Vietnam War was unwinnable

[rightwinger]

Absolutely true. It just irritates me that while it was in fact a victory in any other sense.... there was heavy morale damage done by people saying that we lost.... when we most certainly did not.

And it still persists to this day. We did not lose. We left. There is a difference. It's like Bobby Fischer.

View attachment 275813
Remember when Bobby knew he was going to win already, but offered to concede? The other guy refused, and told him to keep play, and Bobby won. Because him leaving, is not the same as beating him.

We left the match. We left because of all this crap by left-wingers here in the US. If we had simply unshackled our military, we would have easily destroyed the North Vietnamese.

Even during the rolling thunder campaign by Nixion, the military was complaining about the restrictions on targets. You can't win a war, by having some blow hard politicians in Washington sitting there, micro managing "ok you can bomb that... but no you can't bomb that.... and you might be able to bomb that. I'll ask about it in a committee meeting next week".

You can't win with that. You have to let the military do the job. Or DO NOT DO THE JOB.

This is like Mogadishu. The military said to the government we need this and this, and that, and this, to do this job. The government said.... no, you don't need all that. So we rolled into Mogadishu with only partially equipped and armored units, and then got torn up by some half starving militia units.

You can't do it that way. Ridiculous.

we left because it was unwinnable

You have the right to be wrong. It was winnable. Very easily too.

What would you have considered a win?

What I used to hear was, "kill them all to make them free".

When you hear a joke, consider it as such.

We ditched our allies in South Vietnam, and the north slaughtered civilians. They literally went around slaughtering civilians throughout the south. That's the reason we had the Vietnamese boat people.

Don't tell me our troops were engaged in the evil, when the facts show left-wingers were the ones killing everyone.

The people on the left-wing caused that above. Not us on the right.

It was those on the right who slaughtered a million of their countrymen

 

[Third Party]

Even though the cost was high, we did win in a way. Vietnam seems to have become more capitalist over the years. They manufacture alot of the stuff sold in Walmart, and they've become a tourist attraction.

I mean, compared to North Korea.

A North Vam General wrote a book and in it he stated that they were beat three times, but without the cease fires they would have had to lower the flag. The stopping of the war allowed them to restock and rearm and recruit new men and women......We never lost a fight or battle in Nam you could say we defeated ourselves.

I blame that shithead Walter Cronkite. He was the one who lost the war for us. From that point on, CBS couldn't be trusted.

Buh-Bye, Walter Cronkite: He Lost the Vietnam War for U.S. on TV, Had American Blood on His Hands

Cronkite didn’t lose the war

The war hawks who promised easy victory with minimal casualties lost the war

If we had allowed our military to fight.................. it would have been an easy victory with minimal casualties.

The war hawks who promised victory, had Mike Tyson in his prime ready to fight against Pee-wee herman.

In an open fight, pee-wee herm would be knocked out in a single punch.

The problem is, the left-wing trash in our country, tied mike tysons hands behind his back, and blind folded him. So Pee-wee Herman was just beating him with the stick, and Tyson couldn't fight back.

Then stupid people say things like "The US couldn't win against North Vietnam." Bull crap. We could have easily won. You just prevented the military from doing it.

Yes if you directly prevent us from winning... then can't win. But if you had not done that, we could have won.

then why did the French lose??

No stomach for it, bad leadership, motivated enemy.

 

[harmonica]

Actually it was the military leadership lying to their Presidents and to the press, which is always stupid in a country with a free press, same as it was for Britain's governments over a hundred years or so. This made it easy for the commie friendly press to distort the war and spread bullshit propaganda at home. And yes, when Congress fecklessly abandoned the South Vietnamese govt. in 1975, it fell, and only then; they had two big countries supplying material and troops against a tiny half of country. In any event, by that time the Soviets had gone bankrupt and were on western life support, and couldn't exploit their Pyrrhic victory, and were toast as far as their imperialist dreams were concerned. We won the Cold War, and Viet Nam played a major role in bankrupting the Soviets, so it was a victory in the strategic sense.

Absolutely true. It just irritates me that while it was in fact a victory in any other sense.... there was heavy morale damage done by people saying that we lost.... when we most certainly did not.

And it still persists to this day. We did not lose. We left. There is a difference. It's like Bobby Fischer.

View attachment 275813
Remember when Bobby knew he was going to win already, but offered to concede? The other guy refused, and told him to keep play, and Bobby won. Because him leaving, is not the same as beating him.

We left the match. We left because of all this crap by left-wingers here in the US. If we had simply unshackled our military, we would have easily destroyed the North Vietnamese.

Even during the rolling thunder campaign by Nixion, the military was complaining about the restrictions on targets. You can't win a war, by having some blow hard politicians in Washington sitting there, micro managing "ok you can bomb that... but no you can't bomb that.... and you might be able to bomb that. I'll ask about it in a committee meeting next week".

You can't win with that. You have to let the military do the job. Or DO NOT DO THE JOB.

This is like Mogadishu. The military said to the government we need this and this, and that, and this, to do this job. The government said.... no, you don't need all that. So we rolled into Mogadishu with only partially equipped and armored units, and then got torn up by some half starving militia units.

You can't do it that way. Ridiculous.

we left because it was unwinnable

You have the right to be wrong. It was winnable. Very easily too.

What would you have considered a win?

At the very start, we should have rolled straight into North Vietnam, destroyed their military, and forced their government to surrender.
And yes, we could have done that. That war should have lasted less than a year.

..so if we invade North Vietnam, the Chinese [ or Russia ] won't do anything??
I recall a war in Korea where they gave us an a$$ whipping for going into North Korea

 

[rightwinger]

Even though the cost was high, we did win in a way. Vietnam seems to have become more capitalist over the years. They manufacture alot of the stuff sold in Walmart, and they've become a tourist attraction.

I mean, compared to North Korea.

A North Vam General wrote a book and in it he stated that they were beat three times, but without the cease fires they would have had to lower the flag. The stopping of the war allowed them to restock and rearm and recruit new men and women......We never lost a fight or battle in Nam you could say we defeated ourselves.

I blame that shithead Walter Cronkite. He was the one who lost the war for us. From that point on, CBS couldn't be trusted.

Buh-Bye, Walter Cronkite: He Lost the Vietnam War for U.S. on TV, Had American Blood on His Hands

Cronkite didn’t lose the war

The war hawks who promised easy victory with minimal casualties lost the war

If we had allowed our military to fight.................. it would have been an easy victory with minimal casualties.

The war hawks who promised victory, had Mike Tyson in his prime ready to fight against Pee-wee herman.

In an open fight, pee-wee herm would be knocked out in a single punch.

The problem is, the left-wing trash in our country, tied mike tysons hands behind his back, and blind folded him. So Pee-wee Herman was just beating him with the stick, and Tyson couldn't fight back.

Then stupid people say things like "The US couldn't win against North Vietnam." Bull crap. We could have easily won. You just prevented the military from doing it.

Yes if you directly prevent us from winning... then can't win. But if you had not done that, we could have won.

500,000 men
airpower--air supremacy
naval power-naval supremacy
mucho $$$$$$$$
and we couldn't defeat them in the South
and you think we could just go into the North and defeat them??!!!
OK

We could defeat armies in battle
But we could never convince the Vietnamese people to support a corrupt Catholic government supported by white colonialists thousands of miles away

 

[rightwinger]

Absolutely true. It just irritates me that while it was in fact a victory in any other sense.... there was heavy morale damage done by people saying that we lost.... when we most certainly did not.

And it still persists to this day. We did not lose. We left. There is a difference. It's like Bobby Fischer.

View attachment 275813
Remember when Bobby knew he was going to win already, but offered to concede? The other guy refused, and told him to keep play, and Bobby won. Because him leaving, is not the same as beating him.

We left the match. We left because of all this crap by left-wingers here in the US. If we had simply unshackled our military, we would have easily destroyed the North Vietnamese.

Even during the rolling thunder campaign by Nixion, the military was complaining about the restrictions on targets. You can't win a war, by having some blow hard politicians in Washington sitting there, micro managing "ok you can bomb that... but no you can't bomb that.... and you might be able to bomb that. I'll ask about it in a committee meeting next week".

You can't win with that. You have to let the military do the job. Or DO NOT DO THE JOB.

This is like Mogadishu. The military said to the government we need this and this, and that, and this, to do this job. The government said.... no, you don't need all that. So we rolled into Mogadishu with only partially equipped and armored units, and then got torn up by some half starving militia units.

You can't do it that way. Ridiculous.

we left because it was unwinnable

You have the right to be wrong. It was winnable. Very easily too.

What would you have considered a win?

At the very start, we should have rolled straight into North Vietnam, destroyed their military, and forced their government to surrender.
And yes, we could have done that. That war should have lasted less than a year.

..so if we invade North Vietnam, the Chinese [ or Russia ] won't do anything??
I recall a war in Korea where they gave us an a$$ whipping for going into North Korea

They chased us back to the 38th parallel and inflicted 50,000 deaths. Something we could have obtained early in the war with minimal losses

 

[Flash]

The Vietnam War was winnable because we did in fact win it.

That asshole LBJ mismanaged the war and got a lot of Americans needlessly killed but Nixon fixed that. He took the war to the North and forced them to sign the Paris Peace Accords. The agreement guaranteed that the South was going to be free from the Communists. That was always the objective of the war.

All we had to do was support South Vietnam like we did the Koreans after the cease fire.

However, the filthy ass Democrats that controlled Congress hated the idea that the Communists lost. They voted to defund aid to South Vietnam and that was a green light for the Communists to invade.

Once again the Democrats fucked everybody. Shame!

....you obviously don't know your wars--China came in to help North Korea and gave the US an a$$ whipping....

You are confused Moon Bat. The US stopped two million screaming Chinamen and NORKs from taking over South Korea. That was the objective of American interventionism from the beginning. The US stopped the Communists from taking over South Korea. Go look it up. I shit you not.

 

[harmonica]

The Vietnam War was winnable because we did in fact win it.

That asshole LBJ mismanaged the war and got a lot of Americans needlessly killed but Nixon fixed that. He took the war to the North and forced them to sign the Paris Peace Accords. The agreement guaranteed that the South was going to be free from the Communists. That was always the objective of the war.

All we had to do was support South Vietnam like we did the Koreans after the cease fire.

However, the filthy ass Democrats that controlled Congress hated the idea that the Communists lost. They voted to defund aid to South Vietnam and that was a green light for the Communists to invade.

Once again the Democrats fucked everybody. Shame!

....you obviously don't know your wars--China came in to help North Korea and gave the US an a$$ whipping....

You are confused Moon Bat. The US stopped two million screaming Chinamen and NORKs from taking over South Korea. That was the objective of American interventionism from the beginning. The US stopped the Communists from taking over South Korea. Go look it up. I shit you not.

hahahha
the Chinese gave the Army an A$$ whipping in 1950 Korea
they decimated RCT 31 east of Chosin
they knocked a whole CORPS off the peninsula !!!--a whole CORPS
they drove the rest of the US forces BELOW the parallel while kicking their a$$
''decisive Chinese victory''
Second Phase Offensive - Wikipedia

and by November 26 the Chinese were launching destructive counterattacks

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/chinese-counterattacks-in-korea-change-nature-of-war
First Chinese Offensive early November:

The Americans were routed,

The result was a disaster. The Eighth Army was routed again and its South Korean allies destroyed. Thousands of allied troops died and were wounded. As the British military historian Max Hastings described later, the total disintegration “resembled the collapse of the French in 1940 to the Nazis and the British at Singapore in 1942 to the Japanese.”

Catastrophe on the Yalu: America’s intelligence failure in Korea
etc etc

 

[harmonica]

The Vietnam War was winnable because we did in fact win it.

That asshole LBJ mismanaged the war and got a lot of Americans needlessly killed but Nixon fixed that. He took the war to the North and forced them to sign the Paris Peace Accords. The agreement guaranteed that the South was going to be free from the Communists. That was always the objective of the war.

All we had to do was support South Vietnam like we did the Koreans after the cease fire.

However, the filthy ass Democrats that controlled Congress hated the idea that the Communists lost. They voted to defund aid to South Vietnam and that was a green light for the Communists to invade.

Once again the Democrats fucked everybody. Shame!

....you obviously don't know your wars--China came in to help North Korea and gave the US an a$$ whipping....

You are confused Moon Bat. The US stopped two million screaming Chinamen and NORKs from taking over South Korea. That was the objective of American interventionism from the beginning. The US stopped the Communists from taking over South Korea. Go look it up. I shit you not.

he was trying to compare Korea with Vietnam --hahahhahahahahahhahah
you are a bootcamper when it comes to Korean War history --

 

[harmonica]

The Vietnam War was winnable because we did in fact win it.

That asshole LBJ mismanaged the war and got a lot of Americans needlessly killed but Nixon fixed that. He took the war to the North and forced them to sign the Paris Peace Accords. The agreement guaranteed that the South was going to be free from the Communists. That was always the objective of the war.

All we had to do was support South Vietnam like we did the Koreans after the cease fire.

However, the filthy ass Democrats that controlled Congress hated the idea that the Communists lost. They voted to defund aid to South Vietnam and that was a green light for the Communists to invade.

Once again the Democrats fucked everybody. Shame!

....you obviously don't know your wars--China came in to help North Korea and gave the US an a$$ whipping....

You are confused Moon Bat. The US stopped two million screaming Chinamen and NORKs from taking over South Korea. That was the objective of American interventionism from the beginning. The US stopped the Communists from taking over South Korea. Go look it up. I shit you not.

.....the Chinese objective was to keep the US away from their border--not to take over South Korea....the US did not stop them
..the Chinese stopped the US and pushed them below the parallel

 

[harmonica]

April 1975..these are abandoned boots of ARVN soldiers

 

[harmonica]

The Vietnam War was winnable because we did in fact win it.

That asshole LBJ mismanaged the war and got a lot of Americans needlessly killed but Nixon fixed that. He took the war to the North and forced them to sign the Paris Peace Accords. The agreement guaranteed that the South was going to be free from the Communists. That was always the objective of the war.

All we had to do was support South Vietnam like we did the Koreans after the cease fire.

However, the filthy ass Democrats that controlled Congress hated the idea that the Communists lost. They voted to defund aid to South Vietnam and that was a green light for the Communists to invade.

Once again the Democrats fucked everybody. Shame!

....you obviously don't know your wars--China came in to help North Korea and gave the US an a$$ whipping....

You are confused Moon Bat. The US stopped two million screaming Chinamen and NORKs from taking over South Korea. That was the objective of American interventionism from the beginning. The US stopped the Communists from taking over South Korea. Go look it up. I shit you not.

NKoreans --------------------US forces Nov 1950--------Chinese attack

 

[Third Party]

The Vietnam War was winnable because we did in fact win it.

That asshole LBJ mismanaged the war and got a lot of Americans needlessly killed but Nixon fixed that. He took the war to the North and forced them to sign the Paris Peace Accords. The agreement guaranteed that the South was going to be free from the Communists. That was always the objective of the war.

All we had to do was support South Vietnam like we did the Koreans after the cease fire.

However, the filthy ass Democrats that controlled Congress hated the idea that the Communists lost. They voted to defund aid to South Vietnam and that was a green light for the Communists to invade.

Once again the Democrats fucked everybody. Shame!

....you obviously don't know your wars--China came in to help North Korea and gave the US an a$$ whipping....

You are confused Moon Bat. The US stopped two million screaming Chinamen and NORKs from taking over South Korea. That was the objective of American interventionism from the beginning. The US stopped the Communists from taking over South Korea. Go look it up. I shit you not.

NKoreans --------------------US forces Nov 1950--------Chinese attack

You realize Nixon resigned because he told North VietNam not to make peace with Johnson-he would give them a better deal. Johnson knew it because Hoover bugged Nixon. LBJ never called out Nixon, but Nixon thought McGovern had something and wanted the break in. Lots of lives and treasure lost to gain nothing more. Real shit show.

 

[Flash]

The Vietnam War was winnable because we did in fact win it.

That asshole LBJ mismanaged the war and got a lot of Americans needlessly killed but Nixon fixed that. He took the war to the North and forced them to sign the Paris Peace Accords. The agreement guaranteed that the South was going to be free from the Communists. That was always the objective of the war.

All we had to do was support South Vietnam like we did the Koreans after the cease fire.

However, the filthy ass Democrats that controlled Congress hated the idea that the Communists lost. They voted to defund aid to South Vietnam and that was a green light for the Communists to invade.

Once again the Democrats fucked everybody. Shame!

....you obviously don't know your wars--China came in to help North Korea and gave the US an a$$ whipping....

You are confused Moon Bat. The US stopped two million screaming Chinamen and NORKs from taking over South Korea. That was the objective of American interventionism from the beginning. The US stopped the Communists from taking over South Korea. Go look it up. I shit you not.

NKoreans --------------------US forces Nov 1950--------Chinese attack

You are confused.

The US stopped the Communists from taking over South Korea. Go look it up. Nowadays there is a South Korea. Trust me.

 

[Flash]

The Vietnam War was winnable because we did in fact win it.

That asshole LBJ mismanaged the war and got a lot of Americans needlessly killed but Nixon fixed that. He took the war to the North and forced them to sign the Paris Peace Accords. The agreement guaranteed that the South was going to be free from the Communists. That was always the objective of the war.

All we had to do was support South Vietnam like we did the Koreans after the cease fire.

However, the filthy ass Democrats that controlled Congress hated the idea that the Communists lost. They voted to defund aid to South Vietnam and that was a green light for the Communists to invade.

Once again the Democrats fucked everybody. Shame!

....you obviously don't know your wars--China came in to help North Korea and gave the US an a$$ whipping....

You are confused Moon Bat. The US stopped two million screaming Chinamen and NORKs from taking over South Korea. That was the objective of American interventionism from the beginning. The US stopped the Communists from taking over South Korea. Go look it up. I shit you not.

.....the Chinese objective was to keep the US away from their border--not to take over South Korea....the US did not stop them
..the Chinese stopped the US and pushed them below the parallel

You are confused.

It was never the objective of the US to either attack China or take over North Korea. Only to preserve South Korea and we met that objective. The push into North Korea was never to conquer them, only to destroy their military to prevent them from taking over South Korea.

You dumbass Moon Bats are always ignorant in History just like you are in Economics, Climate Science, Ethics, the Constitution and Biology.

 

[rightwinger]

The Vietnam War was winnable because we did in fact win it.

That asshole LBJ mismanaged the war and got a lot of Americans needlessly killed but Nixon fixed that. He took the war to the North and forced them to sign the Paris Peace Accords. The agreement guaranteed that the South was going to be free from the Communists. That was always the objective of the war.

All we had to do was support South Vietnam like we did the Koreans after the cease fire.

However, the filthy ass Democrats that controlled Congress hated the idea that the Communists lost. They voted to defund aid to South Vietnam and that was a green light for the Communists to invade.

Once again the Democrats fucked everybody. Shame!

....you obviously don't know your wars--China came in to help North Korea and gave the US an a$$ whipping....

You are confused Moon Bat. The US stopped two million screaming Chinamen and NORKs from taking over South Korea. That was the objective of American interventionism from the beginning. The US stopped the Communists from taking over South Korea. Go look it up. I shit you not.

.....the Chinese objective was to keep the US away from their border--not to take over South Korea....the US did not stop them
..the Chinese stopped the US and pushed them below the parallel

You are confused.

It was never the objective of the US to either attack China or take over North Korea. Only to preserve South Korea and we met that objective. The push into North Korea was never to conquer them, only to destroy their military to prevent them from taking over South Korea.

You dumbass Moon Bats are always ignorant in History just like you are in Economics, Climate Science, Ethics, the Constitution and Biology.

Dumbass MacArthur did not listen to Truman and charged towards the Yalu River.
China felt threatened and joined the war
Killed 50,000 Americans

 

[gtopa1]

Even though the cost was high, we did win in a way. Vietnam seems to have become more capitalist over the years. They manufacture alot of the stuff sold in Walmart, and they've become a tourist attraction.

I mean, compared to North Korea.

You mean they are a source of cheap labor? How did we win anything?

I could imagine the Vietnam vet grumbling about Vietnamese stuff in walmart when he can't find a good job, just like the WWII vets grumbled about Volkwagens and Toyotas in the 1970's... while watching American Plants close.

Here's a crazy idea... let's make sure when we "Win", it's a win for the working class, not the rich.

So you voted for Trump like the Working Class of America voted; well done!!!

Greg

 

[Picaro]

Even though the cost was high, we did win in a way. Vietnam seems to have become more capitalist over the years. They manufacture alot of the stuff sold in Walmart, and they've become a tourist attraction.

I mean, compared to North Korea.

A North Vam General wrote a book and in it he stated that they were beat three times, but without the cease fires they would have had to lower the flag. The stopping of the war allowed them to restock and rearm and recruit new men and women......We never lost a fight or battle in Nam you could say we defeated ourselves.

I blame that shithead Walter Cronkite. He was the one who lost the war for us. From that point on, CBS couldn't be trusted.

Buh-Bye, Walter Cronkite: He Lost the Vietnam War for U.S. on TV, Had American Blood on His Hands

Cronkite didn’t lose the war

The war hawks who promised easy victory with minimal casualties lost the war

If we had allowed our military to fight.................. it would have been an easy victory with minimal casualties.

The war hawks who promised victory, had Mike Tyson in his prime ready to fight against Pee-wee herman.

In an open fight, pee-wee herm would be knocked out in a single punch.

The problem is, the left-wing trash in our country, tied mike tysons hands behind his back, and blind folded him. So Pee-wee Herman was just beating him with the stick, and Tyson couldn't fight back.

Then stupid people say things like "The US couldn't win against North Vietnam." Bull crap. We could have easily won. You just prevented the military from doing it.

Yes if you directly prevent us from winning... then can't win. But if you had not done that, we could have won.

then why did the French lose??

France was a German conquest in WW II, for one, and in no position to fight against the Soviet Union; you keep trying to pretend the Soviets and Red China played no role, for some reason, which is why your analyses have no bearing at all on realities. You keep pretending that Ho had killed off the independent leaders of the Viet Minh and replaced them with hard line Communists; they were no more 'natives fighting colonial oppressors' than Pocahontas is a 'native American'.

 

[Picaro]

The Vietnam War was winnable because we did in fact win it.

That asshole LBJ mismanaged the war and got a lot of Americans needlessly killed but Nixon fixed that. He took the war to the North and forced them to sign the Paris Peace Accords. The agreement guaranteed that the South was going to be free from the Communists. That was always the objective of the war.

All we had to do was support South Vietnam like we did the Koreans after the cease fire.

However, the filthy ass Democrats that controlled Congress hated the idea that the Communists lost. They voted to defund aid to South Vietnam and that was a green light for the Communists to invade.

Once again the Democrats fucked everybody. Shame!

....you obviously don't know your wars--China came in to help North Korea and gave the US an a$$ whipping....

You are confused Moon Bat. The US stopped two million screaming Chinamen and NORKs from taking over South Korea. That was the objective of American interventionism from the beginning. The US stopped the Communists from taking over South Korea. Go look it up. I shit you not.

.....the Chinese objective was to keep the US away from their border--not to take over South Korea....the US did not stop them
..the Chinese stopped the US and pushed them below the parallel

You are confused.

It was never the objective of the US to either attack China or take over North Korea. Only to preserve South Korea and we met that objective. The push into North Korea was never to conquer them, only to destroy their military to prevent them from taking over South Korea.

You dumbass Moon Bats are always ignorant in History just like you are in Economics, Climate Science, Ethics, the Constitution and Biology.

Dumbass MacArthur did not listen to Truman and charged towards the Yalu River.
China felt threatened and joined the war
Killed 50,000 Americans

Rubbish. Mao got in the war because Stalin pressured him into it; Stalin then got cold feet and bailed, leaving Mao holding the bag, and then Stalin shook Mao down and made him pay in gold for Soviet military equipment. So yes, you people are indeed Moon Bats.

 

[Picaro]

The Vietnam War was winnable because we did in fact win it.

That asshole LBJ mismanaged the war and got a lot of Americans needlessly killed but Nixon fixed that. He took the war to the North and forced them to sign the Paris Peace Accords. The agreement guaranteed that the South was going to be free from the Communists. That was always the objective of the war.

All we had to do was support South Vietnam like we did the Koreans after the cease fire.

However, the filthy ass Democrats that controlled Congress hated the idea that the Communists lost. They voted to defund aid to South Vietnam and that was a green light for the Communists to invade.

Once again the Democrats fucked everybody. Shame!

again--listen up
...South Vietnam's military and leadership were corrupt/etc per my previous posts
...Korea was easy to defend since both sides have an ocean there--whereas you can infiltrate SVietnam much easier
...the North Koreans were NOT attacking the South after our main forces left
...the ARVN were crap and were not going to stop girl scouts with any amount of aid/weaponry/etc

More rubbish.

 

[harmonica]

A North Vam General wrote a book and in it he stated that they were beat three times, but without the cease fires they would have had to lower the flag. The stopping of the war allowed them to restock and rearm and recruit new men and women......We never lost a fight or battle in Nam you could say we defeated ourselves.

I blame that shithead Walter Cronkite. He was the one who lost the war for us. From that point on, CBS couldn't be trusted.

Buh-Bye, Walter Cronkite: He Lost the Vietnam War for U.S. on TV, Had American Blood on His Hands

Cronkite didn’t lose the war

The war hawks who promised easy victory with minimal casualties lost the war

If we had allowed our military to fight.................. it would have been an easy victory with minimal casualties.

The war hawks who promised victory, had Mike Tyson in his prime ready to fight against Pee-wee herman.

In an open fight, pee-wee herm would be knocked out in a single punch.

The problem is, the left-wing trash in our country, tied mike tysons hands behind his back, and blind folded him. So Pee-wee Herman was just beating him with the stick, and Tyson couldn't fight back.

Then stupid people say things like "The US couldn't win against North Vietnam." Bull crap. We could have easily won. You just prevented the military from doing it.

Yes if you directly prevent us from winning... then can't win. But if you had not done that, we could have won.

then why did the French lose??

France was a German conquest in WW II, for one, and in no position to fight against the Soviet Union; you keep trying to pretend the Soviets and Red China played no role, for some reason, which is why your analyses have no bearing at all on realities. You keep pretending that Ho had killed off the independent leaders of the Viet Minh and replaced them with hard line Communists; they were no more 'natives fighting colonial oppressors' than Pocahontas is a 'native American'.

??????
ok --that makes sense haha
that's why the French lost!!?? and then the US