Zone1 Vicarious Baptisms Extremely Important

[Cougarbear]

Vicarious baptisms for the dead were a biblical practice in Apostolic Era Christianity. So widely accepted that the Apostle Paul used the practice as evidence of the resurrection. "Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?” 1 Corinthians 15:29

Over 300 years after the death of Christ and the Apostles, this practice was outlawed by councils of man. Despite Jesus Christ's vicarious sacrifice setting the precedent of vicarious works, during the prophesied great apostasy of Christianity. (See Acts 20:28–30, 2 Timothy 3:1–5, 14–15, 2 Timothy 4:3–4, 2 Thessalonians 2:3) this practice was abandoned by creeds of man mingled with Greek philosophy.

Absolutely Necessary because Jesus himself said in John 3 It is part of Jesus' conversation with Nicodemus, where Jesus states that "except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." And, to be more specific, John 3:5, where he clarifies that one must be "born of water and of the Spirit" to enter the kingdom of God. "Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit , he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."

I say, it's clear. And, what about those who died without the New and Everlasting Covenant, Commandments and Law? What about those who died without even the Law of Moses? Are those billions of people going to go to hell because they were born in the wrong time? Or, blinded by the craftiness of men mingling scripture with their Greek obsessions and creeds? Peter said that Jesus went and preached to the spirits of the dead in 1Peter 3:19, "19 By which also he (Jesus) went and preached unto the spirits in prison." And again, in 1Peter 4:6, "6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit." What a just God I follow.

 

[tyroneweaver]

Looks like you're going to have a vicarious QB. LOL Go Utes

 

[Cougarbear]

Looks like you're going to have a vicarious QB. LOL Go Utes

I was reminded that the colors of heaven are blue and white while the colors of hell are black and red Go Cougars!

 

[tyroneweaver]

I was reminded that the colors of heaven are blue and white while the colors of hell are black and red Go Cougars!

Doctrine and Covenants 133:48

 

[Cougarbear]

Doctrine and Covenants 133:48

Doctrine and Covenants 133:51
The red is stain from those heading to Hell

 

[SweetSue92]

Vicarious baptisms for the dead were a biblical practice in Apostolic Era Christianity. So widely accepted that the Apostle Paul used the practice as evidence of the resurrection. "Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?” 1 Corinthians 15:29

Over 300 years after the death of Christ and the Apostles, this practice was outlawed by councils of man. Despite Jesus Christ's vicarious sacrifice setting the precedent of vicarious works, during the prophesied great apostasy of Christianity. (See Acts 20:28–30, 2 Timothy 3:1–5, 14–15, 2 Timothy 4:3–4, 2 Thessalonians 2:3) this practice was abandoned by creeds of man mingled with Greek philosophy.

View attachment 1133641 Absolutely Necessary because Jesus himself said in John 3 It is part of Jesus' conversation with Nicodemus, where Jesus states that "except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." And, to be more specific, John 3:5, where he clarifies that one must be "born of water and of the Spirit" to enter the kingdom of God. "Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit , he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."

I say, it's clear. And, what about those who died without the New and Everlasting Covenant, Commandments and Law? What about those who died without even the Law of Moses? Are those billions of people going to go to hell because they were born in the wrong time? Or, blinded by the craftiness of men mingling scripture with their Greek obsessions and creeds? Peter said that Jesus went and preached to the spirits of the dead in 1Peter 3:19, "19 By which also he (Jesus) went and preached unto the spirits in prison." And again, in 1Peter 4:6, "6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit." What a just God I follow.

Hebrews 9:27: "For it is given man to die once, and then the Judgment"

 

[SweetSue92]

Doctrine and Covenants 133:51
The red is stain from those heading to Hell

Joseph Smith's insane ramblings. Rejected.

 

[tyroneweaver]

Joseph Smith's insane ramblings. Rejected.

Look sister, there's nothing more insane than claiming that the nicene , and apostles creed is the God of the Bible

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Vicarious baptisms for the dead were a biblical practice in Apostolic Era Christianity. So widely accepted that the Apostle Paul used the practice as evidence of the resurrection. "Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?” 1 Corinthians 15:29

Over 300 years after the death of Christ and the Apostles, this practice was outlawed by councils of man. Despite Jesus Christ's vicarious sacrifice setting the precedent of vicarious works, during the prophesied great apostasy of Christianity. (See Acts 20:28–30, 2 Timothy 3:1–5, 14–15, 2 Timothy 4:3–4, 2 Thessalonians 2:3) this practice was abandoned by creeds of man mingled with Greek philosophy.

View attachment 1133641 Absolutely Necessary because Jesus himself said in John 3 It is part of Jesus' conversation with Nicodemus, where Jesus states that "except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." And, to be more specific, John 3:5, where he clarifies that one must be "born of water and of the Spirit" to enter the kingdom of God. "Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit , he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."

I say, it's clear. And, what about those who died without the New and Everlasting Covenant, Commandments and Law? What about those who died without even the Law of Moses? Are those billions of people going to go to hell because they were born in the wrong time? Or, blinded by the craftiness of men mingling scripture with their Greek obsessions and creeds? Peter said that Jesus went and preached to the spirits of the dead in 1Peter 3:19, "19 By which also he (Jesus) went and preached unto the spirits in prison." And again, in 1Peter 4:6, "6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit." What a just God I follow.

How does anyone know what Jesus said since the gospels by unknown writers were written many decades later, and there is no evidence anyone remembered verbatim what he said and saved it?

 

[Cougarbear]

Hebrews 9:27: "For it is given man to die once, and then the Judgment"

So? What does that have to do with man's spirit and the fact that the baptisms are done vicariously? Sometimes I wonder about people who can't read the scriptures I set out for you. Jesus himself went to the spirits of the dead and preached to them. That alone won't due because he preached his gospel which includes a man must be born of water (water baptism) and of the spirit (receive the gift of the Holy Ghost). These are earthly ordinances that can only be performed here on earth. Because a person who is being baptized vicariously IS DEAD, as Jesus stands in for us for our sins, we do likewise for our fellow dead so if they accept the gospel in spirit prison, they can have the opportunity to receive eternal life. I gave you the scriptures. Try reading them.

 

[Cougarbear]

Joseph Smith's insane ramblings. Rejected.

SweetSue92's insane ramblings. Rejected.

 

[Cougarbear]

How does anyone know what Jesus said since the gospels by unknown writers were written many decades later, and there is no evidence anyone remembered verbatim what he said and saved it?

Well, it's like this. The apostles left their memoirs which are writings in the first person. Those were kept apparently in Rome and found there by Constantine. They were in fact written by the apostles. Paul's letters were certainly first person. Not sure why you think the apostles didn't write down what they saw and heard. Jesus even eludes to this when he said all the books of the world could not contain all my words I gave to my disciples.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Well, it's like this. The apostles left their memoirs which are writings in the first person. Those were kept apparently in Rome and found there by Constantine. They were in fact written by the apostles. Paul's letters were certainly first person. Not sure why you think the apostles didn't write down what they saw and heard. Jesus even eludes to this when he said all the books of the world could not contain all my words I gave to my disciples.

Is this poor satire or ?

 

[Meriweather]

SweetSue92's insane ramblings. Rejected.

Joseph Smith's comments on baptism of the dead is rejected by all but the LDS Church. SweetSue92 's comments are accepted by Christians except those of the LDS faith.

Other than Paul's brief mention in 1 Corinthians 15:29--which was not an endorsement--there is no other mention of this practice in or outside the Bible. In fact, Paul's point wasn't even about baptism; it was about belief of resurrection after death because that was being questioned.

 

[Cougarbear]

Is this poor satire or ?

I can't help you if you think the apostles didn't write down what they saw and witnessed. That's your pathetic understanding. Explain why you think they didn't?

 

[Paradoxical#1]

I can't help you if you think the apostles didn't write down what they saw and witnessed. That's your pathetic understanding. Explain why you think they didn't?

The apostles didn’t write the Bible. You do not know this?

 

[Cougarbear]

Joseph Smith's comments on baptism of the dead is rejected by all but the LDS Church. SweetSue92 's comments are accepted by Christians except those of the LDS faith.

Other than Paul's brief mention in 1 Corinthians 15:29--which was not an endorsement--there is no other mention of this practice in or outside the Bible. In fact, Paul's point wasn't even about baptism; it was about belief of resurrection after death because that was being questioned.

Interesting you would mention the reason for Paul to use the practice of baptism for the dead for the reason to believe in the resurrection. Points out that it was wide spread the use of baptism for the dead. The ordinance was discontinued for what reason? Why? Do you have any reasons for it to be discontinued past the Council of Nicene?

The entire Atonement is a vicarious ordinance that the Lord did in our behalf. Why would it seem so strange to do baptisms for the dead vicariously for those who died without the Law of Christ preached and taught to them? The main law is no one can enter into the presence of God without being baptized by water and the spirit. I don't know how many of people lived on the earth prior to the Lord's time on the earth 2000 years ago. Maybe a few billion. Why should all of them not have the opportunity to go to heaven and be with God? Seems pretty cruel after the Lord went to be with those people and preach to them. And Paul was there shortly after the crucifixion.

The Epistle of Paul to the Laodiceans, and previous letters of Paul to the Corinthians and Ephesians are missing. Perhaps there was much more about baptisms for the dead written in these. Perhaps many other writings are lost of the other apostles concerning this ordinance too. What I do know is a latter-day prophet was able to restore information concerning this and other Temple ordinances the Lord had given to his apostles and disciples. So that those without the opportunity like you to learn about, accept, and get done for yourself, can not be left behind in hell. Thinking that because you happen to wonder into a chapel of a Protestant Church, or a Cathedral in the Roman Catholic Church allows you to be special above others not so lucky is very, very sad news. That they have no hope and are damned because of chance of being born in the wrong place at the wrong time. I reject such pride and accept the restored Gospel of Jesus Christ and his Church to the earth through the Prophet Joseph Smith.

 

[Meriweather]

Points out that it was wide spread the use of baptism for the dead.

No, it doesn't.

Thinking that because you happen to wonder into a chapel of a Protestant Church, or a Cathedral in the Roman Catholic Church allows you to be special above others

No one is thinking this.

 

[Cougarbear]

No, it doesn't.

No one is thinking this.

Ya? Then what do you think happens to all who don't get lucky and are born into a Gospel centered home? Born at the wrong time? Born at the wrong place? If you aren't thinking about this then it can only be because you don't care about those people. So, I say again, the practice of baptisms for the dead were wide spread at the time of Paul and I'm sure for decades if not centuries to come. Just because it comes up once in what we have as the bible doesn't mean it wasn't wide spread and done. Remember, back then, they didn't have computers to do massive genealogy and record keeping of their kindred dead. Widespread doesn't mean thousands were being done a day like in today's world. It was just done in every city that had a Church in it.

 

[Zebra]

How does anyone know what Jesus said since the gospels by unknown writers were written many decades later, and there is no evidence anyone remembered verbatim what he said and saved it?

a general question