Valerie Plame....Idiot Bimbo Or Scheming Witch?

[JFK_USA]

Well, the Republican independent Prosecutor, appointed by the Republicans, to sort the whole thing out, said that Plame WAS a NOC.

Who should we believe?

It's all a conspiracy!!! Republicans are infalliable!!

 

[kiwiman127]

Bottom line in my OP? Plame had ZERO FEAR of being kidnapped or killed by "foreign agents"....she and her bum husband were clearly publicity hounds. Plame was NOT a covert agent...probably had never been one actively seeking foreign contacts....she's simply not smart enough to pull it off. Plame purposefully RETWEETED an outing of a real CIA operative...no agent with a past in foreign intrigue would ever do such a thing. And last? I'm the only person on this board who's ever worked (albeit briefly) at Langley as an outside (Army) instructor in briefing and debriefing forward observation combat teams in the field. You'd never recognize a CIA operative...they're chosen for their ordinary looks and demeanor....you won't notice them or remember them. Now take a look at Plame.

Bull, you seem to being get overwhelmed with facts from unbiased resources and you present no facts, just talking points.
You're looking like a fool.
Oh wait, maybe Bull can't read my posts because he's a pussy and has me on ignore!

 

[Political Junky]

Bottom line in my OP? Plame had ZERO FEAR of being kidnapped or killed by "foreign agents"....she and her bum husband were clearly publicity hounds. Plame was NOT a covert agent...probably had never been one actively seeking foreign contacts....she's simply not smart enough to pull it off. Plame purposefully RETWEETED an outing of a real CIA operative...no agent with a past in foreign intrigue would ever do such a thing. And last? I'm the only person on this board who's ever worked (albeit briefly) at Langley as an outside (Army) instructor in briefing and debriefing forward observation combat teams in the field. You'd never recognize a CIA operative...they're chosen for their ordinary looks and demeanor....you won't notice them or remember them. Now take a look at Plame.

One of her major concerns was for the safety of those she worked with, when her identity was revealed. Very dirty politics on the part of the Right.

 

[Care4all]

it's good in a way for right wingers to bring up things like plame and wmd's and executive orders and iraq war etc etc etc..... it just help refresh my memory and other liberals on how miserable and corrupt it was under the bush regime...

a good ''get out to vote'' call!

 

[Camp]

Crude, rude gutter talk, you are good at. Got to give you credit. You are a foul mouthed old bastard. Intellectual discussions, not so much. Normal conversation, you fail. Basic communication skills, you suck. But those convict communication skills of yours are top shelf.

I wrote an OP you can't refute, don't dare try...just accusations and insults...then you cry like a little bitch when you're appropriately dealt with....now get the fuck out of this thread before I report you for trolling.

You wrote an OP that lots of posters have refuted with real data and real links. Exposing your method of pushing misinformation is not an insult. You are the crying little bitch for threatening to use moderators to resolve your lack of ability to use intellect and wit. Wah Wah Wah, posters are picking on me. You, with a tag of BullKurtzUSMC. You aren't a Bull nor are you USMC. You are just another run of the mill hater dupe willing to attack a brave former CIA operative to promote an irrelevant political agenda rooted in your warped and maladjusted mind.

americanbuilt.us/patriots/valerie-wilson.shtml

thehill.com/34467-valerie-plame-stands-tall

interviewmagazine.com/culture/valerie-plame/#_

 

[Camp]

Interesting that all the links sprinkled throughout the OP's that seem to indicate the OP is backing up opinions with the evidence to support the opinions being ranted about. There is actually nothing in the OP's rant that is substantiated. Some might consider that kind of thing to be dishonest and question why such dishonesty is needed to make an opinion and fraudulent statements anything even remotely accurate.

Drunk again, Camp? The OP is entirely "accurate" despite it blowing a giant hole through your fantasy version of the story....look at Plame's tweet page from 19 December if you doubt she re-outed a real covert agent and put that woman's life in real danger...not Hollywood danger.

The way it is supposed to work with links Mr. Bull, is the links are supposed to somehow support the point you are attempting to make. They should actually be related to the topic. When you post links that are unrelated it appears to be a method of Bull-shitery. How in the world you come to a conclusion that a person can be re-outed is beyond weird. What do you think that even means? It is beyond obvious that you are making a dishonest attempt to dishonor and trash an American hero.

Here is a piece that explains how outing Plame aided our enemies.

denverpost.com/opinion/ci_6316023

 

[dannyboys]

Let's review....Plame was NOT a covert operative at the time of her "outing" by Richard Armitage, NOT Dick Cheney as her Rat conspirators and Hollywood handlers wanted the world to believe. She was a desk jockey at the CIA with just enough juice to get her unemployed husband sent on a junket to Niger to look for evidence of yellow-cake uranium being sold to Saddam. He couldn't find anything....BIG NEWS...the guy is a drunk living off his wife and probably can't find matching socks in the morning.

So at some point Wilson decided to tell his story to the NYTimes and the Bush State Dept. and Robert Novak decided to fire back at the hack....Cheney aide Scooter Libby took the bullet, his career and future ruined by the stunt pulled off by Plame and Co. All along she claimed her life "and the safety of her 3 year old twins was at risk"...by whom she never explained....the FSB? secret muslim assassins? Laura Bush? She was so terrified that she openly moved to Santa Fe, NM and appeared before a crowd at the Hollywood premier of her fake story:

Interesting that all the links sprinkled throughout the OP's that seem to indicate the OP is backing up opinions with the evidence to support the opinions being ranted about. There is actually nothing in the OP's rant that is substantiated. Some might consider that kind of thing to be dishonest and question why such dishonesty is needed to make an opinion and fraudulent statements anything even remotely accurate.

Drunk again, Camp? The OP is entirely "accurate" despite it blowing a giant hole through your fantasy version of the story....look at Plame's tweet page from 19 December if you doubt she re-outed a real covert agent and put that woman's life in real danger...not Hollywood danger.

The way it is supposed to work with links Mr. Bull, is the links are supposed to somehow support the point you are attempting to make. They should actually be related to the topic. When you post links that are unrelated it appears to be a method of Bull-shitery. How in the world you come to a conclusion that a person can be re-outed is beyond weird. What do you think that even means? It is beyond obvious that you are making a dishonest attempt to dishonor and trash an American hero.

Here is a piece that explains how outing Plame aided our enemies.

denverpost.com/opinion/ci_6316023

Funny how all her neighbors knew she worked for the CIA. Her fucking piss-head husband lurched uninvited from neighborhood BBQ to BBQ slurring to any pretty girl in sight: "Don't tell anyone but my wife's a spy".


These days she's writing "romantic adventure novels" about her fantasy life at the CIA and being a dutiful agent for the far left....so much so she just participated in the OUTING OF A REAL FEMALE CIA OPERATIVE by retweeting a tweet from the guy who helped Snowden commit treason:

Valerie Plame Wilson retweeted

Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald · Dec 19

Meet Alfreda Birkowski, the Senior Officer at the Center of the CIA's Torture Scandals https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/12/19/senior-cia-officer-center-torture-scandals-alfreda-bikowsky/ …

We who saw Plame and Wilson for the dirtbags they were in 2003 aren't surprised they still are. What's ironic is that Holder's DOJ has no interest in pursuing her for the IDENTICAL thing they ruined Scooter Libby for not doing.



Valerie Plame retweets article that outs CIA agent - Washington Times

Right off the bat this OP degenerates into bullshit by BullKurtzUSMC. Interesting choice for a name, but seems to be a truism.

CIA Confirmed Plame Wilson's Covert Status - Before Plame Wilson testifies, committee chairman Henry Waxman (D-CA) reads a statement saying that she had been a “covert” officer” who had “served at various times overseas” and “worked on the prevention of the development and use of weapons of mass destruction against the United States.” Waxman notes that the CIA had cleared this statement. And during subsequent questioning, committee member Elijah Cummings (D-MD) reports that Hayden had told him, “Ms. Wilson was covert.”
The Iraq-Niger Uranium Controversy and the Outing of CIA Agent Valerie Plame Wilson Valerie Plame Wilson CIA Agent

Notice the wording...."had been". Not was at the time of the outing...had served at various times overseas...not at the time of the outing...

Victoria tonsing, an attorney who helped create the law,that was created to prosecute people who outed agents spoke about the exact definition and the reason they created it...they had to prevent the guys who sold out our spies while protecting whistle blowers....

from what I remember, she had to have been listed as covert at the time of the outing, living overseas with a detailed cover identity....and no she hadn't been overseas int the covered time period and she wasn't living under a detailed cover history, and she was not designated as,covert at the time....she was parking in the CIA parking lot every day for work......

 

[Political Junky]

Interesting that all the links sprinkled throughout the OP's that seem to indicate the OP is backing up opinions with the evidence to support the opinions being ranted about. There is actually nothing in the OP's rant that is substantiated. Some might consider that kind of thing to be dishonest and question why such dishonesty is needed to make an opinion and fraudulent statements anything even remotely accurate.

Drunk again, Camp? The OP is entirely "accurate" despite it blowing a giant hole through your fantasy version of the story....look at Plame's tweet page from 19 December if you doubt she re-outed a real covert agent and put that woman's life in real danger...not Hollywood danger.

The way it is supposed to work with links Mr. Bull, is the links are supposed to somehow support the point you are attempting to make. They should actually be related to the topic. When you post links that are unrelated it appears to be a method of Bull-shitery. How in the world you come to a conclusion that a person can be re-outed is beyond weird. What do you think that even means? It is beyond obvious that you are making a dishonest attempt to dishonor and trash an American hero.

Here is a piece that explains how outing Plame aided our enemies.

denverpost.com/opinion/ci_6316023

Excellent article, which proves my point earlier [post #63] that Ms Plame's concern was for her contacts' safety.

 

[Synthaholic]

Plame was NOT a covert agent

Yes, she was.

You can point to no evidence that she was not.

 

[TooTall]

That doesn't really matter, since the Special Prosecutor already knew the source of the leak.

"On August 28, 2006,Christopher Hitchens asserted that Richard Armitage was the primary source of the Valerie Plame leak and that Fitzgerald knew this at the beginning of his investigation.This was supported a month later by Armitage himself, who stated that Fitzgerald had instructed him not to go public with this information.Investor's Business Daily questioned Fitzgerald's truthfulness in an editorial, stating "From top to bottom, this has been one of the most disgraceful abuses of prosecutorial power in this country's history...The Plame case proves [Fitzgerald] can bend the truth with the proficiency of the slickest of pols."

Patrick Fitzgerald - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

That's correct...Scooter Libby was convicted of slight changes in his testimony between depositions....common human trait....as we ponder something that happened, some things have more importance than others and impressions change over time....Fitzgerald called that PERJURY. And in fact, the leak came from Armitage at STATE not the White House but he wasn't a big enough fish for the Rats to fry.....as a side note, Wilson never learned of Saddam's contacts in Niger with the French uranium mining company....and for good reason....France was so far up Saddam's ass they tipped off the WMD inspectors as to the next day's location and in time for Saddam's RG to move the weapons depots.

It wasn't that Armitage wasn't a big enough fish to fry. It was the fact that he did nothing illegal.

That is true, since he outed CIA agent Plame who wasn't really covert. If she had been, I believe it would have been illegal.

 

[Synthaholic]

he outed CIA agent Plame who wasn't really covert

Yes, she was.

 

[Camp]

That doesn't really matter, since the Special Prosecutor already knew the source of the leak.

"On August 28, 2006,Christopher Hitchens asserted that Richard Armitage was the primary source of the Valerie Plame leak and that Fitzgerald knew this at the beginning of his investigation.This was supported a month later by Armitage himself, who stated that Fitzgerald had instructed him not to go public with this information.Investor's Business Daily questioned Fitzgerald's truthfulness in an editorial, stating "From top to bottom, this has been one of the most disgraceful abuses of prosecutorial power in this country's history...The Plame case proves [Fitzgerald] can bend the truth with the proficiency of the slickest of pols."

Patrick Fitzgerald - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

That's correct...Scooter Libby was convicted of slight changes in his testimony between depositions....common human trait....as we ponder something that happened, some things have more importance than others and impressions change over time....Fitzgerald called that PERJURY. And in fact, the leak came from Armitage at STATE not the White House but he wasn't a big enough fish for the Rats to fry.....as a side note, Wilson never learned of Saddam's contacts in Niger with the French uranium mining company....and for good reason....France was so far up Saddam's ass they tipped off the WMD inspectors as to the next day's location and in time for Saddam's RG to move the weapons depots.

It wasn't that Armitage wasn't a big enough fish to fry. It was the fact that he did nothing illegal.

That is true, since he outed CIA agent Plame who wasn't really covert. If she had been, I believe it would have been illegal.

Those who disagree with you have provided lots of links proving that she was a brave and effective covert CIA agent that served her country honorably and with distinction. After giving birth to twins she went back into the field after 9/11 to participate in her expertise of searching for data related to WMD's. All of that is well documented, but hey, you just happen to have a twisted agenda driven opinion with nothing to back up your efforts to bash this patriot. So folks should believe your slander instead of the facts why?

 

[bripat9643]

That doesn't really matter, since the Special Prosecutor already knew the source of the leak.

"On August 28, 2006,Christopher Hitchens asserted that Richard Armitage was the primary source of the Valerie Plame leak and that Fitzgerald knew this at the beginning of his investigation.This was supported a month later by Armitage himself, who stated that Fitzgerald had instructed him not to go public with this information.Investor's Business Daily questioned Fitzgerald's truthfulness in an editorial, stating "From top to bottom, this has been one of the most disgraceful abuses of prosecutorial power in this country's history...The Plame case proves [Fitzgerald] can bend the truth with the proficiency of the slickest of pols."

Patrick Fitzgerald - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

That's correct...Scooter Libby was convicted of slight changes in his testimony between depositions....common human trait....as we ponder something that happened, some things have more importance than others and impressions change over time....Fitzgerald called that PERJURY. And in fact, the leak came from Armitage at STATE not the White House but he wasn't a big enough fish for the Rats to fry.....as a side note, Wilson never learned of Saddam's contacts in Niger with the French uranium mining company....and for good reason....France was so far up Saddam's ass they tipped off the WMD inspectors as to the next day's location and in time for Saddam's RG to move the weapons depots.

It wasn't that Armitage wasn't a big enough fish to fry. It was the fact that he did nothing illegal.

That is true, since he outed CIA agent Plame who wasn't really covert. If she had been, I believe it would have been illegal.

Those who disagree with you have provided lots of links proving that she was a brave and effective covert CIA agent that served her country honorably and with distinction. After giving birth to twins she went back into the field after 9/11 to participate in her expertise of searching for data related to WMD's. All of that is well documented, but hey, you just happen to have a twisted agenda driven opinion with nothing to back up your efforts to bash this patriot. So folks should believe your slander instead of the facts why?

She went to an office, like millions of other housewives. She didn't go "into the field." She's no braver than an ordinary American housewife. She never go within 10 miles of any real danger.

 

[bripat9643]

he outed CIA agent Plame who wasn't really covert

Yes, she was.

Nuh uhn!

 

[bripat9643]

Bottom line in my OP? Plame had ZERO FEAR of being kidnapped or killed by "foreign agents"....she and her bum husband were clearly publicity hounds. Plame was NOT a covert agent...probably had never been one actively seeking foreign contacts....she's simply not smart enough to pull it off. Plame purposefully RETWEETED an outing of a real CIA operative...no agent with a past in foreign intrigue would ever do such a thing. And last? I'm the only person on this board who's ever worked (albeit briefly) at Langley as an outside (Army) instructor in briefing and debriefing forward observation combat teams in the field. You'd never recognize a CIA operative...they're chosen for their ordinary looks and demeanor....you won't notice them or remember them. Now take a look at Plame.

One of her major concerns was for the safety of those she worked with, when her identity was revealed. Very dirty politics on the part of the Right.

ROFL! The dirty politics were all on her side. How does revealing her identity endanger anyone she worked with? She was deliberately trying to undermine the policies of her boss, the Commander in Chief. She was a disloyal, back stabbing employee.

 

[bripat9643]

Plame was NOT a covert agent

Yes, she was.

You can point to no evidence that she was not.

She drove through the gate at Langley everyone morning and entered the building. How difficult would it be for anyone to learn that she worked for the CIA?

 

[Camp]

That doesn't really matter, since the Special Prosecutor already knew the source of the leak.

"On August 28, 2006,Christopher Hitchens asserted that Richard Armitage was the primary source of the Valerie Plame leak and that Fitzgerald knew this at the beginning of his investigation.This was supported a month later by Armitage himself, who stated that Fitzgerald had instructed him not to go public with this information.Investor's Business Daily questioned Fitzgerald's truthfulness in an editorial, stating "From top to bottom, this has been one of the most disgraceful abuses of prosecutorial power in this country's history...The Plame case proves [Fitzgerald] can bend the truth with the proficiency of the slickest of pols."

Patrick Fitzgerald - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

That's correct...Scooter Libby was convicted of slight changes in his testimony between depositions....common human trait....as we ponder something that happened, some things have more importance than others and impressions change over time....Fitzgerald called that PERJURY. And in fact, the leak came from Armitage at STATE not the White House but he wasn't a big enough fish for the Rats to fry.....as a side note, Wilson never learned of Saddam's contacts in Niger with the French uranium mining company....and for good reason....France was so far up Saddam's ass they tipped off the WMD inspectors as to the next day's location and in time for Saddam's RG to move the weapons depots.

It wasn't that Armitage wasn't a big enough fish to fry. It was the fact that he did nothing illegal.

That is true, since he outed CIA agent Plame who wasn't really covert. If she had been, I believe it would have been illegal.

Those who disagree with you have provided lots of links proving that she was a brave and effective covert CIA agent that served her country honorably and with distinction. After giving birth to twins she went back into the field after 9/11 to participate in her expertise of searching for data related to WMD's. All of that is well documented, but hey, you just happen to have a twisted agenda driven opinion with nothing to back up your efforts to bash this patriot. So folks should believe your slander instead of the facts why?

She went to an office, like millions of other housewives. She didn't go "into the field." She's no braver than an ordinary American housewife. She never go within 10 miles of any real danger.

The CIA says you are are a lying POS. So do I. You are publicly disparaging an American patriot with accusations you can not prove or offer a shred of evidence to substantiate. And you do so with spirit of certainty that makes you particularly despicable.

 

[bripat9643]

That's correct...Scooter Libby was convicted of slight changes in his testimony between depositions....common human trait....as we ponder something that happened, some things have more importance than others and impressions change over time....Fitzgerald called that PERJURY. And in fact, the leak came from Armitage at STATE not the White House but he wasn't a big enough fish for the Rats to fry.....as a side note, Wilson never learned of Saddam's contacts in Niger with the French uranium mining company....and for good reason....France was so far up Saddam's ass they tipped off the WMD inspectors as to the next day's location and in time for Saddam's RG to move the weapons depots.

It wasn't that Armitage wasn't a big enough fish to fry. It was the fact that he did nothing illegal.

That is true, since he outed CIA agent Plame who wasn't really covert. If she had been, I believe it would have been illegal.

Those who disagree with you have provided lots of links proving that she was a brave and effective covert CIA agent that served her country honorably and with distinction. After giving birth to twins she went back into the field after 9/11 to participate in her expertise of searching for data related to WMD's. All of that is well documented, but hey, you just happen to have a twisted agenda driven opinion with nothing to back up your efforts to bash this patriot. So folks should believe your slander instead of the facts why?

She went to an office, like millions of other housewives. She didn't go "into the field." She's no braver than an ordinary American housewife. She never go within 10 miles of any real danger.

The CIA says you are are a lying POS. So do I. You are publicly disparaging an American patriot with accusations you can not prove or offer a shred of evidence to substantiate. And you do so with spirit of certainty that makes you particularly despicable.

No, the CIA does not say I'm a lying POS. the CIA doesn't take a position, one way or the other.

What is the basis for you claim that Plame is a patriot, the fact that she worked at the CIA? Well so did Aldrich Ames. She got her husband assigned to an investigation solely so he could undermine Bush's foriegn policy.

After eight days in Niger's capital of Niamey (where he had once served), Wilson made an oral report in Langley that an Iraqi uranium purchase was "highly unlikely," though he also mentioned in passing that a 1988 Iraqi delegation had tried to establish commercial contacts. CIA officials did not regard Wilson's intelligence as definitive, being based primarily on what the Niger officials told him and probably would have claimed under any circumstances. The CIA report of Wilson's briefing remains classified.

In other words, his report was treated as worthless. If Niger was selling yellow cake to Iraq, it certainly wasn't going to admit it to a known agent of the U.S. government

 

[BullKurtz]

One of her major concerns was for the safety of those she worked with, when her identity was revealed. Very dirty politics on the part of the Right.

So she feared being waterboarded or her nipples hooked up to jumper cables to reveal who.......the parking attendant was? You dirtballs have no idea what you're talking about....Plame wasn't working with anybody worth knowing and hadn't for years.

 

[BullKurtz]

Plame was NOT a covert agent

Yes, she was.

You can point to no evidence that she was not.

I've given you ample evidence ya freakin moron.....have somebody read the whole thread to you.