Walz says abolish the Electoral College

[M14 Shooter]

It would make it much easier for Democrats to steal elections. Then they wouldn’t have to cheat in all these different states

Democrats can't stand losing; when they do, they want o change the rules.
And they believe they are entitled to change the rules.
Fortunately, the bar for changing the constitution is pretty high.

 

[Curried Goats]

Democrats can't stand losing; when they do, they want o change the rules.
And they believe they are entitled to change the rules.
Fortunately, the bar for changing the constitution is pretty high.

The bar for packing the court is less so.

 

[Nostra]

How about just one vote per person? Why are you clowns obsessed with anthropomorphalizing land mass as if it cares who the President is?

Because giving LA County more say than 42 individual states is insane, moron.

 

[Curried Goats]

Because giving LA County more say than 42 individual states is insane, moron.

What? I'm not giving States anything. You're giving States some weird authority by supporting the electoral college, moron. You don't even know how to formulate a coherent thought, let alone a coherent argument. You don't even understand what your argument is about.

 

[gmeyers1944]

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[para bellum]

I am an advocate for the Statewide vote winner getting 2 EC votes representing the Senators, and the rest divided up by congressional district.

I've been saying the same thing for some time.

The situation where the winner of the popular vote and the EC winner do not align has more to do with the "winner take all" system of allocating EV's than the EC itself.

Allocating by Congressional District would change the game. People could still split the ticket, and some districts would vote an "R" for representative and a "D" for President (or vice versa), and the Statewide popular vote would still have weight, just not nearly as much.

Most importantly, it would get rid of "swing states" and make every Congressional district equal in importance, which would change the way campaigns are run.

There is the possibility that it could result in less divided government (which I think would not be a good thing). I think voters would be aware of that, and we might see more split tickets where the qualities of the candidates took priority over the party.

It could also serve to moderate the parties, since there would be incentive to reach out for broad support instead of just targeting the base.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

Fortunately, the bar for changing the constitution is pretty high.

That’s why democrats try to circumvent it.

 

[M14 Shooter]

That’s why democrats try to circumvent it.

Any and every way they can.

 

[martybegan]

I've been saying the same thing for some time.

The situation where the winner of the popular vote and the EC winner do not align has more to do with the "winner take all" system of allocating EV's than the EC itself.

Allocating by Congressional District would change the game. People could still split the ticket, and some districts would vote an "R" for representative and a "D" for President (or vice versa), and the Statewide popular vote would still have weight, just not nearly as much.

Most importantly, it would get rid of "swing states" and make every Congressional district equal in importance, which would change the way campaigns are run.

There is the possibility that it could result in less divided government (which I think would not be a good thing). I think voters would be aware of that, and we might see more split tickets where the qualities of the candidates took priority over the party.

The only big issue is it will make re-districting even more of a fight, but I still see it as a benefit.

The problem is you either have to have all the States do it, or keep it as is with only inconsequential ones doing it.

Say Texas goes to this system, but Cali and NY don't. Then Dems win forever.

But if NY and Cali do it and Texas doesn't, Republicans win forever.

An amendment would be needed to impose the system on all States.

 

[HeyNorm]

https://www.dailywire.com/news/tim-walz-calls-for-the-electoral-college-to-be-abolished-we-need-a-national-popular-vote

By Zach Jewell Oct 9, 2024 DailyWire.com

Democratic Vice Presidential candidate Tim Walz said on Tuesday that the “Electoral College needs to go,” forcing the Kamala Harris campaign to release a statement saying it does not support abolishing the Constitutional mechanism for presidential elections.

At two campaign fundraisers on the West Coast, Walz called for abolishing the Electoral College, arguing that it forces candidates to focus too much attention on a handful of battleground states, The New York Times reported.


“I think all of us know, the Electoral College needs to go. We need a national popular vote,” Walz told donors at California Gov. Gavin Newsom’s home in Sacramento. “So we need to win Beaver County, Pennsylvania. We need to be able to go into York, Pennsylvania, and win. We need to be in western Wisconsin and win. We need to be in Reno, Nevada, and win.”

At an event earlier on Tuesday, Walz told supporters that he is “a national popular vote guy, but that’s not the world we live in.”

Following the Minnesota governor’s call for the Electoral College to be abolished, the Harris campaign said in a statement, “Governor Walz believes that every vote matters in the Electoral College and he is honored to be traveling the country and battleground states working to earn support for the Harris-Walz ticket.”

Comment:
The Democrats claim that they are saving our "democracy".
But at the same time, they are attacking the foundations of our country.
The Electoral College strengthens our pluralistic election system.

Nobody is telling the deep blue states that they can’t apportion their electors differently than they are, are they?

They want to apportion their electors by the percentage of the popular vote each candidate gets, by all means do so.

Makes me laugh that none have.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Democrats can't stand losing; when they do, they want o change the rules.

In what the rest of us call reality, it's all Republicans filing lawsuits to change the rules of the elections right now.

 

[gmeyers1944]

That's not even remotely what happened in that case you moron. Florida's Supreme Court ordered a recount and the United States Supreme Court ended it. Why are you people this confidently stupid?

You guys do stupid with your chest out and I love it and I'm here for it.

Democrats only wanted part of Florida to be recounted.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Allocating by Congressional District would change the game.

Interesting thought. But we would still be faced with a lot of the same questions. The difference between the smallest and largest congressional districts is pretty stark. Would their "CD" votes be weighted, like EC votes?

 

[Curried Goats]

Democrats only wanted part of Florida to be recounted.

Which doesn't change what the Florida Supreme Court or the United States Supreme Courts ruled, Moron. You got it wrong. You got it ass backwards again. We live in an age where information is at your fingertips and you loveable morons still resist education at every turn. Amazing.

 

[Dagosa]

The Electoral College strengthens our pluralistic election system.

No it doesn’t. It reinforces apartheid rule of a minority, namely the rich and well connected. It diminishes the middle class worth.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Nobody is telling the deep blue states that they can’t apportion their electors differently than they are, are they?
They want to apportion their electors by the percentage of the popular vote each candidate gets, by all means do so.
Makes me laugh that none have.

The Democrats in the states of CA, IL, and NY will see a snowball in hell before they allow any part of their state's electoral votes go to a Republican.
The don't give the slightest shit about proportionality or the popular vote -- they just want to win.

 

[para bellum]

An amendment would be needed to impose the system on all States.

Yes, it has to be nationwide.

I think it would also increase voter participation, because right now a lot of voters sit out the elections if their State is solid one way or the other. Conservative voters in blue states would be more engaged, and vice-versa.

I know that my State will go to Harris, there is not much point for me to vote in the Presidential race. I will still vote in the local measures, and I will cast a vote in the Presidential election, but I already know it won't count...

 

[para bellum]

Interesting thought. But we would still be faced with a lot of the same questions. The difference between the smallest and largest congressional districts is pretty stark. Would their "CD" votes be weighted, like EC votes?

Every State is allocated Congressional seats according to the Census. All Congressional Districts represent equivalent populations. If they don't, that is a failure of redistricting, not allocation.

The Statewide allocation of 2 EV's that represent the Senators would still carry different weights based on the population of the State, but 438 EV's of the 538 would have equal weight.

The protection for the small states that is baked into the Senate is preserved (i.e. unaffected), which is one of the main reasons there is an EC at all.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

The great majority of Americans do not want to go back to the society of the 1950s.

They oppose the Pledge of Allegiance?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Every State is allocated Congressional seats according to the Census. All Congressional Districts represent equivalent populations. If they don't, that is a failure of redistricting, not allocation.

I see your point. But that doesn't make it go away. And often that's due to changes on the population, not a bad redistricting. We have presidential elections every 4 years, but censuses only every ten years. Many of the districts vary 8-10% either way.

But now you have created not only the possibility of the national popular vote winner losing the national election, but also the popular vote winner of a state not getting the majority of the electoral votes from the districts in that state.

It still might be better than what we have.