Useless debate

[montelatici]

The fact that Mohammad slaughtered the Jews of Medina is natural?

Maybe you just have an illiterate, terrorist thief for prophet, naturally.

Mohammad did not accept the New Testament, far from it. He said that the Christians screwed up Jesus' message, and when Jesus comes back he will break all the crosses and do pilgrimage to Mecca, because he is a Muslim. Is that acceptance of the New Testament?

Well, Jews think Jesus Christ was a charlatan and did not really help to save him. The Jews do not accept the New Testament. At least Mohammed accepted Jesus as a major prophet. I think I am as literate as you are, perhaps more literate. The Muslims believe in Christianity more than Jews do. They consider Jesus one of them, a Muslim. So, what's your point?

Hey Achmed, your village just called, they're missing an idiot!

Very mature.

 

[Roudy]

Well, Jews think Jesus Christ was a charlatan and did not really help to save him. The Jews do not accept the New Testament. At least Mohammed accepted Jesus as a major prophet. I think I am as literate as you are, perhaps more literate. The Muslims believe in Christianity more than Jews do. They consider Jesus one of them, a Muslim. So, what's your point?

Hey Achmed, your village just called, they're missing an idiot!

Very mature.

That's the only response to a bigoted statement like "Jews think Jesus is a charlatan".

Jesus is not mentioned in the OT so Judaism has no official opinion of Jesus.

INDIVIDUAL JEWS may or may not have varying opinions of Jesus or no opinion at all. Just as they do of Buddha, Mohammad, or Sikh.

Do you now understand how stupid and ignorant you sound, Abdul?

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

The fact that Mohammed considered the Jews and Christians enemies is natural. He was the leader of a non-recognized Christian sect, much like the Mormons. But, the fact that he accepted the New Testament and Jesus Christ as a major prophet should be proof enough that he was no pagan.

The fact that Mohammad slaughtered the Jews of Medina is natural?

Maybe you just have an illiterate, terrorist thief for prophet, naturally.

Mohammad did not accept the New Testament, far from it. He said that the Christians screwed up Jesus' message, and when Jesus comes back he will break all the crosses and do pilgrimage to Mecca, because he is a Muslim. Is that acceptance of the New Testament?

Well, Jews think Jesus Christ was a charlatan and did not really help to save him. The Jews do not accept the New Testament. At least Mohammed accepted Jesus as a major prophet. I think I am as literate as you are, perhaps more literate. The Muslims believe in Christianity more than Jews do. They consider Jesus one of them, a Muslim. So, what's your point?

Only so Islam and Christianity can vilify the Jews. You ought to read up on what Islam says about Christians.

 

[Roudy]

Well, that's Wiki. The historians all agree that Mohammed was a city dweller and that he started a schismatic Christian sect. How would Jesus Christ become the most important prophet after Mohammed in the Koran?

Kindly name a few of these 'historians'. So far all you've given is the unsupported word of some random anonymous ID on a chat board.

The definition of 'prophet' is not the same between Judaism, Christianity, and Islam: just because the word used is the same in English, it doesn't mean the concept is identical.

And there is NO WAY that Islam is 'a schismatic Christian sect': people who do not accept Jesus as divine are not any sort of Christian. Although a case *could* be made for certain Gnostic interpretation, that Jesus was divine and NOT human....but that's another matter entirely.

"Islam became the unified Christian-Jewish heretic sect opposing the Orthodox Christian Church in Constantinople. It is no surprise that the heretic Christians in Syria, Iraq, Egypt, and Palestine rallied and supported Islamic troops against Byzantium and Persia."

//tinyurl.com/lzorccq

Just add http: to get the link. I can't post links.

or

"“Islam in its two messages: Christ and Muhammad.”

By: Antoun Saadeh

Really?! Is that why Muslims invaded and killed Christians all over Europe and elsewhere and tore down churches or converted them into mosques?

Because Islam's message is "Christ"? Ha ha ha.

 

[montelatici]

Kindly name a few of these 'historians'. So far all you've given is the unsupported word of some random anonymous ID on a chat board.

The definition of 'prophet' is not the same between Judaism, Christianity, and Islam: just because the word used is the same in English, it doesn't mean the concept is identical.

And there is NO WAY that Islam is 'a schismatic Christian sect': people who do not accept Jesus as divine are not any sort of Christian. Although a case *could* be made for certain Gnostic interpretation, that Jesus was divine and NOT human....but that's another matter entirely.

"Islam became the unified Christian-Jewish heretic sect opposing the Orthodox Christian Church in Constantinople. It is no surprise that the heretic Christians in Syria, Iraq, Egypt, and Palestine rallied and supported Islamic troops against Byzantium and Persia."

//tinyurl.com/lzorccq

Just add http: to get the link. I can't post links.

or

"“Islam in its two messages: Christ and Muhammad.”

By: Antoun Saadeh

Really?! Is that why Muslims invaded and killed Christians all over Europe and elsewhere and tore down churches or converted them into mosques?

Because Islam's message is "Christ"? Ha ha ha.

Do you have a reading comprehension problem? The issue is not whether or not Muslims invaded Europe or the Huns invaded Europe or the Vandals invaded Europe or Norsemen invaded Europe. The point was that Islam wasn't created in a vacuum, it started out as a heretic Christian sect. Just as Christianity started out as a heretic Jewish sect, by the way.

 

[Roudy]

"Islam became the unified Christian-Jewish heretic sect opposing the Orthodox Christian Church in Constantinople. It is no surprise that the heretic Christians in Syria, Iraq, Egypt, and Palestine rallied and supported Islamic troops against Byzantium and Persia."

//tinyurl.com/lzorccq

Just add http: to get the link. I can't post links.

or

"“Islam in its two messages: Christ and Muhammad.”

By: Antoun Saadeh

Really?! Is that why Muslims invaded and killed Christians all over Europe and elsewhere and tore down churches or converted them into mosques?

Because Islam's message is "Christ"? Ha ha ha.

Do you have a reading comprehension problem? The issue is not whether or not Muslims invaded Europe or the Huns invaded Europe or the Vandals invaded Europe or Norsemen invaded Europe. The point was that Islam wasn't created in a vacuum, it started out as a heretic Christian sect. Just as Christianity started out as a heretic Jewish sect, by the way.

Where did you hear this crap? Mohammad came from a tribe of idol worshippers, that is a fact.

Christian sect my ass. Islam was created when an illiterate terrorist savage hijacked Judaism and Christianity and blended it with his tribe's own moon god religion. Mohammad had no Christian relatives or ties whatsoever. Go back to school and complete your education.

 

[montelatici]

i Where did you hear this crap? Mohammad came from a tribe of idol worshippers, that is a fact.

"In the beginning Islam was considered to be a kind of Jewish-Christian sect."

The History Of Islam

Gerd R. Puin's initial study of ancient Qur'an manuscripts found in Yemen led him to conclude that the Qur'an is a "cocktail of texts", some of which may have been existent a hundred years before Muhammad. He later stated that "these Yemeni Qur'anic fragments do not differ from those found in museums and libraries elsewhere, with the exception of details that do not touch the Qur'an itself, but are rather differences in the way words are spelled."[14] [10] [15]Karl-Heinz Ohlig comes to the conclusion that the person of Muhammed was not central to early Islam at all, and that at this very early stage Islam was in fact an Arabic Christian sect, which had objections to the concept of the trinity, and that the later hadith and biographies are in large part legends, instrumental in severing Islam from its Christian roots and building a full-blown new religion.[16] John Wansbrough believes that the Qu’ran is a redaction in part of other sacred scriptures, in particular the Judaeo-Christian scriptures.[17][18] Prof. Herbert Berg writes that "Despite John Wansbrough's very cautious and careful inclusion of qualifications such as "conjectural," and "tentative and emphatically provisional", his work is condemned by some. Some of negative reaction is undoubtedly due to its radicalness...Wansbrough's work has been embraced wholeheartedly by few and has been employed in a piecemeal fashion by many. Many praise his insights and methods, if not all of his conclusions."[19]
Historicity of Muhammad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[montelatici]

Mohammed was almost certainly a Christian as he came from Mecca and Mecca was an important Christian city. Mohammed's relatives were all Christian too. Medina, by the way, was a Jewish city. The few pagans in Arabia were not city dwellers.

 

[Roudy]

i Where did you hear this crap? Mohammad came from a tribe of idol worshippers, that is a fact.

"In the beginning Islam was considered to be a kind of Jewish-Christian sect."

The History Of Islam

Gerd R. Puin's initial study of ancient Qur'an manuscripts found in Yemen led him to conclude that the Qur'an is a "cocktail of texts", some of which may have been existent a hundred years before Muhammad. He later stated that "these Yemeni Qur'anic fragments do not differ from those found in museums and libraries elsewhere, with the exception of details that do not touch the Qur'an itself, but are rather differences in the way words are spelled."[14] [10] [15]Karl-Heinz Ohlig comes to the conclusion that the person of Muhammed was not central to early Islam at all, and that at this very early stage Islam was in fact an Arabic Christian sect, which had objections to the concept of the trinity, and that the later hadith and biographies are in large part legends, instrumental in severing Islam from its Christian roots and building a full-blown new religion.[16] John Wansbrough believes that the Qu’ran is a redaction in part of other sacred scriptures, in particular the Judaeo-Christian scriptures.[17][18] Prof. Herbert Berg writes that "Despite John Wansbrough's very cautious and careful inclusion of qualifications such as "conjectural," and "tentative and emphatically provisional", his work is condemned by some. Some of negative reaction is undoubtedly due to its radicalness...Wansbrough's work has been embraced wholeheartedly by few and has been employed in a piecemeal fashion by many. Many praise his insights and methods, if not all of his conclusions."[19]
Historicity of Muhammad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So now you are claiming that Mohammad had nothing to with Islam and it was started by this Christian sect? And just because an "author" who is widely condemned and laughed at says so?

You realize that if you said what you just did to a Muslim they will chop your head off? Second off, you are a JOKE. Don't give up your daytime job, although it doesn't appear you have one anyway.

 

[Roudy]

Mohammed was almost certainly a Christian as he came from Mecca and Mecca was an important Christian city. Mohammed's relatives were all Christian too. Medina, by the way, was a Jewish city. The few pagans in Arabia were not city dwellers.

I asked you for a source and you quoted an author who was condemned and laughed at, who by the way contradicted your claim of Mohammad being a Christian.

 

[montelatici]

You are conflating two issues.

One, that Islam was initially a hybrid Christian/Jewish sect juxtaposed against the Orthodox Christian is pretty much agreed upon by secular scholars, although the Muslims reject this hypothesis for religious purposes. As both links indicate.

Two, that Mohammed, if he existed, was from a Christian family, whether he had been baptized we will never know but he would be one strange pagan, why would a pagan know the bible so well? He could of been Jewish too, except that Mecca was a mostly Christian city. Also, Waraka ibn Nawfal, Mohammed's cousin/uncle/relative was a Christian priest and was the first person to recognize Mohammed as a prophet. Waraka died a Christian, by the way.

 

[MHunterB]

Well, that's Wiki. The historians all agree that Mohammed was a city dweller and that he started a schismatic Christian sect. How would Jesus Christ become the most important prophet after Mohammed in the Koran?

You *do* realize that first you dismissed Wiki - and then a couple of pages later, you're using it as a source.......

 

[rhodescholar]

It boggles my mind how Mr. Tinmore and his detractors are able to have this useless, ongoing debate, day after day, year after year, about whether Israel really exists. An abstract, philisophical so-called "debate" that serves no real purpose. If only my relatives in Israel knew about this, they would laugh their heads off!

There are many people in this world who are unsuccessful, failures in the capitalist West because they either lack the intelligence, diligence or discipline to be considered a successful person. One of their methods at lashing out at Fate for not endowing them with intelligence is a visceral hatred of those that they inwardly perceive as successful, particularly jews or israel. Arab muslims are prime examples of this.

Jews have achieved their level of success due to a general respect for hard work and education, which while not 100% applicable to all jews of course, is endemic to most. The unsuccessful people opt to vent their hatred, ignorance, and cluelessness on israel as a means of venting some of their frustration.

This is an explanation of why psychotic, possibly mentally ill posters like tin-douche will screech about the alleged illegitimacy of israel – but fail to mention in actually, given that it was brought into existence by the UN, whereas many of the arab muslim states like iraq, syria and lebanon were simply, arbitrarily drawn on a map, often with minority control over the majority. Another example is iran, whose persian population, while in almost all positions of power, is less than half of iran’s population.

But the unsuccessful, unhappy failures will always be there to lash out from their little corner of the room at those damn jews – facts and truth will bury them for a short time, but never total silence. Only God will be able in His Judgement to rid the world of this filth.

 

[montelatici]

Well, that's Wiki. The historians all agree that Mohammed was a city dweller and that he started a schismatic Christian sect. How would Jesus Christ become the most important prophet after Mohammed in the Koran?

You *do* realize that first you dismissed Wiki - and then a couple of pages later, you're using it as a source.......

Quoting a book is not equivalent to a Wiki author's writings.

 

[montelatici]

It boggles my mind how Mr. Tinmore and his detractors are able to have this useless, ongoing debate, day after day, year after year, about whether Israel really exists. An abstract, philisophical so-called "debate" that serves no real purpose. If only my relatives in Israel knew about this, they would laugh their heads off!

There are many people in this world who are unsuccessful, failures in the capitalist West because they either lack the intelligence, diligence or discipline to be considered a successful person. One of their methods at lashing out at Fate for not endowing them with intelligence is a visceral hatred of those that they inwardly perceive as successful, particularly jews or israel. Arab muslims are prime examples of this.

Jews have achieved their level of success due to a general respect for hard work and education, which while not 100% applicable to all jews of course, is endemic to most. The unsuccessful people opt to vent their hatred, ignorance, and cluelessness on israel as a means of venting some of their frustration.

This is an explanation of why psychotic, possibly mentally ill posters like tin-douche will screech about the alleged illegitimacy of israel – but fail to mention in actually, given that it was brought into existence by the UN, whereas many of the arab muslim states like iraq, syria and lebanon were simply, arbitrarily drawn on a map, often with minority control over the majority. Another example is iran, whose persian population, while in almost all positions of power, is less than half of iran’s population.

But the unsuccessful, unhappy failures will always be there to lash out from their little corner of the room at those damn jews – facts and truth will bury them for a short time, but never total silence. Only God will be able in His Judgement to rid the world of this filth.

Wow, I bet you felt the same way about those that supported the ANC terrorists like Mandela. Those that criticized the successful Afrikaners were all mentally ill. Who'd of thought.

 

[Roudy]

Well, that's Wiki. The historians all agree that Mohammed was a city dweller and that he started a schismatic Christian sect. How would Jesus Christ become the most important prophet after Mohammed in the Koran?

You *do* realize that first you dismissed Wiki - and then a couple of pages later, you're using it as a source.......

Exactly, they spew so much bullshit, they don't bother keeping track of it.

You know what they say, LIARS HAVE BAD MEMORIES.

 

[Roudy]

You are conflating two issues.

One, that Islam was initially a hybrid Christian/Jewish sect juxtaposed against the Orthodox Christian is pretty much agreed upon by secular scholars, although the Muslims reject this hypothesis for religious purposes. As both links indicate.

Two, that Mohammed, if he existed, was from a Christian family, whether he had been baptized we will never know but he would be one strange pagan, why would a pagan know the bible so well? He could of been Jewish too, except that Mecca was a mostly Christian city. Also, Waraka ibn Nawfal, Mohammed's cousin/uncle/relative was a Christian priest and was the first person to recognize Mohammed as a prophet. Waraka died a Christian, by the way.

Islam was not a hybrid sect, what Islam / Mohammad did was to hijack the two dominant religions, and then mix it with it's own moon god pagan religion. Why do you think the Crescent Moon is it's symbol? What Mohammad knew of the Bible was from a little Jewish girl he captured and then he forced her to marry him. She told him what she knew which didn't amount to much, and the rest of the shit Mohammad made up. Then he made her write it. So in essence the Koran was written by a Jew!

****Safiyyah: Muhammad’s War Booty

An example of Muhammad’s questionable ethics is his marriage to a seventeen-year-old Jewish girl named Safiyyah whom he took from the plunder of Khaibar:

Narrated Abdul Aziz:
Anas said, "When Allah's Apostle invaded Khaibar, we offered the Fajr prayer there (early in the morning) when it was still dark. The Prophet rode and Abu Talha rode too and I was riding behind Abu Talha. The Prophet passed through the lane of Khaibar quickly and my knee was touching the thigh of the Prophet. He uncovered his thigh and I saw the whiteness of the thigh of the Prophet. When he entered the town, he said, ‘Allahu Akbar! Khaibar is ruined. Whenever we approach near a (hostile) nation (to fight) then evil will be the morning of those who have been warned.’ He repeated this thrice. The people came out for their jobs and some of them said, ‘Muhammad (has come).’ (Some of our companions added, ‘With his army.&#8217 We conquered Khaibar, took the captives, and the booty was collected. Dihya came and said, ‘O Allah's Prophet! Give me a slave girl from the captives.’ The Prophet said, ‘Go and take any slave girl.’ He took Safiya bint Huyai. A man came to the Prophet and said, ‘O Allah's Apostle! You gave Safiya bint Huyai to Dihya and she is the chief mistress of the tribes of Quraiza and An-Nadir and she befits none but you.’ So the Prophet said, ‘Bring him along with her.’ So Dihya came with her and when the Prophet saw her, he said to Dihya, ‘Take any slave girl other than her from the captives.’" Anas added: "The Prophet then manumitted her and married her."***

Your hallucinations don't mean diddly squat. Even Muslims would laugh at you if you said "Mohammad came from a Christian family", or perhaps they might even kill you for slandering Mohammad. LOL

 

[ForeverYoung436]

You are conflating two issues.

One, that Islam was initially a hybrid Christian/Jewish sect juxtaposed against the Orthodox Christian is pretty much agreed upon by secular scholars, although the Muslims reject this hypothesis for religious purposes. As both links indicate.

Two, that Mohammed, if he existed, was from a Christian family, whether he had been baptized we will never know but he would be one strange pagan, why would a pagan know the bible so well? He could of been Jewish too, except that Mecca was a mostly Christian city. Also, Waraka ibn Nawfal, Mohammed's cousin/uncle/relative was a Christian priest and was the first person to recognize Mohammed as a prophet. Waraka died a Christian, by the way.

I remember learning in grade-school that there were alot of Jewish and Christian traders in Arabia. Anyway, I'm Jewish but I know alot about Christianity even though I never formally studied it, and none of my relatives are Christian. It's kinda in the air here.

 

[montelatici]

You are conflating two issues.

One, that Islam was initially a hybrid Christian/Jewish sect juxtaposed against the Orthodox Christian is pretty much agreed upon by secular scholars, although the Muslims reject this hypothesis for religious purposes. As both links indicate.

Two, that Mohammed, if he existed, was from a Christian family, whether he had been baptized we will never know but he would be one strange pagan, why would a pagan know the bible so well? He could of been Jewish too, except that Mecca was a mostly Christian city. Also, Waraka ibn Nawfal, Mohammed's cousin/uncle/relative was a Christian priest and was the first person to recognize Mohammed as a prophet. Waraka died a Christian, by the way.

Islam was not a hybrid sect, what Islam / Mohammad did was to hijack the two dominant religions, and then mix it with it's own moon god pagan religion. Why do you think the Crescent Moon is it's symbol? What Mohammad knew of the Bible was from a little Jewish girl he captured and then he forced her to marry him. She told him what she knew which didn't amount to much, and the rest of the shit Mohammad made up. Then he made her write it. So in essence the Koran was written by a Jew!

****Safiyyah: Muhammad’s War Booty

An example of Muhammad’s questionable ethics is his marriage to a seventeen-year-old Jewish girl named Safiyyah whom he took from the plunder of Khaibar:

Narrated Abdul Aziz:
Anas said, "When Allah's Apostle invaded Khaibar, we offered the Fajr prayer there (early in the morning) when it was still dark. The Prophet rode and Abu Talha rode too and I was riding behind Abu Talha. The Prophet passed through the lane of Khaibar quickly and my knee was touching the thigh of the Prophet. He uncovered his thigh and I saw the whiteness of the thigh of the Prophet. When he entered the town, he said, ‘Allahu Akbar! Khaibar is ruined. Whenever we approach near a (hostile) nation (to fight) then evil will be the morning of those who have been warned.’ He repeated this thrice. The people came out for their jobs and some of them said, ‘Muhammad (has come).’ (Some of our companions added, ‘With his army.’) We conquered Khaibar, took the captives, and the booty was collected. Dihya came and said, ‘O Allah's Prophet! Give me a slave girl from the captives.’ The Prophet said, ‘Go and take any slave girl.’ He took Safiya bint Huyai. A man came to the Prophet and said, ‘O Allah's Apostle! You gave Safiya bint Huyai to Dihya and she is the chief mistress of the tribes of Quraiza and An-Nadir and she befits none but you.’ So the Prophet said, ‘Bring him along with her.’ So Dihya came with her and when the Prophet saw her, he said to Dihya, ‘Take any slave girl other than her from the captives.’" Anas added: "The Prophet then manumitted her and married her."***

Your hallucinations don't mean diddly squat. Even Muslims would laugh at you if you said "Mohammad came from a Christian family", or perhaps they might even kill you for slandering Mohammad. LOL

You are just too easy. Why don't you do some research first. As a wise man once said:

"It is better to remain silent at the risk of being thought a fool, than to talk and remove all doubt of it."

Of course Muslims would deny that Islam was originally considered a Christian sect.



The Crescent Moon was the symbol of Byzantium (Goddess Diana) and later Istanbul and wasn't adopted by the Muslims until the fall of Byzantium in 1453. Mohammed knew nothing about the Crescent Moon. I can't believe the level of disinformation you spout.

Now to clean up your disinformation:

"
Why would Islam which emerged in Arabia in the 7th century take as divinely inspired, a set of books only the Jews (and Christians) believed so, at a period when they were a weak, small nation conquered and occupied by the Roman Empire and then its successor, the Byzantine empire, with most of them scattered and bullied around Europe?
The only logical answer was that it was initially a religion that believed in some of the Jews’ holy books. That is, it was a Christian sect.
Because of the rise of Islam in the Middle East most people think that that region of the world had been Islamic every since they were inhabited by men. Not so. Christianity had spread in the Middle East in the first several centuries of its founding, as much as it did in Europe.
But we have to remember that before Christianity was firmly established as the state religion of the Roman Empire, there were “many Christianities”, different contrasting versions of Christianity, ranging from one that believed that Jesus Christ was simply a kind of God’s avatar (in the way the term was used in the Avatar movie) to one that believed that he was just a prophet."

Was Islam a Christian sect? | The Manila Times Online

 

[Sally]

You are conflating two issues.

One, that Islam was initially a hybrid Christian/Jewish sect juxtaposed against the Orthodox Christian is pretty much agreed upon by secular scholars, although the Muslims reject this hypothesis for religious purposes. As both links indicate.

Two, that Mohammed, if he existed, was from a Christian family, whether he had been baptized we will never know but he would be one strange pagan, why would a pagan know the bible so well? He could of been Jewish too, except that Mecca was a mostly Christian city. Also, Waraka ibn Nawfal, Mohammed's cousin/uncle/relative was a Christian priest and was the first person to recognize Mohammed as a prophet. Waraka died a Christian, by the way.

Islam was not a hybrid sect, what Islam / Mohammad did was to hijack the two dominant religions, and then mix it with it's own moon god pagan religion. Why do you think the Crescent Moon is it's symbol? What Mohammad knew of the Bible was from a little Jewish girl he captured and then he forced her to marry him. She told him what she knew which didn't amount to much, and the rest of the shit Mohammad made up. Then he made her write it. So in essence the Koran was written by a Jew!

****Safiyyah: Muhammad’s War Booty

An example of Muhammad’s questionable ethics is his marriage to a seventeen-year-old Jewish girl named Safiyyah whom he took from the plunder of Khaibar:

Narrated Abdul Aziz:
Anas said, "When Allah's Apostle invaded Khaibar, we offered the Fajr prayer there (early in the morning) when it was still dark. The Prophet rode and Abu Talha rode too and I was riding behind Abu Talha. The Prophet passed through the lane of Khaibar quickly and my knee was touching the thigh of the Prophet. He uncovered his thigh and I saw the whiteness of the thigh of the Prophet. When he entered the town, he said, ‘Allahu Akbar! Khaibar is ruined. Whenever we approach near a (hostile) nation (to fight) then evil will be the morning of those who have been warned.’ He repeated this thrice. The people came out for their jobs and some of them said, ‘Muhammad (has come).’ (Some of our companions added, ‘With his army.’) We conquered Khaibar, took the captives, and the booty was collected. Dihya came and said, ‘O Allah's Prophet! Give me a slave girl from the captives.’ The Prophet said, ‘Go and take any slave girl.’ He took Safiya bint Huyai. A man came to the Prophet and said, ‘O Allah's Apostle! You gave Safiya bint Huyai to Dihya and she is the chief mistress of the tribes of Quraiza and An-Nadir and she befits none but you.’ So the Prophet said, ‘Bring him along with her.’ So Dihya came with her and when the Prophet saw her, he said to Dihya, ‘Take any slave girl other than her from the captives.’" Anas added: "The Prophet then manumitted her and married her."***

Your hallucinations don't mean diddly squat. Even Muslims would laugh at you if you said "Mohammad came from a Christian family", or perhaps they might even kill you for slandering Mohammad. LOL

You are just too easy. Why don't you do some research first. As a wise man once said:

"It is better to remain silent at the risk of being thought a fool, than to talk and remove all doubt of it."

Of course Muslims would deny that Islam was originally considered a Christian sect.



The Crescent Moon was the symbol of Byzantium (Goddess Diana) and later Istanbul and wasn't adopted by the Muslims until the fall of Byzantium in 1453. Mohammed knew nothing about the Crescent Moon. I can't believe the level of disinformation you spout.

Now to clean up your disinformation:

"
Why would Islam which emerged in Arabia in the 7th century take as divinely inspired, a set of books only the Jews (and Christians) believed so, at a period when they were a weak, small nation conquered and occupied by the Roman Empire and then its successor, the Byzantine empire, with most of them scattered and bullied around Europe?
The only logical answer was that it was initially a religion that believed in some of the Jews’ holy books. That is, it was a Christian sect.
Because of the rise of Islam in the Middle East most people think that that region of the world had been Islamic every since they were inhabited by men. Not so. Christianity had spread in the Middle East in the first several centuries of its founding, as much as it did in Europe.
But we have to remember that before Christianity was firmly established as the state religion of the Roman Empire, there were “many Christianities”, different contrasting versions of Christianity, ranging from one that believed that Jesus Christ was simply a kind of God’s avatar (in the way the term was used in the Avatar movie) to one that believed that he was just a prophet."

Was Islam a Christian sect? | The Manila Times Online

You can go on and on with this until doomsday, but the fact of the matter is that Muslims have been and are still busy murdering Christians in the world of today. If you want to close your eyes to this, it doesn't cost anyone reading this forum a single cent.