Vaccinated people may never regain full immunity

[Rigby5]

If you don't want to get vaccinated, don't get vaccinated.

The point is that people vaccinated with the mRNA injections are being prevented from obtaining natural immunity, so then can become hosts once the antibodies wear down in 6 months, so will prevent the epidemic from ending.

 

[Rigby5]

No, it didn't. As usual, we have to explain the basics to antivaxxers, since it's not like their death-cult is going to tell them.

There is more than one type of antibodies. N-antibodies are one type. You get them by catching COVID. The worse you have COVID, the more N-antibodies you generate. The vaccinated don't get COVID bad, so they don't generate many N-antibodies.

However, the vaccinated still have craploads of other antibodies -- way, way more than the unvaccinated. That's why they don't get COVID bad.

Totally backwards.
The mRNA vaccines do nothing to help the immune system against covid, but just stimulate lots of antibody production by flooding the blood with spike proteins.
So it is the mRNA vaccinated who have lots of antibodies, but that is NOT what you want.
What you want instead is natural immunity, and that does not have to involve antibodies at all but could rely on other parts of the immune system, like phages.
The unvaccinated who have recovery immunity instead, have an infinite capability to constantly combat any new infection attempt.
With the vaccinated, after the antibodies die off after 6 months, you have NOTHING at all.
The vaccines store no long term immune response at all.

 

[mamooth]

Totally backwards.
The mRNA vaccines do nothing to help the immune system against covid, but just stimulate lots of antibody production by flooding the blood with spike proteins.

That's not right. That has a long, long way to go before it even rises to the level of "wrong".

Everything you posted there was a bizarre fantasy, a fantasy that stands a good chance of eventually killing you.

Needless to say, we libs feel so totally owned whenever that happens.

 

[Rigby5]

That's not right. That has a long, long way to go before it even rises to the level of "wrong".

Everything you posted there was a bizarre fantasy, a fantasy that stands a good chance of eventually killing you.

Needless to say, we libs feel so totally owned whenever that happens.

You are the one who is wrong.

First of all, I am the liberal, progressive, left wing individualist, and you are the right wing support of Trump's vaccine fiasco to make billions for Moderna and Pfizer.

Second is that everyone admits that the mRNA injections do not and can not ever give immunity at all.
All these mRNA injections do is to pass mRNA instructions to the cellular ribosomes, to start producing spike proteins.
And since these same spike proteins are already used by our own exosomes, they can not possibly be used to store in long term T-cell memory.
So all the production of these excessive spike proteins can do is temporarily stimulate antibody production, in order to clean up the mess of these excess spike proteins floating around.

It is possible to gain immunity to covid, but only through recovery or one of the real vaccines, like those made in India and Russia.
The mRNA injections can never possibly give any immunity at all.
Just some temporary excess antibody production.

 

[mamooth]

Second is that everyone admits that the mRNA injections do not and can not ever give immunity at all.

Um, no. Nobody says that. At least nobody outside of you cult. No normal people.

Fortunately, your doctoral degrees from Youtube University and Facebook College mean that you know more than all the actual experts

 

[Rigby5]

Um, no. Nobody says that. At least nobody outside of you cult. No normal people.

Fortunately, your doctoral degrees from Youtube University and Facebook College mean that you know more than all the actual experts

Totally wrong.
All the mRNA experts, like Dr. Robert Malone who invented mRNA techniques, says that you can not create immunity by getting your own cells to start growing spike proteins.
Go look it up yourself.
Read up on "exosomes".
Exosomes are the means by which cells in your body communicate with each other.
And to do that, they have to be able to get into other cells.
They do that by pressing their spike protein into an ACE2 receptor site.
THAT is what covid virus is mimicking, in order to sneak into our cells.
But once you understand that, you will quickly understand that our immune system had better never start attacking spike proteins, or else it would attack our own exosomes, and we would die.
Try actually doing some reading instead of swallowing propaganda.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Cleaning lady may have saved many lives

Cleaning lady unplugs fridge with Pfizer vials

As reported by regional daily Ouest-France, all the doses of the Pfizer vaccine, 5 796 for adults and 1 280 for children, were thrown in the trash, for lack of having been stored in the required

freewestmedia.com

 

[gipper]

If you don't want to get vaccinated, don't get vaccinated.

Would you still get the vax if you knew it would permanently reduce your immunity response?

 

[gipper]

Um, no. Nobody says that. At least nobody outside of you cult. No normal people.

Fortunately, your doctoral degrees from Youtube University and Facebook College mean that you know more than all the actual experts

You keep saying he’s wrong but offer no proof. Why?

 

[mamooth]

You keep saying he’s wrong but offer no proof. Why?

Nobody wastes time on flat-earthers either. Flat-earthers declare that's proof that they're right.

Figure it out.

Also, there's no point in arguing with antivaxxers, given that you can simply _wait_. Time always conclusively proves every antivaxxer argument to be a fantasy.

 

[eagle1462010]

Nobody wastes time on flat-earthers either. Flat-earthers declare that's proof that they're right.

Figure it out.

Also, there's no point in arguing with antivaxxers, given that you can simply _wait_. Time always conclusively proves every antivaxxer argument to be a fantasy.

Aka you cant back up jack squat but the govt narrative. Covaxin is a whole antigen covid 19 vaccine from India. It actually trains the immune system. You need to do some reading.

 

[Slade3200]

A study by the UK Health Security Agency has now admitted that vaccinated individuals have permanently lower antibody levels.

In its Week 42 "COVID-19 vaccine surveillance report," the UK Health Security Agency admits on page 23ff. that "N antibody levels appear to be lower in individuals who become infected after two doses of vaccination." Furthermore, the study states that this drop in antibodies is basically permanent.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1027511/Vaccine-surveillance-report-week-42.pdf

What a fascinating report. Thank you for posting. It really does show how wonderful these vaccines have been. The final conclusions especially….

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Summary of impact on hospitalisations, infections and mortality
UKHSA previously reported on the number of hospitalisations directly averted by vaccination. In total, around 261,500 hospitalisations have been prevented in those aged 45 years and over up to 19 September 2021.
UKHSA and University of Cambridge MRC Biostatistics Unit previously reported on the direct and indirect impact of the vaccination programme on infections and mortality. Estimates suggest that 127,500 deaths and 24,144,000 infections have been prevented as a result of the COVID- 19 vaccination programme, up to 24 September.
Neither of these models will be updated going forward. This is due to these models being unable to account for the interventions that would have been implemented in the absence of vaccination. Consequently, over time the state of the actual pandemic and the no-vaccination pandemic scenario have become increasingly less comparable. For further context surrounding this figure and for previous estimates, please see previous vaccine surveillance reports.

 

[Rigby5]

Nobody wastes time on flat-earthers either. Flat-earthers declare that's proof that they're right.

Figure it out.

Also, there's no point in arguing with antivaxxers, given that you can simply _wait_. Time always conclusively proves every antivaxxer argument to be a fantasy.

Far more than enough time as passed for the truth to be obvious.
The mRNA injections are not vaccines.
They create no immunity at all.
They just force your own cells to start growing spike proteins, which stimulates some additional antibody production for less than 6 months, to clean up.
After 6 months, the mRNA injections have ZERO effect.
There is no immunity.

The evidence is that those vaccinated with the mRNA injections are getting infected and spreading infection the same as the unvaccinated.
In place like Australia with 93% vaccination, there is no change in infection rates or deaths.
Clearly the mRNA injections are just a very short term treatment, and not a real vaccination.
So then in reality, for maximum effect, one should take the mRNA injection AFTER infection.

 

[Rigby5]

Um, no. Nobody says that. At least nobody outside of you cult. No normal people.

Fortunately, your doctoral degrees from Youtube University and Facebook College mean that you know more than all the actual experts

All the mRNA injection does is get your own cells to start growing spike proteins.
How could that possibly ever lead to any sort of immunity?
What is the immune system supposed to store in T-cell memory in the bone marrow?

 

[Rigby5]

What a fascinating report. Thank you for posting. It really does show how wonderful these vaccines have been. The final conclusions especially….

—————
Summary of impact on hospitalisations, infections and mortality
UKHSA previously reported on the number of hospitalisations directly averted by vaccination. In total, around 261,500 hospitalisations have been prevented in those aged 45 years and over up to 19 September 2021.
UKHSA and University of Cambridge MRC Biostatistics Unit previously reported on the direct and indirect impact of the vaccination programme on infections and mortality. Estimates suggest that 127,500 deaths and 24,144,000 infections have been prevented as a result of the COVID- 19 vaccination programme, up to 24 September.
Neither of these models will be updated going forward. This is due to these models being unable to account for the interventions that would have been implemented in the absence of vaccination. Consequently, over time the state of the actual pandemic and the no-vaccination pandemic scenario have become increasingly less comparable. For further context surrounding this figure and for previous estimates, please see previous vaccine surveillance reports.

Wrong.
If not for the mRNA treatments, then more people would have axquired real immunity through recovery, and that would have stopped the whole epidemic a very long time ago.
The mRNA injections only appear to do a short term good, but in the long run they do a huge amount of harm because they keep the epidemic going.
They prevent herd immunity that would have ended it.

 

[Natural Citizen]

A study by the UK Health Security Agency has now admitted that vaccinated individuals have permanently lower antibody levels.

I think that outcome was probably the whole point of the exercise.

At the end of the day the question is, as always, 1 - who benefits financially and 2 - who benefits by acquiring power that they didn't have previously?

It's not very hard to figure out.

 

[Slade3200]

Wrong.
If not for the mRNA treatments, then more people would have axquired real immunity through recovery, and that would have stopped the whole epidemic a very long time ago.
The mRNA injections only appear to do a short term good, but in the long run they do a huge amount of harm because they keep the epidemic going.
They prevent herd immunity that would have ended it.

Wrong??? You’re calling the data and conclusions in report referenced in the OP wrong?

 

[Rigby5]

If you don't want to get vaccinated, don't get vaccinated.

By interfering temporarily with herd immunity, the mRNA vaccines prolong the epidemic and keep it going, FOREVER.
Since the mRNA injections only work for less than 6 months, it is like constantly ensuring a fresh supply of new hosts to the epidemic, ensuring it can never die out by running out of easy hosts.

 

[Rigby5]

COVID-19 vaccines don’t hamper the function of the immune system and are likely to limit the generation of variants; no evidence that they produce more lethal variants - Science Feedback

Data from clinical trials showed that COVID-19 vaccines are effective and safe. The available evidence indicates that people vaccinated against COVID-19 are protected from the disease and maintain functional immune systems. Virus variants emerge as the virus infects more people and acquires new...

healthfeedback.org

COVID-19 vaccines don’t destroy T cells or weaken immune system

False. The vaccine doesn’t destroy T cells or weaken the immune system. On the contrary, it generates a strong T cell response and boosts immunity, according to experts.

apnews.com

COVID-19 vaccines don’t destroy T cells or weaken immune system

False. The vaccine doesn’t destroy T cells or weaken the immune system. On the contrary, it generates a strong T cell response and boosts immunity, according to experts.

apnews.com

But obviously these links are wrong.
By preventing herd immunity, by only temporarily stimulating some antibody production, these injections prevent the epidemic from ever ending.
These mRNA injections can not possibly cause immunity because they contain no inert pathogen, so there is nothing for the immune system to remember for later triggering.
But these mRNA injections can cause lots of harm by growing spike proteins in appropriately and causing our immune system to attack our own cells.

 

[Rigby5]

No, it didn't. As usual, we have to explain the basics to antivaxxers, since it's not like their death-cult is going to tell them.

There is more than one type of antibodies. N-antibodies are one type. You get them by catching COVID. The worse you have COVID, the more N-antibodies you generate. The vaccinated don't get COVID bad, so they don't generate many N-antibodies.

However, the vaccinated still have craploads of other antibodies -- way, way more than the unvaccinated. That's why they don't get COVID bad.

That obviously is impossible.
You can't have lots of antibodies before infection.
Antibodies are expensive and risky for the body to produce, and are only for emergencies.
So everyone can originally get infected as easily as anyone else.
But if the immune system can recognize the pathogen, it will know which type of antibody works and will produce far more of that type.
So if the vaccine worked, the vaccinated would have far more antibodies than one unvaxed, after infection.
So what you said was backwards, and it is not "The worse you have COVID, the more N-antibodies you generate", but the less antibodies you generate, the worse you get covid.
But the mRNA vaccine does not at all work, the immune system can't remember spike proteins, and after 6 months, there is no additional reaction by the immune system of those who get vaccinated with mRNA.
If anything, the strain on the immune system by the mRNA injection, actually then reduces the ability of the immune system to stimulate antibodies any more, later. It is a limited resource that the mRNA injection has wasted.