US vs Iran Dilemma: Who to believe. Who has more credibility?

[rightwinger]

He and his advisor’s were mistaken. They thought they had gotten it all, but they didn’t. It happens.

Funny thing is the left opposed that bombing as well and even after it was thought they had gotten it all, they gave this administration no credit.

Trump declared he ended the Iranian nuclear threat until he needed that threat to start a war

 

[konradv]

We first looked at posting this on the Politics Board, then on the Military Board, then The Iran Board, and then On further thought - after writing out much of this post, We decided to settle on the Politics Board (Discuss politics, government policies and candidates). This is about so much more than just what it may present itself as on first look.

We in the American public, as well as those all over the world are stuck with a US vs Iran Dilemma: Who to believe. Who has more credibility? It's pathetic that we come to this, but back in 2016 Jeb Bush warned us all: "Chaos Candidate...Chaos President" - truer words were never spoken.



The latest issue (one in a long list) is this

Which is it? The Trump administration has lost all credibility with the US public and with the public and Leaders around the world -- mostly allies. This Bull-in-a-China-Shop routine has damaged relations that will take a few presidencies to repair -- if possible. Things will never be the same. No going back.

We've reached a point where the US looks like the Baghdad Bob of International Relations. Thank you Donald J. Trump.

We can't even imitate former President Ronald Reagan, when he said "Trust, but verify" (doveryai, no proveryai - Russian proverb). There is little to no trust when dealing with the Trump administration.

Neither Trump nor the mullahs have any credibility.

 

[Lockback]

I don't understand the concern.


Iran wants a nuke. They have closed the straits, causing world wide economic harm to billions of people.


Do you support that?

That seems to be the question that matters.


How cares about teh details?

Yes.
He clearly supports that. He has a burning hatred for America.

 

[alang1216]

He and his advisor’s were mistaken. They thought they had gotten it all, but they didn’t. It happens.

Funny thing is the left opposed that bombing as well and even after it was thought they had gotten it all, they gave this administration no credit.

It seems he got too much credit after all. Could it be that the left just doesn't believe anything he says?

 

[Dante]

Neither Trump nor the mullahs have any credibility.

Exactly.

and now the USA itself lacks credibility - thank you Donald J. Trump

 

[Dante]

It seems he got too much credit after all. Could it be that the left just doesn't believe anything he says?

Only if 'the left' includes most all of the world.

 

[Correll]

Try and keep up:






Iran agreed to not acquire a Nuke, and Trump tore that agreement up and here we are.

Pakistan has a Nuke.

Not sure how that is relevant to anything I said, or my point.


If I was in charge of Iran, I would drop the whole idiotic nuke idea, and the whole supporting of terrorism thing,


and watch the conflict with America just go away. POOF.

They feel that they NEED to build nukes and fund terrorism.


And thus we have conflict.


So..... why do you support them?

 

[Dante]

Not sure how that is relevant to anything I said, or my point.


If I was in charge of Iran, I would drop the whole idiotic nuke idea, and the whole supporting of terrorism thing,


and watch the conflict with America just go away. POOF.

They feel that they NEED to build nukes and fund terrorism.


And thus we have conflict.


So..... why do you support them?

Do not

next

 

[Correll]

Do not

next

But, your op, all that I see you say, is all about attacking Trump and putting America down. You seem to have no ire for IRAN, who is the one that actually shut down the straits, which is the real issue here.

 

[Dante]

But, your op, all that I see you say, is all about attacking Trump and putting America down. You seem to have no ire for IRAN, who is the one that actually shut down the straits, which is the real issue here.

It's uncomfortable for people like, because it's a factual representation of where we are today:

We are stuck with a US vs Iran Dilemma: Who to believe. Who has more credibility? It's pathetic that we come to this, but back in 2016 Jeb Bush warned us all: "Chaos Candidate...Chaos President" - truer words were never spoken.

 

[Correll]

It's uncomfortable for people like, because it's a factual representation of where we are today:

We are stuck with a US vs Iran Dilemma: Who to believe. Who has more credibility? It's pathetic that we come to this, but back in 2016 Jeb Bush warned us all: "Chaos Candidate...Chaos President" - truer words were never spoken.

Except, as I said, I don't give a **** about the details.


When they started talking about this, they had me at "Iran".

And not becasue of anything that they said.

But becasue of what IRAN has been saying, AND DOING, for the last FIFTY ******* YEARS.


**** IRAN. I WOULD RATHER SEE THEM AS A PARKING LOT THAN HAVE A BOMB. OR BE ALLOWED TO FUND A SINGLE TERRORIST.

 

[Dante]

Except, as I said, I don't give a **** about the details.


When they started talking about this, they had me at "Iran".

And not becasue of anything that they said.

But becasue of what IRAN has been saying, AND DOING, for the last FIFTY ******* YEARS.


**** IRAN. I WOULD RATHER SEE THEM AS A PARKING LOT THAN HAVE A BOMB. OR BE ALLOWED TO FUND A SINGLE TERRORIST.

What about Israel and the USS Liberty?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

What about Israel and the USS Liberty?

What about it?

 

[citygator]

TACO Tuesday.

 

[Correll]

What about Israel and the USS Liberty?

JESUS ******* CHRIST, are you not able to read my words?

What defines this is IRAN'S DEATH TO AMERICA TALK AND ACTIONS.

Someone threatens to KILL YOU, and then actual KILLS YOU, then you start some shit with them,

the relevant detail is that they threatened to KILL YOU, and then KILLED YOU.

**** IRAN. IRAN THE PARKING LOT IS A BETTER WORLD FOR ME, IMO, THAN WHAT WE HAVE NOW.


(edit, addon)

Scenario. Me, you and BOB, are neighbors.


ONe day, I am mowing my lawn and BOB comes up to me, he tells me,


"Hey, did you know that DANTE is the GREAT SATAN"?


me: "Um, no, first I heard of this"

BOB: "DEATH TO DANTE. I AM GOING TO BURN DOWN HIS HOUSE AND SALT THE EARTH SO NOTHING EVERY GROWS THERE AGAIN"

me: "er, ok, you have a nice day".


Next day, I hear that you and BOB had a fight and you beat the shit out of him.


My opinion on that matter is based on the shit that BOB was saying. I'm thinking that BOB, is the problem and that you beating the shit out of his was probably justified.

Someone starts talking to me about how they don't know who to believe is at fault for the fight, and I'm not going to be too interested in their.... doubts.

 

[skews13]

We first looked at posting this on the Politics Board, then on the Military Board, then The Iran Board, and then On further thought - after writing out much of this post, We decided to settle on the Politics Board (Discuss politics, government policies and candidates). This is about so much more than just what it may present itself as on first look.

We in the American public, as well as those all over the world are stuck with a US vs Iran Dilemma: Who to believe. Who has more credibility? It's pathetic that we come to this, but back in 2016 Jeb Bush warned us all: "Chaos Candidate...Chaos President" - truer words were never spoken.



The latest issue (one in a long list) is this

Which is it? The Trump administration has lost all credibility with the US public and with the public and Leaders around the world -- mostly allies. This Bull-in-a-China-Shop routine has damaged relations that will take a few presidencies to repair -- if possible. Things will never be the same. No going back.

We've reached a point where the US looks like the Baghdad Bob of International Relations. Thank you Donald J. Trump.

We can't even imitate former President Ronald Reagan, when he said "Trust, but verify" (doveryai, no proveryai - Russian proverb). There is little to no trust when dealing with the Trump administration.

Iran is just another country of which our meddling created a problem of our own making. And as is the case with our covert military operations in these countries, which by any measure have been unmitigated disasters, as Iran is a 47 year monument to. The propaganda arm of the Pentagon with full support of members in Congress with munitions makers in their districts. Start honking the patriotism, freedom fries bullshit horn, for the easily awed and uninitiated useful idiots.

 

[Correll]

Iran is just another country of which our meddling created a problem of our own making. And as is the case with our covert military operations in these countries, which by any measure have been unmitigated disasters, as Iran is a 47 year monument to. The propaganda arm of the Pentagon with full support of members in Congress with munitions makers in their districts. Start honking the patriotism, freedom fries bullshit horn, for the easily awed and uninitiated useful idiots.

Nations have conflicts with each other. Some nations deal with it, and move on.

We NUKED the shit out of Japan. Did they spend the next 50 years whining like little girls and blow up churches?

No. they rebuilt and kicked our asses economically. Today, they have new problems to deal with and are focused on their ACTUAL PROBLEMS, instead of fighting us over shit from when our grandparents were young.

 

[CowboyTed]

Neither Trump nor the mullahs have any credibility.

Iran Regime are scum... 80% of the people don't support them... The regime murdered approx 30,000 to 45,000 of them earlier this year.

Trump & Isreal are just as bad. Again this is not a reflection of the American people as a whole, 61% saying war is a mistake.
Let's be very clear, Trump started the war and Trump threatened to eradicate the entire Iranian civilisation.
On top of that, Trump & Co have been caught war profiteering.

But the MAGA still follow him...

Both US and Iran are in a war that their own people don't want to be in. US actually bombed Iran while in negotiations..

 

[Lockback]

Anybody who has to ask which country has more credibility has a huge credibility problem themselves.

 

[Dante]

JESUS ******* CHRIST, are you not able to read my words?

What defines this is IRAN'S DEATH TO AMERICA TALK AND ACTIONS.

Someone threatens to KILL YOU, and then actual KILLS YOU, then you start some shit with them,

the relevant detail is that they threatened to KILL YOU, and then KILLED YOU.

**** IRAN. IRAN THE PARKING LOT IS A BETTER WORLD FOR ME, IMO, THAN WHAT WE HAVE NOW.


(edit, addon)

Scenario. Me, you and BOB, are neighbors.


ONe day, I am mowing my lawn and BOB comes up to me, he tells me,


"Hey, did you know that DANTE is the GREAT SATAN"?


me: "Um, no, first I heard of this"

BOB: "DEATH TO DANTE. I AM GOING TO BURN DOWN HIS HOUSE AND SALT THE EARTH SO NOTHING EVERY GROWS THERE AGAIN"

me: "er, ok, you have a nice day".


Next day, I hear that you and BOB had a fight and you beat the shit out of him.


My opinion on that matter is based on the shit that BOB was saying. I'm thinking that BOB, is the problem and that you beating the shit out of his was probably justified.

Someone starts talking to me about how they don't know who to believe is at fault for the fight, and I'm not going to be too interested in their.... doubts.

Okay

Israel and the USS Liberty