US vs Iran Dilemma: Who to believe. Who has more credibility?

[JanetTheGreat]

Problem Janet, the US has a voting system that has just two realistic choices.

This is the insane bit.

Look at any EU country in Western Europe and loo at there choices... I will use Ireland as an example (but I could use every country except UK (who is also FPTP)

Those countries by and large have multi seat districts which preference (ranked) voting...

This gives them multiple parties and independents to choose when voting with many having realistic chances, you can vote for who you want without fear of wasting your vote on an unrealistic candidate.

This is the present break down of the Irish Government (this is like the powers of the Congress and President combined). Ireland have a population of 5 million people (size of Alabama).

• Fianna Fáil (Govt): 48 Seats
• Fine Gael (Govt): 37 Seats
• Sinn Féin (Opposition): 39 Seats
• Labour Party (Opp): 11 Seats
• Social Democrats (Opp): 11 Seats
• Independent Ireland: 4 Seats
• People Before Profit–Solidarity: 3 Seats
• Aontú: 2 Seats
• Green Party: 1 Seat
• 100% Redress: 1 Seat
• Independents & Others: 15 Seats

So the two parties Fianna Fail and Fine Gael (who have been political enemies for a century) came to gather to form a government. They have 5 years so they negoiate at the start with each others manifesto and agree a joint plan for government and then get on with it...

Opposition (which is not official, more of agreement) are parties who are centre left to left ideology.

The ones below them are antiimigration/Right Wing, Hard left, greens(environment) and independents... Independents are just candidates who are on there own, 5 of them (I think) have agreed to support the government...

But you can see that the voter has plenty of choice... When we vote we vote by preference, i.e. 1st, 2nd, 3rd....

That gives real freedom... That allows for real independence. That 100% Redress member above is a one issue candidate, he mainly wants only one thing done(it is about a concrete block redress scheme).
They have taken money generally out of politics too.

That isn't far enough for me.

My ideal system would be meritocratic in nature - with elections not based on wealth, party, or political elitism, but through merit and personal achievement. No parties. Only individuals running on the merit of their own ideals without the "party". There would be a non-political review board that would review each person in elected office yearly, and if they fail to keep up with their promises, they are removed from office.

 

[Alweysrite!]

Imaginary line? Are you talking about borders?!

Yeah the ones in states or around countries you FAGAts like to draw wherever you see fit, or eliminate wherever you see fit without oversight.
Now ruled unconstitutional for you to gerrymander. Also
We are doing a lot better job of protecting the line that protects our country called The Border if that's what you mean.

 

[Clipper]

No one is stopping you from voting because of the color of your skin you stupid vulgar dumbass.
We are just not allowing you to cheat by drawing imaginary lines and dividing up States as you please you stupid little son of a *****.
You're just pissed cuz you're so dishonest and you like to cheat. It's okay I enjoy putting you in your place dipshit.

They're redrawing districts so that minority voters have no representation, you ignorant assclown. I know you were born stupid, but you should have wised up by now.

Btw, Skippy. Did Dems forget to steal the election in 2020, or did your tinfoil hat block the signal telling you that you're full of shit?

 

[Alweysrite!]

They're redrawing districts so that minority voters have no representation, you ignorant assclown. I know you were born stupid, but you should have wised up by now.

Btw, Skippy. Did Dems forget to steal the election in 2020, or did your tinfoil hat block the signal telling you that you're full of shit?

No, you were wanting to draw districts that vote a certain way and do it by race. Clearly unconstitutional . You are the most ignorant son of a betch I have ever talked to.
We are not all racist like you are. We believe in the equal opportunity regardless of color. Thank God we outnumber you . Have you prayed to your pedo God Joe lately? I think you need to because we are taking back power in this country and sending you to the gutter where you belong. We will all be better off because of it.
Maybe your hypocrite deity Obama will come back to save you and you can worship him for a while.
You are so God damn stupid

 

[Alweysrite!]

They're redrawing districts so that minority voters have no representation, you ignorant assclown. I know you were born stupid, but you should have wised up by now.

Btw, Skippy. Did Dems forget to steal the election in 2020, or did your tinfoil hat block the signal telling you that you're full of shit?

Hahahaha you are so focked!
Dipshit!
Check out what I found on Freespoke! Tennessee Legislature Passes Congressional Map Expected to Eliminate Democrats' Lone House Seat

 

[HikerGuy83]

That isn't far enough for me.

My ideal system would be meritocratic in nature - with elections not based on wealth, party, or political elitism, but through merit and personal achievement. No parties. Only individuals running on the merit of their own ideals without the "party". There would be a non-political review board that would review each person in elected office yearly, and if they fail to keep up with their promises, they are removed from office.

Do you work in local party machinery?

Such a board would become highly partisan.

All non-partisan positions where I live are populated with highly partisan people.

 

[blackhawk]

People will believe the one who’s words suit the narrative they are wanting to push.

 

[Clipper]

No, you were wanting to draw districts that vote a certain way and do it by race. Clearly unconstitutional . You are the most ignorant son of a betch I have ever talked to.
We are not all racist like you are. We believe in the equal opportunity regardless of color. Thank God we outnumber you . Have you prayed to your pedo God Joe lately? I think you need to because we are taking back power in this country and sending you to the gutter where you belong. We will all be better off because of it.
Maybe your hypocrite deity Obama will come back to save you and you can worship him for a while.
You are so God damn stupid

Uh, no. I don't pray to Biden & I'm not waiting for Obama.

How do you manage to deal with both of them living rent free in your head, you asswipe? Aren't they making that airspace a liitle crowded even though you lack a brain up there?

 

[Clipper]

If these Democrats were in charge then, he would have gotten one. Then what?

Iran to Dotard: "Here's our proposal Dotard! Now you will take it & you will like it or else"!!!

Dotard: "Thank you, Sir! May I please have another?!!!!"

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

What you're doing is taking this country back 50 yrs plus, you moron. The VRA was passed in the first place to protect the constitutional rights of minority voter's from racist fascists like your MAGAT king & rat fu**s like the governors of Louisiana & Florida.

Btw, every single Republican POTUS has defended the VRA since it was passed. Every one, which speaks volumes about that knuckle dragger who you admire, you ignorant asswipe.

What you're doing is taking this country back 50 yrs plus, you moron. The VRA was passed in the first place to protect the constitutional rights of minority voter's from racist fascists like......

Racist fascists like the Democrat party.

Btw, every single Republican POTUS has defended the VRA since it was passed.

Because it, rightfully, guaranteed blacks the right to vote.

It wrongly created guaranteed black districts.

 

[Alweysrite!]

Uh, no. I don't pray to Biden & I'm not waiting for Obama.

How do you manage to deal with both of them living rent free in your head, you asswipe? Aren't they making that airspace a liitle crowded even though you lack a brain up there?

Hahaha you worship them! What an idiot you have turned out to be

 

[Alweysrite!]

Iran to Dotard: "Here's our proposal Dotard! Now you will take it & you will like it or else"!!!

Dotard: "Thank you, Sir! May I please have another?!!!!"

Hahaha Tennessee to the Democrats get the F out of here!

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

They're redrawing districts so that minority voters have no representation, you ignorant assclown. I know you were born stupid, but you should have wised up by now.

Btw, Skippy. Did Dems forget to steal the election in 2020, or did your tinfoil hat block the signal telling you that you're full of shit?

They're redrawing districts so that minority voters have no representation

Bullshit. Minorities get to vote for whatever candidate they choose, just like everybody else.
If the dems only nominate racist white candidates, blacks shouldn't vote for them.

 

[Clipper]

What you're doing is taking this country back 50 yrs plus, you moron. The VRA was passed in the first place to protect the constitutional rights of minority voter's from racist fascists like......

Racist fascists like the Democrat party.

Btw, every single Republican POTUS has defended the VRA since it was passed.

Because it, rightfully, guaranteed blacks the right to vote.

It wrongly created guaranteed black districts.

But it's ok to guarantee white districts in the Deep South ruled by Republicans, right hypocrite?

 

[HikerGuy83]

They're redrawing districts so that minority voters have no representation, you ignorant assclown.

Which should be easy to do given they have a go-by up in New England.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

But it's ok to guarantee white districts in the Deep South ruled by Republicans, right hypocrite?

Drawing districts by race should be illegal.

 

[pal]

What you're doing is taking this country back 50 yrs plus, you moron. The VRA was passed in the first place to protect the constitutional rights of minority voter's from racist fascists like......

Racist fascists like the Democrat party.

Btw, every single Republican POTUS has defended the VRA since it was passed.

Because it, rightfully, guaranteed blacks the right to vote.

It wrongly created guaranteed black districts.

Democrat party signify progressive.

 

[Clipper]

Democrat party signify progressive.

Have fun with that- until they come for you.