Voter Fraud, or Voter Suppression?

[birddog]

The dims have always been way more guilty of both! JFK and BHO are the best examples. Neither would have won without them IMHO shared by many.

Dude Nixon and Reagan. They had WAY more voter fraud IMHO shared by TONS of people.

I have never read that, and I have read a great deal. I have to assume you are lying which is no surprise.

JFK and Chicago fraud is well known. JFK's arranging R votes to be split in the south is suppression.

BHO's Black Panthers at polls was suppression. His fraud was rampant.

 

[Freewill]

Here is a good article on the subject:

7 Examples That Show Voter Fraud Is A Huge Problem - John Hawkins - Page full

Seven examples of voter fraud:


1) James O' Keefe's Project Veritas shows how easy voter fraud is without Identification: When an undercover conservative reporter can vote as Ben Jealous, Bill Maher, or David Brock if he wants, there's a hole as wide as the Grand Canyon in the system.



James O’Keefe’s new video shows Project Veritas going into poll locations in DC on April 3, being offered ballots for Ben Jealous, President & CEO of the NAACP; one Bill Maher; and David Brock (Project Veritas says they could not verify whether the David Brock for which they were offered a ballot was the same David Brock as the Media Matters president). Hilariously, Project Veritas also shows that you can’t get into Media Matters without showing ID. The video also depicts Project Veritas going to a polling place and asking about Alicia Menendez, daughter of New Jersey Senator Robert Menendez (D) and political commentator on MSNBC; a poll worker asks to see ID, preventing Project Veritas from being offered Menendez’s ballot.

2) What If Mohammed Atta had been the deciding vote in an election? As John Fund has noted, even the 9/11 hijackers were registered to vote.


John Hawkins: Here’s something from your book that a lot of people may not know: “Eight of the 19 hijackers who attacked the World Trade Center and the Pentagon had registered to vote.” How did that happen?

John Fund: The Motor Voter Act of 1993, which was the first piece of legislation that Bill Clinton signed into law, mandated that states have to accept postcard voter registrations and also offer people applying for drivers’ licenses the chance to register to vote. Several of the hijackers — they registered to vote when they got drivers’ licenses and other false ID. I have no evidence they voted, but they were registered. They certainly could have voted.

3) You can thank illegal votes from felons for Al Franken: But, but, but the first two examples don't show any actual voter fraud. They just show that it’s incredibly EASY to commit voter fraud. Is there an example of it swinging an election? Absolutely. If it wasn't for fraudulent votes, Al Franken would be doing his obnoxious stand up routines in a comedy club right now instead of the U.S. Senate.


In the '08 campaign, Republican Sen. Norm Coleman was running for re-election against Democrat Al Franken. It was impossibly close...After the first canvass, Coleman's lead was down to 206 votes. That was followed by months of wrangling and litigation. In the end, Franken was declared the winner by 312 votes. He was sworn into office in July 2009, eight months after the election. During the controversy a conservative group called Minnesota Majority began to look into claims of voter fraud. Comparing criminal records with voting rolls, the group identified 1,099 felons -- all ineligible to vote -- who had voted in the Franken-Coleman race. Minnesota Majority took the information to prosecutors across the state, many of whom showed no interest in pursuing it. But Minnesota law requires authorities to investigate such leads. And so far, Fund and von Spakovsky report, 177 people have been convicted -- not just accused, but convicted -- of voting fraudulently in the Senate race. Another 66 are awaiting trial. "The numbers aren't greater," the authors say, "because the standard for convicting someone of voter fraud in Minnesota is that they must have been both ineligible, and 'knowingly' voted unlawfully." The accused can get off by claiming not to have known they did anything wrong. Still, that's a total of 243 people either convicted of voter fraud or awaiting trial in an election that was decided by 312 votes. With 1,099 examples identified by Minnesota Majority, and with evidence suggesting that felons, when they do vote, strongly favor Democrats, it doesn't require a leap to suggest there might one day be proof that Al Franken was elected on the strength of voter fraud.

4) Democratic Congressional candidate Wendy Rosen commits voter fraud: Wendy Rosen was running for Congress in Maryland this year. Unfortunately, her campaign hit a little snag. Oopsy!


Wendy Rosen dropped from her race against Republican Rep. Andy Harris (R-MD) today after it was discovered she had been voting in two states in recent elections – Maryland and Florida. Rosen said she was saddened to leave the race in Maryland.

5) Albany mayoral candidate Paul Etheridge commits voter fraud: Wendy Rosen is obviously some sort of freak, right? Certainly, there couldn't be another Democrat running for office who engaged in fraud, could there?



Former New Albany mayoral candidate Paul Etheridge was arrested Thursday and charged with three felony counts of voter fraud. Etheridge finished third in the Democratic Party mayoral primary in 2011, and it was during that election cycle the alleged fraud occurred, Floyd County Prosecutor Keith Henderson announced during a Thursday press conference. Arrested on the same charges for the alleged incidents — which all involved the handling and casting of absentee ballots — was Joshua A. Clemons, of Floyd County. The charges the two are facing — which are all class D felonies each carrying six months to three years of jail time — are solicitation for a fraudulent absentee ballot, forgery of official ballot endorsement and fraudulent delivery of a ballot.

6) A NAACP official is headed to jail for 5 years over voter fraud: Well, those are just politicians. We all know they're liars! It's not a big surprise that they might be engaged in voter fraud. But, how can anyone support voter ID or other measures to secure the ballot when even the NAACP opposes it? Well, about that...


While NAACP President Benjamin Jealous lashed out at new state laws requiring photo ID for voting, an NAACP executive sits in prison, sentenced for carrying out a massive voter fraud scheme. In a story ignored by the national media, in April a Tunica County, Miss., jury convicted NAACP official Lessadolla Sowers on 10 counts of fraudulently casting absentee ballots. Sowers is identified on an NAACP website as a member of the Tunica County NAACP Executive Committee. Sowers received a five-year prison term for each of the 10 counts, but Circuit Court Judge Charles Webster permitted Sowers to serve those terms concurrently... ...Sowers was found guilty of voting in the names of Carrie Collins, Walter Howard, Sheena Shelton, Alberta Pickett, Draper Cotton and Eddie Davis. She was also convicted of voting in the names of four dead persons: James L. Young, Dora Price, Dorothy Harris, and David Ross. ….The NAACP has had other problems with voter fraud. The NAACP National Voter Fund registered a dead man to vote in Lake County, Ohio, in 2004. That same year, out of 325 voter registration cards filed by the NAACP in Cleveland, 48 were flagged as fraudulent.

7) John Kennedy won his Democratic Primary in 1960 via voter fraud: You might say, "Well, what difference does all of this really make?" A few people cheating here and there can't have a big impact. Not true. According to the late, great Robert Novak, John F. Kennedy won his Democratic primary in 1960 via voter fraud.


John Hawkins: In the book, you talk about a couple of incidents where the Democrats rigged votes. In one district, you watched as they literally told people that they couldn’t vote anything other than a straight Democratic ticket.
Robert Novak: That was outside of Chicago, yes.

John Hawkins: You also said that without question, John F. Kennedy rigged the West Virginia Democratic primary in (1960), but that the Wall Street Journal killed the story. Do you think that sort of thing is still occurring with great regularity and do you wish the Journal had reported the story when it happened?

Robert Novak: In my opinion, they should have. They sent two reporters down to West Virginia for six weeks and they came back with a carefully documented story on voter fraud in West Virginia, buying votes, and how he beat Humphrey in the primary and therefore got the nomination. But, Ed Kilgore, the President of Dow Jones and publisher of the Wall Street Journal, a very conservative man, said it wasn’t the business of the Wall Street Journal to decide the nominee of the Democratic Party and he killed the story. That story didn’t come out for many, many years — 30-40 years. It was kept secret all that time. Does it happen now? I don’t really know. I got a feeling it happens less often, but that incident was kept secret all those years until it was uncovered in an anti-Kennedy book by a liberal correspondent and I felt that I wasn’t bound to secrecy any more.


What is interesting to me is that the liberal left screamed voter fraud after the Florida election in 2000. They and the right wanted reform. But what kind of reform? The left screams about the computers now used, that is if they lose the election. But voter id. Something so simple, something so sure, they want no part of it. Obviously fraud is what they are and what they are all about.

 

[Wry Catcher]

By the way, remind us which party has a shit fit when a State tries to purge its voter rolls of dead and moved people?

Please tell us, which party? While doing so, please provide the names in each state where a dead person voted in 2008 and in 2012? Since you and others believe this to be true, I'm sure someone has collated the data. Otherwise, how could you be so sure said 'truth' is nothing more than urban legend?

 

[tinydancer]

I think it should become a sticky. Even South Africa demands voter ID.

 

[Wry Catcher]

The issue isn't voter ID. The issue is what type of ID is acceptable and how easy (or difficult/expensive) will it be. If the ID is restricted by a State to a specific type and it costs money, no matter how little, isn't that a poll tax? Why is a student ID card not acceptable in some states?

It is painfully obvious that the GOP, the party of the small tent, will continue to push for restrictive rules with the aid of a conservative judges on the federal level. It's why they are working so hard on the State Level to control the Governors Office, state legislatures and courtrooms.

(see): Along Partisan Lines, Texas Appeals Court Overturns Tom DeLay Money Laundering Conviction | ThinkProgress

It is dirty tricks on crack and makes a mockery of the democratic republic on each level. We are witnessing the devolution of the popular will of the people and the ascension of power by the few, the well connected and the forces which eschew the Republic which Benjamin Franklin warned we had "if we could keep it", a very prescient comment. It appears we can't.

Voter suppression is a dagger to the heart of every liberty loving American.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

If you're registered to vote how does someone suppress your vote?

By imposing unnecessary, unwarranted burdens on the right to vote, such as requiring registered voters to provide a state-issued photo ID each time they vote.

It’s perfectly appropriate to require a citizen to provide identification when he first registers to vote. And as long as that voter’s registration remains valid, where he is voting in every election, there’s no cause to compel him to provide additional ‘proof’ of his eligibility absent evidence that particular voter is indeed attempting to violate elections laws.

Photo ID requirements are invalid because, again, there is no evidence any election’s outcome was altered as a consequence of ‘fraud.’ Isolated, anecdotal incidents of ‘fraud’ do not constitute evidence because they are extremely rare; allegations of fraud are best addressed on a case by case basis, not with sweeping punitive measures.

Last, for voters who registered decades ago, where their registration status is current and valid, requiring them now to provide a state-issued photo ID manifest an undue burden to the right to vote because the documents needed to secure such an ID may no longer exist or do not meet the current requirements.

 

[driveby]

Which is worse?

Obama didn't have to choose, his campaign participated in both.......

 

[Wry Catcher]

Which is worse?

Obama didn't have to choose, his campaign participated in both.......

Um, something is missing from your post driveby, that something is evidence. Your opinion is worthless.

 

[driveby]

Which is worse?

Obama didn't have to choose, his campaign participated in both.......

Um, something is missing from your post driveby, that something is evidence. Your opinion is worthless.

Acorn (or whatever they call themselves now) and the IRS scandal currently being investigated are examples of each. Your denial of these examples is worthless...

 

[Erand7899]

Are you really that stupid?

You have no answer.

It's not stupid, you just aren't informed on the subject. Being registered is not enough because of voter suppresion. Various states are requiring a specific kind of ID when the voter shows up at the poll. Student ID's, ID's issued by public assistance agencies, employee ID's, etc. are not being accepted.
ID's are only part of the suppression effort. It is the one the suppressors like to use as talking points and in defense of the suppression efforts. If it were only ID's groups and campaingns would and could concentrate efforts on making sure voters had the demanded ID's. Far more troubling are the new laws that prevent polls from extending hours when there are long lines, preventing Sunday voting, reducing early voting, restricting provisional voting if a voter shows up at the wrong precent and other rules and laws that target minority voters.
You specific question of how is a registered voter restricted from voting is that a person could be a registered voter for dacades and voted in every election for decades will be denied the right or privilege to vote because they thought their registration card and form of photo ID was sufficient and learn it is not.

In just about every state, anyone who believes they are being denied their right to vote because of lack of ID, or for any other reason, can fill out a provisional ballot. That ballot will be held until the person can demonstrate they have a valid case.

Eary voting, mail in balloting, etc., are all intended to facilitate voter fraud.

Everyone in line at the poll closing time is allowed to vote, regardless of how long it takes to do so. Only those who show up after closing time are rejected.

Voter fraud is hard to detect, easy to do, and relatively risk free, especially if it is done in mainly minority voting precincts. No county wants to spend the money necessary to investigate possible voter fraud. No county wants to be known for voter fraud, so it is best to ignore the possibility. Anyone who desires to investigate voter fraud in minority areas are accused of racism. When it is easy and relatively risk free, you can be fairly certain it is in effect, and does alter the outcome of elections.

 

[MACAULAY]

You have no answer.

It's not stupid, you just aren't informed on the subject. Being registered is not enough because of voter suppresion. Various states are requiring a specific kind of ID when the voter shows up at the poll. Student ID's, ID's issued by public assistance agencies, employee ID's, etc. are not being accepted.
ID's are only part of the suppression effort. It is the one the suppressors like to use as talking points and in defense of the suppression efforts. If it were only ID's groups and campaingns would and could concentrate efforts on making sure voters had the demanded ID's. Far more troubling are the new laws that prevent polls from extending hours when there are long lines, preventing Sunday voting, reducing early voting, restricting provisional voting if a voter shows up at the wrong precent and other rules and laws that target minority voters.
You specific question of how is a registered voter restricted from voting is that a person could be a registered voter for dacades and voted in every election for decades will be denied the right or privilege to vote because they thought their registration card and form of photo ID was sufficient and learn it is not.

In just about every state, anyone who believes they are being denied their right to vote because of lack of ID, or for any other reason, can fill out a provisional ballot. That ballot will be held until the person can demonstrate they have a valid case.

Eary voting, mail in balloting, etc., are all intended to facilitate voter fraud.

Everyone in line at the poll closing time is allowed to vote, regardless of how long it takes to do so. Only those who show up after closing time are rejected.

Voter fraud is hard to detect, easy to do, and relatively risk free, especially if it is done in mainly minority voting precincts. No county wants to spend the money necessary to investigate possible voter fraud. No county wants to be known for voter fraud, so it is best to ignore the possibility. Anyone who desires to investigate voter fraud in minority areas are accused of racism. When it is easy and relatively risk free, you can be fairly certain it is in effect, and does alter the outcome of elections.

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Very good response. The Founders of this Country expected that the citizen would accept a little personal responsibility along with his numerous rights.

Accepting the trivial burden of actually identifying yourself at the ballot box is a very small responsibility particularly when failure to do so opens the process up for abuses which violate the constitutional rights of the rest of us.

Next thing you know some of these Federal Plantation Workers will want their ballot brought to them while they sit on their front porch and talk on their Obama Phone.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

If you're registered to vote how does someone suppress your vote?

^ racist.

They ask you for ID and we all know that Wimmen N Chillun N da Po' can't afford ID

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Which is worse?

Obama didn't have to choose, his campaign participated in both.......

Um, something is missing from your post driveby, that something is evidence. Your opinion is worthless.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

By the way, remind us which party has a shit fit when a State tries to purge its voter rolls of dead and moved people?

Is that all they purge? You know better and probably approve of how targeted and sloppy they actually end up doing it. They intentionally target democratic precincts and use private contractors to do it who get paid by how many get purged.

Liar. The dems oppose voter purges because the dead then can no longer vote. By the way? If a living person does get purged? Guess what? They can re register which takes all of 5 minutes to do. And if it is close to election they can get a provisional ballot and register after showing they were incorrectly purged, again about 5 minutes.

There is ONLY ONE reason to oppose voter purges that are MANDATED by the Federal and State Governments. And that is to keep dead people on the rolls to vote.

 

[ron4342]

If you're registered to vote how does someone suppress your vote?

Are you really that naive? Simply change the rules on who can vote and your present registration becomes worthless. For example, suppose the rule becomes you must have your birth certificate or passport with you, notarized letters from two of your neighbors, and a signed verification of who you are from the registrar of voters. Or how about this one: Close down several voting places and require all those people to vote at a central place that is hard to get to. Or, how about getting rid of early voting, force all the voting to take place on one day (guarantying long lines) and requiring the polls to close on time regardless of how many people are in line. There are dozens of ways to suppress the vote.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

If you're registered to vote how does someone suppress your vote?

Are you really that naive? Simply change the rules on who can vote and your present registration becomes worthless. For example, suppose the rule becomes you must have your birth certificate or passport with you, notarized letters from two of your neighbors, and a signed verification of who you are from the registrar of voters. Or how about this one: Close down several voting places and require all those people to vote at a central place that is hard to get to. Or, how about getting rid of early voting, force all the voting to take place on one day (guarantying long lines) and requiring the polls to close on time regardless of how many people are in line. There are dozens of ways to suppress the vote.

^ In other words, "I got nothing, so I'm gonna make up stuff that never happens"

 

[RetiredGySgt]

More Than 200 Dead People Shown to Have Voted in NY County Elections: Report | NBC New York

This County Had 124% More Registered Voters Than Eligible Voters ? Counting Dead People and Felons | TheBlaze.com

Dead And Still Voting | NBC Bay Area

Greg Abbott says state proved in court that more than 200 dead people voted in the latest Texas elections | PolitiFact Texas

I can go on.

 

[MACAULAY]

More Than 200 Dead People Shown to Have Voted in NY County Elections: Report | NBC New York

This County Had 124% More Registered Voters Than Eligible Voters ? Counting Dead People and Felons | TheBlaze.com

Dead And Still Voting | NBC Bay Area

Greg Abbott says state proved in court that more than 200 dead people voted in the latest Texas elections. | PolitiFact Texas
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The more they whine about the simple duty of identifying themselves at the ballot box, the more ridiculous they look...and the more certain it is that they are just afraid of losing the ability to pack the ballot box in many places, the favorites being Chicago and Philadelphia.

The recently deceased are the most reliably Democratic vote known to the political process.

 

[birddog]

By the way, remind us which party has a shit fit when a State tries to purge its voter rolls of dead and moved people?

Please tell us, which party? While doing so, please provide the names in each state where a dead person voted in 2008 and in 2012? Since you and others believe this to be true, I'm sure someone has collated the data. Otherwise, how could you be so sure said 'truth' is nothing more than urban legend?

Therefore, no party should have raised objections. A party should only object if they were dirty as hell!

 

[RetiredGySgt]

By the way, remind us which party has a shit fit when a State tries to purge its voter rolls of dead and moved people?

Please tell us, which party? While doing so, please provide the names in each state where a dead person voted in 2008 and in 2012? Since you and others believe this to be true, I'm sure someone has collated the data. Otherwise, how could you be so sure said 'truth' is nothing more than urban legend?

Therefore, no party should have raised objections. A party should only object if they were dirty as hell!

I linked to 4 different articles that show the dead voted, I can link to more if needed. The only party that complains about purging the rolls is the Democratic Party. It has done so for 15 years now.