent in the churches' ''historic mission of conservative social discipline,'' the Nazis simply lied and made deals with the churches while planning a ''slow and cautious policy of gradual encroachment'' to eliminate Christianity.

Word for Word/The Case Against the Nazis; How Hitler's Forces Planned To Destroy German Christianity

Word for Word column excerpts ouline prepared for Nuremberg prosecutors on Nazi plan to subvert and destroy German Christianity as integral part of scheme of world conquest; photo; papers were collected by late Gen William J Donovan and edited by Julie Seltzer Mandel (M)

www.nytimes.com

 

[K9Buck]

I do not see the fruits of the spirit exhibited in HITLER's views or politics: https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2019/04/20/hitler-hated-judaism-he-loathed-christianity-too/

On the other hand, Germany was a decidedly xtian country and all of his followers were at least nominally members of that faith.

True, but most were not Nazis. And once a dictator gets into power, it is very hard to unseat him. However, consider the following: Was Adolf Hitler a Christian? - a report on How Hitler Viewed God - The 700 Club | CBN.com

Immediately after World War 2, 99% of Germans claimed to never has supported Hitler. Just like every Italian claimed to hate Mussolini and Frenchman claimed to have been in the resistance.

That's like the 99% of libtards that deny voting for Hillary.