Veterans are being told to pay back bonuses..........

[Moonglow]

I went from AR to RA and got busted down three grades...

Ouch, but the ranks work differently. You went from an e-6 to an E-3? Just guessing cause I knew two other people that happened to when they went RA in 80 because of the economy. They were Vietnam era combat vets and had to take orders from a dude who thought being a good soldier was wearing starched fatigues every day.

Specialist-4 to a ******* buck private.....Yet, when you get in an over staff slot, any former MOS will work..I did 71L in the reserves and new all the regs...So I could easily pull the strings...The OKARNG was no fun as a 27E....and the RA didn't need me as a 52D....

 

[JimBowie1958]

The OKARNG was no fun as a 27E....and the RA didn't need me as a 52D....

What the hell was an OKARNG? I was 11B and probably would just shoot it. 27E? 52D?

 

[Moonglow]

The OKARNG was no fun as a 27E....and the RA didn't need me as a 52D....

What the hell was an OKARNG? I was 11B and probably would just shoot it. 27E? 52D?

Oklahoma National Guard...27E is a TOW missile systems repair and 52D is a Power Generation repair, 71L is Admin Specialist...at Division Command Center...

 

[ABikerSailor]

I'm guessing what is being left unsaid is that the people that recieved the bonuses were knowingly involved in fraud. One guy sounds stupid and would rather lose his military benefits than pay back the bonus.

Actually, in the military, you kinda depend on the personnel clerk to tell you what bonuses you are or are not eligible for.

And, I promise you, no personnel clerk will pay you a bonus that you are not eligible for. Why? Because there is too much paperwork for the authorization that can easily be traced. They have to verify your eligibility with the regs, figure out from the regs provided what the bonus amount is, type a Pg. 13 Record of Memorandum stating that you received the bonus, as well as the other documents that you send to disbursing to get the payment made.

Nope, there was no fraud here, just a bunch of idiots at the top who write the regs that got it wrong. Everyone down the chain was just following what the regs said.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Now veterans are being told that even though they risked their asses by going into war zones in the ME, they are not eligible for the bonuses they were given and are being told they have to repay them. Many were given enlistment bonuses of 15,000 or more.

Pentagon Demands Return Of Cash Bonuses Paid To California Soldiers For Going To War A Decade Ago

Now, considering that most of our military live paycheck to paycheck because they don't get paid enough (an E-6 over 20 years of service only makes 36,000/yr), most of them will have a financial hardship in paying back the money.

I say let them keep the money, and let it go at that. They served in a war zone and risked their asses. They deserve the money for reenlisting and going back into a war zone.

Does anyone else find this reprehensible?

The only reason I laugh is it's your side thats screwing them.
Kinda like our Vets.

 

[Moonglow]

If you like sex join the military, they **** every day...

 

[Asclepias]

I'm guessing what is being left unsaid is that the people that recieved the bonuses were knowingly involved in fraud. One guy sounds stupid and would rather lose his military benefits than pay back the bonus.

Actually, in the military, you kinda depend on the personnel clerk to tell you what bonuses you are or are not eligible for.

And, I promise you, no personnel clerk will pay you a bonus that you are not eligible for. Why? Because there is too much paperwork for the authorization that can easily be traced. They have to verify your eligibility with the regs, figure out from the regs provided what the bonus amount is, type a Pg. 13 Record of Memorandum stating that you received the bonus, as well as the other documents that you send to disbursing to get the payment made.

Nope, there was no fraud here, just a bunch of idiots at the top who write the regs that got it wrong. Everyone down the chain was just following what the regs said.

Depends. The frontline recruiters get bonuses for the people they get to reenlist. I've been through the process and there is a lot of corruption in the military.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Of all the people to **** . . .

Disgusting!

I'm not sure anyone is getting screwed here.

seems like they didn't deserve the bonuses to begin with but someone at the state level was pushing them through fraudulently - screwing over everyone else

I bet they all knew they were not eligible for the bonuses and took it anyway. This is the national guard from what the link says.

"The Pentagon is seeking to recover decade-old reenlistment bonuses paid to thousands of California Army National Guard soldiers to go fight in Iraq and Afghanistan, the Los Angeles Times reported Saturday."

I'm trying to figure out why dont they go after the state instead of the people? Of course the state is going to go after them then.

Hey.................if they went over there and put boots down in a war zone, as far as I'm concerned, they completed the requirements for getting the money. Like I asked before, how many people do YOU know who would be willing to get shot at for 6 months for only 15,000?

One of the dumbest excuses I heard for getting back the bonus was on the news tonight. Seems that some dude had served a full 20 years active duty, and then, because he liked the lifestyle, kept on with a Reservist outfit and was asked if he'd deploy if they paid him a bonus. He said sure and went, they paid him the money, but now are saying that because he retired from active duty he isn't eligible for the bonus, even though he spent a full deployment over there getting shot at.

Has this made you think about your loyalties ?

 

[JimBowie1958]

If you like sex join the military, they **** every day...

But who wants to play catcher?

oh, wait......

 

[JimBowie1958]

Has this made you think about your loyalties ?

Are you ******* serious? He is a Democrat, for Gawds Sake!

 

[ABikerSailor]

I'm guessing what is being left unsaid is that the people that recieved the bonuses were knowingly involved in fraud. One guy sounds stupid and would rather lose his military benefits than pay back the bonus.

Actually, in the military, you kinda depend on the personnel clerk to tell you what bonuses you are or are not eligible for.

And, I promise you, no personnel clerk will pay you a bonus that you are not eligible for. Why? Because there is too much paperwork for the authorization that can easily be traced. They have to verify your eligibility with the regs, figure out from the regs provided what the bonus amount is, type a Pg. 13 Record of Memorandum stating that you received the bonus, as well as the other documents that you send to disbursing to get the payment made.

Nope, there was no fraud here, just a bunch of idiots at the top who write the regs that got it wrong. Everyone down the chain was just following what the regs said.

Depends. The frontline recruiters get bonuses for the people they get to reenlist. I've been through the process and there is a lot of corruption in the military.

Dunno how it works in your service, but I can tell you how it works in the Navy.

For people on their initial enlistment? Getting them in is taken care of by recruiters, and recruiters DO NOT get any kind of bonus for people they bring into the service.

For those who are already in and working on their first or subsequent enlistment? Well, that job is taken care of by the Career Counselor (of which most commands have only 1), and they will help them figure out what their benefits would be, as well as many help service members to negotiate orders to their next command, but NONE OF THEM were ever paid a bonus for how many people they got to stay in.

I know this because I was a Personnelman in the Navy from '82 until '02.

 

[JimBowie1958]

I'm guessing what is being left unsaid is that the people that recieved the bonuses were knowingly involved in fraud. One guy sounds stupid and would rather lose his military benefits than pay back the bonus.

Actually, in the military, you kinda depend on the personnel clerk to tell you what bonuses you are or are not eligible for.

And, I promise you, no personnel clerk will pay you a bonus that you are not eligible for. Why? Because there is too much paperwork for the authorization that can easily be traced. They have to verify your eligibility with the regs, figure out from the regs provided what the bonus amount is, type a Pg. 13 Record of Memorandum stating that you received the bonus, as well as the other documents that you send to disbursing to get the payment made.

Nope, there was no fraud here, just a bunch of idiots at the top who write the regs that got it wrong. Everyone down the chain was just following what the regs said.

Depends. The frontline recruiters get bonuses for the people they get to reenlist. I've been through the process and there is a lot of corruption in the military.

Dunno how it works in your service, but I can tell you how it works in the Navy.

For people on their initial enlistment? Getting them in is taken care of by recruiters, and recruiters DO NOT get any kind of bonus for people they bring into the service.

For those who are already in and working on their first or subsequent enlistment? Well, that job is taken care of by the Career Counselor (of which most commands have only 1), and they will help them figure out what their benefits would be, as well as many help service members to negotiate orders to their next command, but NONE OF THEM were ever paid a bonus for how many people they got to stay in.

I know this because I was a Personnelman in the Navy from '82 until '02.

So you serviced sailors?

 

[Asclepias]

I'm guessing what is being left unsaid is that the people that recieved the bonuses were knowingly involved in fraud. One guy sounds stupid and would rather lose his military benefits than pay back the bonus.

Actually, in the military, you kinda depend on the personnel clerk to tell you what bonuses you are or are not eligible for.

And, I promise you, no personnel clerk will pay you a bonus that you are not eligible for. Why? Because there is too much paperwork for the authorization that can easily be traced. They have to verify your eligibility with the regs, figure out from the regs provided what the bonus amount is, type a Pg. 13 Record of Memorandum stating that you received the bonus, as well as the other documents that you send to disbursing to get the payment made.

Nope, there was no fraud here, just a bunch of idiots at the top who write the regs that got it wrong. Everyone down the chain was just following what the regs said.

Depends. The frontline recruiters get bonuses for the people they get to reenlist. I've been through the process and there is a lot of corruption in the military.

Dunno how it works in your service, but I can tell you how it works in the Navy.

For people on their initial enlistment? Getting them in is taken care of by recruiters, and recruiters DO NOT get any kind of bonus for people they bring into the service.

For those who are already in and working on their first or subsequent enlistment? Well, that job is taken care of by the Career Counselor (of which most commands have only 1), and they will help them figure out what their benefits would be, as well as many help service members to negotiate orders to their next command, but NONE OF THEM were ever paid a bonus for how many people they got to stay in.

I know this because I was a Personnelman in the Navy from '82 until '02.

This is the National Guard which is basically the Army. I can only speak to what I saw of that branch. I was offered all kinds of money I didn't qualify for to reenlist. One of my friends who is still enlisted and a recruiter told me he gets bonuses just for being a recruiter not to mention the money he gets for getting people to reenlist or enlist.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Has this made you think about your loyalties ?

Are you ******* serious? He is a Democrat, for Gawds Sake!

What was I thinking?
I know better,they're totally attached to the commy way.

 

[ABikerSailor]

I'm guessing what is being left unsaid is that the people that recieved the bonuses were knowingly involved in fraud. One guy sounds stupid and would rather lose his military benefits than pay back the bonus.

Actually, in the military, you kinda depend on the personnel clerk to tell you what bonuses you are or are not eligible for.

And, I promise you, no personnel clerk will pay you a bonus that you are not eligible for. Why? Because there is too much paperwork for the authorization that can easily be traced. They have to verify your eligibility with the regs, figure out from the regs provided what the bonus amount is, type a Pg. 13 Record of Memorandum stating that you received the bonus, as well as the other documents that you send to disbursing to get the payment made.

Nope, there was no fraud here, just a bunch of idiots at the top who write the regs that got it wrong. Everyone down the chain was just following what the regs said.

Depends. The frontline recruiters get bonuses for the people they get to reenlist. I've been through the process and there is a lot of corruption in the military.

Dunno how it works in your service, but I can tell you how it works in the Navy.

For people on their initial enlistment? Getting them in is taken care of by recruiters, and recruiters DO NOT get any kind of bonus for people they bring into the service.

For those who are already in and working on their first or subsequent enlistment? Well, that job is taken care of by the Career Counselor (of which most commands have only 1), and they will help them figure out what their benefits would be, as well as many help service members to negotiate orders to their next command, but NONE OF THEM were ever paid a bonus for how many people they got to stay in.

I know this because I was a Personnelman in the Navy from '82 until '02.

This is the National Guard which is basically the Army. I can only speak to what I saw of that branch. I was offered all kinds of money I didn't qualify for to reenlist. One of my friends who is still enlisted and a recruiter told me he gets bonuses just for being a recruiter not to mention the money he gets for getting people to reenlist or enlist.

Doesn't work that way in the Navy. If a recruiter for initial enlistments meets or exceeds their goal for the month (usually 2 people/month, depending on the district), they are given a wreath to put around their recruiter badge for the first award, and a star for each wreath earned after that. If a recruiter fails to meet their goal, and does so for 3 months, then they are re-evaluated and either given another shot at recruiting or sent back to the fleet. No money bonuses are given to recruiters for getting people to enlist.

When you get out to the fleet? Then the job of getting you to reenlist falls to the Command Career Counselor, who will assist you with negotiation of orders to your next duty station, as well as will inform you of what bonuses or programs you are eligible to reenlist for. Many of the CC's work in the admin office, because that is where most of the reference manuals are. And no, a CC does NOT receive any kind of monetary bonuses for keeping the command's retention level high. At the most? If they do really good, they might be awarded a Navy Achievement Medal (NAM) for their efforts. If they do really crappy and can't get anyone to reenlist? They are relieved of their duties and someone else who wants the job steps in. As a CC, at the time I was in they came from one of two places..............either (a) they went to school and converted to the CC rating, or (b) they volunteered for it and earned an NEC (Navy Enlisted Classification Code) designating them as such.

But...............I guess the Army and National Guard do things a lot different. Sounds like they aren't as ethical either.

Spent 20 years in the Navy as a Personnelman, and the last 2 1/2 years, I was working as the LPO and Head Classifier at Amarillo MEPS from 1999 until mid 2002.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

Now veterans are being told that even though they risked their asses by going into war zones in the ME, they are not eligible for the bonuses they were given and are being told they have to repay them. Many were given enlistment bonuses of 15,000 or more.

Pentagon Demands Return Of Cash Bonuses Paid To California Soldiers For Going To War A Decade Ago

Now, considering that most of our military live paycheck to paycheck because they don't get paid enough (an E-6 over 20 years of service only makes 36,000/yr), most of them will have a financial hardship in paying back the money.

I say let them keep the money, and let it go at that. They served in a war zone and risked their asses. They deserve the money for reenlisting and going back into a war zone.

Does anyone else find this reprehensible?

Can we all come together and agree that the veterans keep the money and get refunded for payments already taken?

 

[ABikerSailor]

Now veterans are being told that even though they risked their asses by going into war zones in the ME, they are not eligible for the bonuses they were given and are being told they have to repay them. Many were given enlistment bonuses of 15,000 or more.

Pentagon Demands Return Of Cash Bonuses Paid To California Soldiers For Going To War A Decade Ago

Now, considering that most of our military live paycheck to paycheck because they don't get paid enough (an E-6 over 20 years of service only makes 36,000/yr), most of them will have a financial hardship in paying back the money.

I say let them keep the money, and let it go at that. They served in a war zone and risked their asses. They deserve the money for reenlisting and going back into a war zone.

Does anyone else find this reprehensible?

Can we all come together and agree that the veterans keep the money and get refunded for payments already taken?

That would be how I would handle it. And yes............those who have already paid back the bonuses need to be refunded what they paid back. Having to take out another mortgage just because some DC general screwed up is beyond the pale.

 

[WillowTree]

Now veterans are being told that even though they risked their asses by going into war zones in the ME, they are not eligible for the bonuses they were given and are being told they have to repay them. Many were given enlistment bonuses of 15,000 or more.

Pentagon Demands Return Of Cash Bonuses Paid To California Soldiers For Going To War A Decade Ago

Now, considering that most of our military live paycheck to paycheck because they don't get paid enough (an E-6 over 20 years of service only makes 36,000/yr), most of them will have a financial hardship in paying back the money.

I say let them keep the money, and let it go at that. They served in a war zone and risked their asses. They deserve the money for reenlisting and going back into a war zone.

Does anyone else find this reprehensible?

aren't libtards stupid pos?

Never waste an opportunity to blame something on liberals sight unseen....eh?

Why not? Liberals blame Republicans for everything. Ewe got hurt feelings?

 

[bodecea]

Now veterans are being told that even though they risked their asses by going into war zones in the ME, they are not eligible for the bonuses they were given and are being told they have to repay them. Many were given enlistment bonuses of 15,000 or more.

Pentagon Demands Return Of Cash Bonuses Paid To California Soldiers For Going To War A Decade Ago

Now, considering that most of our military live paycheck to paycheck because they don't get paid enough (an E-6 over 20 years of service only makes 36,000/yr), most of them will have a financial hardship in paying back the money.

I say let them keep the money, and let it go at that. They served in a war zone and risked their asses. They deserve the money for reenlisting and going back into a war zone.

Does anyone else find this reprehensible?

aren't libtards stupid pos?

Never waste an opportunity to blame something on liberals sight unseen....eh?

Why not? Liberals blame Republicans for everything. Ewe got hurt feelings?

Actually, if you bothered to look, I am giving kudos to two Republican Congressmen for taking this on.....and no...my feelings aren't hurt. I'm not the simpleton who immediately blames XXXX party for everything.

 

[bodecea]

Now veterans are being told that even though they risked their asses by going into war zones in the ME, they are not eligible for the bonuses they were given and are being told they have to repay them. Many were given enlistment bonuses of 15,000 or more.

Pentagon Demands Return Of Cash Bonuses Paid To California Soldiers For Going To War A Decade Ago

Now, considering that most of our military live paycheck to paycheck because they don't get paid enough (an E-6 over 20 years of service only makes 36,000/yr), most of them will have a financial hardship in paying back the money.

I say let them keep the money, and let it go at that. They served in a war zone and risked their asses. They deserve the money for reenlisting and going back into a war zone.

Does anyone else find this reprehensible?

Can we all come together and agree that the veterans keep the money and get refunded for payments already taken?

That would be how I would handle it. And yes............those who have already paid back the bonuses need to be refunded what they paid back. Having to take out another mortgage just because some DC general screwed up is beyond the pale.

Agreed.