Verifying Your Political ID

[g5000]

Here is one such contract which is one of the sources of the rumors:

ATK (NYSE: ATK) announced that it is being awarded an Indefinite Delivery/Indefinite Quantity (IDIQ) agreement from the Department of Homeland Security, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (DHS, ICE) for .40 caliber ammunition. This contract features a base of 12 months, includes four option years, and will have a maximum volume of 450 million rounds.

ATK Secures .40 Caliber Ammunition Contract with Department of Homeland Security

It's an IDIQ contract.

Four option years. These have not actually been purchased.

"Maximum volume of 450 million rounds."

Key word: Maximum.

That does not mean 450 million rounds will actually be purchased.

Especially when you read the small print:

Forward-looking information is subject to certain risks, trends, and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those projected. Among those factors are: changes in governmental spending, budgetary policies and product sourcing strategies; the company's competitive environment; the terms and timing of awards and contracts; economic conditions; the supply, availability and costs of raw materials and components; or reliance on a key supplier. ATK undertakes no obligation to update any forward-looking statements.

DHS has not significantly changed the actual amount of ammo it has been buying every year since Bush invented the DHS.

 

[Uncensored2008]

I explained to you how those IDIQ purchase contracts work, BCR. The DHS did not take delivery of anywhere near those rounds, and never will.

Then what is the point of the purchase order? Why did the DHS memo that I linked say they would take delivery of more than 70 million rounds per year? The fact is that you're just fucking lying. You're tying to be a good little Obamabot - but you're coming off as a fucking retard.

Do you need to see the evidence oyour idiocy again?

The fact that I converse with a dishonest hack like you?

That IS some pretty compelling evidence...

Oh, and the only one babbling about FEMA camps is you, retard. You think your straw man is really clever.

 

[Uncensored2008]

ATK Secures .40 Caliber Ammunition Contract with Department of Homeland Security

It's an IDIQ contract.

Four option years. These have not actually been purchased.

"Maximum volume of 450 million rounds."

Key word: Maximum.

That does not mean 450 million rounds will actually be purchased.

Especially when you read the small print:

Forward-looking information is subject to certain risks, trends, and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those projected. Among those factors are: changes in governmental spending, budgetary policies and product sourcing strategies; the company's competitive environment; the terms and timing of awards and contracts; economic conditions; the supply, availability and costs of raw materials and components; or reliance on a key supplier. ATK undertakes no obligation to update any forward-looking statements.

DHS has not significantly changed the actual amount of ammo it has been buying every year since Bush invented the DHS.

That's ONE specific round, retard.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Here's a Political ID test for ya!

Do you believe the US Army is going to start rounding up American citizens and put them in FEMA camps any day now like the starter of this topic does?


If so, your verified Political ID is "Batshit Crazy Rube".

So.....I destroyed you so thoroughly earlier in the thread....that you're trying to save face???


Why?


You never had any cachet to begin with, dunce.




I thought post #18 ripped you up pretty well.....didn't you?
http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/328981-verifying-your-political-id-2.html

 

[Kosh]

It is funny to see the far left invoke the "separation of Church and state" in many political ranting's, yet have no clue what it means.

If there were true separation of "church and state" the government would not be allowed to perform weddings, we would not have "so help you God" in the court rooms.

However this same phrase was used in order to remove the ten commandants from in front of government buildings like court rooms.

The Separation Of Church and State

The phrase "separation of church and state" does not appear anywhere in the Constitution. Thomas Jefferson wrote that the 1st Amendment erected a "wall of separation" between the church and the state (James Madison said it "drew a line," but it is Jefferson's term that sticks with us today). The phrase is commonly thought to mean that the government should not establish, support, or otherwise involve itself in any religion. The Religion Topic Page addresses this issue in much greater detail.

Things That Are Not In the U.S. Constitution - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net

 

[PoliticalChic]

It is funny to see the far left invoke the "separation of Church and state" in many political ranting's, yet have no clue what it means.

If there were true separation of "church and state" the government would not be allowed to perform weddings, we would not have "so help you God" in the court rooms.

However this same phrase was used in order to remove the ten commandants from in front of government buildings like court rooms.

The Separation Of Church and State

The phrase "separation of church and state" does not appear anywhere in the Constitution. Thomas Jefferson wrote that the 1st Amendment erected a "wall of separation" between the church and the state (James Madison said it "drew a line," but it is Jefferson's term that sticks with us today). The phrase is commonly thought to mean that the government should not establish, support, or otherwise involve itself in any religion. The Religion Topic Page addresses this issue in much greater detail.

Things That Are Not In the U.S. Constitution - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net

Think we should tell ErroneousJoe B?

 

[Cecilie1200]

Can you say "stupid"?

Nyvin.

That was easy. Give us a hard question next time.

 

[SwimExpert]

Surprising, isn't it, how very different the views of Liberals and conservatives are.
The following is a series of statements which our Liberal pals fervently believe to be true.....at least they subscribe to the majority of them.



So...here's a quick check to see if...or make sure.... you've fallen into the abyss of Liberalism:



True or False:


1. The "1%" is made up of millionaires and billionaires who stole their wealth from the 99%.


2. The Constitution mandates separation of church and state.

2a. Studying case law, the decisions of courts, is the only way to apply the Constitution.


3. The laws of economics don't apply to healthcare: the government can provide healthcare for all, and of higher quality than presently available, and at a considerable savings!


4. While Democrat Party was the source and wellspring of racism up until 1964, the parties switched attitudes that year, and the Republicans became the racists.



5. Senator Joseph McCarty committed a crime of greater magnitude by revealing the Soviet spies in the Roosevelt government, than that of the spies themselves.


6. Religion has been responsible for the deaths of more human beings than non-religion!


7. Bush was responsible for the Mortgage Meltdown.

7a. Gore won.


8. Rights are only those entitlements allowed by governments....and can be withdrawn by same.


9. Gorbachev was as responsible for ending the Cold War as President Reagan was.


10. It's a racist nation, and that's the reason for criticism of Obama.


Bonus question: The United States was founded based on the Enlightenment, and, therefore, is not based on Judeo-Christian values.





Ready?
OK.....let's mark your paper.....and no erasing and no crossing out!

Correct answers: all of 'em are absolutely, positively, "false."

How'd ya' do?
Liberal or conservative?
....but, you knew that already, didn't you.

Unfortunately I lost a rather lengthy reply at the very last minute, and I can't be bothered right now to retype it. Suffice it to say that all you are doing here is trolling. Most of what you've said here is designed to draw lines based on the most extreme political ideas. Some of what you said is ridiculously stupid and would only be believed by extreme liberals. There are plenty of liberals who will disagree, but still be liberals. Others are things where non-extreme conservatives will disagree, because they're simply not extremist, they are rational.

But generally speaking, anyone who says McCarthy exposed spies is pretty much off their rocker. He did nothing of the sort. All he did was make baseless accusations, all of which were politically motivated and nothing more. That's why he was censured with wide bipartisan support. Oh, and FDR was dead by the time McCarthy was elected. McCarthy was in the Senate during the Truman and Eisenhower administrations. For God's sake, at least get the mundane facts right.

Conservatives like you are the reason why we've lost so much clout in politics. Conservatives like you are the reason so many people like idiots like Obama.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Surprising, isn't it, how very different the views of Liberals and conservatives are.
The following is a series of statements which our Liberal pals fervently believe to be true.....at least they subscribe to the majority of them.



So...here's a quick check to see if...or make sure.... you've fallen into the abyss of Liberalism:



True or False:


1. The "1%" is made up of millionaires and billionaires who stole their wealth from the 99%.


2. The Constitution mandates separation of church and state.

2a. Studying case law, the decisions of courts, is the only way to apply the Constitution.


3. The laws of economics don't apply to healthcare: the government can provide healthcare for all, and of higher quality than presently available, and at a considerable savings!


4. While Democrat Party was the source and wellspring of racism up until 1964, the parties switched attitudes that year, and the Republicans became the racists.



5. Senator Joseph McCarty committed a crime of greater magnitude by revealing the Soviet spies in the Roosevelt government, than that of the spies themselves.


6. Religion has been responsible for the deaths of more human beings than non-religion!


7. Bush was responsible for the Mortgage Meltdown.

7a. Gore won.


8. Rights are only those entitlements allowed by governments....and can be withdrawn by same.


9. Gorbachev was as responsible for ending the Cold War as President Reagan was.


10. It's a racist nation, and that's the reason for criticism of Obama.


Bonus question: The United States was founded based on the Enlightenment, and, therefore, is not based on Judeo-Christian values.





Ready?
OK.....let's mark your paper.....and no erasing and no crossing out!

Correct answers: all of 'em are absolutely, positively, "false."

How'd ya' do?
Liberal or conservative?
....but, you knew that already, didn't you.

Unfortunately I lost a rather lengthy reply at the very last minute, and I can't be bothered right now to retype it. Suffice it to say that all you are doing here is trolling. Most of what you've said here is designed to draw lines based on the most extreme political ideas. Some of what you said is ridiculously stupid and would only be believed by extreme liberals. There are plenty of liberals who will disagree, but still be liberals. Others are things where non-extreme conservatives will disagree, because they're simply not extremist, they are rational.

But generally speaking, anyone who says McCarthy exposed spies is pretty much off their rocker. He did nothing of the sort. All he did was make baseless accusations, all of which were politically motivated and nothing more. That's why he was censured with wide bipartisan support. Oh, and FDR was dead by the time McCarthy was elected. McCarthy was in the Senate during the Truman and Eisenhower administrations. For God's sake, at least get the mundane facts right.

Conservatives like you are the reason why we've lost so much clout in politics. Conservatives like you are the reason so many people like idiots like Obama.

1. Thank you for not making me wait to determine that you are pretty much a dope.

This did it:
"anyone who says McCarthy exposed spies is pretty much off their rocker."

It seems that there is no end of posters with strong opinions, and absolutely no knowledge of the subject.
You serve as a case in point.


Most folks acknowledge that the Venona Papers pretty much proved what McCarthy said.

You haven't read them, have you?
Nor any books by Haynes and Klehr?
Nor Romerstein and Breindel?
Nor "The Sword and the Shield: The Mitrokhin Archive and the Secret History of the KGB" by Christopher Andrew and Vasili Mitrokhin?

Perhaps you've never read any books......

Well, at least this much can be said of you: Not only are you a fool, but you have the energy to let everyone know it!





2. "Oh, and FDR was dead by the time McCarthy was elected. McCarthy was in the Senate during the Truman and Eisenhower administrations. For God's sake, at least get the mundane facts right."

And where did you find said error?
It seems that reading skills are part of your problem.....perhaps the reason you don't read.


"Democrats want endless, pontifical investigations into how 9/11 happened, but they can't comprehend why McCarthy wanted an investigation into how an immense network of Soviet spies managed to run rampant through the Democratic administrations of Franklin D. Roosevelt and Harry S. Truman. "
Ann Coulter - December 5, 2007 - THEY'LL NEVER FORGIVE YOU



My writing is accurate.

It is your reading as to where the problem lies.

 

[SwimExpert]

I think I made a mistake. I took you seriously. I now see you're schizophrenic. You are not entitled to adopt your own "facts." There is no reasonable discussion to be had with you, since insert blatant falsehoods as if they were facts.

Just do the country a favor and remain silent when it comes election time. We don't need you poisoning the conservative cause and ushering in a President Biden in the process.

 

[JoeB131]

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Just...please.....where do you find separation of church and state in the Constitution?

First Amendment--- where everyone else does.

 

[JoeB131]

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2. "Oh, and FDR was dead by the time McCarthy was elected. McCarthy was in the Senate during the Truman and Eisenhower administrations. For God's sake, at least get the mundane facts right."

And where did you find said error?
It seems that reading skills are part of your problem.....perhaps the reason you don't read.


"Democrats want endless, pontifical investigations into how 9/11 happened, but they can't comprehend why McCarthy wanted an investigation into how an immense network of Soviet spies managed to run rampant through the Democratic administrations of Franklin D. Roosevelt and Harry S. Truman. "
Ann Coulter - December 5, 2007 - THEY'LL NEVER FORGIVE YOU



My writing is accurate.

It is your reading as to where the problem lies.

You do get that McCarthy didn't find any actual spies, and that a lot of people's lives were ruined because of false accussations, right?

 

[gipper]

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2. "Oh, and FDR was dead by the time McCarthy was elected. McCarthy was in the Senate during the Truman and Eisenhower administrations. For God's sake, at least get the mundane facts right."

And where did you find said error?
It seems that reading skills are part of your problem.....perhaps the reason you don't read.


"Democrats want endless, pontifical investigations into how 9/11 happened, but they can't comprehend why McCarthy wanted an investigation into how an immense network of Soviet spies managed to run rampant through the Democratic administrations of Franklin D. Roosevelt and Harry S. Truman. "
Ann Coulter - December 5, 2007 - THEY'LL NEVER FORGIVE YOU



My writing is accurate.

It is your reading as to where the problem lies.

You do get that McCarthy didn't find any actual spies, and that a lot of people's lives were ruined because of false accussations, right?

Can you please name the people whose lives were ruined?

 

[JoeB131]

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And where did you find said error?
It seems that reading skills are part of your problem.....perhaps the reason you don't read.


"Democrats want endless, pontifical investigations into how 9/11 happened, but they can't comprehend why McCarthy wanted an investigation into how an immense network of Soviet spies managed to run rampant through the Democratic administrations of Franklin D. Roosevelt and Harry S. Truman. "
Ann Coulter - December 5, 2007 - THEY'LL NEVER FORGIVE YOU



My writing is accurate.

It is your reading as to where the problem lies.

You do get that McCarthy didn't find any actual spies, and that a lot of people's lives were ruined because of false accussations, right?

Can you please name the people whose lives were ruined?

How about John Service?

John S. Service ? The Man Who ?Lost China? | Association for Diplomatic Studies and Training

John Service, the son of missionaries who grew up in China, was one of the Department’s “China hands,” an expert on the region who also served as a key member of the “Dixie Mission,” which met with Mao and other Communist Chinese in Yenan in 1944. He and a few others correctly predicted that Chiang Kai-Shek, leader of the Kuomintang, would fall because of the KMT’s corruption, incompetence and brutality. However, this position ran afoul of Senator Joseph McCarthy, who blamed Service and his colleagues for “losing China” because of their Communist sympathies. In 1950, McCarthy singled out Service as one of “the 205 known communists” in the State Department; he was dismissed from the Foreign Service on December 13, 1951.

In these excerpts, John’s wife Caroline describes the traumatic experience of being overseas while her husband is in Washington to answer McCarthy’s accusations. She tells of the lengthy court battle, which ended in the Supreme Court, the struggles to make ends meet, and his fight to win back his job and redeem his name. Ultimately he did win reinstatement, but he was unable to get his career back on track. She also notes the irony that one of the very people who had gotten Service dismissed because of his views on China — Richard Nixon — was the same person who would be praised years later for normalizing relations with Beijing. Caroline Service was interviewed by Jewell Fenzi on January 10, 1987.

 

[Kosh]

[q



Just...please.....where do you find separation of church and state in the Constitution?

First Amendment--- where everyone else does.

Oh my! Just goes to show how the far left does NOT understand the Constitution.

 

[JoeB131]

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Just...please.....where do you find separation of church and state in the Constitution?

First Amendment--- where everyone else does.

Oh my! Just goes to show how the far left does NOT understand the Constitution.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or restricting the free practice thereoff"

In short, you keep your church out of our state, we'll keep the state out of your church.

Unless you really want government resolving theological issues like whether Jesus was really made of wafers or not. I'm sure that'll turn out well.

 

[Kosh]

First Amendment--- where everyone else does.

Oh my! Just goes to show how the far left does NOT understand the Constitution.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or restricting the free practice thereoff"

In short, you keep your church out of our state, we'll keep the state out of your church.

Unless you really want government resolving theological issues like whether Jesus was really made of wafers or not. I'm sure that'll turn out well.

And the far left continues to show how little they know the Constitution.

The Separation Of Church and State

The phrase "separation of church and state" does not appear anywhere in the Constitution. Thomas Jefferson wrote that the 1st Amendment erected a "wall of separation" between the church and the state (James Madison said it "drew a line," but it is Jefferson's term that sticks with us today). The phrase is commonly thought to mean that the government should not establish, support, or otherwise involve itself in any religion. The Religion Topic Page addresses this issue in much greater detail.

Things That Are Not In the U.S. Constitution - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net

Ok now you far left drones put your money where your mouth is, get the government out of the business of marriage.

 

[JoeB131]

Oh my! Just goes to show how the far left does NOT understand the Constitution.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or restricting the free practice thereoff"

In short, you keep your church out of our state, we'll keep the state out of your church.

Unless you really want government resolving theological issues like whether Jesus was really made of wafers or not. I'm sure that'll turn out well.

And the far left continues to show how little they know the Constitution.

The Separation Of Church and State

The phrase "separation of church and state" does not appear anywhere in the Constitution. Thomas Jefferson wrote that the 1st Amendment erected a "wall of separation" between the church and the state (James Madison said it "drew a line," but it is Jefferson's term that sticks with us today). The phrase is commonly thought to mean that the government should not establish, support, or otherwise involve itself in any religion. The Religion Topic Page addresses this issue in much greater detail.

Things That Are Not In the U.S. Constitution - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net

Ok now you far left drones put your money where your mouth is, get the government out of the business of marriage.

Marriage existed before Christianity or even religion did.

The First Amendment had a purpose, to keep religion the fuck out of government.

Which again, you should consider a good thing. Do you really want the government telling you what the Bible says instead of your pastor? I mean, I know you religious types are all a bunch of stupid sheep, but somehow, I don't think you want to go there.

And some of us just don't want to have our lives run by a book written by bronze age shit-kickers.

 

[Kosh]

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or restricting the free practice thereoff"

In short, you keep your church out of our state, we'll keep the state out of your church.

Unless you really want government resolving theological issues like whether Jesus was really made of wafers or not. I'm sure that'll turn out well.

And the far left continues to show how little they know the Constitution.

The Separation Of Church and State

The phrase "separation of church and state" does not appear anywhere in the Constitution. Thomas Jefferson wrote that the 1st Amendment erected a "wall of separation" between the church and the state (James Madison said it "drew a line," but it is Jefferson's term that sticks with us today). The phrase is commonly thought to mean that the government should not establish, support, or otherwise involve itself in any religion. The Religion Topic Page addresses this issue in much greater detail.

Things That Are Not In the U.S. Constitution - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net

Ok now you far left drones put your money where your mouth is, get the government out of the business of marriage.

Marriage existed before Christianity or even religion did.

The First Amendment had a purpose, to keep religion the fuck out of government.

Which again, you should consider a good thing. Do you really want the government telling you what the Bible says instead of your pastor? I mean, I know you religious types are all a bunch of stupid sheep, but somehow, I don't think you want to go there.

And some of us just don't want to have our lives run by a book written by bronze age shit-kickers.

I guess you see Christianity as the only religion now, interesting.

While that is the standard far left argument (which has no real merit other than a talk point), marriage at the time was based on religion. Thus, marriage is a product of religion that the government should not be involved in.

So when you going to get the government out of marriage and put your money where your mouth is?

 

[JoeB131]

And the far left continues to show how little they know the Constitution.

The Separation Of Church and State

The phrase "separation of church and state" does not appear anywhere in the Constitution. Thomas Jefferson wrote that the 1st Amendment erected a "wall of separation" between the church and the state (James Madison said it "drew a line," but it is Jefferson's term that sticks with us today). The phrase is commonly thought to mean that the government should not establish, support, or otherwise involve itself in any religion. The Religion Topic Page addresses this issue in much greater detail.

Things That Are Not In the U.S. Constitution - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net

Ok now you far left drones put your money where your mouth is, get the government out of the business of marriage.

Marriage existed before Christianity or even religion did.

The First Amendment had a purpose, to keep religion the fuck out of government.

Which again, you should consider a good thing. Do you really want the government telling you what the Bible says instead of your pastor? I mean, I know you religious types are all a bunch of stupid sheep, but somehow, I don't think you want to go there.

And some of us just don't want to have our lives run by a book written by bronze age shit-kickers.

I guess you see Christianity as the only religion now, interesting.

While that is the standard far left argument (which has no real merit other than a talk point), marriage at the time was based on religion. Thus, marriage is a product of religion that the government should not be involved in.

So when you going to get the government out of marriage and put your money where your mouth is?

At what time was that?

Most of the Roman Empire wasn't Christian, but it had marriage as an institution.

So did most pre-Christian societies. Oh, some had polygamy and some had other arrangements, but the reality- Christianity imposed itself into marriage, not the other way around.

Which is amusing, as Early Christians insisted that they didn't get married, and dedicate themselves to Christ.

It is better not to marry. But if you must have sex, then get married. It's better to be married than burn forever in hell.

It is good for a man not to touch a woman. Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband. -- 1 Corinthians 7:1-2

For I would that all men were even as I myself.... I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I. But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn. -- 1 Corinthians 7:7-9

If you're not already married, don't get married. If you have a wife, don't have sex with her. There's not enough time since Jesus is coming soon.

Art thou bound unto a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife. -- 1 Corinthians 7:27

But this I say, brethren, the time is short: it remaineth, that both they that have wives be as though they had none. -- 1 Corinthians 7:29