Warren Commission was correct........Oswald acted alone

[westwall]

So, I did a little digging, and oswald shot a 212 after three weeks of intensive training. That's two points above the minimum for Sharp Shooter Which is less than Expert for those who don't know. It is the middle level of accuracy, that was in December of 1956. Then, in May 1959 he barely qualified as Marksman as in he made it by a single point. Marksmanship is a very perishable skill. If you're not practicing, you're losing it. So, by the time of the kennedy job, he was probably back down to where he would normally be...able to hit the side of a barn from the inside.

212 is sharpshooter.

I never claimed it was expert. The fact is he was not a poor shot.

HE did in fact conduct a lot of practice as his wife testified to.

The shooting itself was not difficult and the average deer hunter who shoots two or three times a year.

It is BARELY Sharpshooter. Under exceptionally controlled conditions and with a SGT at your elbow helping you do your best. The 1959 score is far more indicative of his actual ability. Your argument is specious at best.

Still sharpshooter and still USMC standards which are higher. Than any other,

My argument is sound. He had the skill to do it which is plain and simple he was no poor shot.

The standards are the same as for any branch of service. He lacked the skill, the target was moving away and lower than the shooter, which makes the shot far more difficult. Add to that the oak tree that obscured the target for a significant period of time, and the fact that he had to make all three shots that we know for certain were fired within a very short span of time and yet again, you help the CT people and not you.

He better leave the thread now or his bosses at Langley will not happy.

His problem is he doesn't know shit about guns, and i do. I am a long range precision shooter so know exactly what the issues are. Like I said, I am not convinced either way that there was a conspiracy to kill kennedy. There is ample evidence that shows oswald acted alone. However, there is also compelling, factual, evidence that says he was a part of some bigger deal. What is funny is I actually know the man that sold oswald the ammo! I've known him since 1995.

 

[gipper]

So, I did a little digging, and oswald shot a 212 after three weeks of intensive training. That's two points above the minimum for Sharp Shooter Which is less than Expert for those who don't know. It is the middle level of accuracy, that was in December of 1956. Then, in May 1959 he barely qualified as Marksman as in he made it by a single point. Marksmanship is a very perishable skill. If you're not practicing, you're losing it. So, by the time of the kennedy job, he was probably back down to where he would normally be...able to hit the side of a barn from the inside.

212 is sharpshooter.

I never claimed it was expert. The fact is he was not a poor shot.

HE did in fact conduct a lot of practice as his wife testified to.

The shooting itself was not difficult and the average deer hunter who shoots two or three times a year.

It is BARELY Sharpshooter. Under exceptionally controlled conditions and with a SGT at your elbow helping you do your best. The 1959 score is far more indicative of his actual ability. Your argument is specious at best.

Still sharpshooter and still USMC standards which are higher. Than any other,

My argument is sound. He had the skill to do it which is plain and simple he was no poor shot.

The standards are the same as for any branch of service. He lacked the skill, the target was moving away and lower than the shooter, which makes the shot far more difficult. Add to that the oak tree that obscured the target for a significant period of time, and the fact that he had to make all three shots that we know for certain were fired within a very short span of time and yet again, you help the CT people and not you.

No they are not the same,

They vary from branch to branch and the USMC training program is the best out of all of them.

He had more than enough skill.

The target was moving very slowly and yes away from him which only limited the amount of time he had. Limited but not unreasonably so. The target was very close which eliminates the downward problem,

The Oak tree did not obscure the target during the actual shooting which is all that matters,

I debunk the CT people you help them.

HE had the skill that is proven fact you had to backpedal on it and try to marginalize the facts proving he did in fact have the skill.

Oswald hadn't fired a gun since boot camp, yet dummies think he could take out the president with a whacked out piece of shit bolt action mail order rifle.

LMFAO!!!

 

[mudwhistle]

Not hardly.
LBJ's limo had the top on.

No it was not actually.

As one can see there are both dressed for winter in that photo it was in fact taken on some other day in some other place and not in dealey on Nov 22 1963.

This is his limo in dealey and as you can see no top.

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I also see no LBJ in it either.

Can you see him in this one?

View attachment 201831

Yeah, limo looks white......not black.

It was grey.

In the first one I posted you can clearly see lady bird and she was next to him.

Different driver though.
Must have beamed up the other one.

 

[Soupnazi630]

The pistol go's in your pocket or your lunch pail. Like I said, the support you give adds to the conspiracy, it doesn't take away from it. The facts are weird. I am not saying that he was part of a big plan, but there is credible evidence for it. Odds are he was merely a lone gunman, but the odds aren't 100 percent. Anyone who claims otherwise is either selling their book, or not able to think critically.

You miss the relevant point.

AS far as anyone can tell he began to plan the murder attempt WHILE AT WORK on thursday. This was when he probably read about the motorcade in an old paper lying in the break room. It was his normal habit to read old newspapers that way as he was miserly and did not like to purchase his own newspapers.

HE would not carry the gun into work in his lunch pail or pocket if he were not planning the murder until after he arrived at work. Unless he ROUTINELY carried it to work which he was not known to do. His job was a physical job and he would likely have not carried it on a regular basis for fear of being caught with it. Even in Texas in 63 people were generally not permitted to show up at jobs in warehouses armed.

This is why he is in a position of choosing between one or the other than the rifle was more important.

It does not add to the conspiracy at all it debunks the conspiracy.

There are no odds at all. I do not claim the odds one way or the other. I consistently address the evidence which is abundant.

Which is idiotic. If he hatched the plan that day he brings his pistol in with the rifle. Like I said, all you are doing is helping the CT people.

I suspect his CIA training is failing him.

The only thing failing is your brain after having been debunked and proven a liar so many times.

Cite any passage in the WC which is a lie or fabrication with evidence

Cite a passage that is truthful.

DO not dodge I asked you first.

You made a claim which you cannot support and are lying about having evidence.

You never even read the damn thing. You are an ignorant fool who knows nothing about it except what a few cartoons told you.

But here you go.
Page 1.

"The Assassination of John F. Kennedy on November 22 1963 was a cruel and shocking act of violence directed against a man, a family, a nation and against all mankind."

Now prove it happened on a different day or that it was not a cruel and shocking act of violence.

Cite a passage which is a lie or fabrication and provide evidence.

 

[gipper]

212 is sharpshooter.

I never claimed it was expert. The fact is he was not a poor shot.

HE did in fact conduct a lot of practice as his wife testified to.

The shooting itself was not difficult and the average deer hunter who shoots two or three times a year.

It is BARELY Sharpshooter. Under exceptionally controlled conditions and with a SGT at your elbow helping you do your best. The 1959 score is far more indicative of his actual ability. Your argument is specious at best.

Still sharpshooter and still USMC standards which are higher. Than any other,

My argument is sound. He had the skill to do it which is plain and simple he was no poor shot.

The standards are the same as for any branch of service. He lacked the skill, the target was moving away and lower than the shooter, which makes the shot far more difficult. Add to that the oak tree that obscured the target for a significant period of time, and the fact that he had to make all three shots that we know for certain were fired within a very short span of time and yet again, you help the CT people and not you.

He better leave the thread now or his bosses at Langley will not happy.

His problem is he doesn't know shit about guns, and i do. I am a long range precision shooter so know exactly what the issues are. Like I said, I am not convinced either way that there was a conspiracy to kill kennedy. There is ample evidence that shows oswald acted alone. However, there is also compelling, factual, evidence that says he was a part of some bigger deal. What is funny is I actually know the man that sold oswald the ammo! I've known him since 1995.

One thing is for sure, Sloppy is very sloppy. He clearly doesn't know what F he is posting about.

He is nothing more than a propagandist.

 

[Soupnazi630]

212 is sharpshooter.

I never claimed it was expert. The fact is he was not a poor shot.

HE did in fact conduct a lot of practice as his wife testified to.

The shooting itself was not difficult and the average deer hunter who shoots two or three times a year.

It is BARELY Sharpshooter. Under exceptionally controlled conditions and with a SGT at your elbow helping you do your best. The 1959 score is far more indicative of his actual ability. Your argument is specious at best.

Still sharpshooter and still USMC standards which are higher. Than any other,

My argument is sound. He had the skill to do it which is plain and simple he was no poor shot.

The standards are the same as for any branch of service. He lacked the skill, the target was moving away and lower than the shooter, which makes the shot far more difficult. Add to that the oak tree that obscured the target for a significant period of time, and the fact that he had to make all three shots that we know for certain were fired within a very short span of time and yet again, you help the CT people and not you.

No they are not the same,

They vary from branch to branch and the USMC training program is the best out of all of them.

He had more than enough skill.

The target was moving very slowly and yes away from him which only limited the amount of time he had. Limited but not unreasonably so. The target was very close which eliminates the downward problem,

The Oak tree did not obscure the target during the actual shooting which is all that matters,

I debunk the CT people you help them.

HE had the skill that is proven fact you had to backpedal on it and try to marginalize the facts proving he did in fact have the skill.

Oswald hadn't fired a gun since boot camp, yet dummies think he could take out the president with a whacked out piece of shit bolt action mail order rifle.

LMFAO!!!

Yes he had actually. He did practice with the rifle when he could and spent many long hours dry firing it which is an important part of maintaining ones skill. He would have learned that in the USMC.

And the evidence proves he shot Kennedy with that whacked out bolt action piece of shit.

 

[gipper]

You miss the relevant point.

AS far as anyone can tell he began to plan the murder attempt WHILE AT WORK on thursday. This was when he probably read about the motorcade in an old paper lying in the break room. It was his normal habit to read old newspapers that way as he was miserly and did not like to purchase his own newspapers.

HE would not carry the gun into work in his lunch pail or pocket if he were not planning the murder until after he arrived at work. Unless he ROUTINELY carried it to work which he was not known to do. His job was a physical job and he would likely have not carried it on a regular basis for fear of being caught with it. Even in Texas in 63 people were generally not permitted to show up at jobs in warehouses armed.

This is why he is in a position of choosing between one or the other than the rifle was more important.

It does not add to the conspiracy at all it debunks the conspiracy.

There are no odds at all. I do not claim the odds one way or the other. I consistently address the evidence which is abundant.

Which is idiotic. If he hatched the plan that day he brings his pistol in with the rifle. Like I said, all you are doing is helping the CT people.

I suspect his CIA training is failing him.

The only thing failing is your brain after having been debunked and proven a liar so many times.

Cite any passage in the WC which is a lie or fabrication with evidence

Cite a passage that is truthful.

DO not dodge I asked you first.

You made a claim which you cannot support and are lying about having evidence.

You never even read the damn thing. You are an ignorant fool who knows nothing about it except what a few cartoons told you.

But here you go.
Page 1.

"The Assassination of John F. Kennedy on November 22 1963 was a cruel and shocking act of violence directed against a man, a family, a nation and against all mankind."

Now prove it happened on a different day or that it was not a cruel and shocking act of violence.

Cite a passage which is a lie or fabrication and provide evidence.

Thank you.

Now can you stop telling lies?

 

[mudwhistle]

Lee Harvey Oswald's Carcano Rifle - Shooting It Today - GunsAmerica Digest

Carcanos are kind of like the Japanese Arisaka guns. They are really rough-working and don’t function well. And while this rifle can’t be taken as an example of what Oswald experienced on the 6th floor of the book depository, especially 50 years later, it wouldn’t be surprising if he experienced at least some of the problems with his gun that this rifle has. During the 1960s, most gun shops had literally barrels filled with Carcanos selling for $10-$20. They aren’t good guns.



If this was a conspiracy with high profile agents from the Soviet Union, Cuba, the Mafia or CIA........why would they allow Oswald to use such an inferior rifle for such a crucial mission?

Proving yet again that you don't know squat. Arisaka are actually among the strongest rifle actions out there, they are only "clunky" when they have the dust protector attached, remove that, and they are every bit as good as the German Mauser. Unlike I actually own all of the rifles we are talking about. The Carcano is a useful weapon. It is accurate, and in the hands of a good shooter it is deadly as hell.

Your arguments actually HELP the conspiracy theorists you dolt. Oswald was a poor shot, the rifles scope was misaligned to the point where it was hitting IIRC 6 inches off at 100 yards. Every one of your points that you think argues against a second shooter actually argues FOR a second shooter. Because Kennedy was shot twice, at least. There were four shots fired IIRC, and all four hit the car. Damned good shooting for an imbecile like oswald.

Does that mean there was a second shooter? No, it doesn't, but it adds evidence that there might have been.

Wrong.

Oswald was not a poor shot he was a Marine Sharpshooter and therefore by definition skilled with a rifle. At least relatively skilled compared to the average person who never learns how to shoot a rifle.

Kennedy was in fact shot twice not at LEAST twice as there is no ambiguity in how many times he was shot.

The scope was found to be misaligned after multiple law enforcement agencies dis assembled and re assembled it. It was probably misaligned when he fired the shots but that is not an argument in favor of a conspiracy . The reason for this is we know he missed the first shot and hit with the second and third shots. The misaligned scope is a very good reason why he missed the first one. However since he probably knew he missed it it is obvious and simple that he likely ignored the scope for the second and third shots and instead used the iron sites mounted on the rifle which he was well trained to use by the Marine Corps.

There were not 4 shots fired there were 3. All of the physical evidence and the vast majority of witnesses prove this.

Not really damned good shooting for anyone as Oswald only hit two out of three and in fact even the first hit may technically be a miss. This is because the second shot was the first one to hit Kennedy but it hit on his upper back. Oswald was most likely trying for head shots all three times as the head was clearly visible above the seat back and of course the most likely target to aim at.

Yes the carcano is a potentially deadly weapon but he is correct. All things considered it is a cheap junky weapon. Even in 63 there were far better weapons out there of many types and varieties.

That's a joke. oswald barely qualified as Marksman. And he probably had help to do that. I haven't looked into the history for over twenty years so my memory is hazy, but I thought that two hit Kennedy, one hit Connally (possibly went through kennedy first which would drop it down to three.), and one hit the car.

No it is not a joke he in fact qualified as sharpshooter in basic training which is documented fact in his Marne corps record. His record as a Marksman came later as he was about to be discharged and probably did not care to try very hard since he was getting out anyways.

The Marines have the best basic rifle markmanship training program in the military and even a poor marine shot is a good shot compared to most others.

The first shot missed entirely. The second shot Hit Kennedy and continued on to hit Connally. The third took Kennedy in the head and those are the only shots we have evidence of.

I see our favorite CIA officer has been busy. Funny...our Langley sycophant never posts in any other threads, but is extremely active in ANY thread regarding his agency's assassination of JFK...the ensuing Coup de' tat and 54 years of cover up...and millions of deaths in Southeast Asia as a consequence.

Dear CIA Agent (aka Sloppynazi630),

Do you think when your beloved Poppy Bushy bites the dust, the CIA will come clean on it's murder of JFK?

Your Dearest Friend
Gipper


Hey Sloppy...I found this on your agency's website and had to laugh. Seems at least one of the ten should be promoting disinformation and misinformation about the CIA killings of JFK, Oswald, and so many others.


Top 10 Reasons for Working at the CIA

• 1. You’ll feel good about making a difference for your country.
• 2. You’ll be on the leading edge of your career specialty.
• 3. You’ll get to work with really, really smart people.
• 4. No day will be the same. Ever.
• 5. You’ll be at the forefront of global events.
• 6. Your career can go in many directions without switching employers.
• 7. You’ll work with a diversity of people with many different interests.
• 8. You’ll contribute to the work of a nation at the center of intelligence.
• 9. You never have to talk about your work while away from the job.
• 10. Federal benefits programs are highly competitive.

Top 10 Reasons for Working at the CIA — Central Intelligence Agency

I wouldn't work for the CIA for all the tea in China.

 

[Soupnazi630]

It is BARELY Sharpshooter. Under exceptionally controlled conditions and with a SGT at your elbow helping you do your best. The 1959 score is far more indicative of his actual ability. Your argument is specious at best.

Still sharpshooter and still USMC standards which are higher. Than any other,

My argument is sound. He had the skill to do it which is plain and simple he was no poor shot.

The standards are the same as for any branch of service. He lacked the skill, the target was moving away and lower than the shooter, which makes the shot far more difficult. Add to that the oak tree that obscured the target for a significant period of time, and the fact that he had to make all three shots that we know for certain were fired within a very short span of time and yet again, you help the CT people and not you.

He better leave the thread now or his bosses at Langley will not happy.

His problem is he doesn't know shit about guns, and i do. I am a long range precision shooter so know exactly what the issues are. Like I said, I am not convinced either way that there was a conspiracy to kill kennedy. There is ample evidence that shows oswald acted alone. However, there is also compelling, factual, evidence that says he was a part of some bigger deal. What is funny is I actually know the man that sold oswald the ammo! I've known him since 1995.

One thing is for sure, Sloppy is very sloppy. He clearly doesn't know what F he is posting about.

He is nothing more than a propagandist.

You asked for a passage and I gave you one.

Your turn cite one which is a lie or fabrication.

You made the claim now back it up

 

[DrLove]

On November 21, 1963 Oswald learned the JFK motorcade would be passing by his window at work the next day. So he went home, brought his rifle to work the next morning and fired three shots at the President. One of which blew his brains out

That is all there is

Yeah, it's normal for a bullet to hit someone from the rear and force his head backwards.

It is actually.

Two major reasons for this exist one is known as the jet effect the other is neurological reflex. When the nervous system is damaged signals are fired randomly down the nervous system causing the body to have bizarre and unpredictable reactions which can in fact move the body ( or head ) in exactly the opposite or direction one would expect. Trauma to the head is especially likely to cause this.

The jet effect helps by pushing a column of tissue and blood ahead of the bullet. This column exits first and pushes back.

Bullets do not push the head or body very far at all to begin with. When bullets hit for example in the torso victims often have no visible reaction at all. We tend to think bodies will move away from the direction of the bullets travel because we have seen it happen a thousand times in movies and on tv.

Another factor unique to Kennedy is the heavy back brace and ace bandage he wore wrapped around his lower like a parachute harness or like a piece of S and M gear. Kennedy suffered from severe back problems and wore this back brace reinforced by an ace bandage for most of his adult life.

Essentially it held his upper body somewhat rigid so that is something pushed on his head there would have been a springboard effect

If you take a melon and wrap it with plastic tape, sure it will snap back when the bullet passes through. But JFK's head wasn't wrapped in plastic.

My Team SGT was in Quantico, the FBI's training academy for sniper training, and he said to some of the agents there that JFK was probably caught in a shooters triangle and ended up being hit from two directions. Somebody came over to him and told him to STFU.

Kennedy's back brace made it difficult if not impossible for him to duck once the first bullet flew by him or through him. They put him in an extremely low riding car with low sides. He was a sitting duck. So chances are at the very least....it was a conspiracy.

Aren't you missing a meeting with the Moon Landing Moonbats, 911 Nutbars, or Chemtrail Cousins?

 

[Soupnazi630]

Which is idiotic. If he hatched the plan that day he brings his pistol in with the rifle. Like I said, all you are doing is helping the CT people.

I suspect his CIA training is failing him.

The only thing failing is your brain after having been debunked and proven a liar so many times.

Cite any passage in the WC which is a lie or fabrication with evidence

Cite a passage that is truthful.

DO not dodge I asked you first.

You made a claim which you cannot support and are lying about having evidence.

You never even read the damn thing. You are an ignorant fool who knows nothing about it except what a few cartoons told you.

But here you go.
Page 1.

"The Assassination of John F. Kennedy on November 22 1963 was a cruel and shocking act of violence directed against a man, a family, a nation and against all mankind."

Now prove it happened on a different day or that it was not a cruel and shocking act of violence.

Cite a passage which is a lie or fabrication and provide evidence.

Thank you.

Now can you stop telling lies?

I cited a passage which you are too cowardly to do now go ahead liar. Cite any passage from the WC which is a lie or fabrication and provide evidence.

 

[gipper]

I suspect his CIA training is failing him.

The only thing failing is your brain after having been debunked and proven a liar so many times.

Cite any passage in the WC which is a lie or fabrication with evidence

Cite a passage that is truthful.

DO not dodge I asked you first.

You made a claim which you cannot support and are lying about having evidence.

You never even read the damn thing. You are an ignorant fool who knows nothing about it except what a few cartoons told you.

But here you go.
Page 1.

"The Assassination of John F. Kennedy on November 22 1963 was a cruel and shocking act of violence directed against a man, a family, a nation and against all mankind."

Now prove it happened on a different day or that it was not a cruel and shocking act of violence.

Cite a passage which is a lie or fabrication and provide evidence.

Thank you.

Now can you stop telling lies?

I cited a passage which you are too cowardly to do now go ahead liar. Cite any passage from the WC which is a lie or fabrication and provide evidence.

Oswald acted alone.

That is a lie and you know it.

 

[Soupnazi630]

No it was not actually.

As one can see there are both dressed for winter in that photo it was in fact taken on some other day in some other place and not in dealey on Nov 22 1963.

This is his limo in dealey and as you can see no top.

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I also see no LBJ in it either.

Can you see him in this one?

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Yeah, limo looks white......not black.

It was grey.

In the first one I posted you can clearly see lady bird and she was next to him.

Different driver though.
Must have beamed up the other one.

Take a break from the dooby.

it is clearly the same guy driving.

 

[westwall]

So, I did a little digging, and oswald shot a 212 after three weeks of intensive training. That's two points above the minimum for Sharp Shooter Which is less than Expert for those who don't know. It is the middle level of accuracy, that was in December of 1956. Then, in May 1959 he barely qualified as Marksman as in he made it by a single point. Marksmanship is a very perishable skill. If you're not practicing, you're losing it. So, by the time of the kennedy job, he was probably back down to where he would normally be...able to hit the side of a barn from the inside.

212 is sharpshooter.

I never claimed it was expert. The fact is he was not a poor shot.

HE did in fact conduct a lot of practice as his wife testified to.

The shooting itself was not difficult and the average deer hunter who shoots two or three times a year.

It is BARELY Sharpshooter. Under exceptionally controlled conditions and with a SGT at your elbow helping you do your best. The 1959 score is far more indicative of his actual ability. Your argument is specious at best.

Still sharpshooter and still USMC standards which are higher. Than any other,

My argument is sound. He had the skill to do it which is plain and simple he was no poor shot.

The standards are the same as for any branch of service. He lacked the skill, the target was moving away and lower than the shooter, which makes the shot far more difficult. Add to that the oak tree that obscured the target for a significant period of time, and the fact that he had to make all three shots that we know for certain were fired within a very short span of time and yet again, you help the CT people and not you.

No they are not the same,

They vary from branch to branch and the USMC training program is the best out of all of them.

He had more than enough skill.

The target was moving very slowly and yes away from him which only limited the amount of time he had. Limited but not unreasonably so. The target was very close which eliminates the downward problem,

The Oak tree did not obscure the target during the actual shooting which is all that matters,

I debunk the CT people you help them.

HE had the skill that is proven fact you had to backpedal on it and try to marginalize the facts proving he did in fact have the skill.

The Corps definitely has the best training, but the scores needed to qualify are the same from service to service. You're simply wrong. Hell ROTC has the same qualifications. I shoot with a man who won the Walsh Trophy (USMC Individual Pistol) TWICE in a row which no one has done before or since, so actively know real USMC Presidents 100 shooters, you don't. I actively shoot every week to maintain my skills, oswald didn't. He was a marginal shot, and his ability to manipulate the bolt on the Carcano in a timely fashion is questionable.

The target was 90 yards away, in a poor quality scope, with crap mounts, that is a hard shot. You see, the closer you are, the HARDER it becomes to hit when you are using a scope. Especially a scope that hinders the ability to manipulate the bolt of the rifle you're firing.

And no, you are not debunking them. You are tossing out long tired tropes that confuse people who don't know anything, but your rifle knowledge is a joke. The Carcano isn't a bad rifle as the CT people claim, but nor is it a great rifle as you would have everyone believe. Shooting a moving target that is below you, and that you are trying to pick up in a poorly mounted scope is not anywhere near as easy as you would like to make it out to be.

 

[Soupnazi630]

The only thing failing is your brain after having been debunked and proven a liar so many times.

Cite any passage in the WC which is a lie or fabrication with evidence

Cite a passage that is truthful.

DO not dodge I asked you first.

You made a claim which you cannot support and are lying about having evidence.

You never even read the damn thing. You are an ignorant fool who knows nothing about it except what a few cartoons told you.

But here you go.
Page 1.

"The Assassination of John F. Kennedy on November 22 1963 was a cruel and shocking act of violence directed against a man, a family, a nation and against all mankind."

Now prove it happened on a different day or that it was not a cruel and shocking act of violence.

Cite a passage which is a lie or fabrication and provide evidence.

Thank you.

Now can you stop telling lies?

I cited a passage which you are too cowardly to do now go ahead liar. Cite any passage from the WC which is a lie or fabrication and provide evidence.

Oswald acted alone.

That is a lie and you know it.

It is fact supported by evidence.

Now stop being so chicken and cite a passaae of the WC which is a lie or fabrication.

You know you are being owned.

 

[gipper]

So, I did a little digging, and oswald shot a 212 after three weeks of intensive training. That's two points above the minimum for Sharp Shooter Which is less than Expert for those who don't know. It is the middle level of accuracy, that was in December of 1956. Then, in May 1959 he barely qualified as Marksman as in he made it by a single point. Marksmanship is a very perishable skill. If you're not practicing, you're losing it. So, by the time of the kennedy job, he was probably back down to where he would normally be...able to hit the side of a barn from the inside.

212 is sharpshooter.

I never claimed it was expert. The fact is he was not a poor shot.

HE did in fact conduct a lot of practice as his wife testified to.

The shooting itself was not difficult and the average deer hunter who shoots two or three times a year.

It is BARELY Sharpshooter. Under exceptionally controlled conditions and with a SGT at your elbow helping you do your best. The 1959 score is far more indicative of his actual ability. Your argument is specious at best.

Still sharpshooter and still USMC standards which are higher. Than any other,

My argument is sound. He had the skill to do it which is plain and simple he was no poor shot.

The standards are the same as for any branch of service. He lacked the skill, the target was moving away and lower than the shooter, which makes the shot far more difficult. Add to that the oak tree that obscured the target for a significant period of time, and the fact that he had to make all three shots that we know for certain were fired within a very short span of time and yet again, you help the CT people and not you.

No they are not the same,

They vary from branch to branch and the USMC training program is the best out of all of them.

He had more than enough skill.

The target was moving very slowly and yes away from him which only limited the amount of time he had. Limited but not unreasonably so. The target was very close which eliminates the downward problem,

The Oak tree did not obscure the target during the actual shooting which is all that matters,

I debunk the CT people you help them.

HE had the skill that is proven fact you had to backpedal on it and try to marginalize the facts proving he did in fact have the skill.

You have debunked NOTHING.

 

[gipper]

212 is sharpshooter.

I never claimed it was expert. The fact is he was not a poor shot.

HE did in fact conduct a lot of practice as his wife testified to.

The shooting itself was not difficult and the average deer hunter who shoots two or three times a year.

It is BARELY Sharpshooter. Under exceptionally controlled conditions and with a SGT at your elbow helping you do your best. The 1959 score is far more indicative of his actual ability. Your argument is specious at best.

Still sharpshooter and still USMC standards which are higher. Than any other,

My argument is sound. He had the skill to do it which is plain and simple he was no poor shot.

The standards are the same as for any branch of service. He lacked the skill, the target was moving away and lower than the shooter, which makes the shot far more difficult. Add to that the oak tree that obscured the target for a significant period of time, and the fact that he had to make all three shots that we know for certain were fired within a very short span of time and yet again, you help the CT people and not you.

No they are not the same,

They vary from branch to branch and the USMC training program is the best out of all of them.

He had more than enough skill.

The target was moving very slowly and yes away from him which only limited the amount of time he had. Limited but not unreasonably so. The target was very close which eliminates the downward problem,

The Oak tree did not obscure the target during the actual shooting which is all that matters,

I debunk the CT people you help them.

HE had the skill that is proven fact you had to backpedal on it and try to marginalize the facts proving he did in fact have the skill.

The Corps definitely has the best training, but the scores needed to qualify are the same from service to service. You're simply wrong. Hell ROTC has the same qualifications. I shoot with a man who won the Walsh Trophy (USMC Individual Pistol) TWICE in a row which no one has done before or since, so actively know real USMC Presidents 100 shooters, you don't. I actively shoot every week to maintain my skills, oswald didn't. He was a marginal shot, and his ability to manipulate the bolt on the Carcano in a timely fashion is questionable.

The target was 90 yards away, in a poor quality scope, with crap mounts, that is a hard shot. You see, the closer you are, the HARDER it becomes to hit when you are using a scope. Especially a scope that hinders the ability to manipulate the bolt of the rifle you're firing.

And no, you are not debunking them. You are tossing out long tired tropes that confuse people who don't know anything, but your rifle knowledge is a joke. The Carcano isn't a bad rifle as the CT people claim, but nor is it a great rifle as you would have everyone believe. Shooting a moving target that is below you, and that you are trying to pick up in a poorly mounted scope is not anywhere near as easy as you would like to make it out to be.

....if Sloppy is wrong about that...well then it stands to reason he/she/it is wrong about EVERYTHING.

 

[mudwhistle]

You miss the relevant point.

AS far as anyone can tell he began to plan the murder attempt WHILE AT WORK on thursday. This was when he probably read about the motorcade in an old paper lying in the break room. It was his normal habit to read old newspapers that way as he was miserly and did not like to purchase his own newspapers.

HE would not carry the gun into work in his lunch pail or pocket if he were not planning the murder until after he arrived at work. Unless he ROUTINELY carried it to work which he was not known to do. His job was a physical job and he would likely have not carried it on a regular basis for fear of being caught with it. Even in Texas in 63 people were generally not permitted to show up at jobs in warehouses armed.

This is why he is in a position of choosing between one or the other than the rifle was more important.

It does not add to the conspiracy at all it debunks the conspiracy.

There are no odds at all. I do not claim the odds one way or the other. I consistently address the evidence which is abundant.

Which is idiotic. If he hatched the plan that day he brings his pistol in with the rifle. Like I said, all you are doing is helping the CT people.

I suspect his CIA training is failing him.

The only thing failing is your brain after having been debunked and proven a liar so many times.

Cite any passage in the WC which is a lie or fabrication with evidence

Cite a passage that is truthful.

DO not dodge I asked you first.

You made a claim which you cannot support and are lying about having evidence.

You never even read the damn thing. You are an ignorant fool who knows nothing about it except what a few cartoons told you.

But here you go.
Page 1.

"The Assassination of John F. Kennedy on November 22 1963 was a cruel and shocking act of violence directed against a man, a family, a nation and against all mankind."

Now prove it happened on a different day or that it was not a cruel and shocking act of violence.

Cite a passage which is a lie or fabrication and provide evidence.

I remember hearing about it when I was in 2nd grade lunch period.
My teacher came running in screaming about it.

What was really cruel was we had to watch the Black & White coverage of it all weekend. They canceled Bugs Bunny because of it on Saturday morning.

 

[Soupnazi630]

212 is sharpshooter.

I never claimed it was expert. The fact is he was not a poor shot.

HE did in fact conduct a lot of practice as his wife testified to.

The shooting itself was not difficult and the average deer hunter who shoots two or three times a year.

It is BARELY Sharpshooter. Under exceptionally controlled conditions and with a SGT at your elbow helping you do your best. The 1959 score is far more indicative of his actual ability. Your argument is specious at best.

Still sharpshooter and still USMC standards which are higher. Than any other,

My argument is sound. He had the skill to do it which is plain and simple he was no poor shot.

The standards are the same as for any branch of service. He lacked the skill, the target was moving away and lower than the shooter, which makes the shot far more difficult. Add to that the oak tree that obscured the target for a significant period of time, and the fact that he had to make all three shots that we know for certain were fired within a very short span of time and yet again, you help the CT people and not you.

No they are not the same,

They vary from branch to branch and the USMC training program is the best out of all of them.

He had more than enough skill.

The target was moving very slowly and yes away from him which only limited the amount of time he had. Limited but not unreasonably so. The target was very close which eliminates the downward problem,

The Oak tree did not obscure the target during the actual shooting which is all that matters,

I debunk the CT people you help them.

HE had the skill that is proven fact you had to backpedal on it and try to marginalize the facts proving he did in fact have the skill.

The Corps definitely has the best training, but the scores needed to qualify are the same from service to service. You're simply wrong. Hell ROTC has the same qualifications. I shoot with a man who won the Walsh Trophy (USMC Individual Pistol) TWICE in a row which no one has done before or since, so actively know real USMC Presidents 100 shooters, you don't. I actively shoot every week to maintain my skills, oswald didn't. He was a marginal shot, and his ability to manipulate the bolt on the Carcano in a timely fashion is questionable.

The target was 90 yards away, in a poor quality scope, with crap mounts, that is a hard shot. You see, the closer you are, the HARDER it becomes to hit when you are using a scope. Especially a scope that hinders the ability to manipulate the bolt of the rifle you're firing.

And no, you are not debunking them. You are tossing out long tired tropes that confuse people who don't know anything, but your rifle knowledge is a joke. The Carcano isn't a bad rifle as the CT people claim, but nor is it a great rifle as you would have everyone believe. Shooting a moving target that is below you, and that you are trying to pick up in a poorly mounted scope is not anywhere near as easy as you would like to make it out to be.

In fact the target was less than 90 yards for all three shots.

He di not need to use the scope and used the iron sites especially for the second and third shots.

The scope did not hinder the action it was mounted on the leftside while the bolt was on the right side.

It is you tossing out tropes and backpedaling when faced with facts you do not like. You hated being wrong about his score of sharpshooter which you had to admit was true so you tried to strawman it and failed,

The facts do not support any of your claims or any CT claim.

I did not make it out that he tried to shoot through the scope all three times it is in fact very easy to pick out a target at less than 100 yards over open sites.

He probably tried the scope on the first shot which is why he missed the first shot. After that he would almost certainly have fallen back on his training and used the mounted sites.

I said that from the beginning. The failed premise is that he had a scope and therefore HAD to use scope which would have made it impossible

 

[Soupnazi630]

It is BARELY Sharpshooter. Under exceptionally controlled conditions and with a SGT at your elbow helping you do your best. The 1959 score is far more indicative of his actual ability. Your argument is specious at best.

Still sharpshooter and still USMC standards which are higher. Than any other,

My argument is sound. He had the skill to do it which is plain and simple he was no poor shot.

The standards are the same as for any branch of service. He lacked the skill, the target was moving away and lower than the shooter, which makes the shot far more difficult. Add to that the oak tree that obscured the target for a significant period of time, and the fact that he had to make all three shots that we know for certain were fired within a very short span of time and yet again, you help the CT people and not you.

No they are not the same,

They vary from branch to branch and the USMC training program is the best out of all of them.

He had more than enough skill.

The target was moving very slowly and yes away from him which only limited the amount of time he had. Limited but not unreasonably so. The target was very close which eliminates the downward problem,

The Oak tree did not obscure the target during the actual shooting which is all that matters,

I debunk the CT people you help them.

HE had the skill that is proven fact you had to backpedal on it and try to marginalize the facts proving he did in fact have the skill.

The Corps definitely has the best training, but the scores needed to qualify are the same from service to service. You're simply wrong. Hell ROTC has the same qualifications. I shoot with a man who won the Walsh Trophy (USMC Individual Pistol) TWICE in a row which no one has done before or since, so actively know real USMC Presidents 100 shooters, you don't. I actively shoot every week to maintain my skills, oswald didn't. He was a marginal shot, and his ability to manipulate the bolt on the Carcano in a timely fashion is questionable.

The target was 90 yards away, in a poor quality scope, with crap mounts, that is a hard shot. You see, the closer you are, the HARDER it becomes to hit when you are using a scope. Especially a scope that hinders the ability to manipulate the bolt of the rifle you're firing.

And no, you are not debunking them. You are tossing out long tired tropes that confuse people who don't know anything, but your rifle knowledge is a joke. The Carcano isn't a bad rifle as the CT people claim, but nor is it a great rifle as you would have everyone believe. Shooting a moving target that is below you, and that you are trying to pick up in a poorly mounted scope is not anywhere near as easy as you would like to make it out to be.

....if Sloppy is wrong about that...well then it stands to reason he/she/it is wrong about EVERYTHING.

SInce you can cite no passage of any kind from the Warren Commision we know you are wrong about it and everything else.