Zone1 Was Eve expelled from Eden, or did she leave with Adam?

[rylah]

What did Adam say to Eve before
she gave him of the fruit,

or before that?

And what makes cattle,
different from man?

 

[ding]

Sure, as in God's judgement isn't 'good enough'
for your holier than pope dogma?

There's nothing in the text
about denying accountability.
Eve gave credit to the Serpent,
and Adam gave full credit to Eve.
Credit is due to the completion of creation.

That is among the reasons Eve was never banished.

There's no reason to bring the pope in this.

I've already explained this to you. I shouldn't need to explain it again.

If you want to believe it's good to rebel against God, go for it.

 

[rylah]

There's no reason to bring the pope in this.

I've already explained this to you. I shouldn't need to explain it again.

If you want to believe it's good to rebel against God, go for it.

Is gaslighting all you've got?
That's the 3rd accusation you throw
against Eve, without any text reference.

Pope merely represents the religion which slanders Eve,
in complete contradiction to God's praise of the 6th day.

 

[BreezeWood]

There's always accountability when one normalizes their deviance from the standard. It just takes time sometimes for it to be realized.

Look around at the shithole you live in for proof.

there is no accountability necessary for the religion of servitude and denial -

in your case the standard is a bible written by the crucifiers in the 4th century - a shitehole three in one desert religion.

 

[rylah]

Breathe, for every love, for every disappointment
For every fall has its place
For every touch, for every thought
Every soul has a dream

Because it cannot be any other way
She too is surely dreaming you right now

Breathe, at the edge of fearful nights
Empty of answers
Dream, ask questions, make mistakes
Just do not forget to return
To yourself toward evening
At the hour when all the lights go out

Remember, all the unforgettable days with her in life
Remember, all the sweetest scratches
She had in her head
Remember, because it cannot be any other way
She too is surely remembering you right now

Guard, because it cannot be any other way
She too is surely breathing you right now

Years away from here
Or three glasses of arak
She is outside of time

 

[Divine Wind]

What if Eve was not expelled from the Garden of Eden at all?

The argument goes like this.
God's command was:
“From the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, you shall not eat from it.”
But when the woman eats, the text says she took from the fruit and ate.
Later, when the man speaks, he says:
“She gave me from the tree, and I ate.”
So this reading makes a very sharp distinction:

• The woman ate from the fruit
• Adam ate from the tree itself
• That means the man, not the woman, directly violated the command

Then look at the expulsion itself. The verse says:
“And He drove out Adam”
It does not say: “He drove out the man and the woman.”
So the claim is simple but radical:
Adam was expelled from Eden. Eve was not.

According to this approach, Eve then left Eden to live with Adam in this world, because without that there could be no marriage, no children, and no human future.

And perhaps that is why women often feel less at home in this world than men do. In this view, man is more tied to the work of this world, while woman remains more connected to a more complete world, closer to Eden. Marriage, then, is not just a partnership between two people. It is the meeting of this world and a higher world.

What do you think?

Source: בראשית - חוה - אם כל חי (סיכום)

It's a creation myth borrowed from the Sumerian one. It shouldn't be taken literally. Let's not forget that there's over 2,400 years between Adam and when Moses wrote the first five books of the Bible. That's a lot of time around the campfires telling stories. Anyone who knows the game "Telephone" knows how that can lead to flaws.

There are multiple flaws in the story and throughout Genesis.
Examples:
1. If God is omniscient, how come God didn't know what Adam and Eve would do? Even more relevant is why God didn't know what Lucifer would do?
2. Genesis 1:26 26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness." It's not the first time Genesis has God talking to others using a plural first person pronoun. Genesis 3:22 and 11:7 do it too.

 

[ding]

Is gaslighting all you've got?
That's the 3rd accusation you throw
against Eve, without any text reference.

It's not my fault you took a poor tack. I haven't made any accusations against Eve. That's all in you head. You are tilting at windmills.

Pope merely represents the religion which slanders Eve,

So that's what this is all about? SMH. No one has slandered Eve.

in complete contradiction to God's praise of the 6th day.

The fall of man has nothing to do with that. You need a new rabbi.

 

[ding]

The Catholic Church does not slander Eve. Instead, it teaches that she, along with Adam, is a foundational figure in human history who was created in grace, fell to temptation, and was ultimately saved by Christ. [1, 2, 3, 4]

The Catholic Perspective on Eve
Catholic teaching views Eve with theological complexity and historical reverence rather than malicious defamation:

• Creation and Dignity: The Church recognizes Eve as the "mother of all the living" (Genesis 3:20). According to the Catechism of the Catholic Church, she and Adam were created in a pristine state of original holiness, harmony, and friendship with God. [1, 2]
• The Fall: The Church acknowledges that Eve committed the personal sin of eating the forbidden fruit, which introduced Original Sin and brokenness into human nature. However, this is viewed as a universal tragedy of human free will rather than a targeted condemnation of womanhood. [1, 2, 3, 4]
• The "Sin of Adam": Catholic theology often emphasizes that the responsibility for the Fall rests heavily on Adam. As the head of the human household, he was present with her and failed in his duty to protect and guide her, leading many theologians to focus on the "sin of Adam" as the catalyst for humanity's fall. [1]

Mary as the "New Eve"
The Church elevates Eve’s role in salvation history by contrasting her with the Virgin Mary, whom Catholics revere as the "New Eve."

• While the first Eve's disobedience brought about the Fall, Mary's obedience (her "let it be done to me" at the Annunciation) contributed directly to human redemption. This parallel highlights Eve's exalted status in Catholic theology as a pivotal figure who necessitated God's ultimate plan of salvation.

Salvation and Legacy
Most importantly, Catholic tradition does not see Eve as eternally condemned. Citing ancient writings, the Church holds that after their lives of sorrow, repentance, and waiting, Adam and Eve were liberated from the realm of the dead by Christ following his resurrection and welcomed into heaven. Rather than slandering her, the Church honors her as the first mother of humanity.

 

[hobelim]

And what makes cattle,
different from man?

Cattle are herd animals led by the nose that always have their eyes to the ground and don't have enough sense to either "look up" or get out of the rain, just like Nebuchadnezzar lived like a wild beast for seven years before his sanity was restored after he acknowledged that the living God reigns over the minds and lives of men, even self centered narcissistic kings.

Man was created to stand upright, unlike herd animals, and ruminate as an individual (not as a "we" or an "us") that reflects the image and likeness of a Holy (separate) God who is one.

 

[hobelim]

It's a creation myth borrowed from the Sumerian one. It shouldn't be taken literally. Let's not forget that there's over 2,400 years between Adam and when Moses wrote the first five books of the Bible. That's a lot of time around the campfires telling stories. Anyone who knows the game "Telephone" knows how that can lead to flaws.

There are multiple flaws in the story and throughout Genesis.
Examples:
1. If God is omniscient, how come God didn't know what Adam and Eve would do? Even more relevant is why God didn't know what Lucifer would do?
2. Genesis 1:26 26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness." It's not the first time Genesis has God talking to others using a plural first person pronoun. Genesis 3:22 and 11:7 do it too.

Every contradiction in the bible including any tale that contradicts what is well known to be true about reality is like a giant X on a treasure map marking the exact place where something of great value was buried and hidden. Most of those questions are irrelevant. As irrelevant as questioning how a fairy could turn Pinocchio, a puppet, into a real boy. If thats what a person focuses on they will miss the whole point of the story, the lessons taught.