Zone1 Very few people want to know the Truth

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And you can't really have much truth without proof.

Actually, you can't have much truth without objectivity. If you want objectivity explore all sides and have no preference for an outcome despite the consequence to yourself or others. It's hard to do but the rewards are immense and powerful. Confront reality. Die to self. It's pretty much what all religions teach even if it isn't obvious that that's what they are teaching.

 

[ding]

Their beliefs are their faith , and if they're proven wrong or otherwise degraded , it challenges their faith

Sure and that applies to atheists as well.

The trick is to have no preference for an outcome other than truth. That's when the magic happens... so to speak.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Chosen for what?

~S~

For the blessings that God promised to Abraham concerning Abraham's descendants. That's all it is. It's not that the Jews are anymore special to God than His other children, it is because God and Abraham were friends, and covenants were made between them.

 

[Crepitus]

Faith is having complete trust in something or someone. I never put complete trust in something or someone without good reason.

And what is that good reason?

 

[Crepitus]

The antithesis of truth is error.

Lol, nope. The two words are completely unrelated.

 

[Crepitus]

Religion has nothing to do with evidence or proof.

That's exactly what I just said.

Religion is about teaching how to live life and how not to live life. Religion teaches civility and how to navigate the "storms" or complexities of life. The foundation for which is that religion's perception of God.

So it's all about controlling the masses.

We already knew that.

 

[sparky]

So it's all about controlling the masses.

When placed in the hands of certain entities.....>>>>

~S~

 

[sparky]

Sure and that applies to atheists as well.

The trick is to have no preference for an outcome other than truth. That's when the magic happens... so to speak.

But I'm not an atheist Ding

I'm a recovering Catholic , i d*mn well know the $ paid for some shill hierchary's interpretation of 'truth'

They are literally the devil incarnate to me

~S~

 

[otto105]

See what I mean?

You don't even bother to investigate the "proof" that I have presented

wow.. hope you don't call yourself Scientific any time soon... Scientists actually investigate the claims of others before dismissing them. But oh well.. Jesus did say that Few find the Way...

Your opinion doesn't equal truth.

Never will in regard to religion and needing faith to believe in it.

 

[sparky]

Your opinion doesn't equal truth.

Yet the 'truth' amounts to no more than opinion Otto.....~S~

 

[otto105]

Yet the 'truth' amounts to no more than opinion Otto.....~S~

Like the earth is round?

That it revolves around the sun.

Is part of a vast solar system and not the center of everything or flat.

Sorry sparky, there are truths.

 

[sparky]

Sorry sparky, there are truths.

To those who've faith Otto......~S~

 

[otto105]

To those who've faith Otto......~S~

Faith didn't teach us that the world was round.

Science proved it.

 

[sparky]

Science proved it.

Science is fact (or it least it used to be ) , which faith requires nothing of Otto ~S~

 

[otto105]

Science is fact (or it least it used to be ) , which faith requires nothing of Otto ~S~

Yup, science isn't based on faith that the world is round.

 

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And what is that good reason?

There's no good reason you would accept. So why should I bother?

 

[ding]

Lol, nope. The two words are completely unrelated.

In the context of the discussion that followed they are related. Maybe try reading it in context instead of parsing it out of context.

 

[ding]

That's exactly what I just said.

Again you are parsing out the context. You most certainly did not say that...

...Religion is about teaching how to live life and how not to live life. Religion teaches civility and how to navigate the "storms" or complexities of life. The foundation for which is that religion's perception of God.

So when I say religion isn't about evidence or proof it's in the context of what I said religion was about.

 

[ding]

So it's all about controlling the masses.

We already knew that.

That's exactly how Karl Marx and Vladimir Lenin saw religion.

Here's how William James saw religion...

"When all is said and done, we are in the end absolutely dependent on the universe; and into sacrifices and surrenders of some sort, deliberately looked at and accepted, we are drawn and pressed into our only permanent positions of repose. Now in those states of mind which fall short of belief in a higher power, the surrender is submitted to as an imposition of necessity, and the sacrifice is undergone at the very best without complaint. In the life of a believer, on the contrary, surrender and sacrifice are positively espoused: even unnecessary givings-up are added in order that the happiness may increase. Belief in God thus makes easy and felicitous what in any case is necessary; and if it be the only agency that can accomplish this result, its vital importance as a human faculty stands vindicated beyond dispute. It becomes an essential organ of our life, performing a function which no other portion of our nature can so successfully fulfill." William James

I think I much prefer William James view of religion over yours, Lenin and Marx.

 

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But I'm not an atheist Ding

I'm a recovering Catholic , i d*mn well know the $ paid for some shill hierchary's interpretation of 'truth'

They are literally the devil incarnate to me

~S~

I didn't say you were and I didn't say you weren't. I have no idea. Not sure if you do either.