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You are not educated on the law and you lack any analytical ability. What you are is a waste of board space.
Says the dumbest motherfucker ever given access to the internet...
You have no clue. You have been duped by the media like most nighas are and have been....remember what you said about Zimmerman. You and your ilk are all alike. Pathetic to the extreme.
I seem to recall I was supportive of Zimmerman. But the two cases are very different...
Anyhow since you claim to be an expert (a has been under pressure) amuse us with your version of 'escalation of force' I need a good laugh.
Not my version, asshole.
There are five levels of force:
1 - Command presence. This is "cop speak". It refers to simply appearing as a confident authority (such as a cop in uniform)
2 - Verbal commands - It is what it sounds like. You tell the person to stop.
3 - Forcefully grabbing someone to get them to stop.
4 - Forcefully striking someone to get them to stop.
5 - Use of deadly force to get them to stop.
Travis McMichael went from #2 to #5. When he got out of the truck with a loaded shotgun. The fact that you won't/can't comprehend that is utterly meaningless...
As has been pointed out before they were merely keeping the suspect under observation and waiting for the police to arrive. Greg constantly kept the police informed of what was going on.
They were doing that right up until Travis McMichael got out of the truck...
Did you see the police report? It was 4 paragraphs long, no interviews with Bryan, no neighbor interviews, we don’t know much,, so you think if they had a hammer they would get out even though they have self defense on film? Lol your funny.We already went over this,, The media has sensationalize this we have a video of a man using self-defense it was a justifiable homicide and they’re in jail right now.. what evidence could be better than that? It’s going to trial.The house had doors and windows on it bro, it had expensive equipment inside. He had a camera to catch ppl breaking in, it had electricity.. this is a dwelling.In Georgia any dwelling that is unoccupied, occupied or vacant, you can’t enter with the intent to steal, but doesn’t matter, it was Suspicious activity, it was ongoing Travis confronted Arbery previously, The owner put a camera in because people were breaking in. If you look at the video there is some really nice equipment inside the propertySilly question. But if the house was open and under construction how was it breaking and entering?
and you’ve already been told this.
And English the owner said nothing was stolen. So intent to steal is a stretch. And you can’t break and enter a building that is not closed. At most. Trespassing. And only under specific circumstances that were not met.
So as you have been told this. Why do you continue to pretend otherwise?
and it doesn’t matter they followed him to stop him from breaking in, and English was the owner NOT THE CONSTRUCTION WORKERs, we don’t have a statement from the construction workers saying their tools weren’t stolen.
This is a self defense case.. you don’t like them
Following the criminal!! TO BAD! I don’t care about your feelingsView attachment 340965hugE.. NO TRESPASSING! Sign
Here is the problem with your version of events. If they had a dropped hammer along the road that you claimed he had at one time. Or if they had statements that there was property missing the Defense Attorney could probably get the charges dropped by filing a motion with the judge. He would certainly cause enough doubt to get the McMichaels out on bail. But neither has happened.
So the lawyer is not serving his clients by ending this as quickly as possible. Instead drawing it out while they are in jail as long as possible?
When did the sign go up? Because I don’t remember seeing it in the neighbors video or any pictures even from the supporters.
But if all this evidence exists. Despite the fact it is not reported on the news. Then the lawyer could get the charges dropped tomorrow. He could have had them dropped last week and the McMichaels could have spent Memorial Day with the traditional BBQ sucking on a beer.
I am funny? You do not understand the charges against them. You have decided the charges are bullshit political nonsense. But the charges are supported by legs so to speak, of facts. Knock away those facts and the charges fall down.
In order for the Murder charge to go away the killing has to be self defense. You swear up and down it is. I say it is not. My reason is that you can not claim self defense when you are committing a Felony. It is why Armed Robbers do not get to claim self defense for killing the clerk.
The Felony that was committed was the Aggravated Assault. The Aggravated Assault statute makes it a felony to confront anyone while holding a weapon. Your intent matters here. But what matters most is the situation. The Prosecutor knows and so does the judge that while it is illegal to hold someone for police at gunpoint getting a conviction is a little harder.
This is the next leg. The only way to avoid the Aggravated Assault felony is if the person you were stopping committed a crime. For Citizens Arrest the person had to commit a crime. Not five years ago. Not five days ago. Not even an hour ago. But right then and there. Burglary right then and there would be a crime. It would be petty theft since the hammer is not worth more than $500 in all honesty.
But it would weaken the leg of the Aggravated Assault. Not remove it. Weaken it. That in turn would weaken the leg of the Murder charge. Agains not remove it. But weaken it enough to at least justify bail.
Now it may be six months or a year before the trial. No lawyer is going to leave his client in jail for six months much less a year if he can get them out. In this case three lawyers would have to be in agreement that not only their client but all three men need to stay in jail for that whole time.
Each man has his own lawyer. I read that in two of the news articles posted on the many threads. So three lawyers have to agree that the best thing to do is keep their clients in jail. That I have a hard time believing. That is especially hard considering one of the three men claims not to have been involved at all. Just following hoping for a picture of the “suspect”. His lawyer would be talking to the Prosecutor and trying to explain it. Especially since your assertion is that it is far better for the man to sit in jail for months or even a year before trial?
The problem for you is that you do not understand how the chain of events are viewed. You hop around one to another. But it was a sequence of events. Anything that weakens that chain is good for the defense. It could create the reasonable doubt needed for the Not Guilty verdict. But that chain is so strong right now the Judge has denied bail for all three. So weakening that chain a little gets the men bail. Breaking it could get the charges dismissed.
But three lawyers are not doing that. Now. Put yourself in the McMichaels shoes. They are starting their third week in jail. Bad food. Locked in a cell all day because it is too dangerous to put them in General Population. Seeing their families for a few minutes every week. Probably through glass. Not allowed to hold hands. They agree with this idea of sitting in jail until the trial which could be a year from now? Or longer if there is another court shut down due to COVID round two this fall?
They were committing no felony ....that is just a figment of your imagination.
Did you see the police report? It was 4 paragraphs long, no interviews with Bryan, no neighbor interviews, we don’t know much,, so you think if they had a hammer they would get out even though they have self defense on film? Lol your funny.We already went over this,, The media has sensationalize this we have a video of a man using self-defense it was a justifiable homicide and they’re in jail right now.. what evidence could be better than that? It’s going to trial.The house had doors and windows on it bro, it had expensive equipment inside. He had a camera to catch ppl breaking in, it had electricity.. this is a dwelling.In Georgia any dwelling that is unoccupied, occupied or vacant, you can’t enter with the intent to steal, but doesn’t matter, it was Suspicious activity, it was ongoing Travis confronted Arbery previously, The owner put a camera in because people were breaking in. If you look at the video there is some really nice equipment inside the propertySilly question. But if the house was open and under construction how was it breaking and entering?
and you’ve already been told this.
And English the owner said nothing was stolen. So intent to steal is a stretch. And you can’t break and enter a building that is not closed. At most. Trespassing. And only under specific circumstances that were not met.
So as you have been told this. Why do you continue to pretend otherwise?
and it doesn’t matter they followed him to stop him from breaking in, and English was the owner NOT THE CONSTRUCTION WORKERs, we don’t have a statement from the construction workers saying their tools weren’t stolen.
This is a self defense case.. you don’t like them
Following the criminal!! TO BAD! I don’t care about your feelingsView attachment 340965hugE.. NO TRESPASSING! Sign
Here is the problem with your version of events. If they had a dropped hammer along the road that you claimed he had at one time. Or if they had statements that there was property missing the Defense Attorney could probably get the charges dropped by filing a motion with the judge. He would certainly cause enough doubt to get the McMichaels out on bail. But neither has happened.
So the lawyer is not serving his clients by ending this as quickly as possible. Instead drawing it out while they are in jail as long as possible?
When did the sign go up? Because I don’t remember seeing it in the neighbors video or any pictures even from the supporters.
But if all this evidence exists. Despite the fact it is not reported on the news. Then the lawyer could get the charges dropped tomorrow. He could have had them dropped last week and the McMichaels could have spent Memorial Day with the traditional BBQ sucking on a beer.
I am funny? You do not understand the charges against them. You have decided the charges are bullshit political nonsense. But the charges are supported by legs so to speak, of facts. Knock away those facts and the charges fall down.
In order for the Murder charge to go away the killing has to be self defense. You swear up and down it is. I say it is not. My reason is that you can not claim self defense when you are committing a Felony. It is why Armed Robbers do not get to claim self defense for killing the clerk.
The Felony that was committed was the Aggravated Assault. The Aggravated Assault statute makes it a felony to confront anyone while holding a weapon. Your intent matters here. But what matters most is the situation. The Prosecutor knows and so does the judge that while it is illegal to hold someone for police at gunpoint getting a conviction is a little harder.
This is the next leg. The only way to avoid the Aggravated Assault felony is if the person you were stopping committed a crime. For Citizens Arrest the person had to commit a crime. Not five years ago. Not five days ago. Not even an hour ago. But right then and there. Burglary right then and there would be a crime. It would be petty theft since the hammer is not worth more than $500 in all honesty.
But it would weaken the leg of the Aggravated Assault. Not remove it. Weaken it. That in turn would weaken the leg of the Murder charge. Agains not remove it. But weaken it enough to at least justify bail.
Now it may be six months or a year before the trial. No lawyer is going to leave his client in jail for six months much less a year if he can get them out. In this case three lawyers would have to be in agreement that not only their client but all three men need to stay in jail for that whole time.
Each man has his own lawyer. I read that in two of the news articles posted on the many threads. So three lawyers have to agree that the best thing to do is keep their clients in jail. That I have a hard time believing. That is especially hard considering one of the three men claims not to have been involved at all. Just following hoping for a picture of the “suspect”. His lawyer would be talking to the Prosecutor and trying to explain it. Especially since your assertion is that it is far better for the man to sit in jail for months or even a year before trial?
The problem for you is that you do not understand how the chain of events are viewed. You hop around one to another. But it was a sequence of events. Anything that weakens that chain is good for the defense. It could create the reasonable doubt needed for the Not Guilty verdict. But that chain is so strong right now the Judge has denied bail for all three. So weakening that chain a little gets the men bail. Breaking it could get the charges dismissed.
But three lawyers are not doing that. Now. Put yourself in the McMichaels shoes. They are starting their third week in jail. Bad food. Locked in a cell all day because it is too dangerous to put them in General Population. Seeing their families for a few minutes every week. Probably through glass. Not allowed to hold hands. They agree with this idea of sitting in jail until the trial which could be a year from now? Or longer if there is another court shut down due to COVID round two this fall?
What bullshit you mouth. You some kinda niggha girl? Cuz you real stoooopid........The McMichaels did not committ aggravated assault or any other crime. That is a figment of your imagination.
Georgia law on Aggravated Assault
Georgia Law on Aggravated asault
Universal Citation: GA Code § 16-5-21 (2017)
The McMichaels did not as in had no intent to murder, rape or rob anyone. So your bullshlit does not fly.
- (a) A person commits the offense of aggravated assault when he or she assaults:
- (1) With intent to murder, to rape, or to rob;
- (2) With a deadly weapon or with any object, device, or instrument which, when used offensively against a person, is likely to or actually does result in serious bodily injury;
- (3) With any object, device, or instrument which, when used offensively against a person, is likely to or actually does result in strangulation; or
- (4) A person or persons without legal justification by discharging a firearm from within a motor vehicle toward a person or persons.
Nor did they hold anyone at gunpoint....look here jackass, you do not get to make up the facts of the case. The facts of the case do not jive with your imagination of what happened.
Were the McMichaels intent on detaining AA? Yes. Was that detainment legal? No. So the attempt to illegally detain AA means that they were armed, and committing a felony. Illegal Imprisonment. That means they were committing Aggravated Assault. The resulting death, as it occured during the commission of a Felony, two actually, is murder.
It is a chain, and each link depends on the one before.
The McMichaels did not detain anyone. You claim to have watched the video..did you see anyone detained? Only in your deluded mind that has been duped by the media.
What I see and any sane person sees when they watch the complete video is dat colored boy running down the street with no handcuffs on, no noose around his neck, no sack over his head or nuttin like dat. What in the hell do you think detain means?
"In criminal law, detain means to hold a person in custody, often for purposes of questioning. A law enforcement officer needs to have a reasonable suspicion of unlawful activity to detain a person. Reasonable suspicion is less than the probable cause needed to arrest a person. The reasonableness of the length of time of detention will depend on the circumstances in each case. "
According to their statement they shouted “Stop, stop. We want to talk to you.” And AA did not stop. They then blocked the road with their truck, and Travis got out with his shotgun.
Now, what was he doing there if not attempting to stop AA? Birdwatching?
How could the suspect have been blocked? He jogged right around the truck with no problem. You letting that movie playing in your head mislead you again.
Not even to mention Travis was out of the truck with his shotgun long before the suspect ran up to them.
As has been pointed out before they were merely keeping the suspect under observation and waiting for the police to arrive. Greg constantly kept the police informed of what was going on.
They wanted to talk to the suspect. If they had wanted to conduct a citizens arrest they would have done that when they first encountered him. He refused to talk to them yet they did not jump out of the truck and handcuff him. They did not point their weapons at him and say get down on the ground...nothing like that. They let him keep right on jogging.
Which was the right thing to do. They should've kept doing that...
Greg McMichales being an eperienced law enforcment officer obviously had decided to let the police make the arrest as it was obviously going to take some physical force to arrest the suspect and he probably did not want to get his hands dirty or maybe get bitten by a mental case with who knows what kind of disease?
Well, no, that's not what happened. We know that's not what happened because they didn't wait for the police.
Why not?
All you need to do is watch the video....that clearly shows what happened. The suspect ran up to them....obviously not in fear of his life. Travis McMichael should have been the one in fear of his life but he had no idea what the suspect was going to do .
They were waiting for the police who they knew were on the way. When the suspect attacked Travis that ended the waiting game. Travis was forced to use lethal force to defend his life. No brainer.
As has been pointed out before they were merely keeping the suspect under observation and waiting for the police to arrive. Greg constantly kept the police informed of what was going on.
They were doing that right up until Travis McMichael got out of the truck...
Nothing changed when he got out of the truck. It is not illegal to get out of your truck.
Did you see the police report? It was 4 paragraphs long, no interviews with Bryan, no neighbor interviews, we don’t know much,, so you think if they had a hammer they would get out even though they have self defense on film? Lol your funny.We already went over this,, The media has sensationalize this we have a video of a man using self-defense it was a justifiable homicide and they’re in jail right now.. what evidence could be better than that? It’s going to trial.The house had doors and windows on it bro, it had expensive equipment inside. He had a camera to catch ppl breaking in, it had electricity.. this is a dwelling.In Georgia any dwelling that is unoccupied, occupied or vacant, you can’t enter with the intent to steal, but doesn’t matter, it was Suspicious activity, it was ongoing Travis confronted Arbery previously, The owner put a camera in because people were breaking in. If you look at the video there is some really nice equipment inside the propertySilly question. But if the house was open and under construction how was it breaking and entering?
and you’ve already been told this.
And English the owner said nothing was stolen. So intent to steal is a stretch. And you can’t break and enter a building that is not closed. At most. Trespassing. And only under specific circumstances that were not met.
So as you have been told this. Why do you continue to pretend otherwise?
and it doesn’t matter they followed him to stop him from breaking in, and English was the owner NOT THE CONSTRUCTION WORKERs, we don’t have a statement from the construction workers saying their tools weren’t stolen.
This is a self defense case.. you don’t like them
Following the criminal!! TO BAD! I don’t care about your feelingsView attachment 340965hugE.. NO TRESPASSING! Sign
Here is the problem with your version of events. If they had a dropped hammer along the road that you claimed he had at one time. Or if they had statements that there was property missing the Defense Attorney could probably get the charges dropped by filing a motion with the judge. He would certainly cause enough doubt to get the McMichaels out on bail. But neither has happened.
So the lawyer is not serving his clients by ending this as quickly as possible. Instead drawing it out while they are in jail as long as possible?
When did the sign go up? Because I don’t remember seeing it in the neighbors video or any pictures even from the supporters.
But if all this evidence exists. Despite the fact it is not reported on the news. Then the lawyer could get the charges dropped tomorrow. He could have had them dropped last week and the McMichaels could have spent Memorial Day with the traditional BBQ sucking on a beer.
I am funny? You do not understand the charges against them. You have decided the charges are bullshit political nonsense. But the charges are supported by legs so to speak, of facts. Knock away those facts and the charges fall down.
In order for the Murder charge to go away the killing has to be self defense. You swear up and down it is. I say it is not. My reason is that you can not claim self defense when you are committing a Felony. It is why Armed Robbers do not get to claim self defense for killing the clerk.
The Felony that was committed was the Aggravated Assault. The Aggravated Assault statute makes it a felony to confront anyone while holding a weapon. Your intent matters here. But what matters most is the situation. The Prosecutor knows and so does the judge that while it is illegal to hold someone for police at gunpoint getting a conviction is a little harder.
This is the next leg. The only way to avoid the Aggravated Assault felony is if the person you were stopping committed a crime. For Citizens Arrest the person had to commit a crime. Not five years ago. Not five days ago. Not even an hour ago. But right then and there. Burglary right then and there would be a crime. It would be petty theft since the hammer is not worth more than $500 in all honesty.
But it would weaken the leg of the Aggravated Assault. Not remove it. Weaken it. That in turn would weaken the leg of the Murder charge. Agains not remove it. But weaken it enough to at least justify bail.
Now it may be six months or a year before the trial. No lawyer is going to leave his client in jail for six months much less a year if he can get them out. In this case three lawyers would have to be in agreement that not only their client but all three men need to stay in jail for that whole time.
Each man has his own lawyer. I read that in two of the news articles posted on the many threads. So three lawyers have to agree that the best thing to do is keep their clients in jail. That I have a hard time believing. That is especially hard considering one of the three men claims not to have been involved at all. Just following hoping for a picture of the “suspect”. His lawyer would be talking to the Prosecutor and trying to explain it. Especially since your assertion is that it is far better for the man to sit in jail for months or even a year before trial?
The problem for you is that you do not understand how the chain of events are viewed. You hop around one to another. But it was a sequence of events. Anything that weakens that chain is good for the defense. It could create the reasonable doubt needed for the Not Guilty verdict. But that chain is so strong right now the Judge has denied bail for all three. So weakening that chain a little gets the men bail. Breaking it could get the charges dismissed.
But three lawyers are not doing that. Now. Put yourself in the McMichaels shoes. They are starting their third week in jail. Bad food. Locked in a cell all day because it is too dangerous to put them in General Population. Seeing their families for a few minutes every week. Probably through glass. Not allowed to hold hands. They agree with this idea of sitting in jail until the trial which could be a year from now? Or longer if there is another court shut down due to COVID round two this fall?
They were committing no felony ....that is just a figment of your imagination.
Did you see the police report? It was 4 paragraphs long, no interviews with Bryan, no neighbor interviews, we don’t know much,, so you think if they had a hammer they would get out even though they have self defense on film? Lol your funny.We already went over this,, The media has sensationalize this we have a video of a man using self-defense it was a justifiable homicide and they’re in jail right now.. what evidence could be better than that? It’s going to trial.The house had doors and windows on it bro, it had expensive equipment inside. He had a camera to catch ppl breaking in, it had electricity.. this is a dwelling.In Georgia any dwelling that is unoccupied, occupied or vacant, you can’t enter with the intent to steal, but doesn’t matter, it was Suspicious activity, it was ongoing Travis confronted Arbery previously, The owner put a camera in because people were breaking in. If you look at the video there is some really nice equipment inside the propertySilly question. But if the house was open and under construction how was it breaking and entering?
and you’ve already been told this.
And English the owner said nothing was stolen. So intent to steal is a stretch. And you can’t break and enter a building that is not closed. At most. Trespassing. And only under specific circumstances that were not met.
So as you have been told this. Why do you continue to pretend otherwise?
and it doesn’t matter they followed him to stop him from breaking in, and English was the owner NOT THE CONSTRUCTION WORKERs, we don’t have a statement from the construction workers saying their tools weren’t stolen.
This is a self defense case.. you don’t like them
Following the criminal!! TO BAD! I don’t care about your feelingsView attachment 340965hugE.. NO TRESPASSING! Sign
Here is the problem with your version of events. If they had a dropped hammer along the road that you claimed he had at one time. Or if they had statements that there was property missing the Defense Attorney could probably get the charges dropped by filing a motion with the judge. He would certainly cause enough doubt to get the McMichaels out on bail. But neither has happened.
So the lawyer is not serving his clients by ending this as quickly as possible. Instead drawing it out while they are in jail as long as possible?
When did the sign go up? Because I don’t remember seeing it in the neighbors video or any pictures even from the supporters.
But if all this evidence exists. Despite the fact it is not reported on the news. Then the lawyer could get the charges dropped tomorrow. He could have had them dropped last week and the McMichaels could have spent Memorial Day with the traditional BBQ sucking on a beer.
I am funny? You do not understand the charges against them. You have decided the charges are bullshit political nonsense. But the charges are supported by legs so to speak, of facts. Knock away those facts and the charges fall down.
In order for the Murder charge to go away the killing has to be self defense. You swear up and down it is. I say it is not. My reason is that you can not claim self defense when you are committing a Felony. It is why Armed Robbers do not get to claim self defense for killing the clerk.
The Felony that was committed was the Aggravated Assault. The Aggravated Assault statute makes it a felony to confront anyone while holding a weapon. Your intent matters here. But what matters most is the situation. The Prosecutor knows and so does the judge that while it is illegal to hold someone for police at gunpoint getting a conviction is a little harder.
This is the next leg. The only way to avoid the Aggravated Assault felony is if the person you were stopping committed a crime. For Citizens Arrest the person had to commit a crime. Not five years ago. Not five days ago. Not even an hour ago. But right then and there. Burglary right then and there would be a crime. It would be petty theft since the hammer is not worth more than $500 in all honesty.
But it would weaken the leg of the Aggravated Assault. Not remove it. Weaken it. That in turn would weaken the leg of the Murder charge. Agains not remove it. But weaken it enough to at least justify bail.
Now it may be six months or a year before the trial. No lawyer is going to leave his client in jail for six months much less a year if he can get them out. In this case three lawyers would have to be in agreement that not only their client but all three men need to stay in jail for that whole time.
Each man has his own lawyer. I read that in two of the news articles posted on the many threads. So three lawyers have to agree that the best thing to do is keep their clients in jail. That I have a hard time believing. That is especially hard considering one of the three men claims not to have been involved at all. Just following hoping for a picture of the “suspect”. His lawyer would be talking to the Prosecutor and trying to explain it. Especially since your assertion is that it is far better for the man to sit in jail for months or even a year before trial?
The problem for you is that you do not understand how the chain of events are viewed. You hop around one to another. But it was a sequence of events. Anything that weakens that chain is good for the defense. It could create the reasonable doubt needed for the Not Guilty verdict. But that chain is so strong right now the Judge has denied bail for all three. So weakening that chain a little gets the men bail. Breaking it could get the charges dismissed.
But three lawyers are not doing that. Now. Put yourself in the McMichaels shoes. They are starting their third week in jail. Bad food. Locked in a cell all day because it is too dangerous to put them in General Population. Seeing their families for a few minutes every week. Probably through glass. Not allowed to hold hands. They agree with this idea of sitting in jail until the trial which could be a year from now? Or longer if there is another court shut down due to COVID round two this fall?
What bullshit you mouth. You some kinda niggha girl? Cuz you real stoooopid........The McMichaels did not committ aggravated assault or any other crime. That is a figment of your imagination.
Georgia law on Aggravated Assault
Georgia Law on Aggravated asault
Universal Citation: GA Code § 16-5-21 (2017)
The McMichaels did not as in had no intent to murder, rape or rob anyone. So your bullshlit does not fly.
- (a) A person commits the offense of aggravated assault when he or she assaults:
- (1) With intent to murder, to rape, or to rob;
- (2) With a deadly weapon or with any object, device, or instrument which, when used offensively against a person, is likely to or actually does result in serious bodily injury;
- (3) With any object, device, or instrument which, when used offensively against a person, is likely to or actually does result in strangulation; or
- (4) A person or persons without legal justification by discharging a firearm from within a motor vehicle toward a person or persons.
Nor did they hold anyone at gunpoint....look here jackass, you do not get to make up the facts of the case. The facts of the case do not jive with your imagination of what happened.
Were the McMichaels intent on detaining AA? Yes. Was that detainment legal? No. So the attempt to illegally detain AA means that they were armed, and committing a felony. Illegal Imprisonment. That means they were committing Aggravated Assault. The resulting death, as it occured during the commission of a Felony, two actually, is murder.
It is a chain, and each link depends on the one before.
The McMichaels did not detain anyone. You claim to have watched the video..did you see anyone detained? Only in your deluded mind that has been duped by the media.
What I see and any sane person sees when they watch the complete video is dat colored boy running down the street with no handcuffs on, no noose around his neck, no sack over his head or nuttin like dat. What in the hell do you think detain means?
"In criminal law, detain means to hold a person in custody, often for purposes of questioning. A law enforcement officer needs to have a reasonable suspicion of unlawful activity to detain a person. Reasonable suspicion is less than the probable cause needed to arrest a person. The reasonableness of the length of time of detention will depend on the circumstances in each case. "
According to their statement they shouted “Stop, stop. We want to talk to you.” And AA did not stop. They then blocked the road with their truck, and Travis got out with his shotgun.
Now, what was he doing there if not attempting to stop AA? Birdwatching?
How could the suspect have been blocked? He jogged right around the truck with no problem. You letting that movie playing in your head mislead you again.
Not even to mention Travis was out of the truck with his shotgun long before the suspect ran up to them.
As has been pointed out before they were merely keeping the suspect under observation and waiting for the police to arrive. Greg constantly kept the police informed of what was going on.
And Travis keeping him under observation charged to cross over to the passenger side when AA changed course. Why? He couldn’t see him? His Father in the truck couldn’t?
We are being honest here. Admit it. Travis was going around the truck to intercept and detain AA. Everyone knows it.
He was a strong guy otherwise the mental case would have taken his gun and most likely used against him and his father.
As has been pointed out before they were merely keeping the suspect under observation and waiting for the police to arrive. Greg constantly kept the police informed of what was going on.
They were doing that right up until Travis McMichael got out of the truck...
Nothing changed when he got out of the truck. It is not illegal to get out of your truck.
True enough.
But the inescapable fact is that it did changed the entire dynamic of the incident. Arbery was now not being followed by someone in a truck, he was now being confronted by a person with a gun who had been driving that truck.
Had McMichael remained in the truck, and simply kept an eye on Arbery like you say they were doing, Arbery probably wouldn't have been killed. I know you're happy a black man is dead, but your satisfaction with that doesn't mean it's right.
Travis McMichael is probably going to die in prison. You should get used to that...
He was a strong guy otherwise the mental case would have taken his gun and most likely used against him and his father.
He wasn't a "strong guy". He's fucking pussy. If he was a "strong guy" he wouldn't have needed a gun to subdue a skinny black guy...
He was a strong guy otherwise the mental case would have taken his gun and most likely used against him and his father.
He wasn't a "strong guy". He's fucking pussy. If he was a "strong guy" he wouldn't have needed a gun to subdue a skinny black guy...
If he was so weak as you portend why couldn't the suspect snatch it like he was trying to do. Travis nor his father had no desire to subdue the suspect. Why bother? They knew the police would handle it.
As is well known a lot of black criminals have aids. Would you want to get bit by a black man?
Travis took a lot of punches but did not go down. Was not only able to keep his weapon, he was able to eliminate the threat. Thus good triumped over evil.
Your to emotional.. watch the video with a clear mind .. are you a female?He was a strong guy otherwise the mental case would have taken his gun and most likely used against him and his father.
He wasn't a "strong guy". He's fucking pussy. If he was a "strong guy" he wouldn't have needed a gun to subdue a skinny black guy...
They knew the police would handle it.
Your to emotional.. watch the video with a clear mind .. are you a female?He was a strong guy otherwise the mental case would have taken his gun and most likely used against him and his father.
He wasn't a "strong guy". He's fucking pussy. If he was a "strong guy" he wouldn't have needed a gun to subdue a skinny black guy...
All the jury needs to acquit the defendant is to watch the video. Plain as day.
Did you see the police report? It was 4 paragraphs long, no interviews with Bryan, no neighbor interviews, we don’t know much,, so you think if they had a hammer they would get out even though they have self defense on film? Lol your funny.We already went over this,, The media has sensationalize this we have a video of a man using self-defense it was a justifiable homicide and they’re in jail right now.. what evidence could be better than that? It’s going to trial.The house had doors and windows on it bro, it had expensive equipment inside. He had a camera to catch ppl breaking in, it had electricity.. this is a dwelling.In Georgia any dwelling that is unoccupied, occupied or vacant, you can’t enter with the intent to steal, but doesn’t matter, it was Suspicious activity, it was ongoing Travis confronted Arbery previously, The owner put a camera in because people were breaking in. If you look at the video there is some really nice equipment inside the propertySilly question. But if the house was open and under construction how was it breaking and entering?
and you’ve already been told this.
And English the owner said nothing was stolen. So intent to steal is a stretch. And you can’t break and enter a building that is not closed. At most. Trespassing. And only under specific circumstances that were not met.
So as you have been told this. Why do you continue to pretend otherwise?
and it doesn’t matter they followed him to stop him from breaking in, and English was the owner NOT THE CONSTRUCTION WORKERs, we don’t have a statement from the construction workers saying their tools weren’t stolen.
This is a self defense case.. you don’t like them
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Here is the problem with your version of events. If they had a dropped hammer along the road that you claimed he had at one time. Or if they had statements that there was property missing the Defense Attorney could probably get the charges dropped by filing a motion with the judge. He would certainly cause enough doubt to get the McMichaels out on bail. But neither has happened.
So the lawyer is not serving his clients by ending this as quickly as possible. Instead drawing it out while they are in jail as long as possible?
When did the sign go up? Because I don’t remember seeing it in the neighbors video or any pictures even from the supporters.
But if all this evidence exists. Despite the fact it is not reported on the news. Then the lawyer could get the charges dropped tomorrow. He could have had them dropped last week and the McMichaels could have spent Memorial Day with the traditional BBQ sucking on a beer.
I am funny? You do not understand the charges against them. You have decided the charges are bullshit political nonsense. But the charges are supported by legs so to speak, of facts. Knock away those facts and the charges fall down.
In order for the Murder charge to go away the killing has to be self defense. You swear up and down it is. I say it is not. My reason is that you can not claim self defense when you are committing a Felony. It is why Armed Robbers do not get to claim self defense for killing the clerk.
The Felony that was committed was the Aggravated Assault. The Aggravated Assault statute makes it a felony to confront anyone while holding a weapon. Your intent matters here. But what matters most is the situation. The Prosecutor knows and so does the judge that while it is illegal to hold someone for police at gunpoint getting a conviction is a little harder.
This is the next leg. The only way to avoid the Aggravated Assault felony is if the person you were stopping committed a crime. For Citizens Arrest the person had to commit a crime. Not five years ago. Not five days ago. Not even an hour ago. But right then and there. Burglary right then and there would be a crime. It would be petty theft since the hammer is not worth more than $500 in all honesty.
But it would weaken the leg of the Aggravated Assault. Not remove it. Weaken it. That in turn would weaken the leg of the Murder charge. Agains not remove it. But weaken it enough to at least justify bail.
Now it may be six months or a year before the trial. No lawyer is going to leave his client in jail for six months much less a year if he can get them out. In this case three lawyers would have to be in agreement that not only their client but all three men need to stay in jail for that whole time.
Each man has his own lawyer. I read that in two of the news articles posted on the many threads. So three lawyers have to agree that the best thing to do is keep their clients in jail. That I have a hard time believing. That is especially hard considering one of the three men claims not to have been involved at all. Just following hoping for a picture of the “suspect”. His lawyer would be talking to the Prosecutor and trying to explain it. Especially since your assertion is that it is far better for the man to sit in jail for months or even a year before trial?
The problem for you is that you do not understand how the chain of events are viewed. You hop around one to another. But it was a sequence of events. Anything that weakens that chain is good for the defense. It could create the reasonable doubt needed for the Not Guilty verdict. But that chain is so strong right now the Judge has denied bail for all three. So weakening that chain a little gets the men bail. Breaking it could get the charges dismissed.
But three lawyers are not doing that. Now. Put yourself in the McMichaels shoes. They are starting their third week in jail. Bad food. Locked in a cell all day because it is too dangerous to put them in General Population. Seeing their families for a few minutes every week. Probably through glass. Not allowed to hold hands. They agree with this idea of sitting in jail until the trial which could be a year from now? Or longer if there is another court shut down due to COVID round two this fall?
They were committing no felony ....that is just a figment of your imagination.
Did you see the police report? It was 4 paragraphs long, no interviews with Bryan, no neighbor interviews, we don’t know much,, so you think if they had a hammer they would get out even though they have self defense on film? Lol your funny.We already went over this,, The media has sensationalize this we have a video of a man using self-defense it was a justifiable homicide and they’re in jail right now.. what evidence could be better than that? It’s going to trial.The house had doors and windows on it bro, it had expensive equipment inside. He had a camera to catch ppl breaking in, it had electricity.. this is a dwelling.In Georgia any dwelling that is unoccupied, occupied or vacant, you can’t enter with the intent to steal, but doesn’t matter, it was Suspicious activity, it was ongoing Travis confronted Arbery previously, The owner put a camera in because people were breaking in. If you look at the video there is some really nice equipment inside the propertySilly question. But if the house was open and under construction how was it breaking and entering?
and you’ve already been told this.
And English the owner said nothing was stolen. So intent to steal is a stretch. And you can’t break and enter a building that is not closed. At most. Trespassing. And only under specific circumstances that were not met.
So as you have been told this. Why do you continue to pretend otherwise?
and it doesn’t matter they followed him to stop him from breaking in, and English was the owner NOT THE CONSTRUCTION WORKERs, we don’t have a statement from the construction workers saying their tools weren’t stolen.
This is a self defense case.. you don’t like them
Following the criminal!! TO BAD! I don’t care about your feelingsView attachment 340965hugE.. NO TRESPASSING! Sign
Here is the problem with your version of events. If they had a dropped hammer along the road that you claimed he had at one time. Or if they had statements that there was property missing the Defense Attorney could probably get the charges dropped by filing a motion with the judge. He would certainly cause enough doubt to get the McMichaels out on bail. But neither has happened.
So the lawyer is not serving his clients by ending this as quickly as possible. Instead drawing it out while they are in jail as long as possible?
When did the sign go up? Because I don’t remember seeing it in the neighbors video or any pictures even from the supporters.
But if all this evidence exists. Despite the fact it is not reported on the news. Then the lawyer could get the charges dropped tomorrow. He could have had them dropped last week and the McMichaels could have spent Memorial Day with the traditional BBQ sucking on a beer.
I am funny? You do not understand the charges against them. You have decided the charges are bullshit political nonsense. But the charges are supported by legs so to speak, of facts. Knock away those facts and the charges fall down.
In order for the Murder charge to go away the killing has to be self defense. You swear up and down it is. I say it is not. My reason is that you can not claim self defense when you are committing a Felony. It is why Armed Robbers do not get to claim self defense for killing the clerk.
The Felony that was committed was the Aggravated Assault. The Aggravated Assault statute makes it a felony to confront anyone while holding a weapon. Your intent matters here. But what matters most is the situation. The Prosecutor knows and so does the judge that while it is illegal to hold someone for police at gunpoint getting a conviction is a little harder.
This is the next leg. The only way to avoid the Aggravated Assault felony is if the person you were stopping committed a crime. For Citizens Arrest the person had to commit a crime. Not five years ago. Not five days ago. Not even an hour ago. But right then and there. Burglary right then and there would be a crime. It would be petty theft since the hammer is not worth more than $500 in all honesty.
But it would weaken the leg of the Aggravated Assault. Not remove it. Weaken it. That in turn would weaken the leg of the Murder charge. Agains not remove it. But weaken it enough to at least justify bail.
Now it may be six months or a year before the trial. No lawyer is going to leave his client in jail for six months much less a year if he can get them out. In this case three lawyers would have to be in agreement that not only their client but all three men need to stay in jail for that whole time.
Each man has his own lawyer. I read that in two of the news articles posted on the many threads. So three lawyers have to agree that the best thing to do is keep their clients in jail. That I have a hard time believing. That is especially hard considering one of the three men claims not to have been involved at all. Just following hoping for a picture of the “suspect”. His lawyer would be talking to the Prosecutor and trying to explain it. Especially since your assertion is that it is far better for the man to sit in jail for months or even a year before trial?
The problem for you is that you do not understand how the chain of events are viewed. You hop around one to another. But it was a sequence of events. Anything that weakens that chain is good for the defense. It could create the reasonable doubt needed for the Not Guilty verdict. But that chain is so strong right now the Judge has denied bail for all three. So weakening that chain a little gets the men bail. Breaking it could get the charges dismissed.
But three lawyers are not doing that. Now. Put yourself in the McMichaels shoes. They are starting their third week in jail. Bad food. Locked in a cell all day because it is too dangerous to put them in General Population. Seeing their families for a few minutes every week. Probably through glass. Not allowed to hold hands. They agree with this idea of sitting in jail until the trial which could be a year from now? Or longer if there is another court shut down due to COVID round two this fall?
What bullshit you mouth. You some kinda niggha girl? Cuz you real stoooopid........The McMichaels did not committ aggravated assault or any other crime. That is a figment of your imagination.
Georgia law on Aggravated Assault
Georgia Law on Aggravated asault
Universal Citation: GA Code § 16-5-21 (2017)
The McMichaels did not as in had no intent to murder, rape or rob anyone. So your bullshlit does not fly.
- (a) A person commits the offense of aggravated assault when he or she assaults:
- (1) With intent to murder, to rape, or to rob;
- (2) With a deadly weapon or with any object, device, or instrument which, when used offensively against a person, is likely to or actually does result in serious bodily injury;
- (3) With any object, device, or instrument which, when used offensively against a person, is likely to or actually does result in strangulation; or
- (4) A person or persons without legal justification by discharging a firearm from within a motor vehicle toward a person or persons.
Nor did they hold anyone at gunpoint....look here jackass, you do not get to make up the facts of the case. The facts of the case do not jive with your imagination of what happened.
Were the McMichaels intent on detaining AA? Yes. Was that detainment legal? No. So the attempt to illegally detain AA means that they were armed, and committing a felony. Illegal Imprisonment. That means they were committing Aggravated Assault. The resulting death, as it occured during the commission of a Felony, two actually, is murder.
It is a chain, and each link depends on the one before.
The McMichaels did not detain anyone. You claim to have watched the video..did you see anyone detained? Only in your deluded mind that has been duped by the media.
What I see and any sane person sees when they watch the complete video is dat colored boy running down the street with no handcuffs on, no noose around his neck, no sack over his head or nuttin like dat. What in the hell do you think detain means?
"In criminal law, detain means to hold a person in custody, often for purposes of questioning. A law enforcement officer needs to have a reasonable suspicion of unlawful activity to detain a person. Reasonable suspicion is less than the probable cause needed to arrest a person. The reasonableness of the length of time of detention will depend on the circumstances in each case. "
According to their statement they shouted “Stop, stop. We want to talk to you.” And AA did not stop. They then blocked the road with their truck, and Travis got out with his shotgun.
Now, what was he doing there if not attempting to stop AA? Birdwatching?
How could the suspect have been blocked? He jogged right around the truck with no problem. You letting that movie playing in your head mislead you again.
Not even to mention Travis was out of the truck with his shotgun long before the suspect ran up to them.
As has been pointed out before they were merely keeping the suspect under observation and waiting for the police to arrive. Greg constantly kept the police informed of what was going on.
And Travis keeping him under observation charged to cross over to the passenger side when AA changed course. Why? He couldn’t see him? His Father in the truck couldn’t?
We are being honest here. Admit it. Travis was going around the truck to intercept and detain AA. Everyone knows it.
Obviously you have not watched the real video. Maybe you watched the 'edited' version put out by the media.
In the video you can clearly see the suspect jogging up to the truck, going to the right to go around the truck which was easy to do and then he quickly veers to the left to attack Travis standing in the middle of the road.
In the video you can see the suspect running to the left in front of the truck in order to conduct a surprise attack. Which sounds insane but wait he was insane...still yet he almost pulled it off. Travis was taken by surprise but fortunately was able to keep a hold on his weapon. He was a strong guy otherwise the mental case would have taken his gun and most likely used against him and his father.
Im just wondering where your seeing the things your describing? What is a man to do when he is physically attacked by another manYour to emotional.. watch the video with a clear mind .. are you a female?He was a strong guy otherwise the mental case would have taken his gun and most likely used against him and his father.
He wasn't a "strong guy". He's fucking pussy. If he was a "strong guy" he wouldn't have needed a gun to subdue a skinny black guy...
Are you mentally retarded?
Yes a fake law with no definition.. what is this lynching hour? Can’t get him on anything else, let’s charge with hate lolGood news! According to the lawyer from Arbery’s family this is being investigated as a hate crime. Actually a bipartisan congressional letter was sent requesting that this be investigated as a hate crime. Looks like Arbery’s family might get justice after all.
Im just wondering where your seeing the things your describing? What is a man to do when he is physically attacked by another man
