Voter Fraud, or Voter Suppression?

[Yurt]

i find it humorous how libs now claim voter fraud is virtually non existent, when in 2000 they claimed bush stole florida via fraud. all of a sudden voter fraud doesn't matter. why are dems so scared?

both are bad equally. as both can result in unfair elections.

Bush stole Florida through election fraud, it's where elections officials screw with the results. Not actually one of the options but still a very successful republican strategy in purple districts.

as was pointed out to me by blackhawk....if gore won his home state, FL wouldn't have mattered.

poor dem losers, only care about fraud if their side loses. pound sand.

 

[MACAULAY]

Are you really that stupid?

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No, he is not stupid. This remark is merely the Liberal way of dealing with any question about the purely Socialist system that Obama is busy instituting.

Libelal; don't have an answer to the question, so you are an idiot for asking it.

In Obama's frenzy to make sure every black votes for him...in places like Chicago and Philidelphia, it appears they vote for him several times per election day...Socialists have claimed making someone prove he is the registrered voter he claims he is---by producing a picture I.D.---is voter suppression.

Liberals have nothing but sophistry and name calling to defend this absurdity (of claiming voter suppression)...and the more vehemence with which they defend it...the more sure it is that Voter Fraud is a key element of their election strategy....especially in the big rotting cities.

Are you really that nuts?

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I am ridiculing you for having no answer but name calling and you jump right in---and prove name-calling is all you've got. It seems it would have been better to not respond and thus you could pretend that you did not read that which you have no answer to.

A concept of "rights" which is wholly unrelated to "duties" is unrealistic.

 

[TheOldSchool]

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No, he is not stupid. This remark is merely the Liberal way of dealing with any question about the purely Socialist system that Obama is busy instituting.

Libelal; don't have an answer to the question, so you are an idiot for asking it.

In Obama's frenzy to make sure every black votes for him...in places like Chicago and Philidelphia, it appears they vote for him several times per election day...Socialists have claimed making someone prove he is the registrered voter he claims he is---by producing a picture I.D.---is voter suppression.

Liberals have nothing but sophistry and name calling to defend this absurdity (of claiming voter suppression)...and the more vehemence with which they defend it...the more sure it is that Voter Fraud is a key element of their election strategy....especially in the big rotting cities.

Are you really that nuts?

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I am ridiculing you for having no answer but name calling and you jump right in---and prove name-calling is all you've got. It seems it would have been better to not respond and thus you could pretend that you did not read that which you have no answer to.

A concept of "rights" which is wholly unrelated to "duties" is unrealistic.

Are you really that emotional?

 

[Yurt]

here is what i want to know:

who are the eligible voters who do not have any form of ID?

 

[Trajan]

i find it humorous how libs now claim voter fraud is virtually non existent, when in 2000 they claimed bush stole florida via fraud. all of a sudden voter fraud doesn't matter. why are dems so scared?

both are bad equally. as both can result in unfair elections.

Bush stole Florida through election fraud, it's where elections officials screw with the results. Not actually one of the options but still a very successful republican strategy in purple districts.

it never dies....

 

[JakeStarkey]

Voter Fraud, or Voter Suppression?

They are both wrong. And the parties have engaged in unethical and illegal activities. That any of us defend our party because it is our party, well, for shame.

 

[Trajan]

Voter Fraud, or Voter Suppression?

They are both wrong. And the parties have engaged in unethical and illegal activities. That any of us defend our party because it is our party, well, for shame.

you'd have a point if you defended any party but one......

 

[Yurt]

here is what i want to know:

who are the eligible voters who do not have any form of ID?

 

[OKTexas]

Which is worse?

Voter suppression, clearly – given the fact voter ‘fraud’ is virtually nonexistent and there’s no evidence the outcome of any election was changed as a result of ‘fraud.’

Actually there is, 10 votes totally changed the election for the board of a small utility district in Montgomery County, TX, I know at least one has been convicted. See link and now that you have been informed I'm sure you won't keep making this ignorant statement.

7 indicted for voter fraud in RUD election - Your Houston News: News:

And for the op, fraud is the worse because much of it goes undetected and negates legitimate votes and a note to you dumb ass libs, voter ID is not voter suppression. It is a step toward election integrity.

 

[OKTexas]

Are you really that stupid?

.................................

No, he is not stupid. This remark is merely the Liberal way of dealing with any question about the purely Socialist system that Obama is busy instituting.

Libelal; don't have an answer to the question, so you are an idiot for asking it.

In Obama's frenzy to make sure every black votes for him...in places like Chicago and Philidelphia, it appears they vote for him several times per election day...Socialists have claimed making someone prove he is the registrered voter he claims he is---by producing a picture I.D.---is voter suppression.

Liberals have nothing but sophistry and name calling to defend this absurdity (of claiming voter suppression)...and the more vehemence with which they defend it...the more sure it is that Voter Fraud is a key element of their election strategy....especially in the big rotting cities.

Are you really that nuts?

Just proved his point.

 

[Clementine]

The only way to suppress voters is to physically stop them from registering to vote and getting to the polls or preventing them from having absentee ballots mailed to them and then not allowing them to mail them in. Funny that the Dems did that to the overseas military on many different elections. Last time we made sure the ballots arrived in time, but then they all got lost. Of course, the Dems will probably insist that if we don't show up at the homes of some Dem voters and give them a free ride to the polls, then we are suppressing their votes.

Voter fraud is way worse and it's actually incredibly easy to do without getting caught. Fraud controls the outcome of the election and disenfranchises the majority.

Cheating is as easy as filling out and submitting the extra ballots. Usually, a small percent of the population even bothers to vote. Each precinct has a good idea of about how many voters will actually turn out. Usually, when people enter, they check their name off the list in the binder and hand them a ballot. If one wants to cheat, simply start filling out ballots or hand them to bus loads of ACORN or other groups willing to cheat and have them cast the ballots. Just keep track of how many ballots were illegally filled out so you know how many names to check off the list. If anyone looks at it later, it would appear that all the checked off names indicate legal voters, which most are, and the only way to catch the cheaters would be to call each voter and ask if they had actually voted or not. No one ever does that, so all ballots appear to have been cast by legitimate voters and there are no signs of cheating.

The only cheaters who get caught are the ones stupid enough to vote twice because there is a record of that. The liberals are well aware of how easy it is to cheat, which may be why they don't allow Republicans in some polling places. They also fight tooth and nail to prevent the voter rolls from being updated. Many people who moved are still listed in different districts or states. Of course, dead people's ballots still count and without a full verification, who will know if family members use their deceased relatives ballots? The left likes to claim that the only cheaters are the few who get caught and would rather no one look too closely at how things are handled at the polls or with the absentee ballots. If anyone thinks no cheating is going on, they are either blind or lying to keep it covered up.

 

[Politico]

Which is worse?

Voter suppression, clearly – given the fact voter ‘fraud’ is virtually nonexistent and there’s no evidence the outcome of any election was changed as a result of ‘fraud.’

Err yeah. There are cemeteries full of folks who would disagree with you.

 

[OODA_Loop]

If you're registered to vote how does someone suppress your vote?

Are you really that stupid?

You have no answer.

 

[Camp]

If you're registered to vote how does someone suppress your vote?

Are you really that stupid?

You have no answer.

It's not stupid, you just aren't informed on the subject. Being registered is not enough because of voter suppresion. Various states are requiring a specific kind of ID when the voter shows up at the poll. Student ID's, ID's issued by public assistance agencies, employee ID's, etc. are not being accepted.
ID's are only part of the suppression effort. It is the one the suppressors like to use as talking points and in defense of the suppression efforts. If it were only ID's groups and campaingns would and could concentrate efforts on making sure voters had the demanded ID's. Far more troubling are the new laws that prevent polls from extending hours when there are long lines, preventing Sunday voting, reducing early voting, restricting provisional voting if a voter shows up at the wrong precent and other rules and laws that target minority voters.
You specific question of how is a registered voter restricted from voting is that a person could be a registered voter for dacades and voted in every election for decades will be denied the right or privilege to vote because they thought their registration card and form of photo ID was sufficient and learn it is not.

 

[OODA_Loop]

Are you really that stupid?

You have no answer.

It's not stupid, you just aren't informed on the subject. Being registered is not enough because of voter suppresion. Various states are requiring a specific kind of ID when the voter shows up at the poll.

How could you register without an ID ?

 

[Edgetho]

 

[Camp]

You have no answer.

It's not stupid, you just aren't informed on the subject. Being registered is not enough because of voter suppresion. Various states are requiring a specific kind of ID when the voter shows up at the poll.

How could you register without an ID ?

This is part of the problem. You could have registered years ago and provided the required ID. You may have had to provide a birth certificate and government ID such as a drivers lic., military ID or whatever was required at the time. So you are a registered voter that recieves a registration card every election, but that will not be enough with voter suppression laws. If your name has been changed due to marriage or devorce, if you have changed your address, if you no longer have a valid drivers license and other reasons will prevent you from being able to vote, even though you are a registered voter.

 

[Freewill]

i find it humorous how libs now claim voter fraud is virtually non existent, when in 2000 they claimed bush stole florida via fraud. all of a sudden voter fraud doesn't matter. why are dems so scared?

both are bad equally. as both can result in unfair elections.

Bush stole Florida through election fraud, it's where elections officials screw with the results. Not actually one of the options but still a very successful republican strategy in purple districts.

Produce the evidence.

 

[OODA_Loop]

It's not stupid, you just aren't informed on the subject. Being registered is not enough because of voter suppresion. Various states are requiring a specific kind of ID when the voter shows up at the poll.

How could you register without an ID ?

This is part of the problem. You could have registered years ago and provided the required ID. You may have had to provide a birth certificate and government ID such as a drivers lic., military ID or whatever was required at the time. So you are a registered voter that recieves a registration card every election, but that will not be enough with voter suppression laws. If your name has been changed due to marriage or devorce, if you have changed your address, if you no longer have a valid drivers license and other reasons will prevent you from being able to vote, even though you are a registered voter.

That is you suppressing yourself.

Having a copy of your birth certificate or a government ID isn't someone suppressing you.

It is life.

 

[Freewill]

The truth is that there has been voter fraud to that there is absolutely no argument. Whether it effected a race or not depends on whom one talks to. The Bush haters claim fraud in Florida even though none was found. One the other hand Republicans point to fraud which has been found and when it has it is almost universally for the democrat.

That said, no voter has been suppressed from voting. Intimidated maybe, by Black Panthers standing outside voting precincts. What is humorous is that the Democrats that say that having a white poll watcher is voter intimidation of black people. Too idiotic to even consider.

Voter suppression is just BS invented by liberals to try and deflect from a conversation about voter fraud.