Warren Commission was correct........Oswald acted alone

[Soupnazi630]

Ruby was playing to the conspiracy nut jobs and telling them what they want to hear

Very common with convicts

Give it up you stupid, stupid bastard! That doesn't even make sense and how does that remotely benefit Ruby in any possible way? You are grasping at straws all the time. It's pathetic.

Every day you try another imbecilic angle and every day it gets shoved back in your undoubtedly pathetic face.
And then you go back and recycle old lame points over and over again.

You are simply sad. Very pitiful.

How childish.

You know you have lost the argument when that is how you respond.

 

[rightwinger]

Ruby was playing to the conspiracy nut jobs and telling them what they want to hear

Very common with convicts

Give it up you stupid, stupid bastard! That doesn't even make sense and how does that remotely benefit Ruby in any possible way? You are grasping at straws all the time. It's pathetic.

Every day you try another imbecilic angle and every day it gets shoved back in your undoubtedly pathetic face.
And then you go back and recycle old lame points over and over again.

You are simply sad. Very pitiful.

Ruby told them what they wanted to hear
What you can’t refute is that his actions that day contradict any conspiracy with the mob or anyone else

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

Ruby told them what they wanted to hear
What you can’t refute is that his actions that day contradict any conspiracy with the mob or anyone else

You don't even know who "they" are. Suck on that. You've got a big mouth and a tiny brain that just keeps grasping at straws over and over and over again.

I can refute your claim and have done so. Ruby's statement is corroborated by his employee and you can go back and check my citation if you don't believe it.

You have been throwing shit against a wall....Ruby was enraged by Oswald's smirk, he didn't know Oswald ws being held by the Dallas PD, etc. So desperately sad the way you know nothing about the matter but try to dispute Ruby's own comments.

 

[hunarcy]

The problem is that you are trying to assign "logic" to people who were seemingly operating off emotions. The same with the assassination of President McKinley. Irrational people can't be explained by logic.

Ok.

If you were watching this from Mars and were told that the guy who shot the most powerful man in the world it would probably surprise you. If you were told the man was arrested…it would probably not surprise you. If you were told that the guy who killed the President was killed while in custody..it would shock you.

Now…if you were told that the reason both gunmen did what they did was unknown and there was no connection, no obvious motivation, and no known reason…you’d call bullshit or whatever the Martian word for Bullshit is.

This is without knowing the details of Oswald’s odd actions after killing Kennedy, without knowing Ruby’s sordid past, and without knowing there backgrounds of both men.

Again, you're trying to find rational motivations from irrational people. The "most powerful man in the world" was driving around in a convertible to be accessible to the people of Dallas, which made him vulnerable. Did rational people suggest that he not drive in a convertible? Yes. Did he take their advice? No.

Not sure what the premise is… Kennedy was being irrational?

Perhaps a bit.

Lee Oswald thought of himself as important, in spite of the evidence to the contrary. He felt that the American Presidents exploited the working man. He made statements that he wanted to kill Eisenhower but never was close enough to kill him. Circumstances gave him the opportunity with JFK. I agree it was not rational, but in spite of appearances, Oswald was not a rational person.

Lee Harvey Oswald's Motives in Killing John Kennedy

He was rational enough to go get his rifle, wrap it in paper, concoct a story about what was in it. And kill the President. He was rational enough to take a bus to Mexico. He was rational enough to get into the USSR and Cuban embassies in Mexico City despite the intel services we had watching the embassies down there who (allegedly) say they never saw him go in.

As for the statements:

Lee Oswald thought of himself as important, in spite of the evidence to the contrary. He felt that the American Presidents exploited the working man. He made statements that he wanted to kill Eisenhower but never was close enough to kill him. Circumstances gave him the opportunity with JFK. I agree it was not rational, but in spite of appearances, Oswald was not a rational person.

Seems to me—just my opinion—that today we have a bumper crop of irrationality mixed with more guns being available than ever before. If this was all that it took, we’d have people capping public officials all day long. Yes the Secret Service are the best of the best. Governors have no SS protection. Unfortunately, as we saw, congressmen have no protection, mayors, ambassadors, or even judges….nada.

The lone nut theory doesn’t make sense in light of today’s circumstances.

Today, the lone nuts have found that they can get attention by shooting up schools, malls and other soft targets.

Really? Do you remember the names off the top of your head of; San Bernardino? The guy who shot Scalise? The Las Vegas Shooter’s name. I don’t.

Nope, but I said they get attention, not become famous. nice try, though.

 

[candycorn]

Ok.

If you were watching this from Mars and were told that the guy who shot the most powerful man in the world it would probably surprise you. If you were told the man was arrested…it would probably not surprise you. If you were told that the guy who killed the President was killed while in custody..it would shock you.

Now…if you were told that the reason both gunmen did what they did was unknown and there was no connection, no obvious motivation, and no known reason…you’d call bullshit or whatever the Martian word for Bullshit is.

This is without knowing the details of Oswald’s odd actions after killing Kennedy, without knowing Ruby’s sordid past, and without knowing there backgrounds of both men.

Again, you're trying to find rational motivations from irrational people. The "most powerful man in the world" was driving around in a convertible to be accessible to the people of Dallas, which made him vulnerable. Did rational people suggest that he not drive in a convertible? Yes. Did he take their advice? No.

Not sure what the premise is… Kennedy was being irrational?

Perhaps a bit.

Lee Oswald thought of himself as important, in spite of the evidence to the contrary. He felt that the American Presidents exploited the working man. He made statements that he wanted to kill Eisenhower but never was close enough to kill him. Circumstances gave him the opportunity with JFK. I agree it was not rational, but in spite of appearances, Oswald was not a rational person.

Lee Harvey Oswald's Motives in Killing John Kennedy

He was rational enough to go get his rifle, wrap it in paper, concoct a story about what was in it. And kill the President. He was rational enough to take a bus to Mexico. He was rational enough to get into the USSR and Cuban embassies in Mexico City despite the intel services we had watching the embassies down there who (allegedly) say they never saw him go in.

As for the statements:

Lee Oswald thought of himself as important, in spite of the evidence to the contrary. He felt that the American Presidents exploited the working man. He made statements that he wanted to kill Eisenhower but never was close enough to kill him. Circumstances gave him the opportunity with JFK. I agree it was not rational, but in spite of appearances, Oswald was not a rational person.

Seems to me—just my opinion—that today we have a bumper crop of irrationality mixed with more guns being available than ever before. If this was all that it took, we’d have people capping public officials all day long. Yes the Secret Service are the best of the best. Governors have no SS protection. Unfortunately, as we saw, congressmen have no protection, mayors, ambassadors, or even judges….nada.

The lone nut theory doesn’t make sense in light of today’s circumstances.

Today, the lone nuts have found that they can get attention by shooting up schools, malls and other soft targets.

Really? Do you remember the names off the top of your head of; San Bernardino? The guy who shot Scalise? The Las Vegas Shooter’s name. I don’t.

Nope, but I said they get attention, not become famous. nice try, though.

Then it is an apples to oranges comparison.

 

[candycorn]

Ruby told them what they wanted to hear
What you can’t refute is that his actions that day contradict any conspiracy with the mob or anyone else

You don't even know who "they" are. Suck on that. You've got a big mouth and a tiny brain that just keeps grasping at straws over and over and over again.

I can refute your claim and have done so. Ruby's statement is corroborated by his employee and you can go back and check my citation if you don't believe it.

You have been throwing shit against a wall....Ruby was enraged by Oswald's smirk, he didn't know Oswald ws being held by the Dallas PD, etc. So desperately sad the way you know nothing about the matter but try to dispute Ruby's own comments.

Possibly the worst thing that has happened to conspiracy theorists is that whenever some face opposition, sometimes they start acting like you.

 

[rightwinger]

Ruby told them what they wanted to hear
What you can’t refute is that his actions that day contradict any conspiracy with the mob or anyone else

You don't even know who "they" are. Suck on that. You've got a big mouth and a tiny brain that just keeps grasping at straws over and over and over again.

I can refute your claim and have done so. Ruby's statement is corroborated by his employee and you can go back and check my citation if you don't believe it.

You have been throwing shit against a wall....Ruby was enraged by Oswald's smirk, he didn't know Oswald ws being held by the Dallas PD, etc. So desperately sad the way you know nothing about the matter but try to dispute Ruby's own comments.

They are nutcase conspiracy theorists who will believe any wild statement that supports their theory

Your theory holds no water as you still can’t provide a legitimate reason for Ruby to be at Western Union

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

They are nutcase conspiracy theorists who will believe any wild statement that supports their theory

Your theory holds no water as you still can’t provide a legitimate reason for Ruby to be at Western Union

He sent money to a dancer.

 

[hunarcy]

Again, you're trying to find rational motivations from irrational people. The "most powerful man in the world" was driving around in a convertible to be accessible to the people of Dallas, which made him vulnerable. Did rational people suggest that he not drive in a convertible? Yes. Did he take their advice? No.

Not sure what the premise is… Kennedy was being irrational?

Perhaps a bit.

Lee Oswald thought of himself as important, in spite of the evidence to the contrary. He felt that the American Presidents exploited the working man. He made statements that he wanted to kill Eisenhower but never was close enough to kill him. Circumstances gave him the opportunity with JFK. I agree it was not rational, but in spite of appearances, Oswald was not a rational person.

Lee Harvey Oswald's Motives in Killing John Kennedy

He was rational enough to go get his rifle, wrap it in paper, concoct a story about what was in it. And kill the President. He was rational enough to take a bus to Mexico. He was rational enough to get into the USSR and Cuban embassies in Mexico City despite the intel services we had watching the embassies down there who (allegedly) say they never saw him go in.

As for the statements:

Lee Oswald thought of himself as important, in spite of the evidence to the contrary. He felt that the American Presidents exploited the working man. He made statements that he wanted to kill Eisenhower but never was close enough to kill him. Circumstances gave him the opportunity with JFK. I agree it was not rational, but in spite of appearances, Oswald was not a rational person.

Seems to me—just my opinion—that today we have a bumper crop of irrationality mixed with more guns being available than ever before. If this was all that it took, we’d have people capping public officials all day long. Yes the Secret Service are the best of the best. Governors have no SS protection. Unfortunately, as we saw, congressmen have no protection, mayors, ambassadors, or even judges….nada.

The lone nut theory doesn’t make sense in light of today’s circumstances.

Today, the lone nuts have found that they can get attention by shooting up schools, malls and other soft targets.

Really? Do you remember the names off the top of your head of; San Bernardino? The guy who shot Scalise? The Las Vegas Shooter’s name. I don’t.

Nope, but I said they get attention, not become famous. nice try, though.

Then it is an apples to oranges comparison.

No, it's a recognition that things have changed with the advent of social media.

 

[candycorn]

Not sure what the premise is… Kennedy was being irrational?

Perhaps a bit.


He was rational enough to go get his rifle, wrap it in paper, concoct a story about what was in it. And kill the President. He was rational enough to take a bus to Mexico. He was rational enough to get into the USSR and Cuban embassies in Mexico City despite the intel services we had watching the embassies down there who (allegedly) say they never saw him go in.

As for the statements:

Lee Oswald thought of himself as important, in spite of the evidence to the contrary. He felt that the American Presidents exploited the working man. He made statements that he wanted to kill Eisenhower but never was close enough to kill him. Circumstances gave him the opportunity with JFK. I agree it was not rational, but in spite of appearances, Oswald was not a rational person.

Seems to me—just my opinion—that today we have a bumper crop of irrationality mixed with more guns being available than ever before. If this was all that it took, we’d have people capping public officials all day long. Yes the Secret Service are the best of the best. Governors have no SS protection. Unfortunately, as we saw, congressmen have no protection, mayors, ambassadors, or even judges….nada.

The lone nut theory doesn’t make sense in light of today’s circumstances.

Today, the lone nuts have found that they can get attention by shooting up schools, malls and other soft targets.

Really? Do you remember the names off the top of your head of; San Bernardino? The guy who shot Scalise? The Las Vegas Shooter’s name. I don’t.

Nope, but I said they get attention, not become famous. nice try, though.

Then it is an apples to oranges comparison.

No, it's a recognition that things have changed with the advent of social media.

Social Media? Wow…that makes no sense. Really. Social Media?

The problem with the “Oswald wanted to be a big man” theory is that it contradicts his actions after he shot Kennedy. Why run? Why not just stay up there and admit to everything? If he got away…he would have been anonymous and the actions he took after killing JFK were certainly not meant to draw attention to himself.

 

[rightwinger]

They are nutcase conspiracy theorists who will believe any wild statement that supports their theory

Your theory holds no water as you still can’t provide a legitimate reason for Ruby to be at Western Union

He sent money to a dancer.

He sure did

Why would he risk missing the transfer of Oswald so he could send money to a dancer? There is no evidence of Ruby at the police station before he went to the Western Union office.

 

[rightwinger]

Today, the lone nuts have found that they can get attention by shooting up schools, malls and other soft targets.

Really? Do you remember the names off the top of your head of; San Bernardino? The guy who shot Scalise? The Las Vegas Shooter’s name. I don’t.

Nope, but I said they get attention, not become famous. nice try, though.

Then it is an apples to oranges comparison.

No, it's a recognition that things have changed with the advent of social media.

Social Media? Wow…that makes no sense. Really. Social Media?

The problem with the “Oswald wanted to be a big man” theory is that it contradicts his actions after he shot Kennedy. Why run? Why not just stay up there and admit to everything? If he got away…he would have been anonymous and the actions he took after killing JFK were certainly not meant to draw attention to himself.

Chicken shit after the fact

Why did Tim McVeigh not take credit for Oklahoma City?
Why did John Wilkes Booth run?

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

He sure did

Why would he risk missing the transfer of Oswald so he could send money to a dancer?

Maybe you greatly exaggerate the risk due to your ignorance of the situation. Ruby did send the money. Ruby did shoot Oswald. Case closed.

There is no evidence of Ruby at the police station before he went to the Western Union office.

And no evidence he wasn't there either.

Ruby's own words are on the record giving his motivation for shooting Oswald. What have you got to counter that?

Nothing.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Today, the lone nuts have found that they can get attention by shooting up schools, malls and other soft targets.

Really? Do you remember the names off the top of your head of; San Bernardino? The guy who shot Scalise? The Las Vegas Shooter’s name. I don’t.

Nope, but I said they get attention, not become famous. nice try, though.

Then it is an apples to oranges comparison.

No, it's a recognition that things have changed with the advent of social media.

Social Media? Wow…that makes no sense. Really. Social Media?

The problem with the “Oswald wanted to be a big man” theory is that it contradicts his actions after he shot Kennedy. Why run? Why not just stay up there and admit to everything? If he got away…he would have been anonymous and the actions he took after killing JFK were certainly not meant to draw attention to himself.

Your question ignores human nature.

It is not unusual at all to have conflicting and mixed motives and actions particularly when one commits drastic actions. John wilkes Boothe tried to escape also.

Any human motivated to commit political violence will also very likely be motivated by self preservation which will cause exactly the sort of behavior which you call contradictory.

Oswalds actions are a mix of fatalism and desperation to get away with it and escape. He prepped for this crime in a fatalistic way by leaving almost all of his money and his wedding ring with his wife. In the other hand when then opportunity arose to slip away he took it. Of course to a rational observer this seems contradictory but not to one in such a situation.

Part of his brain knew he was not going to get away with it but another part is thinking maybe he can. This sort of irrational behavior is normal in people who do irrational things such as murder.

 

[Soupnazi630]

He sure did

Why would he risk missing the transfer of Oswald so he could send money to a dancer?

Maybe you greatly exaggerate the risk due to your ignorance of the situation. Ruby did send the money. Ruby did shoot Oswald. Case closed.

There is no evidence of Ruby at the police station before he went to the Western Union office.

And no evidence he wasn't there either.

Ruby's own words are on the record giving his motivation for shooting Oswald. What have you got to counter that?

Nothing.

His words after the trial and conviction which you ignore.

After convicted he admitted his guilt and consistently maintained he acted alone

The burden is not on anyone to prove he was not in the police station the burden is on you to prove he was

You have no evidence

 

[candycorn]

Really? Do you remember the names off the top of your head of; San Bernardino? The guy who shot Scalise? The Las Vegas Shooter’s name. I don’t.

Nope, but I said they get attention, not become famous. nice try, though.

Then it is an apples to oranges comparison.

No, it's a recognition that things have changed with the advent of social media.

Social Media? Wow…that makes no sense. Really. Social Media?

The problem with the “Oswald wanted to be a big man” theory is that it contradicts his actions after he shot Kennedy. Why run? Why not just stay up there and admit to everything? If he got away…he would have been anonymous and the actions he took after killing JFK were certainly not meant to draw attention to himself.

Chicken shit after the fact

Why did Tim McVeigh not take credit for Oklahoma City?
Why did John Wilkes Booth run?

You guys are the ones saying Oswald was seeking glory. I think he was closer to a coward than a fanatic.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Nope, but I said they get attention, not become famous. nice try, though.

Then it is an apples to oranges comparison.

No, it's a recognition that things have changed with the advent of social media.

Social Media? Wow…that makes no sense. Really. Social Media?

The problem with the “Oswald wanted to be a big man” theory is that it contradicts his actions after he shot Kennedy. Why run? Why not just stay up there and admit to everything? If he got away…he would have been anonymous and the actions he took after killing JFK were certainly not meant to draw attention to himself.

Chicken shit after the fact

Why did Tim McVeigh not take credit for Oklahoma City?
Why did John Wilkes Booth run?

You guys are the ones saying Oswald was seeking glory. I think he was closer to a coward than a fanatic.

No one said he was seeking glory.

Instead what has been said many times is that glory may have been one part of complicated motives. He did in fact attempt to commit murder for political reasons before Kennedy. And his intended targets were not nearly so famous as to earn him notoriety. We can prove he did it and we can even prove he acted alone despite the best efforts of conspiracy nuts to say otherwise.

What will never be completely resolved is why he did it. HE is of course dead and we can only make educated guesses. Much the same way we cannot really be certain why Hitler hated jews and tried to exterminate him only that he did.

In the end the motive is less important than the evidence that he certainly committed the crime

 

[rightwinger]

Oswald acted on his own and had nobody helping him

If he did....he wouldn’t have had to take the bus after shooting Kennedy

 

[gipper]

Oswald acted on his own and had nobody helping him

If he did....he wouldn’t have had to take the bus after shooting Kennedy

Silly. He took the bus because he was the patsy.

 

[rightwinger]

Oswald acted on his own and had nobody helping him

If he did....he wouldn’t have had to take the bus after shooting Kennedy

Silly. He took the bus because he was the patsy.

OK Lee...we are here to help you
Here is 15 cents for bus fare

Looks like CIA, Mafia or the Russians
They have deep pockets