US vs Iran Dilemma: Who to believe. Who has more credibility?

[Alweysrite!]

That makes you happy because Trump's MAGA lackey's on SCOTUS disenfranchised not only millions of minority voters but also white voter's too, you moron?

Keep showing that you're a first class idiot.

Add that to your support of pedophiles & child sex traffickers, scumbag.

You Democrats are the pedophiles and racists dumbass. You voted to put gay porn in Florida schools, we had to throw that bullshit out of there.
Now we've kicked your racism to the curb in our voting system.
We're just taking America back from you pedophiles and slavers.
You will be better off whether you like it or not.
God damn you are stupid.
MAGA

 

[JanetTheGreat]

A lone wolf like me doesn't care what Partisan Tribalists think.

 

[Correll]

Not to those dead US Sailors.

You would bomb them again if helped Israel right?

Said teh anti-American commie.

 

[konradv]

Said teh anti-American commie.

Said the Trump bootlicker.

 

[Correll]

Said the Trump bootlicker.

My point about Iran chanting DEATH TO AMERICA, is that it makes me think that secretly, deep in their hearts, they want to kill us.


What is your point about the USS Liberty?

 

[CowboyTed]

Who to believe? None of the above. History has proven that ALL governments, and most, if not all politicians are liars. Trust yourself. Do your research. Question everything. Stand outside of the party, and think independently.

Problem Janet, the US has a voting system that has just two realistic choices.

This is the insane bit.

Look at any EU country in Western Europe and loo at there choices... I will use Ireland as an example (but I could use every country except UK (who is also FPTP)

Those countries by and large have multi seat districts which preference (ranked) voting...

This gives them multiple parties and independents to choose when voting with many having realistic chances, you can vote for who you want without fear of wasting your vote on an unrealistic candidate.

This is the present break down of the Irish Government (this is like the powers of the Congress and President combined). Ireland have a population of 5 million people (size of Alabama).

• Fianna Fáil (Govt): 48 Seats
• Fine Gael (Govt): 37 Seats
• Sinn Féin (Opposition): 39 Seats
• Labour Party (Opp): 11 Seats
• Social Democrats (Opp): 11 Seats
• Independent Ireland: 4 Seats
• People Before Profit–Solidarity: 3 Seats
• Aontú: 2 Seats
• Green Party: 1 Seat
• 100% Redress: 1 Seat
• Independents & Others: 15 Seats

So the two parties Fianna Fail and Fine Gael (who have been political enemies for a century) came to gather to form a government. They have 5 years so they negoiate at the start with each others manifesto and agree a joint plan for government and then get on with it...

Opposition (which is not official, more of agreement) are parties who are centre left to left ideology.

The ones below them are antiimigration/Right Wing, Hard left, greens(environment) and independents... Independents are just candidates who are on there own, 5 of them (I think) have agreed to support the government...

But you can see that the voter has plenty of choice... When we vote we vote by preference, i.e. 1st, 2nd, 3rd....

That gives real freedom... That allows for real independence. That 100% Redress member above is a one issue candidate, he mainly wants only one thing done(it is about a concrete block redress scheme).
They have taken money generally out of politics too.

 

[konradv]

My point about Iran chanting DEATH TO AMERICA, is that it makes me think that secretly, deep in their hearts, they want to kill us.


What is your point about the USS Liberty?

When did I mention USS Liberty?

 

[CowboyTed]

My point about Iran chanting DEATH TO AMERICA, is that it makes me think that secretly, deep in their hearts, they want to kill us.


What is your point about the USS Liberty?

Nope... Do some research...

That chant is being miss translated to give that impression... While literally "Death to America," it is often interpreted and translated in official or softer contexts as "Down with America"

It is more like Yankee Fans saying 'Boston Sucks'. Literally they are saying Boston people suck penious... In reality what are they saying...

 

[CowboyTed]

You Democrats are the pedophiles and racists dumbass. You voted to put gay porn in Florida schools, we had to throw that bullshit out of there.
Now we've kicked your racism to the curb in our voting system.
We're just taking America back from you pedophiles and slavers.
You will be better off whether you like it or not.
God damn you are stupid.
MAGA

Stay ignorant dude...

It is very important you don't actually look at reality... You are saying that over 30% of Americans are pedophiles and independents are voting for them.

This is about demonising and dehumanising the opposition... This is what you are fed, this is so you won't listen to them...

This is a very common tactic when trying to take over a country. Accuse the opposition is tedious crimes with no proof so you won't listen to them.

I laugh everyday I hear MAGA people going on about the Elites... That stuff is take straight out of Marxism

 

[Correll]

When did I mention USS Liberty?

So.... I explained my point, in the discussion you jumped into....

So, do you have anything relevant to say, or did you just want to defend your fellow commie, against the smear of being called a commie?

 

[Correll]

Nope... Do some research...

That chant is being miss translated to give that impression... While literally "Death to America," it is often interpreted and translated in official or softer contexts as "Down with America"

It is more like Yankee Fans saying 'Boston Sucks'. Literally they are saying Boston people suck penious... In reality what are they saying...

It would be a tradegy if you are correct. Because after decades of seeing angry mobs of muslims chanting their hate towards me and us,

I'm.... very open to policies of war and acts of war against them.

As I have said elsewhere in this site, for this specific clash,

Trump had me at "Iran".

 

[konradv]

So.... I explained my point, in the discussion you jumped into....

So, do you have anything relevant to say, or did you just want to defend your fellow commie, against the smear of being called a commie?

So, I didn’t say anything about it. Thank you.

 

[Correll]

So, I didn’t say anything about it. Thank you.

Are you a commie?

 

[konradv]

Are you a commie?

Are you living in the past?

 

[CowboyTed]

It would be a tradegy if you are correct. Because after decades of seeing angry mobs of muslims chanting their hate towards me and us,

I'm.... very open to policies of war and acts of war against them.

As I have said elsewhere in this site, for this specific clash,

Trump had me at "Iran".

It is really bullshit... Pure propaganda...

Look at Vice News documentary of Iran, the people don't hate Americans...
They don't like sanctions because sanctions hurt the people... 80% of the people don't support the regime before this war.
Trump is just galvanising support for the Regime as they will use this to quell all dissent. This put a full democratic Iran back 10 years.

Can I point out that Iran had a democratic country in 1953 and US and UK organised a coup to get rid of it because the Prime Minister wanted to nationalise oil production.

The Down with America is much like Boston Sucks... It is mainly due to sanctions and there are secret police everywhere.. Iranians look like they support the government publicly but privately they buy wine from the delivery guy and complain about the horrendous government corruption.

Smart way to deal with this was to uphold the UN agreement... Then using the CIA (anoumously), fund and arm opposition groups, then push a propaganda campaign exposing all the corruption and other crimes... Let it fester and watch it come to the boil...
As soon as the opposition wins, immediately drop all sanctions... Call fro an new era in Iran with the world..

That has worked before and will work again. Low risk with high return... Trust the CIA on this one...

 

[struth]

We first looked at posting this on the Politics Board, then on the Military Board, then The Iran Board, and then On further thought - after writing out much of this post, We decided to settle on the Politics Board (Discuss politics, government policies and candidates). This is about so much more than just what it may present itself as on first look.

We in the American public, as well as those all over the world are stuck with a US vs Iran Dilemma: Who to believe. Who has more credibility? It's pathetic that we come to this, but back in 2016 Jeb Bush warned us all: "Chaos Candidate...Chaos President" - truer words were never spoken.



The latest issue (one in a long list) is this

Which is it? The Trump administration has lost all credibility with the US public and with the public and Leaders around the world -- mostly allies. This Bull-in-a-China-Shop routine has damaged relations that will take a few presidencies to repair -- if possible. Things will never be the same. No going back.

We've reached a point where the US looks like the Baghdad Bob of International Relations. Thank you Donald J. Trump.

We can't even imitate former President Ronald Reagan, when he said "Trust, but verify" (doveryai, no proveryai - Russian proverb). There is little to no trust when dealing with the Trump administration.

I am not at all surprised that the dembot voter, believes the Iranian regime has more credibility then the United States. For 12 of the last 17 years they have become one of the closest allies of the Demafacsit party, almost a model for what you all want.

 

[Alweysrite!]

Stay ignorant dude...

It is very important you don't actually look at reality... You are saying that over 30% of Americans are pedophiles and independents are voting for them.

This is about demonising and dehumanising the opposition... This is what you are fed, this is so you won't listen to them...

This is a very common tactic when trying to take over a country. Accuse the opposition is tedious crimes with no proof so you won't listen to them.

I laugh everyday I hear MAGA people going on about the Elites... That stuff is take straight out of Marxism

Yeah I just grow weary of being called a pedophile because I support Trump. couldn't be farther From the case. You guys are lunatics.

 

[Clipper]

You Democrats are the pedophiles and racists dumbass. You voted to put gay porn in Florida schools, we had to throw that bullshit out of there.
Now we've kicked your racism to the curb in our voting system.
We're just taking America back from you pedophiles and slavers.
You will be better off whether you like it or not.
God damn you are stupid.
MAGA

What you're doing is taking this country back 50 yrs plus, you moron. The VRA was passed in the first place to protect the constitutional rights of minority voter's from racist fascists like your MAGAT king & rat fu**s like the governors of Louisiana & Florida.

Btw, every single Republican POTUS has defended the VRA since it was passed. Every one, which speaks volumes about that knuckle dragger who you admire, you ignorant asswipe.

 

[Alweysrite!]

What you're doing is taking this country back 50 yrs plus, you moron. The VRA was passed in the first place to protect the constitutional rights of minority voter's from racist fascists like your MAGAT king & rat fu**s like the governors of Louisiana & Florida.

Btw, every single Republican POTUS has defended the VRA since it was passed. Every one, which speaks volumes about that knuckle dragger who you admire, you ignorant asswipe.

No one is stopping you from voting because of the color of your skin you stupid vulgar dumbass.
We are just not allowing you to cheat by drawing imaginary lines and dividing up States as you please you stupid little son of a *****.
You're just pissed cuz you're so dishonest and you like to cheat. It's okay I enjoy putting you in your place dipshit.

 

[konradv]

No one is stopping you from voting because of the color of your skin you stupid vulgar dumbass.
We are just not allowing you to cheat by drawing imaginary lines and dividing up States as you please you stupid little son of a *****.
You're just pissed cuz you're so dishonest and you like to cheat. It's okay I enjoy putting you in your place dipshit.

Imaginary line? Are you talking about borders?!