Verifying Your Political ID

[gipper]

On Religion, from a Madison perspective......

Because we hold it for a fundamental and undeniable truth, "that religion or the duty which we owe to our Creator and the manner of discharging it, can be directed only by reason and conviction, not by force or violence." The Religion then of every man must be left to the conviction and conscience of every man; and it is the right of every man to exercise it as these may dictate. This right is in its nature an unalienable right. It is unalienable, because the opinions of men, depending only on the evidence contemplated by their own minds cannot follow the dictates of other men: It is unalienable also, because what is here a right towards men, is a duty towards the Creator. It is the duty of every man to render to the Creator such homage and such only as he believes to be acceptable to him. This duty is precedent, both in order of time and in degree of obligation, to the claims of Civil Society. Before any man can be considerd as a member of Civil Society, he must be considered as a subject of the Governour of the Universe: And if a member of Civil Society, do it with a saving of his allegiance to the Universal Sovereign. We maintain therefore that in matters of Religion, no man's right is abridged by the institution of Civil Society and that Religion is wholly exempt from its cognizance. True it is, that no other rule exists, by which any question which may divide a Society, can be ultimately determined, but the will of the majority; but it is also true that the majority may trespass on the rights of the minority.

Because Religion be exempt from the authority of the Society at large, still less can it be subject to that of the Legislative Body. The latter are but the creatures and vicegerents of the former. Their jurisdiction is both derivative and limited: it is limited with regard to the co-ordinate departments, more necessarily is it limited with regard to the constituents. The preservation of a free Government requires not merely, that the metes and bounds which separate each department of power be invariably maintained; but more especially that neither of them be suffered to overleap the great Barrier which defends the rights of the people. The Rulers who are guilty of such an encroachment, exceed the commission from which they derive their authority, and are Tyrants. The People who submit to it are governed by laws made neither by themselves nor by an authority derived from them, and are slaves.

Because it is proper to take alarm at the first experiment on our liberties. We hold this prudent jealousy to be the first duty of Citizens, and one of the noblest characteristics of the late Revolution. The free men of America did not wait till usurped power had strengthened itself by exercise, and entagled the question in precedents. They saw all the consequences in the principle, and they avoided the consequences by denying the principle. We revere this lesson too much soon to forget it. Who does not see that the same authority which can establish Christianity, in exclusion of all other Religions, may establish with the same ease any particular sect of Christians, in exclusion of all other Sects? that the same authority which can force a citizen to contribute three pence only of his property for the support of any one establishment, may force him to conform to any other establishment in all cases whatsoever? .........
Religious Freedom Page: Memorial and Remonstrance Against Religious Assessments, James Madison (1785)

Lets try to distinguish between God, Church, Individual, Society, and Government, here. Each of us either chooses to act for or against Conscience, to whatever degree. Accepting or denying the responsibility for that changes nothing. Still, matters of Conscience cannot be force fed or dictated.

I have read this before and every time I do, I get many new things from it.

The preservation of a free Government requires not merely, that the metes and bounds which separate each department of power be invariably maintained; but more especially that neither of them be suffered to overleap the great Barrier which defends the rights of the people. The Rulers who are guilty of such an encroachment, exceed the commission from which they derive their authority, and are Tyrants. The People who submit to it are governed by laws made neither by themselves nor by an authority derived from them, and are slaves.

The above warning is happening right now. Someone explain to me how an Executive Order from Barry putting off employer mandates for Obamacare does not encroach upon the specific powers of the Congress? Additionally, the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals has held that Barry EXCEEDED his authority by using recess appointments to fill the Labor Relations Board while Congress was still in session. Again, how does the above sentence NOT apply?

...but more especially that neither of them be suffered to overleap the great Barrier which defends the rights of the people

Someone also explain to me how the limiting of my 2nd Amendment rights is not in effect, EXACTLY what he is talking about in this quote?

The problem is, I am more firmly convinced that we approach a time in our nation when we are IN FACT living and putting up with tyranny. Surely not one of the kind where people disappear in the night, but tyranny none the less.

EXCELLENT POST POLITICAL CHIC! Concur... Case Closed.

I do not think you will get disagreement on the government and the POTUS overstepping their Constitutional authority...well, at least from many on the right.

Both parties are guilty of this and have been doing it for some time. The really unfortunate thing is the considerable number of Americans who are okay with this power grab or completely ignorant of it.

Those who understand history know that an uncontrolled government leads to tyranny and suffering for all, but the power elite.

 

[arKangel]

1. The "1%" is made up of millionaires and billionaires who stole their wealth from the 99%.
True, for the most part, judge them for their deeds correct?

2. The Constitution mandates separation of church and state.

2a. Studying case law, the decisions of courts, is the only way to apply the Constitution.
True. The state may not dictate your religious beliefs.
(a) True and false. Case law holds value, though decisions of courts are often bought and paid for.

3. The laws of economics don't apply to healthcare: the government can provide healthcare for all, and of higher quality than presently available, and at a considerable savings!
False. Equally false for the notion that insurance companies can provide any sort of healthcare of any quality... Their scam only survives by providing the poorest quality at the highest extortion rate.


4. While Democrat Party was the source and wellspring of racism up until 1964, the parties switched attitudes that year, and the Republicans became the racists.
False. Both parties are racist.

5. Senator Joseph McCarty committed a crime of greater magnitude by revealing the Soviet spies in the Roosevelt government, than that of the spies themselves.
False. McCarthy was right.


6. Religion has been responsible for the deaths of more human beings than non-religion!
False. Atheistic communism is responsible for most death of any religion, even compared all others combined. Everyone knows this.

7. Bush was responsible for the Mortgage Meltdown.

7a. Gore won.
False.
(a)Who cares?

8. Rights are only those entitlements allowed by governments....and can be withdrawn by same.
False.

9. Gorbachev was as responsible for ending the Cold War as President Reagan was.
False, the cold war is not over. America has lost.
Russia appears to have shaken the communist leach from their backsides, and the leaches have found a new host... America.
I am in the process of learning Russian myself, they seem to be one of the few nations who have their act together.

10. It's a racist nation, and that's the reason for criticism of Obama.
True and false. Any nation that practices government policies that discern "race" as a factor in policy are by definition "racist", the United States with it's practice of race based "affirmative action" is clearly racist. However, while Soetoro is a racist himself, criticism is generally based on his marxist and tyrannical behavior.

Bonus question: The United States was founded based on the Enlightenment, and, therefore, is not based on Judeo-Christian values.

True. America was founded on on enlightened Christian values.

I self identify as a Liberal.
3.5 out of 11, not so bad.

You seem to be confusing liberalism with communism.
It is amazing how many faux news/limbaugh drones are able to perpetuate such a contradiction in language.

 

[PoliticalChic]

1. The "1%" is made up of millionaires and billionaires who stole their wealth from the 99%.
True, for the most part, judge them for their deeds correct?

2. The Constitution mandates separation of church and state.

2a. Studying case law, the decisions of courts, is the only way to apply the Constitution.
True. The state may not dictate your religious beliefs.
(a) True and false. Case law holds value, though decisions of courts are often bought and paid for.

3. The laws of economics don't apply to healthcare: the government can provide healthcare for all, and of higher quality than presently available, and at a considerable savings!
False. Equally false for the notion that insurance companies can provide any sort of healthcare of any quality... Their scam only survives by providing the poorest quality at the highest extortion rate.


4. While Democrat Party was the source and wellspring of racism up until 1964, the parties switched attitudes that year, and the Republicans became the racists.
False. Both parties are racist.

5. Senator Joseph McCarty committed a crime of greater magnitude by revealing the Soviet spies in the Roosevelt government, than that of the spies themselves.
False. McCarthy was right.


6. Religion has been responsible for the deaths of more human beings than non-religion!
False. Atheistic communism is responsible for most death of any religion, even compared all others combined. Everyone knows this.

7. Bush was responsible for the Mortgage Meltdown.

7a. Gore won.
False.
(a)Who cares?

8. Rights are only those entitlements allowed by governments....and can be withdrawn by same.
False.

9. Gorbachev was as responsible for ending the Cold War as President Reagan was.
False, the cold war is not over. America has lost.
Russia appears to have shaken the communist leach from their backsides, and the leaches have found a new host... America.
I am in the process of learning Russian myself, they seem to be one of the few nations who have their act together.

10. It's a racist nation, and that's the reason for criticism of Obama.
True and false. Any nation that practices government policies that discern "race" as a factor in policy are by definition "racist", the United States with it's practice of race based "affirmative action" is clearly racist. However, while Soetoro is a racist himself, criticism is generally based on his marxist and tyrannical behavior.

Bonus question: The United States was founded based on the Enlightenment, and, therefore, is not based on Judeo-Christian values.

True. America was founded on on enlightened Christian values.

I self identify as a Liberal.
3.5 out of 11, not so bad.

You seem to be confusing liberalism with communism.
It is amazing how many faux news/limbaugh drones are able to perpetuate such a contradiction in language.

Whittaker Chambers wrote in his book WITNESS that liberals are/were incapable of ever effectively fighting Communism because they did not see anything in Communism that was antithetical to their own beliefs. In short, Liberals are Communists and Communists are Liberals.

He knew whereof he spoke.

You, on the other hand, don't.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Seems that the thread proved that Liberals have no trouble believing the false statements in the OP.

And....seems to me that any who disagreed with the facts provided were proven wrong.

So....here are another bunch that Liberals believe....but are equally false.



1. While communism is of the Left, the Nazis were right wing! (thanks, gipper)

2. Gun-Free Zones save lives!

3. "....the Constitution is what the judges say it is,..." Charles Evans Hughes

4. Abortion is a woman's prerogative, as the baby is simply a part of her body.

5. The purpose of taxes is to level the field, and take from those who have too much.



And...another bonus:
Homeschooling, unlike government schooling, produces really dumb children.



This is stuff that informs Libs.....

....no wonder they vote the way they do.

 

[gipper]

Seems that the thread proved that Liberals have no trouble believing the false statements in the OP.

And....seems to me that any who disagreed with the facts provided were proven wrong.

So....here are another bunch that Liberals believe....but are equally false.



1. While communism is of the Left, the Nazis were right wing! (thanks, gipper)

2. Gun-Free Zones save lives!

3. "....the Constitution is what the judges say it is,..." Charles Evans Hughes

4. Abortion is a woman's prerogative, as the baby is simply a part of her body.

5. The purpose of taxes is to level the field, and take from those who have too much.



And...another bonus:
Homeschooling, unlike government schooling, produces really dumb children.



This is stuff that informs Libs.....

....no wonder they vote the way they do.

Regarding the Nazi reference, Dennis Prager has a great column on this topic that explains much about the psychosis of the Left. He states the Left HATES the Right because they see the Right as Nazis...the Right must be EVIL...

The only way to understand what is happening to America in our time — and for that matter, in Europe since World War II — is to understand the left.
And one way to understand the left — and its enormous appeal to many decent people — is to understand what it learned from World War II and the Nazi experience. The lessons people draw from history go a long way toward explaining how they view the world and how they behave.
Unfortunately, virtually everything the left learned from the unique evil known as Nazism has been wrong.
The first lesson was that the right is evil, not merely wrong. Because Nazism has been successfully labelled “right-wing,” virtually every right-wing position and leader has been either cynically or sincerely characterized by the left as a danger to civilization. That is why the right is so often labelled fascist and compared to Nazis. Vast numbers of people in the West truly believe that if the right prevails, fascism will follow.
Of course, Nazism was not right-wing — certainly not in American terms. How could it be? Right-wing means less government, not more. Nor was it left-wing, even though “Nazism” was an abbreviation for National Socialism.
Nazism was sui generis. It was radical racism combined with totalitarianism; and racism as a doctrine is neither right nor left.
We have no contemporary movement of any major significance that is Nazi-like. The closest thing we have is Islamist hatred of non-Muslims — but even that is mostly religion- rather than race-based.
The association of Nazism with right-wing is one reason many Jews loathe the right. In the Jewish psyche, to fight the right is to fight incipient Nazism.
The second lesson the left learned is directly related to the first. If the right is so evil that, if allowed to prevail, Nazism will follow, then surely the left must be beautiful and noble. And that, of course, is how the left sees itself — as inherently beautiful and noble. After all, how can the opposite of Nazism be anything but noble?
The third erroneous lesson is a deep fear and loathing of nationalism. Since the Nazis committed their crimes in the name of nationalism (race-based nationalism, to be precise), nationalism must be curbed. That explains much of the left’s contempt for Americans who wave the flag — indeed, the left has rendered the term “flag-wavers” a pejorative term.
How else to explain the fact that on American national holidays one finds so many more flags displayed in conservative areas than in liberal ones? The trauma of World War I had already killed nationalism in much of Europe. And World War II did that for the left in America.
The left regards any assertion of American national identity — not merely flag-waving — as chauvinism bordering on fascism. When the left charges Americans who fear the dilution of American national identity that could follow citizenship for tens of millions of illegal immigrants with “xenophobia,” and “racism,” it is not only a cynical attempt to cultivate Latino votes for the Democratic Party. It is also a sincere belief that conservative concerns about American national identity are reminiscent of chauvinist bigotry.
The most obvious example of left-wing opposition to American nationalism is its cultivation of “multiculturalism” as a replacement for American national identity. For the left, American citizens are no longer Americans first and foremost; we are African-Americans, Asian-Americans, Hispanic- or Latino-Americans, Native-Americans, etc. The left celebrates what precedes the hyphen far more than the “American” that follows it. As a result, America no longer instills traditional American values and an American identity on either those born here or in its immigrants, which is the reason for the right’s concern over illegal immigration, not bigotry and xenophobia.
A fourth lesson the left learned from Nazism has been that no judging of cultures is permissible. Because the Nazis deemed Jews and others as inferior, we are no longer allowed to judge other cultures. In the post-World War II world of the left, all cultures are equal. To say that the contemporary Islamic world, or that black inner city culture, has serious moral problems that these cultures need to address is to be labelled dangerously racist — again reminiscent, for the left, of the Nazis who declared other groups (inherently) defective. For the left, the only cultures one may judge adversely are white American and religious Jewish and Christian.
The Left Learned Wrong Lessons from Nazism « The Dennis Prager Show The Dennis Prager Show

 

[OriginalShroom]

2. The Constitution mandates separation of church and state.

2a. Studying case law, the decisions of courts, is the only way to apply the Constitution.

Nice attempt at poisoning the well.

Let's seeeee... Who was that guy who wrote, "I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between Church & State'"?

Oh yeah! Thomas Jefferson! Conservative hero and advocate of the Bill of Rights. Lookee there, he uses the language of the First Amendment and explains that means the separation of church and state literally in the same sentence! I believe he knew what the Constitution mandates better than what some ignorant dunderheads a couple centuries later do.

Case law also support this.

Evidently you have difficulty reading plain English...

I don't hold that against you... It is common among people who have relied upon the Public Liberal School System.

Might I suggest you go back and re-read that using critical thinking instead of the Liberal, anti-religion bias which has been ingrained into you?

 

[auditor0007]

Surprising, isn't it, how very different the views of Liberals and conservatives are.
The following is a series of statements which our Liberal pals fervently believe to be true.....at least they subscribe to the majority of them.



So...here's a quick check to see if...or make sure.... you've fallen into the abyss of Liberalism:



True or False:


1. The "1%" is made up of millionaires and billionaires who stole their wealth from the 99%.

Many in the top 1% have received preferential tax benefits that have helped them add to their wealth. How that came about is up for debate, but none the less, it happened. The biggest benefit came in way of capital gains tax rates that were ridiculously low and only really helped the truly wealthy.


2. The Constitution mandates separation of church and state.

It's not about separation; the government just is not permitted to promote any state religion or to promote one religion over another. This is really quite simple.

2a. Studying case law, the decisions of courts, is the only way to apply the Constitution.

The Constitution is open to interpretation. Even the second amendment is open to interpretation. If it was not, then we would never have any debates on the constitutionality of many issues.


3. The laws of economics don't apply to healthcare: the government can provide healthcare for all, and of higher quality than presently available, and at a considerable savings!

Many of the laws of economics do not apply to healthcare. Can government run our healthcare system more efficiently than the private sector? That is open for debate. Countries with the most efficient systems, in both terms of cost and care, tend to have a system that combines both where the private sector and government work together. The biggest problem in the US is that we have an either/or attitude about the private sector and government.


4. While Democrat Party was the source and wellspring of racism up until 1964, the parties switched attitudes that year, and the Republicans became the racists.

Plenty of racists in both parties.


5. Senator Joseph McCarty committed a crime of greater magnitude by revealing the Soviet spies in the Roosevelt government, than that of the spies themselves.

McCarthy called anyone and everyone a communist. He did a great disservice to this country and ruined many good people's lives. On top of that he had an agenda against gays that was detrimental to many who were not even gay. Glad he died a miserable death.


6. Religion has been responsible for the deaths of more human beings than non-religion!

Religion or no religion, when radical ideology comes into play, it usually ends up being lethal to many.


7. Bush was responsible for the Mortgage Meltdown.

If anyone was solely responsible, it was Greenspan, but there were many factors. I don't see how any one person could be blamed.

7a. Gore won.

Gore received more votes. Gore also likely received more votes in Florida, but his lawyers did not ask for a recount of the entire state. Based on what we know, if there had been a recount of the four counties requested, Bush still would have won.


8. Rights are only those entitlements allowed by governments....and can be withdrawn by same.

Rights are determined by the society that people live in, either by the people themselves or by a dictator. It really is that simple.


9. Gorbachev was as responsible for ending the Cold War as President Reagan was.

Reagan most likely did speed the process up, but it did come at a cost to US taxpayers.


10. It's a racist nation, and that's the reason for criticism of Obama.

Criticism of either party comes mostly from differences in political ideology than anything else, but do not for one minute believe that racism plays no part in any of the criticism of Obama.


Bonus question: The United States was founded based on the Enlightenment, and, therefore, is not based on Judeo-Christian values.

Oh brother....


Ready?
OK.....let's mark your paper.....and no erasing and no crossing out!

Correct answers: all of 'em are absolutely, positively, "false."

How'd ya' do?
Liberal or conservative?
....but, you knew that already, didn't you.

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I do so appreciate it when people with a second grade education make the attempt to answer questions that actually require knowledge.


"Many in the top 1% have received preferential tax benefits that have helped them add to their wealth..

a. New figures from Smart Money show that only 3% of millionaires inherited their wealth. That means 97% earned their vast fortune themselves. Smart Money also reports that 80% of millionaires are extra thrifty shoppers. Many of them even clip coupons! "

Millionaires clip coupons and other secrets of the rich! on clarkhoward.com

b. Of course, your blather is even more true of those on government assistance.



" He [McCarthy] did a great disservice to this country and ruined many good people's lives."
No he didnt.
Try to name a few......
Bet you can't.



"Gore received more votes. Gore also likely received more votes in Florida,..."
No he didn't.

a. In the first full study of Florida's ballots since the election ended, The Miami Herald and USA Today reported George W. Bush would have widened his 537-vote victory to a 1,665-vote margin if the recount ordered by the Florida Supreme Court would have been allowed to continue, using standards that would have allowed even faintly dimpled "undervotes" -- ballots the voter has noticeably indented but had not punched all the way through -- to be counted.
Redirect

b. The lead of an April 4, 2001 USA Today story headlined, “Newspapers' recount shows Bush prevailed,” by reporter Dennis Cauchon:




"Rights are determined by the society that people live in, either by the people themselves or by a dictator. It really is that simple."
No....simple is what you are.
a. A right is something an individual has by virtue of being human.
b. Rights are exercised by individuals, and are not given nor ascribed by any person of group, especially government
c. Even ignorant folks in the US should be aware of this: We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
d. . "Unalienable: incapable of being alienated, that is, sold and transferred." Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, page 1523:



So.....in every case you have either been dead wrong, or have not fully responded.

It seems you've failed the quiz.
So sorry.

When will you stop being such a major failure at life? You constantly throw stupid statements out there and can never back them up with anything other than your stupid drivel.

The Florida Recount of 2000

Q: When the votes were recounted in Florida, who won the 2000 presidential election?
A: Nobody can say for sure who might have won. A full, official recount of all votes statewide could have gone either way, but one was never conducted.
FULL ANSWER
According to a massive months-long study commissioned by eight news organizations in 2001, George W. Bush probably still would have won even if the U.S. Supreme Court had allowed a limited statewide recount to go forward as ordered by Florida’s highest court.
Bush also probably would have won had the state conducted the limited recount of only four heavily Democratic counties that Al Gore asked for, the study found.
On the other hand, the study also found that Gore probably would have won, by a range of 42 to 171 votes out of 6 million cast, had there been a broad recount of all disputed ballots statewide. However, Gore never asked for such a recount. The Florida Supreme Court ordered only a recount of so-called "undervotes," about 62,000 ballots where voting machines didn’t detect any vote for a presidential candidate.

The Florida Recount of 2000

As you will notice, I stated that Gore still would have lost if they recounted the counties he requested to be recounted, but you are so determined that you need to make some kind of point that you just ignore what I stated and continue on with your babbling.

Good grief, get a grip.

Oh, and btw, McCarthy was a scourge on this country, and yes he did destroy many lives with his lies.

Throughout the 1940s and 1950s America was overwhelmed with concerns about the threat of communism growing in Eastern Europe and China. Capitalizing on those concerns, a young Senator named Joseph McCarthy made a public accusation that more than two hundred “card-carrying” communists had infiltrated the United States government. Though eventually his accusations were proven to be untrue, and he was censured by the Senate for unbecoming conduct, his zealous campaigning ushered in one of the most repressive times in 20th-century American politics.

While the House Un-American Activities Committee had been formed in 1938 as an anti-Communist organ, McCarthy’s accusations heightened the political tensions of the times. Known as McCarthyism, the paranoid hunt for infiltrators was notoriously difficult on writers and entertainers, many of whom were labeled communist sympathizers and were unable to continue working. Some had their passports taken away, while others were jailed for refusing to give the names of other communists. The trials, which were well publicized, could often destroy a career with a single unsubstantiated accusation. Among those well-known artists accused of communist sympathies or called before the committee were Dashiell Hammett, Waldo Salt, Lillian Hellman, Lena Horne, Paul Robeson, Elia Kazan, Arthur Miller, Aaron Copland, Leonard Bernstein, Charlie Chaplin and Group Theatre members Clifford Odets, Elia Kazan, and Stella Adler. In all, three hundred and twenty artists were blacklisted, and for many of them this meant the end of exceptional and promising careers.

Arthur Miller - McCarthyism | American Masters | PBS

For someone who pretends to be so intellectual, you really are dumb. And I'm sure it must suck knowing you have just been schooled by someone with only a second grade education.

 

[JoeB131]

1. The "1%" is made up of millionaires and billionaires who stole their wealth from the 99%.

A little more complicated than that... but the fact that 1% control 43% of the wealth really is a problem.

2. The Constitution mandates separation of church and state.

Um, yeah, it does.

2a. Studying case law, the decisions of courts, is the only way to apply the Constitution.

Not sure what you are getting at here, both sides run to the courts when they can't get their way at the ballot box or the legistlature.

3. The laws of economics don't apply to healthcare: the government can provide healthcare for all, and of higher quality than presently available, and at a considerable savings!

Proven true by the fact that EVERY other industrialized nation provides single payer health care, they spend less, have longer life expectencies, lower infant mortality rates and better overall health of their people.

4. While Democrat Party was the source and wellspring of racism up until 1964, the parties switched attitudes that year, and the Republicans became the racists.

Again, a little more complicated than that. Both parties were kind of racist before 1964, but the GOP spent the next 30 years doubling down to try to get the poor whites to vote against their own economic interests. they are trying to walk that back now because it isn't selling.

5. Senator Joseph McCarty committed a crime of greater magnitude by revealing the Soviet spies in the Roosevelt government, than that of the spies themselves.

No, McCarthy's crime was accussing innocent men of being "communists", including the China Hands at the State Department and the Hollywood Ten, none of whom were "soviet agents".

6. Religion has been responsible for the deaths of more human beings than non-religion!

Again, more complicated than that.

7. Bush was responsible for the Mortgage Meltdown.

7a. Gore won.

Gore got more votes. Gore won.

8. Rights are only those entitlements allowed by governments....and can be withdrawn by same.

There are no rights, there are only privilages society lets you have. Has nothing to do with government at all. Government usually does things we want done collectively, even if we don't want to admit it.

9. Gorbachev was as responsible for ending the Cold War as President Reagan was.

Probably more so... but neither had much effect on the fall of Russian Imperialism, which had nothing to do with idealogies.

10. It's a racist nation, and that's the reason for criticism of Obama.

Do you read some of the posts by your fellow right wingers?

Bonus question: The United States was founded based on the Enlightenment, and, therefore, is not based on Judeo-Christian values.

Read some of their writings... Yeah, they were.

 

[PoliticalChic]

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I do so appreciate it when people with a second grade education make the attempt to answer questions that actually require knowledge.


"Many in the top 1% have received preferential tax benefits that have helped them add to their wealth..

a. New figures from Smart Money show that only 3% of millionaires inherited their wealth. That means 97% earned their vast fortune themselves. Smart Money also reports that 80% of millionaires are extra thrifty shoppers. Many of them even clip coupons! "

Millionaires clip coupons and other secrets of the rich! on clarkhoward.com

b. Of course, your blather is even more true of those on government assistance.



" He [McCarthy] did a great disservice to this country and ruined many good people's lives."
No he didnt.
Try to name a few......
Bet you can't.



"Gore received more votes. Gore also likely received more votes in Florida,..."
No he didn't.

a. In the first full study of Florida's ballots since the election ended, The Miami Herald and USA Today reported George W. Bush would have widened his 537-vote victory to a 1,665-vote margin if the recount ordered by the Florida Supreme Court would have been allowed to continue, using standards that would have allowed even faintly dimpled "undervotes" -- ballots the voter has noticeably indented but had not punched all the way through -- to be counted.
Redirect

b. The lead of an April 4, 2001 USA Today story headlined, “Newspapers' recount shows Bush prevailed,” by reporter Dennis Cauchon:




"Rights are determined by the society that people live in, either by the people themselves or by a dictator. It really is that simple."
No....simple is what you are.
a. A right is something an individual has by virtue of being human.
b. Rights are exercised by individuals, and are not given nor ascribed by any person of group, especially government
c. Even ignorant folks in the US should be aware of this: We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
d. . "Unalienable: incapable of being alienated, that is, sold and transferred." Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, page 1523:



So.....in every case you have either been dead wrong, or have not fully responded.

It seems you've failed the quiz.
So sorry.

When will you stop being such a major failure at life? You constantly throw stupid statements out there and can never back them up with anything other than your stupid drivel.

The Florida Recount of 2000

Q: When the votes were recounted in Florida, who won the 2000 presidential election?
A: Nobody can say for sure who might have won. A full, official recount of all votes statewide could have gone either way, but one was never conducted.
FULL ANSWER
According to a massive months-long study commissioned by eight news organizations in 2001, George W. Bush probably still would have won even if the U.S. Supreme Court had allowed a limited statewide recount to go forward as ordered by Florida’s highest court.
Bush also probably would have won had the state conducted the limited recount of only four heavily Democratic counties that Al Gore asked for, the study found.
On the other hand, the study also found that Gore probably would have won, by a range of 42 to 171 votes out of 6 million cast, had there been a broad recount of all disputed ballots statewide. However, Gore never asked for such a recount. The Florida Supreme Court ordered only a recount of so-called "undervotes," about 62,000 ballots where voting machines didn’t detect any vote for a presidential candidate.

The Florida Recount of 2000

As you will notice, I stated that Gore still would have lost if they recounted the counties he requested to be recounted, but you are so determined that you need to make some kind of point that you just ignore what I stated and continue on with your babbling.

Good grief, get a grip.

Oh, and btw, McCarthy was a scourge on this country, and yes he did destroy many lives with his lies.

Throughout the 1940s and 1950s America was overwhelmed with concerns about the threat of communism growing in Eastern Europe and China. Capitalizing on those concerns, a young Senator named Joseph McCarthy made a public accusation that more than two hundred “card-carrying” communists had infiltrated the United States government. Though eventually his accusations were proven to be untrue, and he was censured by the Senate for unbecoming conduct, his zealous campaigning ushered in one of the most repressive times in 20th-century American politics.

While the House Un-American Activities Committee had been formed in 1938 as an anti-Communist organ, McCarthy’s accusations heightened the political tensions of the times. Known as McCarthyism, the paranoid hunt for infiltrators was notoriously difficult on writers and entertainers, many of whom were labeled communist sympathizers and were unable to continue working. Some had their passports taken away, while others were jailed for refusing to give the names of other communists. The trials, which were well publicized, could often destroy a career with a single unsubstantiated accusation. Among those well-known artists accused of communist sympathies or called before the committee were Dashiell Hammett, Waldo Salt, Lillian Hellman, Lena Horne, Paul Robeson, Elia Kazan, Arthur Miller, Aaron Copland, Leonard Bernstein, Charlie Chaplin and Group Theatre members Clifford Odets, Elia Kazan, and Stella Adler. In all, three hundred and twenty artists were blacklisted, and for many of them this meant the end of exceptional and promising careers.

Arthur Miller - McCarthyism | American Masters | PBS

For someone who pretends to be so intellectual, you really are dumb. And I'm sure it must suck knowing you have just been schooled by someone with only a second grade education.

1. In short -- to recount a close race is acceptable and that is exactly what happened. The vote-counting machines handed the win to Bush a SECOND time.

In a study of the Florida's ballots, the Miami Herald and USA Today reported George W. Bush would have widened his 537-vote victory to a 1,665-vote margin if the recount ordered by the Florida Supreme Court would have been allowed to continue, using standards that would have allowed even faintly dimpled "undervotes" -- ballots the voter has noticeably indented but had not punched all the way through -- to be counted.

Electoral Vote...

George W Bush 271


Albert Gore, Jr. 266


Bush won the popular vote in 60% of the 50 states,

Gore, winning the popular vote in 40% of the states

George W. Bush won 2,434 (78%) of the nation's 3,111 counties;
Al Gore won 677 (22%) of the counties

George Bush won 51 (77%) of Florida's 67 counties

Gore won 16 (23%) of the counties (primarily the population centers)

http://mwhodges.home.att.net/election2000.htm








2. Now for the garbage that you posted about the hero. Senator Joseph McCarthy......


".... yes he did destroy many lives with his lies."


Now watch how I ram that right back down your ignorant throat:

You posted this:
"While the House Un-American Activities Committee ,,,,called before the committee were.....blah blah blah...."


a. Hollywood Blacklisting had nothing to do with McCarthy. The ‘Hollywood Ten’ were called before the HUAC in 1947. McCarthy had just been elected to the Senate, and the Alger Hiss exposure, indictment and conviction occurred before McCarthy made his famous 1950 speech in Wheeling, West Virginia, before McCarthy did any investigating of Hollywood.


b. Lives destroyed????
Really?
When anti-communism took its toll in Hollywood, the blacklisting took the “deadly” form of not having ones name in the credits, or living in Paris, or not being able to sell a teleplay for as much as three years.

This for folks who had no problem with Ukrainian farmers and their children eating their shoes.



c. An example?

From “blacklist survivor” Norma Barzman about her ‘exile’ in Paris: “We had dinner with Picasso every Tuesday night when we were at our country house in Provence. It was hard, but it was the time of my life.” (Dennis Hamilton, “Keeper of the Flame: A Blacklist Survivor,” Los Angeles Times, October 3, 2000)
The horror, the horror.


d. More?

“Ten Hollywood scribblers who subscribed to an ideology responsible for murder by the millions refused to admit their membership in the Communist Party to a House Committee. All they had to do was ‘fess up. But they felt they had the right not to tell the truth, so they were briefly jailed for contempt.” (Ann Coulter, “Treason,” p.77)

BTW, when the ‘Ten’ claimed a First Amendment right not to answer the House’s questions, the Supreme Court refused to even hear the case. (THE SUPREME COURT: The Hollywood Ten - TIME

So...are you a moron or an imbecile?
Which?




3. "Though eventually his accusations were proven to be untrue,..."

If you weren't so stupid, you'd recognize this as an outright lie.
He was correct and proven true: read the "Venona Papers," any of Haynes and Klehr's books or Romerstein and Breindel.....

Arthur Schlesinger, jr, liberal writer and Pulitzer Prize recipient, bitterly denounced anyone who said Duggan was a spy…until the Venona decrypts proved it. (Ronald Radosh, “The Book Club, The Cold War: Still a Hot Topic, Slate Magazine, June 24, 1999)

pick up a book!


a. Bet you didn't know that in 1954, Senator Hubert Humphrey introduced a bill that would have outlawed the Communist Party. (Joshua Muravchik, “Seeing Red,” The National Interest, Fall 1996)





4. Go ahead.....tell me how these communist sympathizers were "destroyed," you dope!

Dashiell Hammett, Waldo Salt, Lillian Hellman, Lena Horne, Paul Robeson, Elia Kazan, Arthur Miller, Aaron Copland, Leonard Bernstein, Charlie Chaplin and Group Theatre members Clifford Odets, Elia Kazan, and Stella Adler. In all, three hundred and twenty artists were blacklisted, and for many of them this meant the end of exceptional and promising careers.



5. And.....you fool.....the communists were the ones in Hollywood making sure that anti-communists didn't work.

That's right....blacklisting by the communists:

"Communists in high positions in Hollywood were able to see to it that ant-Communist works never made it to the screen. Writing in "The Worker," Dalton Trumbo bragged about de facto anti-Communist blacklisting. "We have produced a few fine films in Hollywood, a great many of which were vulgar and opportunistic and a few downright vicious. If you tell me Hollywood, in contrast with the novel and the theater, has produced nothing so provocative or so progressive as Freedom Road or Deep Are the Roots, I will grant you the point, but I may also add that neither has Hollywood produced anything so untrue or so reactionary as The Yogi and the Commissar, Out of the Night, Report on the Russians, There Shall Be No Night, orAdventures of a Young Man. Nor does Hollywood's forthcoming schedule include such tempting items as James T. Farrell Bernard Clare, Victor A. Kravchenko I Chose Freedom, or the so-called biography of Stalin by Leon Trotsky."
FrontPage Magazine - Orwell vs. Communism



Dalton Trumbo.....his 'backlisting" was so horrid!
"This meant that he couldn’t use his real name on screenplays…so he wrote under the name ‘Robert Rich.’

In 1949, Arthur Schlesinger Jr., wrote in The Saturday Review of Books, that Trumbo was in fact NOT a free speech martyr since he would not fight for freedom of speech for ALL the people, such as right-wing conservatives, but only for the freedom of speech of CPUSA members."
Dalton Trumbo - Biography - IMDb






You can check on every fact I post.....I never post what I cannot document.


So.....which of us has second grade education, you moron?

 

[PoliticalChic]

1. The "1%" is made up of millionaires and billionaires who stole their wealth from the 99%.

A little more complicated than that... but the fact that 1% control 43% of the wealth really is a problem.

2. The Constitution mandates separation of church and state.

Um, yeah, it does.



Not sure what you are getting at here, both sides run to the courts when they can't get their way at the ballot box or the legistlature.




Proven true by the fact that EVERY other industrialized nation provides single payer health care, they spend less, have longer life expectencies, lower infant mortality rates and better overall health of their people.




Again, a little more complicated than that. Both parties were kind of racist before 1964, but the GOP spent the next 30 years doubling down to try to get the poor whites to vote against their own economic interests. they are trying to walk that back now because it isn't selling.





No, McCarthy's crime was accussing innocent men of being "communists", including the China Hands at the State Department and the Hollywood Ten, none of whom were "soviet agents".





Again, more complicated than that.




Gore got more votes. Gore won.




There are no rights, there are only privilages society lets you have. Has nothing to do with government at all. Government usually does things we want done collectively, even if we don't want to admit it.




Probably more so... but neither had much effect on the fall of Russian Imperialism, which had nothing to do with idealogies.

10. It's a racist nation, and that's the reason for criticism of Obama.

Do you read some of the posts by your fellow right wingers?

Bonus question: The United States was founded based on the Enlightenment, and, therefore, is not based on Judeo-Christian values.

Read some of their writings... Yeah, they were.

I see you're burnishing your credentials as "Erroneous Joe."
Everything you wrote is incorrect.....

...to be expected with one with your record.


Here is exactly where you prove to have zero knowledge of history:
"The Constitution mandates separation of church and state.[/quote]

Um, yeah, it does."



Just...please.....where do you find separation of church and state in the Constitution?

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

Surprising, isn't it, how very different the views of Liberals and conservatives are.
The following is a series of statements which our Liberal pals fervently believe to be true.....at least they subscribe to the majority of them.
Ready?
OK.....let's mark your paper.....and no erasing and no crossing out!

Correct answers: all of 'em are absolutely, positively, "false."

How'd ya' do?
Liberal or conservative?
....but, you knew that already, didn't you.

Another mindless, meaningless waste of cyberspace. More pixelated methane.

If you truly want to find out what your political leanings are, take this test at isidewith.com:

2013 Political Quiz

I took it. I side more with the Green Party by 88%. Answer the questions honestly and use the "How important is this to you?" slider scale to get complete accuracy.

 

[hazlnut]

Get it?

I'm calling your "argument" in the OP and bullshit straw man… A lie, a misrepresentation of what liberals think or say.

 

[gipper]

So true....

Whenever liberals are in a tight spot, they adopt the scorched-earth policy of argumentation. With no answer, they start demanding that you define words: What do you mean “liberal”? What do you mean “democracy”? What do you mean “patriotism”?

They retreat from argument, burning the English language as they go. - Ann Coulter

 

[Uncensored2008]

I see you're burnishing your credentials as "Erroneous Joe."
Everything you wrote is incorrect.....

...to be expected with one with your record.

Um, yeah, it does."



Just...please.....where do you find separation of church and state in the Constitution?

The thing to remember with Comrade JoeB Stalin is that his claims are simply made up.

While most of the leftists here download talking points from KOS or Communist Dreams, JoeB just makes it up out of thin air.

You can't debate him, because he operates from a position of pure fantasy.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Another mindless, meaningless waste of cyberspace. More pixelated methane.

If you truly want to find out what your political leanings are, take this test at isidewith.com:

2013 Political Quiz

I took it. I side more with the Green Party by 88%. Answer the questions honestly and use the "How important is this to you?" slider scale to get complete accuracy.

Yeah, she kicked your commie ass - AGAIN, and you're left with no rebuttal but to spew ad hom.

I truly love PoliticalChic!

 

[g5000]

Here's a Political ID test for ya!

Do you believe the US Army is going to start rounding up American citizens and put them in FEMA camps any day now like the starter of this topic does?


If so, your verified Political ID is "Batshit Crazy Rube".

 

[g5000]

Here's another verified Batshit Crazy Rube:

They cut a P.O.

That's a contract. No doubt there is a 10% clause, so it may end up a little less, or a little more.

Either way, DHS is requisitioning far more Ammo than the Army, Navy, and Marines combined.

Standard Disclaimer: They don't actually give the Air Force guns, do they?

 

[g5000]

Another quiz question: In what year will the Batshit Crazy Rubes finally wake up with a sheepish look on their faces when they realize their DHS/Army FEMA masturbatory fantasy was all a giant hoax on them?

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

Another mindless, meaningless waste of cyberspace. More pixelated methane.

If you truly want to find out what your political leanings are, take this test at isidewith.com:

2013 Political Quiz

I took it. I side more with the Green Party by 88%. Answer the questions honestly and use the "How important is this to you?" slider scale to get complete accuracy.

Yeah, she kicked your commie ass - AGAIN, and you're left with no rebuttal but to spew ad hom.

I truly love PoliticalChic!

Yes, that's your other screen name on here. I get it.

Did you take the test? Or are you afraid you might not cut it as a true rightie?

 

[Uncensored2008]

Here's a Political ID test for ya!

Do you believe the US Army is going to start rounding up American citizens and put them in FEMA camps any day now like the starter of this topic does?


If so, your verified Political ID is "Batshit Crazy Rube".

You leftists always think the army is going to side with you when you finally dissolve the Constitution.

I think you're going to be in for a big surprise.

Of course I think the leftists in Washington know full well that the military won't back them, which is why they have militarized the secret police.