Vance say WW2 ended with negotiations

[Old Rocks]

Japan's surrender was not unconditional. I'll give you a buck if you can figger out what the one condition was.

Ah, I see someone already told your ignorant ass, so no buck.

Post #11.

 

[Meister]

A Sudetenland like capitulation would guarantee WW3. You deal with a bully with strength not weakness as you MAGAts do.

You're a warmonger, Rocks. Nobody is stupid enough to start a WW, except you, and whoever
your ilk is. I'm starting to wonder how much you're getting paid to post this garbage.

 

[Donald H]

Germany had poison gas during WW2, and did not use it because they knew we also had it. Russia has the bomb, and so do the NATO nations. Most of Russia's population is in a much smaller area than that of the NATO nations. Almost all of it is concentrated west of the Urals.

Yes, and until the last hurrah, America and Russia will fight it out with conventional weapons.

Is America prepared and ready for that sort of battles?

I think we're being given a preview look at the question by the Zionist regime and Iran.

 

[Foxfyre]

Yeah it's a bit nuanced.

A better way of describing it would be "it was negotiations under duress:.

Yes. Neither country was given any choice. But to say there were no negotiations, concessions, accommodations at all would be incorrect.

The remarkable thing is that two of the most vicious nations on Earth became peaceful, productive assets to the world and good friends and trading partners with their conquerors. That's what happens when evil is brought to unconditional surrender.

When we don't win a war but just stop fighting it, we invariably leave an enemy in the wake.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Germany surrendered unconditionally. There were concessions granted to Japan.

 

[Donald H]

While China just sits around? Sounds like a WW, comrade.
I always figured you were nuts, but I didn't think you expose yourself
like this.

Settle down a bit. Today many Americans are starting to look at the options for their country against Russiia.
The nuclear option has to be included in the discussion.

 

[Foxfyre]

Negotiations? We totally occupied both nations and removed their military. We also told them what kind of government they could have during and after our occupation. Yes, we allowed Japan to keep their Emperor in a ceremonial position, but with no real power. Much like Britian's King.

At the end of World War II, Japan made several concessions, primarily through the Japanese Instrument of Surrender, signed on September 2, 1945. Key concessions included:

• Respect for the Emperor: The emperor was to remain as the ceremonial head of state, but not to be tried as a war criminal.
  
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• Military Surrender: Japan formally surrendered unconditionally, ending its military operations.
  
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• Territorial Changes: Japan agreed to allow the Allies to occupy its territories, including the home islands, and to disarm its armed forces.
  
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• Peaceful Transition: The Japanese government was to facilitate a peaceful transition to a new government, with the emperor's role to be respected.
  
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  These concessions were part of the broader agreement to end the war and ensure a peaceful resolution.
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https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=46c7...YW5lc2VfSW5zdHJ1bWVudF9vZl9TdXJyZW5kZXI&ntb=1

Nothing here contradicts anything I said. There were negotiations, however, in both treaties.

 

[Meathead]

Post #11.

No, #4 informed your ignorant ass.

 

[Mrkelly]

Won't happen. If the US put it's foot down, Russia knows the combined might of NATO would roll right over their troops. We would have them out of Ukraine in less than two months.

Not too sure about that

Russia would have China, Iran,N Korea

And possibly the rest of BRICS nations to back them up

We don’t need to find out

 

[Donald H]

Yes. Neither country was given any choice. But to say there were no negotiations, concessions, accommodations at all would be incorrect.

The remarkable thing is that two of the most vicious nations on Earth became peaceful, productive assets to the world and good friends and trading partners with their conquerors. That's what happens when evil is brought to unconditional surrender.

When we don't win a war but just stop fighting it, we invariable leave an enemy in the wake.

'Negotiations under duress' is about as good a description as telling us the grass is green!
He wants you to acknowledge his pesonal mental health issues.

 

[Foxfyre]

'Negotiations under duress' is about as good a description as telling us the grass is green!
He wants you to acknowledge his pesonal mental health issues.

He wants to be historically accurate and not a highly partisan, mean spirited
numbnut who has illusions of being a psychiatrist.

 

[GLASNOST]

Vance is no smarter than the President he serves. The only choice that Japan and Germany were given was unconditional surrender.

You are an idiot.

1). Japan refused the offer of unconditional surrender and it was the West that agreed to Japan's CONDITION.
2). Germany surrendered twice. Once to the Sovjet Union and second to the West. Germany BARTERED to get the better deal in the West.

 

[Donald H]

China would do nothing but squawk a bit. They don't want to get involved in a war that would cut off their energy supplies. They are even more vulnerable than Russia.

China has no interest in US led wars.
They're a deterrent against US aggression and will only defend against it.

But they do understand that defense could demand a united front against America and any allies the US can convince.

Peace has finally become an option, as it now becomes a question on whether America's navy can survive?

Not to even mention a very capable US air force against near future modern missile technology.

 

[Foxfyre]

Germany surrendered unconditionally. There were concessions granted to Japan.

Germany was allowed to keep a very minimal army for self protection. Certainly was not allowed an army big/strong enough to enable aggression against it neighbors.

The Allies also stayed with Germany for seven years to help it get on its feet, form a new democratic government that did not include any Nazis or Nazi philosophy, begin rebuilding its infrastructure. Because the Germans are resourceful people with good work ethic, the Allies controlling four regions of Germany all left after that seven years except for Russia who ruled East German with an iron fist. West Germany would soon be prospering and thriving as a peaceful nation. East Germany languished until the Russians gave up the occupation, the cruel Berlin wall came down and the national was reunified--1989/90.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Germany was allowed to keep a very minimal army for self protection

That was after they surrendered.

 

[Mac-7]

Vance is no smarter than the President he serves. The only choice that Japan and Germany were given was unconditional surrender. The only choice that Russia should be given is to get all their soldiers out of Ukraine, and pay damages for their unjust war.

MSN

WWII ended with the japanese surrender

But even after two atomic bombs the US compromised it demands by agreeing to leave Hirohito on the thrown

So Vance is technically correct

 

[SassyIrishLass]

There's negotiations at nearly every war, well unless it was like Ginghas Khan, he just beat the hell out of you and owned everything

 

[Foxfyre]

That was after they surrendered.

They surrendered to keep from being totally obliterated. They were broke, defeated, completely demoralized. Keeping a very small military force was not in that equation.

 

[Andrew_Jackson_FTW]

Vance is no smarter than the President he serves. The only choice that Japan and Germany were given was unconditional surrender. The only choice that Russia should be given is to get all their soldiers out of Ukraine, and pay damages for their unjust war.

MSN

there’s plenty of unjust wars going on in the world. Are you concerned about them as well ?

We can never forget that great WW2 alliance between the Soviets, British Chinese and Americans. We will get it back soon.

 

[GLASNOST]

Negotiations? We totally occupied both nations

No, you didn't. Your military didn't conquer mainland Japan and the Sovjet Union won the war, not you. Your military didn't reach Berlin, the Sovjet Union did.

..., we allowed Japan to keep their Emperor

No, you didn't.
1).You said unconitional surrender or else.
2). Japan said **** you, we will keep the Emperor.
3). The US said no. Unacceptable.
4). Japan said OK then we fight.
5). The US cried uncle.