Vegan mother is found guilty over death of 18-month-old son who weighed just 17lb when he died

[Carl in Michigan]

I don't understand why people care what others do. I'm not vegan but if others want to be, that affects me in absolutely no way. I have friends that are vegan and somehow we get along just fine. We even go out to dinner together. Not once have I felt this need to condemn their choice or really, even to question them over it.

I like this. Most meat eaters come out LOOKING for a fight. I'm pushing my beliefs on NO ONE, but I will always state my opinion, especially when the ignorant start mocking what they clearly don't understand.

 

[buttercup]

Not correct:

Harvard

School of Public Health

Vitamin B 12

Excerpt:

Vitamin B12, or cobalamin, is naturally found in animal foods. It can also be added to foods or supplements. Vitamin B12 is needed to form red blood cells and DNA. It is also a key player in the function and development of brain and nerve cells.

Vitamin B12 binds to the protein in the foods we eat. In the stomach, hydrochloric acid and enzymes unbind vitamin B12 into its free form. From there, vitamin B12 combines with a protein called intrinsic factor so that it can be absorbed further down in the small intestine.

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Mayo Clinic thinks the same:

Vitamin B 12

Overview​

Vitamin B-12 (cobalamin) plays an essential role in red blood cell formation, cell metabolism, nerve function and the production of DNA, the molecules inside cells that carry genetic information.

Food sources of vitamin B-12 include poultry, meat, fish and dairy products. Vitamin B-12 is also added to some foods, such as fortified breakfast cereals, and is available as an oral supplement. Vitamin B-12 injections or nasal spray might be prescribed to treat vitamin B-12 deficiency.

LINK

You seem to be misunderstanding. Just because it can be found in animals (it's also found in humans) doesn't mean animals or humans produce it. It's produced by bacteria.

And again, because of poor soil these days, in a lot of cases the livestock are injected with a B12 supplement, so if you get it through eating animals, you're getting a supplement 2nd hand, filtered through a dead body.

There's no need for that, when you get it in an isolated form.

 

[Sunsettommy]

And I suppose they should. For those it works for, there is no problem and it's not anyone else's business.

Posted to show the common weaknesses of Veganism because some of the deficiencies develop over time something that can't be avoided.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

You seem to be misunderstanding. Just because it can be found in animals (it's also found in humans) doesn't mean animals or humans produce it. It's produced by bacteria.

And again, because of poor soil these days, in a lot of cases the livestock are injected with a B12 supplement, so if you get it through eating animals, you're getting a supplement 2nd hand, filtered through a dead body.

There's no need for that, when you get it in an isolated form.

Nutritional yeast sprinkled on a plate of pasta. A nice cheesy taste

 

[pknopp]

Posted to show the common weaknesses of Veganism because some of the deficiencies develop over time something that can't be avoided.

And not your problem.

 

[Sunsettommy]

You seem to be misunderstanding. Just because it can be found in animals (it's also found in humans) doesn't mean animals or humans produce it. It's produced by bacteria.

And again, because of poor soil these days, in a lot of cases the livestock are injected with a B12 supplement, so if you get it through eating animals, you're getting a supplement 2nd hand, filtered through a dead body.

There's no need for that, when you get it in an isolated form.

Sigh, and the bacteria is found only in the MEAT which is why they recommend people eating some MEAT to get the needed Vitamin B 12.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

When any of you critics are as fit as this vegan, maybe you'll have something to offer.

Vegan BLT ? It's a fucking vegetable sandwich and doesn't fool anyone but morons.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

When any of you critics are as fit as this vegan, maybe you'll have something to offer.

That dude has to work his ass off to get that ripped. Most can do the same with meat protein.

 

[Sunsettommy]

And not your problem.

It is when someone I knew well nearly died from sticking with veganism too long and the numerous clinical reports show that people do develop deficiencies over time because of it.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

And not your problem.

And should I post, for Tommy, all the obese and sickly people who eat a poor diet but are otherwise meat eaters"? I doubt he'd get the point.

Oh well, I will anyway

An "omnivore"

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Vegan BLT ? It's a fucking vegetable sandwich and doesn't fool anyone but morons.

So don't eat it.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

I like this. Most meat eaters come out LOOKING for a fight. I'm pushing my beliefs on NO ONE, but I will always state my opinion, especially when the ignorant start mocking what they clearly don't understand.

How many militant meat eaters have you met ?

 

[Carl in Michigan]

That dude has to work his ass off to get that ripped. Most can do the same with meat protein.

That's the point. Glad to see you're catching, up

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

So don't eat it.

I'll stick to the real thing.

 

[buttercup]

Sigh, and the bacteria is found only in the MEAT which is why they recommend people eating some MEAT to get the needed Vitamin B 12.

Wrong, it's originally found in soil and water, and one doesn't have to eat a dead animal to get it, period, end of story. But if you prefer getting it filtered through a corpse, while eating things that raise your risk for heart disease, cancer, and erectile dysfunction, then you do you.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

That's the point. Glad to see you're catching, up

But your acting like his diet is the reason he's ripped and someone who eats meat can't do the same.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

How many militant meat eaters have you met ?

On this board? Shall I list them

The fact that you can't let others live their lives tells me you are one of them.

The article is about a couple malnourished kids who died because of parental IGNORANCE, not "veganism." You and others are pushing viganism myths

 

[Carl in Michigan]

But your acting like his diet is the reason he's ripped and someone who eats meat can't do the same.

No, I was responding to a couple claims that vegans are MALNOURISHED.

They are not. They CAN be if they don't eat a well rounded VEGAN diet. But so can the typical American who eats any crap diet

 

[Sunsettommy]

You seem to be misunderstanding. Just because it can be found in animals (it's also found in humans) doesn't mean animals or humans produce it. It's produced by bacteria.

And again, because of poor soil these days, in a lot of cases the livestock are injected with a B12 supplement, so if you get it through eating animals, you're getting a supplement 2nd hand, filtered through a dead body.

There's no need for that, when you get it in an isolated form.

You are having trouble reading.

PUB Med

Vitamin B12 sources and microbial interaction​

Published online 2017 Dec 7.

Short abstract​

Vitamin B12 is synthesized only by certain bacteria and archaeon, but not by plants. The synthesized vitamin B12 is transferred and accumulates in animal tissues, which can occur in certain plant and mushroom species through microbial interaction. In particular, the meat and milk of herbivorous ruminant animals (e.g. cattle and sheep) are good sources of vitamin B12 for humans.

LINK

bolding mine

 

[westwall]

Nutritional yeast sprinkled on a plate of pasta. A nice cheesy taste

Yes, but a SUPPLAMENT. Not available in nature.

Lose your Whole Foods and you are screwed. That's the point. I can survive anywhere I happen to be.

You will have trouble in the wild.