Mr. Airhead Himself conveniently forget that some of us participating here plus some of the readers are quite aware of what he had been posting, so he can blah, blah, blah as much as he wants to that he actually cares about the Palestinian Arabs (while of course caring nothing about the other Arabs in the rest of the Middle East who are suffering terribly right now and who have been suffering in the past).
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Mr. Airhead Himself conveniently forget that some of us participating here plus some of the readers are quite aware of what he had been posting, so he can blah, blah, blah as much as he wants to that he actually cares about the Palestinian Arabs (while of course caring nothing about the other Arabs in the rest of the Middle East who are suffering terribly right now and who have been suffering in the past).
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You actually don't realize how ridiculous your postings appear. Why don't you try responding as an individual without trying to convince us that you represent a group that adheres to your absurd point of view. Even if they do, let them speak for themselves. When you post you post for yourself.
Sheesh, this place is like kindergarten.
If this is such a kindergarten, why don't you just concentrate on all your anti-Israel forums where you must be ecstatic with the posts there?
aris2chat
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If you gamble you would be wrong. In the US I have no political part either.
Why do you care if I did or didn't have any political affiliation? Not that is any of your business on a forum offace to face. You judge people by what groups they belong and who their friends are? Racist to believe that all member of any group, even a circle of friend or family are all clones and believe the same way.
Having friends, and lost friends, in the kateab, tigers, SLA, guardians, or tanzim, etc., does not mean I was ever a member of any of them. You are making assumptions without any fact.
You have asked and I have answered your one question.
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No, I would just move and not leave a forwarding address.
That's what I'd do. I wouldn't live in a place with "psychotic animals" (really, just folks upset you wronged them) who were willing to go to that length to get me to leave.
Not my job to do your research for you. the LoN didn't own Palestine, they didn't have a right to give it away. An frankly, the Jews of Europe were in no hurry to move there until HItler did his thing.
Um, no, they really don't. frankly, I find it funny that they are the ones being invaded and we are the ones who are scared.
False, anti semitism was rampant even before the Holocaust.
In fact, Hertzl, the father of Zionism, wanted a state fir the Jews to solve the 'Jewish Problem. The problem being anti Semitism.
That's not at all why the U.S sent troops to fight in the M.E
If that was the case, why hasn't the U.S ever sent troops to any of the wars, skirmishes that Israel has fought since 1973??
The Iraq and Afghanistan war was the doing of the U.S for the U.S.
It's not Israel's fault you're another brainwashed hateful anti Zionist ...
"Zionist Entity"
LOL No matter how many times you say this, it still makes me laugh! Spoken like a true Islamo terrorist.
Oh wait sorry, you don't believe in Muslim terrorists
Oh, and when are you going to stop whining about the Iraq war??
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True, but here was the thing. When various groups were proposing some spot out inthe middle of Siberia or Madegascar for this "Jewish" state, no one was signing up for it, and very few were signing up to go to Palestine.
THen the war came, and they started moving there en masse...
In fact, between 1920 and 1945, less than 400K Jewish people immigrated to Palestine.
Arab and Jewish immigration to Palestine from 1920-1945, prepared by the British Mandate to the United Nations - Palestine Remembered
by comparison, in 1948, it was 100K in one year, and in 1949, 250K.
Which would be fine, if there weren't already people, you know, living there.
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Why do you want to exclude things before 1973? You know, when Nixon sent in an emergency resupply in the Yom Kippur War when the Zionist Entity was getting its ass kicked, and Golda Meir was threatening to nuke people if she didn't get what she wanted.
But you don't even hit your own mark. In 1982, Israel invaded Lebanon and mixed itup with the Syrians. And then we had to move in with a multi-national force to break it up. OH, yeah, and there were those 243 Marines who got killed when they blew up their barracks.
We wouldn't have bothered with either had Israel not considered them a threat.
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It's not Israel's fault you're another brainwashed hateful anti Zionist ...
"Zionist Entity"
LOL No matter how many times you say this, it still makes me laugh! Spoken like a true Islamo terrorist.
Oh wait sorry, you don't believe in Muslim terrorists
Oh, and when are you going to stop whining about the Iraq war??
When those kids who died for nothing come back to life, maybe?
but that won't happen. SO the best I can do is call bullshit when the Zionists try to get us to fight another war for them. YOu know, like they want us to do with Iran.
True, but here was the thing. When various groups were proposing some spot out inthe middle of Siberia or Madegascar for this "Jewish" state, no one was signing up for it, and very few were signing up to go to Palestine.
THen the war came, and they started moving there en masse...
In fact, between 1920 and 1945, less than 400K Jewish people immigrated to Palestine.
Arab and Jewish immigration to Palestine from 1920-1945, prepared by the British Mandate to the United Nations - Palestine Remembered
by comparison, in 1948, it was 100K in one year, and in 1949, 250K.
Which would be fine, if there weren't already people, you know, living there.
I understand that there were people living there. But the British invited the European Jews and facilitated their immigration.
So if you're a Jew living in Europe who's enduring anti Semitism and you get in invited to live where the ancient Land of Israel used to be, well.... Can you blame them for going?
Why do you want to exclude things before 1973? You know, when Nixon sent in an emergency resupply in the Yom Kippur War when the Zionist Entity was getting its ass kicked, and Golda Meir was threatening to nuke people if she didn't get what she wanted.
But you don't even hit your own mark. In 1982, Israel invaded Lebanon and mixed itup with the Syrians. And then we had to move in with a multi-national force to break it up. OH, yeah, and there were those 243 Marines who got killed when they blew up their barracks.
We wouldn't have bothered with either had Israel not considered them a threat.
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It's not Israel's fault you're another brainwashed hateful anti Zionist ...
"Zionist Entity"
LOL No matter how many times you say this, it still makes me laugh! Spoken like a true Islamo terrorist.
Oh wait sorry, you don't believe in Muslim terrorists
Oh, and when are you going to stop whining about the Iraq war??
When those kids who died for nothing come back to life, maybe?
but that won't happen. SO the best I can do is call bullshit when the Zionists try to get us to fight another war for them. YOu know, like they want us to do with Iran.
I was talking about the 1973 war and I am very aware of the supply of weapons that the U.S gave to Israel. But we were talking about ground troops, Zionist Entity Hater.
And yes, that supply of weapons was a massive help to Israel. However, if you read about the Yom Kippur war in detail, you would know that it was not the deciding factor in who won the war. The intelligence if the commanders was, specially when they surrounded the Egyptians in the Sinai to their surprise.
I also wanted to point out that EVEN if Israel is responsible for the U.S going to war in Iraq and Afghanistan (which is a load of BS), the U.S is still responsible for sending the troops there.
If a foreign country convinced you to go to war, and doing so would have no benefit for you or your citizens, then there is something mentally wrong for your government. But, it's still YOUR GOVERNMENT that decided to send the troops there, it's still your government that decided to keep troops there for a decade and it is YOUR government that is ultimately responsible for the outcome, no matter how bad it is. Blaming Israel because AIPAC lobbied for a war is a lame ass excuse and blaming another country for the decisions that YOUR GOVERNMENT ultimately made is lame and cowardly.
There is NO WAY that the U.S went to war in Iraq and Afghanistan because Israel told them too.
Your extreme hatred for Isr..... I mean the Zionist Entity
lol is clouding your logic.
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JoeB131
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Actually, the Zionists had to back off the border on the Sinai and eventually gave the whole thing back to Egypt because they realized it was indefensible. But please keep pretending that the 1973 war was a great victory for the Zionists. It wasn't.
Well, first of all the "government" that did that stole the election and had no legitimacy.
Secondly, if people initially supported the Iraq War, it was because they Zionists and their media sold us a bill of goods. Yes, it would have been nice if we had known that Saddam had no links to Al Qaeda and didn't have WMD's. Too bad that wasn't discussed in the runup to the war in this country. People I know in other countries knew it wasn't true and were baffled by our behavior.
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There is NO WAY that the U.S went to war in Iraq and Afghanistan because Israel told them too.
Your extreme hatred for Isr..... I mean the Zionist Entity
That would be true if we had informed democracy and honest debate and Zionisim Co-religionists didn't control most of our media.
Sadly, we don't have that in this country, so we were sold a bill of goods a second time about how Saddam was just such a danger. ANd people bought it.
But, shit, the Zionists have so infected our conversation even Cindy Sheehan, a war critic, has to back off of criticism of Israel. We weren't ready for that discussion in the mid-oughts.
We might be ready for it now, when Israel's attempts to push us into wars in Syria and Iran are being rejected by most sane people.
aris2chat
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He asked what might be a personal question for some, didn't like an honest answer and calls me a liar. No, it was not polite but thank goodness I'm not his mother.
Actually, the Zionists had to back off the border on the Sinai and eventually gave the whole thing back to Egypt because they realized it was indefensible. But please keep pretending that the 1973 war was a great victory for the Zionists. It wasn't.
Well, first of all the "government" that did that stole the election and had no legitimacy.
Secondly, if people initially supported the Iraq War, it was because they Zionists and their media sold us a bill of goods. Yes, it would have been nice if we had known that Saddam had no links to Al Qaeda and didn't have WMD's. Too bad that wasn't discussed in the runup to the war in this country. People I know in other countries knew it wasn't true and were baffled by our behavior.
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There is NO WAY that the U.S went to war in Iraq and Afghanistan because Israel told them too.
Your extreme hatred for Isr..... I mean the Zionist Entity
That would be true if we had informed democracy and honest debate and Zionisim Co-religionists didn't control most of our media.
Sadly, we don't have that in this country, so we were sold a bill of goods a second time about how Saddam was just such a danger. ANd people bought it.
But, shit, the Zionists have so infected our conversation even Cindy Sheehan, a war critic, has to back off of criticism of Israel. We weren't ready for that discussion in the mid-oughts.
We might be ready for it now, when Israel's attempts to push us into wars in Syria and Iran are being rejected by most sane people.
Of course it was a great victory for Israel. Not only were they outnumbered in ..... Well, everything, but they were attacked on all sides.
It's not like they were just fighting on one front.
They had to take care of Egypt in the Sinai, at the same time as They were fighting Syria in the Golan , which is completely opposite side from the Sinai.
That's an incredibly hard task, specially considering how small Israel is.
I love how Zionist Entity haters always bring up how the U.S sent support in the form of weapons to Israel, but they always leave out the fact that Egypt and Syria has support in the form of troops AND weapons from Iraq, Morocco, Tunisia, Algeria and Cuba. Quite a detail to leave out.
But, being the ZEH (Zionist Entity Hater) that you are, you will always attempt to delegitimize any kind of success from Israel.
You say that Israel gave back the Sinai because they knew they couldn't defend it. But you forgot to mention that they offered to return it to Egypt after the 6 day war, in exchange for a peace treaty but Egypt refused. And before you complain about the Golan, they offered it to Syria in exchange for a peace treaty, as well. But Syria instead signed the Khartoum Resolution: No peace with Israel, No recognition of Israel and no negotiations with Israel.
As for the rest of your post, it's nothing but a bunch of drivel and still doesn't change the fact that your country is full responsible for every aspect of those two wars, including commencing it.
That's Peebel for you!
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Actually, the Zionists had to back off the border on the Sinai and eventually gave the whole thing back to Egypt because they realized it was indefensible. But please keep pretending that the 1973 war was a great victory for the Zionists. It wasn't.
Well, first of all the "government" that did that stole the election and had no legitimacy.
Secondly, if people initially supported the Iraq War, it was because they Zionists and their media sold us a bill of goods. Yes, it would have been nice if we had known that Saddam had no links to Al Qaeda and didn't have WMD's. Too bad that wasn't discussed in the runup to the war in this country. People I know in other countries knew it wasn't true and were baffled by our behavior.
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There is NO WAY that the U.S went to war in Iraq and Afghanistan because Israel told them too.
Your extreme hatred for Isr..... I mean the Zionist Entity
That would be true if we had informed democracy and honest debate and Zionisim Co-religionists didn't control most of our media.
Sadly, we don't have that in this country, so we were sold a bill of goods a second time about how Saddam was just such a danger. ANd people bought it.
But, shit, the Zionists have so infected our conversation even Cindy Sheehan, a war critic, has to back off of criticism of Israel. We weren't ready for that discussion in the mid-oughts.
We might be ready for it now, when Israel's attempts to push us into wars in Syria and Iran are being rejected by most sane people.
"If....... Zionist co-Religionists didn't control our media"
Ah yes, the obligatory 'the Zionists control our media, so that's why .....' comment. Surprised it took you this long to use that as an excuse.
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Actually, the Zionists had to back off the border on the Sinai and eventually gave the whole thing back to Egypt because they realized it was indefensible. But please keep pretending that the 1973 war was a great victory for the Zionists. It wasn't.
Well, first of all the "government" that did that stole the election and had no legitimacy.
Secondly, if people initially supported the Iraq War, it was because they Zionists and their media sold us a bill of goods. Yes, it would have been nice if we had known that Saddam had no links to Al Qaeda and didn't have WMD's. Too bad that wasn't discussed in the runup to the war in this country. People I know in other countries knew it wasn't true and were baffled by our behavior.
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There is NO WAY that the U.S went to war in Iraq and Afghanistan because Israel told them too.
Your extreme hatred for Isr..... I mean the Zionist Entity
That would be true if we had informed democracy and honest debate and Zionisim Co-religionists didn't control most of our media.
Sadly, we don't have that in this country, so we were sold a bill of goods a second time about how Saddam was just such a danger. ANd people bought it.
But, shit, the Zionists have so infected our conversation even Cindy Sheehan, a war critic, has to back off of criticism of Israel. We weren't ready for that discussion in the mid-oughts.
We might be ready for it now, when Israel's attempts to push us into wars in Syria and Iran are being rejected by most sane people.
Of course it was a great victory for Israel. Not only were they outnumbered in ..... Well, everything, but they were attacked on all sides.
It's not like they were just fighting on one front.
They had to take care of Egypt in the Sinai, at the same time as They were fighting Syria in the Golan , which is completely opposite side from the Sinai.
That's an incredibly hard task, specially considering how small Israel is.
I love how Zionist Entity haters always bring up how the U.S sent support in the form of weapons to Israel, but they always leave out the fact that Egypt and Syria has support in the form of troops AND weapons from Iraq, Morocco, Tunisia, Algeria and Cuba. Quite a detail to leave out.
But, being the ZEH (Zionist Entity Hater) that you are, you will always attempt to delegitimize any kind of success from Israel.
You say that Israel gave back the Sinai because they knew they couldn't defend it. But you forgot to mention that they offered to return it to Egypt after the 6 day war, in exchange for a peace treaty but Egypt refused. And before you complain about the Golan, they offered it to Syria in exchange for a peace treaty, as well. But Syria instead signed the Khartoum Resolution: No peace with Israel, No recognition of Israel and no negotiations with Israel.
As for the rest of your post, it's nothing but a bunch of drivel and still doesn't change the fact that your country is full responsible for every aspect of those two wars, including commencing it.
Having acquire a Mig-21 the F-4s were able to get excellent training. They learned the limitations of the Mig-21.
practice, practice, practice... they had to knowing they would be attacked by well armed forces five times their size. It was not the point of winning, it was their survival if they failed.
aris2chat
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More rights than in arab refugee camps. Very few of those who left are still alive. Most in the camps know nothing where their family might have lived ro worked before they left. Israel did not drive them out, their fellow arabs did.
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