US Might free Jonathan Pollard

[pbel]

She ain't lying, Pbel. Just ask any Mexicans and they'll tell you the same. We have legal Mexican-Americans here who are married to women in Mexico and their wives can't come here. That's a fact

Provide a link...

Hell no.

Are they citizens like the Palestinian Israelis? Don't tell me you double-talk like airhead Sally/Scallywag?

 

[Hossfly]

Provide a link...

Hell no.

Are they citizens like the Palestinian Israelis? Don't tell me you double-talk like airhead Sally/Scallywag?

Actually it's legal Mexican citizens who are affected. The illegals have their families cross the Rio Grande.

 

[Sally]

Provide a link...

Hell no.

Are they citizens like the Palestinian Israelis? Don't tell me you double-talk like airhead Sally/Scallywag?

Pbel, do you really think everyone believes you care so much about these "Palestinian" Arabs. So much is happening to many innocent Arabs in other parts of the Middle East, and you have been one silent fellow throughout your years of posting..

I wonder what Pbel the Putz thinks those tens of thousands of innocent people who have died in the last three years in Syria were. When innocent people are murdered in Iraq or Yemen, who does Pbel the Putz think they were? Maybe he thinks that all the Arabs killed in the rest of the Middle East were just aliens from Mars.

 

[pbel]

Hell no.

Are they citizens like the Palestinian Israelis? Don't tell me you double-talk like airhead Sally/Scallywag?

Actually it's legal Mexican citizens who are affected. The illegals have their families cross the Rio Grande.

You double-talking again to sleaze out of your words...Y'all knows we we talking abot US citizens bringing home their brides or grooms.

Stop the Hosshit...

 

[Hossfly]

Are they citizens like the Palestinian Israelis? Don't tell me you double-talk like airhead Sally/Scallywag?

Actually it's legal Mexican citizens who are affected. The illegals have their families cross the Rio Grande.

You double-talking again to sleaze out of your words...Y'all knows we we talking abot US citizens bringing home their brides or grooms.

Stop the Hosshit...

I wuz talking about legal Mexican male residents. I don't know about US residents.

 

[pbel]

Actually it's legal Mexican citizens who are affected. The illegals have their families cross the Rio Grande.

You double-talking again to sleaze out of your words...Y'all knows we we talking abot US citizens bringing home their brides or grooms.

Stop the Hosshit...

I wuz talking about legal Mexican male residents. I don't know about US residents.

Co'mon Hoss, don't be a lying scallywag like Sally, not to mention what the Northern Scallywags did to the old south that Y'all love and honor even though your state by gawd west Virgini betrayed the south and ceded from Virgini and joined Dem Yankees!

 

[Sally]

Actually it's legal Mexican citizens who are affected. The illegals have their families cross the Rio Grande.

You double-talking again to sleaze out of your words...Y'all knows we we talking abot US citizens bringing home their brides or grooms.

Stop the Hosshit...

I wuz talking about legal Mexican male residents. I don't know about US residents.

It's ridiculous to argue with this overgrown boy. You know and I know that he doesn't really care about the Arabs, and is just using them. Like I said, if he really cared about Arabs, he would have been reporting for years about the terrible things that were happening to them in the other Middle East countries by their own fellow Arabs.

 

[aris2chat]

You forget 'ol Hoss, that Israel was one of South Africa's allies and was the only major county with diplomatic ties with the Apartheid government...Also, Israel has a marriage law against her Arab citizens that prohibits them from marrying other Palestinians from the West Bank and bringing them back to Israel proper, that is Apartheid.

Israel maintained business and political ties with SA in part out of necessity. To condemn Israel is a bit like blaming the US or EU for maintaining economic and political ties with half the nations in the world atrociously in violation of basic human rights. Israel has been and still is shunned by a third of the world. SA recognized Israel when other would not.
Although some sactions and embargo of certain items were imposed, the US and Europe did not cut all ties with SA. Why blame Israel?

Answer one question Aris, were you ever a member of the Christian Phalange?

Are you a democrat or republican, did you ever serve in the military or civilian? How personal should questions get?

Never a member of any political party in Lebanon. I had friends who were, but then I had friends among all the parties and military. Presidents, kings, prime ministers, politicians, ambassadors, judges, union leaders, businessmen as well as terrorist, assassins and weapons dealers were among my circle(s). My interests were not political but peace. It was a different place and a difficult time that most americans could never understand.
Not all christians in Lebanon were phalange. There are over 115 political parties that represent more than 20 religions in Lebanon. I was an army brat with an exceptional upbringing and life.

 

[Phoenall]

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Other way around, it's you who dies not know what whining is, which is odd considering you seem to excel at it.

Also, you still didn't show me how Israel in an apartheid state. All you did was show me how that Israel built a wall during the second intifada to stop suicide bombers from entering Israel. The West Bank is not part of Israel proper.
Another fail on your part.

And when you say Israel stole their land, are you talking about the West Bank?

I mean the whole country.

And, yes, Israel is an apartheid state. One Person, one vote. That's how every other democracy does it.

So does this mean the people of Iraq and Afghanistan get to vote in American elections do they ? Or do you only have this rule for the people who Israel ,occupy ?

 

[Phoenall]

I mean the whole country.

And, yes, Israel is an apartheid state. One Person, one vote. That's how every other democracy does it.

If Israeli citizens are not living under apartheid rules then there cannot be any apartheid in Israel. Just where is the apartheid, Captain Knowledge?

Arabs have less rights than Jews.

Aparatheid.

Thanks for playing.

Which arabs would that be then, and were do they live.

At the last check the only difference in rights between Jews and non Jews in Israel is that Jews have to go in the armed forces, non Jews are exempt yet many volunteer.

 

[Phoenall]

Arabs have less rights than Jews.

Aparatheid.

Thanks for playing.

Yes they do have less rights in the Arab countries surrounding Israel. Israel has very tight borders and keeping the Arabs outside Israel is not apartheid. Inside Israel, fences around Gaza and the West bank is not apartheid, it's to keep brain fevered lunatics from committing death and destruction inside Israel proper. You're just pissed because your brethern can't operate in Israel.

Israel controls the land borders of the West Bank, East Jerusalem and most of Gaza, including territorial sea and air space. Just as South Africa controlled all of the borders of the Bantustans and Southwest Africa. It is Apartheid, it can't be anything else. How can you define it as anything else. And of course some of the people living under such a regime will resist by any means possible as allowed by International Law. Now, once that is understood, what's the peaceful solution?

Geneva conventions and UN charter say differently little boy, and to be apartheid it has to be Israel so unless the Palestinians have surrendered there is no apartheid just occupation for defence.
It is simple apartheid happens within a countries borders to one group of people who are singled out to be apart or away from all the others. It is akin to the American south's racism to ex black slaves who had separate or apartheid places of transport, cafe's, schools, churches etc. It did not extend to Vietnam which America occupied for a short while.

 

[Phoenall]

Israel controls the land borders of the West Bank, East Jerusalem and most of Gaza, including territorial sea and air space. Just as South Africa controlled all of the borders of the Bantustans and Southwest Africa. It is Apartheid, it can't be anything else. How can you define it as anything else. And of course some of the people living under such a regime will resist by any means possible as allowed by International Law. Now, once that is understood, what's the peaceful solution?

The citizens of those territories and E. Jerusalem are free to go anywhere they want, are able to work without impediment, travel, play soccer and everything under the sun. That's not apartheid.

You forget 'ol Hoss, that Israel was one of South Africa's allies and was the only major county with diplomatic ties with the Apartheid government...Also, Israel has a marriage law against her Arab citizens that prohibits them from marrying other Palestinians from the West Bank and bringing them back to Israel proper, that is Apartheid.

So that means America is also apartheid, along with most European nations. We have the same law that stop immigration of undesirable entering the country because they have married a citizen. There is no law that stops the arab citizen getting married just against the spouse getting the right to enter Israel.

Want to try again ?

 

[Phoenall]

You forget 'ol Hoss, that Israel was one of South Africa's allies and was the only major county with diplomatic ties with the Apartheid government...Also, Israel has a marriage law against her Arab citizens that prohibits them from marrying other Palestinians from the West Bank and bringing them back to Israel proper, that is Apartheid.

Oh, the horror!!!

Personally, I din't like that law, but it has NOTHING TO DO WITH APARTHEID.
It has to do with Israel wanting to preserve its Jewish character.Either way, that does not warrant calling Israel an apartheid state.

Well, he said it folks: APARTHEID!!!

Only if you cant read English, and it seems that you cant

 

[JoeB131]

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Other way around, it's you who dies not know what whining is, which is odd considering you seem to excel at it.

Also, you still didn't show me how Israel in an apartheid state. All you did was show me how that Israel built a wall during the second intifada to stop suicide bombers from entering Israel. The West Bank is not part of Israel proper.
Another fail on your part.

And when you say Israel stole their land, are you talking about the West Bank?

I mean the whole country.

And, yes, Israel is an apartheid state. One Person, one vote. That's how every other democracy does it.

Israeli citizens of all ethnic and religious minorities have full voting rights in Israel.

Sure they do. Except those people kept behind fences in the "occuppied Territories'. and those Palestinians who were driven out and denited the "right to return".

Come on, it's like claiming the Jim Crow South was a democracy.

 

[JoeB131]

If Israeli citizens are not living under apartheid rules then there cannot be any apartheid in Israel. Just where is the apartheid, Captain Knowledge?

Arabs have less rights than Jews.

Aparatheid.

Thanks for playing.

Yes they do have less rights in the Arab countries surrounding Israel. Israel has very tight borders and keeping the Arabs outside Israel is not apartheid. Inside Israel, fences around Gaza and the West bank is not apartheid, it's to keep brain fevered lunatics from committing death and destruction inside Israel proper. You're just pissed because your brethern can't operate in Israel.

Ah, here we go, the "Cannibal" argument.

This was the argument South Africa made, because even though they were oppressing the blacks, it was okay, because other African countries were worse. Geezus, some of them were run by freakin' Cannibals. (Idi Amin and Jean Bossaka).

Frankly, if you need to keep tight borders around people WITHIN your country because they want to bomb you, then you are an apartheid state.

The Israel Proper argument doesn't fly because Israel is buidlign settlements and militarily ruling the "Occupped Territories". NOr are they willing to consider a peace agreement based on the 1967 borders.

 

[JoeB131]

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Wasn't Joshua tasked with a mission and also told not to let the people co-mingle with the unwashed? They never accused Joshua of apartheid. Damned if any of the Arabists here know beans about the subject.

Yeah, the Book of Joshua outright advocated genocide of the 'unwashed'.

In fact, there was this one part of the book where a city tricked Joshua into an alliance so he wouldn't murder the shit out of all of them, and joshua asked why they were doing this. 'Oh, because you are murdering everyone in your path".

Let's keep in mind, the whole rational behind Israel is that the Nazis did a bad to them.

 

[JoeB131]

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Geneva conventions and UN charter say differently little boy, and to be apartheid it has to be Israel so unless the Palestinians have surrendered there is no apartheid just occupation for defence.
It is simple apartheid happens within a countries borders to one group of people who are singled out to be apart or away from all the others. It is akin to the American south's racism to ex black slaves who had separate or apartheid places of transport, cafe's, schools, churches etc. It did not extend to Vietnam which America occupied for a short while.

THere have been 43 UN Resolutions against what Zionist Entity does to the Palestinians.

And the point is, Vietnam was occuppied for a SHORT time. The ZIonists have been occuppying Palestine for nearly 70 years now. They've been occupying the West Bank and Gaza for 45 years now.

 

[JoeB131]

Hell no.

Are they citizens like the Palestinian Israelis? Don't tell me you double-talk like airhead Sally/Scallywag?

Pbel, do you really think everyone believes you care so much about these "Palestinian" Arabs. So much is happening to many innocent Arabs in other parts of the Middle East, and you have been one silent fellow throughout your years of posting..

I wonder what Pbel the Putz thinks those tens of thousands of innocent people who have died in the last three years in Syria were. When innocent people are murdered in Iraq or Yemen, who does Pbel the Putz think they were? Maybe he thinks that all the Arabs killed in the rest of the Middle East were just aliens from Mars.

Again, the Cannibal Argument.

Yup, there are a lot of terrible government in the Arab world... run by Arabs.

and when the Arabs get sick of these governments, they overthrow them, like they did in Yemen, Egypt, Tunisnia etc.

The Palestinians do not have the option to overthrow the Zionist occuppiers.

 

[JoeB131]

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Other way around, it's you who dies not know what whining is, which is odd considering you seem to excel at it.

Also, you still didn't show me how Israel in an apartheid state. All you did was show me how that Israel built a wall during the second intifada to stop suicide bombers from entering Israel. The West Bank is not part of Israel proper.
Another fail on your part.

And when you say Israel stole their land, are you talking about the West Bank?

I mean the whole country.

And, yes, Israel is an apartheid state. One Person, one vote. That's how every other democracy does it.

So does this mean the people of Iraq and Afghanistan get to vote in American elections do they ? Or do you only have this rule for the people who Israel ,occupy ?

Not really the same. We aren't insisting on making Iraq or Afghanistan a part of the US.

Israel is trying to have it both ways on the "occuppied territories'. they want to both colonize them and occuppy them, depending on what they want to do.

Want to set up a settlement? Yup, it's part of Israel.

Want to deny the Arabs who are living there basic right. "Well, it's an "occupation"."

 

[Phoenall]

I mean the whole country.

And, yes, Israel is an apartheid state. One Person, one vote. That's how every other democracy does it.

Israeli citizens of all ethnic and religious minorities have full voting rights in Israel.

Sure they do. Except those people kept behind fences in the "occuppied Territories'. and those Palestinians who were driven out and denited the "right to return".

Come on, it's like claiming the Jim Crow South was a democracy.

Those outside of Israels borders are not Israeli citizens so they don't have the Israelis rights. Will you campaign to give the Vietnamese, Iraqi's and Afghanis the vote in American elections.
So what about the Italians, Germans and Japanese driven out of America during and after WW2 for siding with the enemy. Were they given the right of return.

No it is like claiming America is a democracy after doing exactly the same thing as Israel did.