Useless debate

[MHunterB]

"The Arabs on the Arabian Peninsula were Jews and Christians and they outnumbered the "pagan" Arabs who were mostly nomads. Mohammed himself was from a Christian family and was probably baptized as an Orthodox Catholic"

Do you have ANY sources to support these assertions? I'd like to see the research, please.....

 

[montelatici]

Converts to Islam? You mean Islam did not invade country after country, forcing the religion down people's throats at the point of the sword? Ha ha ha... Ya okay.

Thanks, now we know you're another Moooslem Arab posing as a Christian.

Who's next?

However they were converted, they were converted. The Arabs on the Arabian Peninsula were Jews and Christians and they outnumbered the "pagan" Arabs who were mostly nomads. Mohammed himself was from a Christian family and was probably baptized as an Orthodox Catholic. Many religions force conversion. The Spanish Catholics forced Jews and Muslims to convert to Christianity after the Riconquista, remember the Inquisition? What do you think that was all about? Do you believe the Aztecs, the Maya and the Inca were not forced to convert by the Europeans?

Islam was a new religion in Arabia. Mohammed might have been influenced by Jews and Christians, but you make it sound like Jews and Christians forced the pagan Arabs in Arabia to start a new religion called Islam.

Mohamed's first targets for conversion to Islam were the pagan nomads. The Jews and the Christians particularly, regarded Mohamed ( a former Christian) as a heretic and leader of a blasphemous Christian sect.

 

[Roudy]

What does the plight of Christians outside of Palestine in other countries have to do with this thread? But, to your point, of course I believe that the members of the Christian and other religions when in the minority should not be discriminated against by those of the majority religion.

The actual Arabs were very few, the desert is not conducive to large populations. The Muslim "hordes" were mostly non-Arab Christian converts to Islam. The Arabs (from Arabia) were the officer corps.

Converts to Islam? You mean Islam did not invade country after country, forcing the religion down people's throats at the point of the sword? Ha ha ha... Ya okay.

Thanks, now we know you're another Moooslem Arab posing as a Christian.

Who's next?

However they were converted, they were converted. The Arabs on the Arabian Peninsula were Jews and Christians and they outnumbered the "pagan" Arabs who were mostly nomads. Mohammed himself was from a Christian family and was probably baptized as an Orthodox Catholic. Many religions force conversion. The Spanish Catholics forced Jews and Muslims to convert to Christianity after the Riconquista, remember the Inquisition? What do you think that was all about? Do you believe the Aztecs, the Maya and the Inca were not forced to convert by the Europeans?

Wow, such ignorance I don't know where to start. They converted because the MUSLIM ARAB HORDES invaded, raped, and pillaged lands and peoples. The same hordes who's existence you denied. Mohammad was a pagan moon god worshiper, which is why he named god "allah" the name for the moon god his tribe worshiped, in order to gain his tribe's allegiance. Mohammad did massacre and commit ethnic cleansing on the ancient Jews of Medina and used their wealth the finance his other barbarisms.

The Inquisition and Crusades were first and foremost about expelling the Muslim invaders of the European continent and the recapture of Jerusalem aka the Holy Land. Had it not been for the Muslim invasions, there would have never been any Inquisition or Crusades.

 

[Sally]

However they were converted, they were converted. The Arabs on the Arabian Peninsula were Jews and Christians and they outnumbered the "pagan" Arabs who were mostly nomads. Mohammed himself was from a Christian family and was probably baptized as an Orthodox Catholic. Many religions force conversion. The Spanish Catholics forced Jews and Muslims to convert to Christianity after the Riconquista, remember the Inquisition? What do you think that was all about? Do you believe the Aztecs, the Maya and the Inca were not forced to convert by the Europeans?

Islam was a new religion in Arabia. Mohammed might have been influenced by Jews and Christians, but you make it sound like Jews and Christians forced the pagan Arabs in Arabia to start a new religion called Islam.

Mohamed's first targets for conversion to Islam were the pagan nomads. The Jews and the Christians particularly, regarded Mohamed ( a former Christian) as a heretic and leader of a blasphemous Christian sect.

Oh boy, first time I think anyone ever heard that Mohammed was a former Christian. If Mohammed didn't live among the Jews and Christians he would never have learned about either the Old or New Testament, and his religion would have certainly been different when he decided to start a new religion. Good thing that Mohammed had a Jewish wife who helped him along in learning about the Bible.

 

[montelatici]

Converts to Islam? You mean Islam did not invade country after country, forcing the religion down people's throats at the point of the sword? Ha ha ha... Ya okay.

Thanks, now we know you're another Moooslem Arab posing as a Christian.

Who's next?

However they were converted, they were converted. The Arabs on the Arabian Peninsula were Jews and Christians and they outnumbered the "pagan" Arabs who were mostly nomads. Mohammed himself was from a Christian family and was probably baptized as an Orthodox Catholic. Many religions force conversion. The Spanish Catholics forced Jews and Muslims to convert to Christianity after the Riconquista, remember the Inquisition? What do you think that was all about? Do you believe the Aztecs, the Maya and the Inca were not forced to convert by the Europeans?

Wow, such ignorance I don't know where to start. They converted because the MUSLIM ARAB HORDES invaded, raped, and pillaged lands and peoples. The same hordes who's existence you denied. Mohammad was a pagan moon god worshiper, which is why he named god "allah" the name for the moon god his tribe worshiped, in order to gain his tribe's allegiance. Mohammad did massacre and commit ethnic cleansing on the ancient Jews of Medina and used their wealth the finance his other barbarisms.

The Inquisition and Crusades were first and foremost about expelling the Muslim invaders of the European continent and the recapture of Jerusalem aka the Holy Land. Had it not been for the Muslim invasions, there would have never been any Inquisition or Crusades.

1. Yes the Muslims (mostly converts) invaded and in war, bad thing happen. The Muslims defeated the Romans (later called Byzantines) in the mid 600s.

2. In Islam, Jesus Christ is an important prophet. How would a "pagan" recognize this? Mohammed was from a Christian family. He was not a pagan, no matter what your propaganda says.

3. Islam, like the Christianity are proselytizing religions, there was no "ethnic cleansing" to speak of on the part of the Muslims. They were looking for converts.

4. The Spanish in 1492 expelled all Jews and Muslims that would not convert.

But you knew all this, didn't you.

 

[Roudy]

However they were converted, they were converted. The Arabs on the Arabian Peninsula were Jews and Christians and they outnumbered the "pagan" Arabs who were mostly nomads. Mohammed himself was from a Christian family and was probably baptized as an Orthodox Catholic. Many religions force conversion. The Spanish Catholics forced Jews and Muslims to convert to Christianity after the Riconquista, remember the Inquisition? What do you think that was all about? Do you believe the Aztecs, the Maya and the Inca were not forced to convert by the Europeans?

Wow, such ignorance I don't know where to start. They converted because the MUSLIM ARAB HORDES invaded, raped, and pillaged lands and peoples. The same hordes who's existence you denied. Mohammad was a pagan moon god worshiper, which is why he named god "allah" the name for the moon god his tribe worshiped, in order to gain his tribe's allegiance. Mohammad did massacre and commit ethnic cleansing on the ancient Jews of Medina and used their wealth the finance his other barbarisms.

The Inquisition and Crusades were first and foremost about expelling the Muslim invaders of the European continent and the recapture of Jerusalem aka the Holy Land. Had it not been for the Muslim invasions, there would have never been any Inquisition or Crusades.

1. Yes the Muslims (mostly converts) invaded and in war, bad thing happen. The Muslims defeated the Romans (later called Byzantines) in the mid 600s.

2. In Islam, Jesus Christ is an important prophet. How would a "pagan" recognize this? Mohammed was from a Christian family. He was not a pagan, no matter what your propaganda says.

3. Islam, like the Christianity are proselytizing religions, there was no "ethnic cleansing" to speak of on the part of the Muslims. They were looking for converts.

4. The Spanish in 1492 expelled all Jews and Muslims that would not convert.

But you knew all this, didn't you.

Everything you said is totally and historically incorrect. Muslims defeated the Romans? Ha ha ha.

Where did you get your education, at the Madrassa? OMG.

 

[Roudy]

Amazing how little Muslim Heywan's know about their own religion.

Your prophet came from a tribe of pagan moon god idol worshipers.

Muhammad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Muhammad was born about the year 570 and his birthday is believed to be in the month of Rabi' al-awwal. He belonged to the Banu Hashim clan, one of the prominent families of Mecca, although it seems not to have been prosperous during Muhammad's early lifetime. The Banu Hashim clan was part of the Quraysh tribe.

The Quaraysh's main god was Hubal. According to The Oxford Handbook of Late Antiquity, "The Qurayshite pantheon was composed principally of idols that were in the Haram of Makka, that is, Hubal (the most important and oldest deity), Manaf, Isaf, and Na'ila.

Before Islam, the Kaaba contained a statue representing the god Hubal, which was thought to have powers of divination. Robert Morey's book The Moon-god Allah in the Archeology of the Middle East claims that Allah is identical in origin to Hubal, who he asserts to be a lunar deity.

 

[montelatici]

Well, that's Wiki. The historians all agree that Mohammed was a city dweller and that he started a schismatic Christian sect. How would Jesus Christ become the most important prophet after Mohammed in the Koran?

 

[toastman]

It boggles my mind how Mr. Tinmore and his detractors are able to have this useless, ongoing debate, day after day, year after year, about whether Israel really exists. An abstract, philisophical so-called "debate" that serves no real purpose. If only my relatives in Israel knew about this, they would laugh their heads off!

Tinmore doesn't recognize Israel's existence. He is just too ***** to say it

 

[Roudy]

Well, that's Wiki. The historians all agree that Mohammed was a city dweller and that he started a schismatic Christian sect. How would Jesus Christ become the most important prophet after Mohammed in the Koran?

Hah? Do you have a link for this stupidity utter RUBBISH? Ha ha ha.

 

[montelatici]

Well, that's Wiki. The historians all agree that Mohammed was a city dweller and that he started a schismatic Christian sect. How would Jesus Christ become the most important prophet after Mohammed in the Koran?

Hah? Do you have a link for this stupidity utter RUBBISH? Ha ha ha.

Rubbish? Just fact. I can't provide a link because I am not allowed to because of forum rules, but I can quote the Koran.

""Thereupon she pointed to him. They said, 'How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle?' Jesus said, 'I am a servant of ALLAH. HE has given me the Book, and has made me a Prophet; 'And HE has made me blessed wheresoever I may be, and has enjoined upon me Prayer and almsgiving so long as I live; 'And HE has made me dutiful towards my mother, and has not made me arrogant and graceless; 'And peace was on me the day I was born, and peace will be on me the day I shall die, and the day I shall be raised up to life again.' That was Jesus, son of Mary. This is a statement of the truth concerning which they entertain doubt."—Qur'an, Surah 19:30-35"

 

[Roudy]

Boy you seem to know the Koran well.I wonder why? Heh heh heh.

Did you forget to quote us these verses?

The Qur'an:
Qur'an (5:51) - "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people."

Qur'an (5:80) - "You will see many of them befriending those who disbelieve; certainly evil is that which their souls have sent before for them, that Allah became displeased with them and in chastisement shall they abide." Those Muslims who befriend unbelievers will abide in hell.

Qur'an (3:28) - "Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah: except by way of precaution, that ye may Guard yourselves from them..." This last part means that the Muslim is allowed to feign friendship if it is of benefit. Renowned scholar Ibn Kathir states that "believers are allowed to show friendship outwardly, but never inwardly."

Qur'an (3:118) - "O you who believe! do not take for intimate friends from among others than your own people, they do not fall short of inflicting loss upon you; they love what distresses you; vehement hatred has already appeared from out of their mouths, and what their breasts conceal is greater still; indeed, We have made the communications clear to you, if you will understand." This verse not only warns Muslims not to take non-Muslims as friends, but it establishes the deep-seated paranoia that the rest of the world is out to get them.

Qur'an (9:23) - "O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. Whoso of you taketh them for friends, such are wrong-doers" Even family members are not to be taken as friends if they do not accept Islam. (This is the mildest interpretation of this verse from the 9th Sura, which also advocates "slaying the unbeliever wherever ye find them").

Qur'an (53:29) - "Therefore shun those who turn away from Our Message and desire nothing but the life of this world."

Qur'an (3:85) - "And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers."

Qur'an (3:10) - "(As for) those who disbelieve, surely neither their wealth nor their children shall avail them in the least against Allah, and these it is who are the fuel of the fire." Those who do not believe in Muhammad are but fuel for the fire of Hell (also 66:6, 2:24. 21:98).

Qur'an (7:44) - "The Companions of the Garden will call out to the Companions of the Fire: "We have indeed found the promises of our Lord to us true: Have you also found Your Lord's promises true?" They shall say, "Yes"; but a crier shall proclaim between them: "The curse of Allah is on the wrong-doers" Muslims in heaven will amuse themselves by looking down on non-Muslims in Hell and mocking them while they are being tortured (see 22:19-22.

Qur'an (1:5-7) - "Show us the straight path, The path of those whom Thou hast favoured; Not the (path) of those who earn Thine anger nor of those who go astray" This is a prayer that Muslims are supposed to repeat each day. "Those who earn Thine anger" specifically refers to Jews and "those who go astray" refers to Christians (see Bukhari (12:749)).

From the Hadith:

Muslim (1:417) - Taken to mean that one's own relatives should not be taken as friends if they are not Muslim.

Abu Dawud (41:4815) - "The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: A man follows the religion of his friend; so each one should consider whom he makes his friend."

Abu Dawud (41:4832) - The Messenger of Allah [said] "Do not keep company with anyone but a believer and do not let anyone eat your food but one who is pious."

Bukhari (59:572) - "O you who believe! Take not my enemies And your enemies as friends offering them (Your) love even though they have disbelieved in that Truth (i.e. Allah, Prophet Muhammad and this Quran) which has come to you."

Ishaq 262 - "Some Muslims remained friends with the Jews, so Allah sent down a Qur'an forbidding them to take Jews as friends. From their mouths hatred has already shown itself and what they conceal is worse"

 

[Roudy]

Boy you seem to know the Koran well.I wonder why? Heh heh heh.

Did you forget to quote us these verses?

The Qur'an:
Qur'an (5:51) - "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people."

Qur'an (5:80) - "You will see many of them befriending those who disbelieve; certainly evil is that which their souls have sent before for them, that Allah became displeased with them and in chastisement shall they abide." Those Muslims who befriend unbelievers will abide in hell.

Qur'an (3:28) - "Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah: except by way of precaution, that ye may Guard yourselves from them..." This last part means that the Muslim is allowed to feign friendship if it is of benefit. Renowned scholar Ibn Kathir states that "believers are allowed to show friendship outwardly, but never inwardly."

Qur'an (3:118) - "O you who believe! do not take for intimate friends from among others than your own people, they do not fall short of inflicting loss upon you; they love what distresses you; vehement hatred has already appeared from out of their mouths, and what their breasts conceal is greater still; indeed, We have made the communications clear to you, if you will understand." This verse not only warns Muslims not to take non-Muslims as friends, but it establishes the deep-seated paranoia that the rest of the world is out to get them.

Qur'an (9:23) - "O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. Whoso of you taketh them for friends, such are wrong-doers" Even family members are not to be taken as friends if they do not accept Islam. (This is the mildest interpretation of this verse from the 9th Sura, which also advocates "slaying the unbeliever wherever ye find them").

Qur'an (53:29) - "Therefore shun those who turn away from Our Message and desire nothing but the life of this world."

Qur'an (3:85) - "And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers."

Qur'an (3:10) - "(As for) those who disbelieve, surely neither their wealth nor their children shall avail them in the least against Allah, and these it is who are the fuel of the fire." Those who do not believe in Muhammad are but fuel for the fire of Hell (also 66:6, 2:24. 21:98).

Qur'an (7:44) - "The Companions of the Garden will call out to the Companions of the Fire: "We have indeed found the promises of our Lord to us true: Have you also found Your Lord's promises true?" They shall say, "Yes"; but a crier shall proclaim between them: "The curse of Allah is on the wrong-doers" Muslims in heaven will amuse themselves by looking down on non-Muslims in Hell and mocking them while they are being tortured (see 22:19-22.

Qur'an (1:5-7) - "Show us the straight path, The path of those whom Thou hast favoured; Not the (path) of those who earn Thine anger nor of those who go astray" This is a prayer that Muslims are supposed to repeat each day. "Those who earn Thine anger" specifically refers to Jews and "those who go astray" refers to Christians (see Bukhari (12:749)).

From the Hadith:

Muslim (1:417) - Taken to mean that one's own relatives should not be taken as friends if they are not Muslim.

Abu Dawud (41:4815) - "The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: A man follows the religion of his friend; so each one should consider whom he makes his friend."

Abu Dawud (41:4832) - The Messenger of Allah [said] "Do not keep company with anyone but a believer and do not let anyone eat your food but one who is pious."

Bukhari (59:572) - "O you who believe! Take not my enemies And your enemies as friends offering them (Your) love even though they have disbelieved in that Truth (i.e. Allah, Prophet Muhammad and this Quran) which has come to you."

Ishaq 262 - "Some Muslims remained friends with the Jews, so Allah sent down a Qur'an forbidding them to take Jews as friends. From their mouths hatred has already shown itself and what they conceal is worse"

Qur’an 9:29-Fight against Christians and Jews ”until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.”

Qur’an 4:91- If the unbelievers do not offer you peace, kill them wherever you find them. Against such you are given clear warrant.

. Qur’an 9:7-9-Don’t make treaties with non-Muslims. They are all evildoers and should not be trusted.

Qur’an 9:12-14-Fight the disbelievers! Allah is on your side; he will give you victory.

. Qur’an 9:5 Kill the nonbelievers wherever you find them.

Qur’an 2:191-2-Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kill them. Such is the reward of disbelievers.

Qur’an (5:51) - ”O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.”

Qur’an (2:65-66) Christians and Jews must believe what Allah has revealed to Muhammad or Allah will disfigure their faces or turn them into apes, as he did the Sabbath-breakers.

Qur’an (4:48, 4:116)-Those who ascribe a partner to Allah (like Christians do with Jesus and the Holy Spirit) will not be forgiven. They have “invented a tremendous sin.”

Qur’an (4:51)-Jews and Christians believe in idols and false deities, yet they claim to be more rightly guided than Muslims.

Qur’an (5:51) Don’t take Jews or Christians for friends. If you do, then Allah will consider you to be one of them.

Qur’an (5:80) – “You will see many of them befriending those who disbelieve; certainly evil is that which their souls have sent before for them, that Allah became displeased with them and in chastisement shall they abide.” Those Muslims who befriend unbelievers will abide in hell.

Qur’an (3:85) - ”And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers.”

. Qur’an 9:6-Those who submit and convert to Islam will be treated well. (Those who don’t submit will be killed. See previous verse.)

Qur’an 5:53 Jews and Christians are losers.

Qur’an 5:59 Jews and Christians are evil-livers.

Qur’an 5:63 Evil is the handiwork of the rabbis and priests.

Qur’an 5:72 Christians will be burned in the Fire.

Qur’an 5:73Christians are wrong about the Trinity. For that they will have a painful doom.

Qur’an 9:30Christians and Jews are perverse. Allah himself fights against them.

Qur’an 9:34 Give tidings (O Muhammad) of a painful doom to the rich and greedy Christian monks and Jewish rabbis.

Qur’an 19:35-37“Woe unto the disbelievers from the meeting of an awful Day.”
Jesus was not the Son of God. Those who say he was (Christians) are going to hell.

Qur’an 28:62-64 Allah will taunt Christians on the day of their doom, saying: Where are My partners whom ye imagined?

Qur’an 40:73Allah will taunt the Christians in hell, saying: Where are all my parnters that you used to believe in?

Ishaq:364 “Muslims, take not Jews and Christians as friends. Whoever protects them becomes one of them, they become diseased, and will earn a similar fate.”

Qur’an 3:67 ”Abraham was not a Jew nor yet a Christian; but he was a true Muslim, surrendered to Allah (which is Islam), and he joined not gods with Allah.”

 

[montelatici]

The fact that Mohammed considered the Jews and Christians enemies is natural. He was the leader of a non-recognized Christian sect, much like the Mormons. But, the fact that he accepted the New Testament and Jesus Christ as a major prophet should be proof enough that he was no pagan.

 

[Roudy]

The fact that Mohammed considered the Jews and Christians enemies is natural. He was the leader of a non-recognized Christian sect, much like the Mormons. But, the fact that he accepted the New Testament and Jesus Christ as a major prophet should be proof enough that he was no pagan.

The fact that Mohammad slaughtered the Jews of Medina is natural?

Maybe you just have an illiterate, terrorist thief for prophet, naturally.

Mohammad did not accept the New Testament, far from it. He said that the Christians screwed up Jesus' message, and when Jesus comes back he will break all the crosses and do pilgrimage to Mecca, because he is a Muslim. Is that acceptance of the New Testament?

 

[montelatici]

The fact that Mohammed considered the Jews and Christians enemies is natural. He was the leader of a non-recognized Christian sect, much like the Mormons. But, the fact that he accepted the New Testament and Jesus Christ as a major prophet should be proof enough that he was no pagan.

The fact that Mohammad slaughtered the Jews of Medina is natural?

Maybe you just have an illiterate, terrorist thief for prophet, naturally.

Mohammad did not accept the New Testament, far from it. He said that the Christians screwed up Jesus' message, and when Jesus comes back he will break all the crosses and do pilgrimage to Mecca, because he is a Muslim. Is that acceptance of the New Testament?

Well, Jews think Jesus Christ was a charlatan and did not really help to save him. The Jews do not accept the New Testament. At least Mohammed accepted Jesus as a major prophet. I think I am as literate as you are, perhaps more literate. The Muslims believe in Christianity more than Jews do. They consider Jesus one of them, a Muslim. So, what's your point?

 

[Sally]

The fact that Mohammed considered the Jews and Christians enemies is natural. He was the leader of a non-recognized Christian sect, much like the Mormons. But, the fact that he accepted the New Testament and Jesus Christ as a major prophet should be proof enough that he was no pagan.

The fact that Mohammad slaughtered the Jews of Medina is natural?

Maybe you just have an illiterate, terrorist thief for prophet, naturally.

Mohammad did not accept the New Testament, far from it. He said that the Christians screwed up Jesus' message, and when Jesus comes back he will break all the crosses and do pilgrimage to Mecca, because he is a Muslim. Is that acceptance of the New Testament?

Well, Jews think Jesus Christ was a charlatan and did not really help to save him. The Jews do not accept the New Testament. At least Mohammed accepted Jesus as a major prophet. I think I am as literate as you are, perhaps more literate. The Muslims believe in Christianity more than Jews do. They consider Jesus one of them, a Muslim. So, what's your point?

I remember a Muslim woman poster always saying that when Jesus returns, he is going to get rid of all the pigs and dogs (meaning the Jews and the Christians) and will preach Islam. This article reminded me of her. By the way, if the Muslims believe in Christianity more than the Jews do, why are the Muslims always harassing and killing Christians plus destroying churches in the Muslim world. Can't they be more tolerant toward Christians. Gee, I wonder if you are capable of telling the Ayatollahs in Iran to let the Christians out of prison.

The Muslim Jesus, known as ?Isa

 

[MHunterB]

Well, that's Wiki. The historians all agree that Mohammed was a city dweller and that he started a schismatic Christian sect. How would Jesus Christ become the most important prophet after Mohammed in the Koran?

Kindly name a few of these 'historians'. So far all you've given is the unsupported word of some random anonymous ID on a chat board.

The definition of 'prophet' is not the same between Judaism, Christianity, and Islam: just because the word used is the same in English, it doesn't mean the concept is identical.

And there is NO WAY that Islam is 'a schismatic Christian sect': people who do not accept Jesus as divine are not any sort of Christian. Although a case *could* be made for certain Gnostic interpretation, that Jesus was divine and NOT human....but that's another matter entirely.

 

[Roudy]

The fact that Mohammed considered the Jews and Christians enemies is natural. He was the leader of a non-recognized Christian sect, much like the Mormons. But, the fact that he accepted the New Testament and Jesus Christ as a major prophet should be proof enough that he was no pagan.

The fact that Mohammad slaughtered the Jews of Medina is natural?

Maybe you just have an illiterate, terrorist thief for prophet, naturally.

Mohammad did not accept the New Testament, far from it. He said that the Christians screwed up Jesus' message, and when Jesus comes back he will break all the crosses and do pilgrimage to Mecca, because he is a Muslim. Is that acceptance of the New Testament?

Well, Jews think Jesus Christ was a charlatan and did not really help to save him. The Jews do not accept the New Testament. At least Mohammed accepted Jesus as a major prophet. I think I am as literate as you are, perhaps more literate. The Muslims believe in Christianity more than Jews do. They consider Jesus one of them, a Muslim. So, what's your point?

Hey Achmed, your village just called, they're missing an idiot!

 

[montelatici]

Well, that's Wiki. The historians all agree that Mohammed was a city dweller and that he started a schismatic Christian sect. How would Jesus Christ become the most important prophet after Mohammed in the Koran?

Kindly name a few of these 'historians'. So far all you've given is the unsupported word of some random anonymous ID on a chat board.

The definition of 'prophet' is not the same between Judaism, Christianity, and Islam: just because the word used is the same in English, it doesn't mean the concept is identical.

And there is NO WAY that Islam is 'a schismatic Christian sect': people who do not accept Jesus as divine are not any sort of Christian. Although a case *could* be made for certain Gnostic interpretation, that Jesus was divine and NOT human....but that's another matter entirely.

"Islam became the unified Christian-Jewish heretic sect opposing the Orthodox Christian Church in Constantinople. It is no surprise that the heretic Christians in Syria, Iraq, Egypt, and Palestine rallied and supported Islamic troops against Byzantium and Persia."

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Just add http: to get the link. I can't post links.

or

"“Islam in its two messages: Christ and Muhammad.”

By: Antoun Saadeh