US Senate blocks California’s electric car mandate in historic vote

[pknopp]

Actually that question hasn't been answered yet because Pot is still on Schedule I and technically still illegal federally.

WV (and I'm sure other states) ban the transportation of fire wood..

 

[TimFitz]

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Yes, but less than 40% of our electricity comes from coal.

Meanwhile your vehicle burns 100% oil, and 2/3 of the energy it produces goes out the tailpipe.

 

[martybegan]

WV (and I'm sure other states) ban the transportation of fire wood..

Actually NY bans the transport of fire wood over more than 2 counties due to the Asian longhorn beetle.

 

[martybegan]

Yes, but less than 40% of our electricity comes from coal.

Meanwhile your vehicle burns 100% oil, and 2/3 of the energy it produces goes out the tailpipe.

Not in the winter. that excess engine heat goes to use.

Combustion also contributes to the AC via the alternator

Both in an EV come from the battery, drastically reducing the overall range of the vehicle.

 

[pknopp]

Actually NY bans the transport of fire wood over more than 2 counties due to the Asian longhorn beetle.

Across state lines. California banned bringing ICE cars in to sell. Same thing.

Again, stupid, it was never going to get implemented but still a states right.

 

[TimFitz]

The electric cars better have all of the bugs out of them before they are the majority of vehicles on the roads and highways. Having them die from lack of power on the highways which are congested already would cause tens of miles backups.

Bugs ?

What bugs?

Here are a few of the things electric car owners NEVER have to worry about.

Transmissions.
Complies inefficient engines with lots of moving parts
Oil changes
Coolant
Differentials

my experience with batteries indicates that one can reasonably expect at least 300,000 miles on it before it needs to be serviced. And they are recycled.

 

[TimFitz]

Not in the winter. that excess engine heat goes to use.

Combustion also contributes to the AC via the alternator

Both in an EV come from the battery, drastically reducing the overall range of the vehicle.

The excess heat loss is harnessed. But the efficiency ratio does not change, as it is waste.

I drive a PHEV. I Ave no need any significant reduction in range or mileage from using the AC.

 

[martybegan]

Across state lines. California banned bringing ICE cars in to sell. Same thing.

Again, stupid, it was never going to get implemented but still a states right.

And yet you still argue over it, and want to see it implemented.

 

[pknopp]

And yet you still argue over it, and want to see it implemented.

Now we are to the point where you flail away.

 

[martybegan]

Not significantly.

Bullshit.

 

[martybegan]

Now we are to the point where you flail away.

LOL, says the Aspie OCD revolver.

 

[pknopp]

Bullshit.

its really none of your business what others want to drive. If someone is OK with decreased range, that's up to them.

ICE has long had their ranges affected by cold or hot weather also.

 

[martybegan]

its really none of your business what others want to drive. If someone is OK with decreased range, that's up to them.

ICE has long had their ranges affected by cold or hot weather also.

It's my business when they try to ignore the fact that this impacts range far more than they admit to.

The impact on range in ICE vehicles is minimal due to heating or cooling. the waste heat used for heating doesn't impact range, and the power pulled from an alternator for AC marginally impacts range.

 

[pknopp]

It's my business when they try to ignore the fact that this impacts range far more than they admit to.

Lol, it affects you none.

The impact on range in ICE vehicles is minimal due to heating or cooling. the waste heat used for heating doesn't impact range, and the power pulled from an alternator for AC marginally impacts range.

All the same it does and again, its really none of your business what others want to drive.

 

[martybegan]

Lol, it affects you none.




All the same it does and again, its really none of your business what others want to drive.

Sorry but anything in the US or that impact the US is my business if I choose to make it so.

******* Freedom, dippy.

 

[konradv]

It’s good to see California get checked a little bit. Electric cars are not green no matter what liberals want to sell them as.

US Senate blocks California’s electric car mandate in historic vote

Today’s decision could upend California’s phaseout of gas-powered cars and diesel trucks, and its battle against air pollution. California plans to sue, saying it's an unlawful act.

calmatters.org

The one thing Elon really wanted, he doesn’t get!

 

[Mack The Finger]

Yes, but less than 40% of our electricity comes from coal.

Meanwhile your vehicle burns 100% oil, and 2/3 of the energy it produces goes out the tailpipe.

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I have no response but appreciate the bump.

 

[martybegan]

The one thing Elon really wanted, he doesn’t get!

Elon's never been about forcing people to buy EV's, his goal was and is to make EV's people WANT to buy.

 

[konradv]

Elon's never been about forcing people to buy EV's, his goal was and is to make EV's people WANT to buy.

He isn’t getting that either!

 

[martybegan]

He isn’t getting that either!

He still sells more EV's in the US than the other manufacturers.

Probably combined.