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[JoeB131]

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So, Joe, you really think that Israel told Iraq to invade Kuwait so that the U.S. would go help Kuwait. I find it hilarious when someone like Joe says "Most Jews I know...." It reminds me of people saying something against the Jews, but then saying "Some of my best friends are Jews."

Joe, were you abused by a religious person in your youth by chance? You have an abnorma hatred of religions. Most people in the U.S., regardless of their beliefs, really have no problem with what others believe in because people have the freedom of choice here. For some reason you conveniently overlook the Communists who had no religious beliefs but managed to kill millions.

I think that the ZIonists told the US that we had to take out Saddam after we pretty much told Saddam we didn't have a dog in a fight between him and the Emir of Kuwait. You should look up a lady named April Glaspie, who was our Ambassador, who told Saddam we wouldn't get involved.

I have a completely justified mistrust of religious stupidity, given that it has brought us homophobia, misogyny, genocide, war, inquisitions, witch burnings, crusades, jihads, suicide bombers, suppression of science.

And the tired "Communists killed millions of people"... Um, yeah. Right. Not the civil wars that were already raging that the Communists happen to win. Nope. Must have been those damned Godless Commies.

 

[JoeB131]

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But, Pbel, those atheists in Israel are not like Joe, busy condemning all religions. And they certainly are not throwing around "Zionist entity" like Joe has been doing. Joe, in his hatred of religions for whatever reasons seems to forget that there were and still are many scientists and inventors of products which will have and will benefit humanity. Can you honestly say that all the medical and technological advances coming out of Israel were all brought about by atheists. Let's face it. Most people who have been born in America have no problem with the religion of others. They know that there is freedom of religion and also freedom from religion in this country, and they are not obsessing over religion like Joe does.

Hey, I'd love to have "Freedom from Religion".

I would love to have had continued the peace and prosperity we had under Bill Clinton continue, rather than getting War and Recession under Bush because Clinton lied about a blow job, Bush was right with Jesus and PNAC wanted to take out Saddam.

That's the kind of Freedom of Religion I'd like.

If the wealthy stole the American Dream, the Religous Right drove the getaway car.

 

[Sally]

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But, Pbel, those atheists in Israel are not like Joe, busy condemning all religions. And they certainly are not throwing around "Zionist entity" like Joe has been doing. Joe, in his hatred of religions for whatever reasons seems to forget that there were and still are many scientists and inventors of products which will have and will benefit humanity. Can you honestly say that all the medical and technological advances coming out of Israel were all brought about by atheists. Let's face it. Most people who have been born in America have no problem with the religion of others. They know that there is freedom of religion and also freedom from religion in this country, and they are not obsessing over religion like Joe does.

Hey, I'd love to have "Freedom from Religion".

I would love to have had continued the peace and prosperity we had under Bill Clinton continue, rather than getting War and Recession under Bush because Clinton lied about a blow job, Bush was right with Jesus and PNAC wanted to take out Saddam.

That's the kind of Freedom of Religion I'd like.

If the wealthy stole the American Dream, the Religous Right drove the getaway car.

Sorry you are not doing well in life, Joe. However, it looks like you have found convenient scapegoats for you lot in life. There are many people who are Atheists who seem to not need scapegoats in their lives.

As for Saddam, perhaps you have forgotten that it was Iran who was the biggest enemy of the Jews, not Iraq. However, I am quite sure all the hate sites have told you that it was the Jews who wanted the war in Iraq. Tell us, Joe, do you think it was the Jews who told the government to start the Gulf War when Saddam invaded Kuwait? I wonder what Stormin' Norman would think about your thoughts on this.

 

[JoeB131]

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Sorry you are not doing well in life, Joe. However, it looks like you have found convenient scapegoats for you lot in life. There are many people who are Atheists who seem to not need scapegoats in their lives.

The whole country was doing badly in 2008. Sorry you didn't notice that, but I've already concluded you are some kind of high-functioning retarded person.

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As for Saddam, perhaps you have forgotten that it was Iran who was the biggest enemy of the Jews, not Iraq. However, I am quite sure all the hate sites have told you that it was the Jews who wanted the war in Iraq. Tell us, Joe, do you think it was the Jews who told the government to start the Gulf War when Saddam invaded Kuwait? I wonder what Stormin' Norman would think about your thoughts on this.

Here's the thing with that.

Saddam had a meeting with a nice lady named April Glaspie, and asked her what the US's position would be if Iraq and Kuwait went to war. And Glaspie responded that we had NO TREATY with Kuwait. That we considered both Kuwait and Iraq to be allies, and that while we wished they'd work out their differences peacefully, we wouldn't take sides.

And then Saddam pretty much overran Kuwait in one day because most of the Kuwaitis weren't terribly interested in dying for their perverted Emir.

THen lo and behold, AIPAC and the Zionist Amen Corner in Washington were suddenly crying about poor little Kuwait.

What's 'American' About the American Israel Public Affairs Committee? - by Michael Flynn

AIPAC has also been active in pushing U.S. intervention in the region. In fact, its efforts to persuade U.S. lawmakers to go after Iraq date back to the first Gulf War. In an interview shortly after the 1991 Gulf War began, Thomas Dine, then the president of AIPAC, told the Wall Street Journal that his organization had been busy behind the scenes building support for the war. "Yes, we were active," said Dine. "These are the great issues of our time. If you sit on the sidelines, you have no voice."

According to press reports, in 1990 alone pro-Israel groups gave nearly $8 million in campaign contributions. Among those on the Democratic side of the aisle who received PAC cash and later supported the decision to go to war was Sen. Harry Reid, an influential Democrat who had received $150,000 from pro-Israel PACs during his Senate election bid (a dozen years later, in 2002, Reid would again support the use of force against Iraq). Other Democrats who voted for the 1991 Iraq war resolution and received lobby cash included Sen. Richard Bryan and Sen. Howell Heflin. According to the Wall Street Journal, the entire Alabama delegation in both the House and Senate voted for the resolution. Although at first glance "this can be ascribed to the conservative, pro-military character of the state," opined the Journal, it is clear that "pro-Israel PACs have also cultivated Democrats [in the state] in recent years."

 

[Sally]

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Sorry you are not doing well in life, Joe. However, it looks like you have found convenient scapegoats for you lot in life. There are many people who are Atheists who seem to not need scapegoats in their lives.

The whole country was doing badly in 2008. Sorry you didn't notice that, but I've already concluded you are some kind of high-functioning retarded person.

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As for Saddam, perhaps you have forgotten that it was Iran who was the biggest enemy of the Jews, not Iraq. However, I am quite sure all the hate sites have told you that it was the Jews who wanted the war in Iraq. Tell us, Joe, do you think it was the Jews who told the government to start the Gulf War when Saddam invaded Kuwait? I wonder what Stormin' Norman would think about your thoughts on this.

Here's the thing with that.

Saddam had a meeting with a nice lady named April Glaspie, and asked her what the US's position would be if Iraq and Kuwait went to war. And Glaspie responded that we had NO TREATY with Kuwait. That we considered both Kuwait and Iraq to be allies, and that while we wished they'd work out their differences peacefully, we wouldn't take sides.

And then Saddam pretty much overran Kuwait in one day because most of the Kuwaitis weren't terribly interested in dying for their perverted Emir.

THen lo and behold, AIPAC and the Zionist Amen Corner in Washington were suddenly crying about poor little Kuwait.

What's 'American' About the American Israel Public Affairs Committee? - by Michael Flynn

AIPAC has also been active in pushing U.S. intervention in the region. In fact, its efforts to persuade U.S. lawmakers to go after Iraq date back to the first Gulf War. In an interview shortly after the 1991 Gulf War began, Thomas Dine, then the president of AIPAC, told the Wall Street Journal that his organization had been busy behind the scenes building support for the war. "Yes, we were active," said Dine. "These are the great issues of our time. If you sit on the sidelines, you have no voice."

According to press reports, in 1990 alone pro-Israel groups gave nearly $8 million in campaign contributions. Among those on the Democratic side of the aisle who received PAC cash and later supported the decision to go to war was Sen. Harry Reid, an influential Democrat who had received $150,000 from pro-Israel PACs during his Senate election bid (a dozen years later, in 2002, Reid would again support the use of force against Iraq). Other Democrats who voted for the 1991 Iraq war resolution and received lobby cash included Sen. Richard Bryan and Sen. Howell Heflin. According to the Wall Street Journal, the entire Alabama delegation in both the House and Senate voted for the resolution. Although at first glance "this can be ascribed to the conservative, pro-military character of the state," opined the Journal, it is clear that "pro-Israel PACs have also cultivated Democrats [in the state] in recent years."

Hmm, Joe, you don't think it could have been the Saudis who asked the U.|S. for help when Kuwait was invaded? Don't you just love the web sites Joe goes to so that he can blame the Jews? Meanwhile, Joe should have taken up the Kuwait issue with Norman_Schwarzkopf Jr who did one heck of a job. What do you think Stormin' Norman would have told you, Joe?

 

[pbel]

But, Pbel, those atheists in Israel are not like Joe, busy condemning all religions. And they certainly are not throwing around "Zionist entity" like Joe has been doing. Joe, in his hatred of religions for whatever reasons seems to forget that there were and still are many scientists and inventors of products which will have and will benefit humanity. Can you honestly say that all the medical and technological advances coming out of Israel were all brought about by atheists. Let's face it. Most people who have been born in America have no problem with the religion of others. They know that there is freedom of religion and also freedom from religion in this country, and they are not obsessing over religion like Joe does.

Being a Unitarian we have many Congregationalists from their former Religions, how ever Joe is right to point out the ugly wars fought for Religion...In fact I see one now in the ME and other areas and its sickening to me...

When Religion and Politics mix, the results are usually genocides even today.

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So tell us, Pbel, what religion do the Chinese Communits follow? Moreover, I find it very strange that you are only focusing, as per usual, on one tiny area of the Middle East when so much is happening in other Middle East countries, as well as in Africa and Southeast Asia. How come you don't spread yourself around to follow what really is happening. Surely you must read the news. The news is certainly not all about Israel and the Palestinians as much as you want readers to believe.

Just loves to add innocuous commentary to release building gasses.

 

[Sally]

Being a Unitarian we have many Congregationalists from their former Religions, how ever Joe is right to point out the ugly wars fought for Religion...In fact I see one now in the ME and other areas and its sickening to me...

When Religion and Politics mix, the results are usually genocides even today.

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So tell us, Pbel, what religion do the Chinese Communits follow? Moreover, I find it very strange that you are only focusing, as per usual, on one tiny area of the Middle East when so much is happening in other Middle East countries, as well as in Africa and Southeast Asia. How come you don't spread yourself around to follow what really is happening. Surely you must read the news. The news is certainly not all about Israel and the Palestinians as much as you want readers to believe.

Just loves to add innocuous commentary to release building gasses.

Pbel has left his head at his proctologist for years and years. He has shown the readers that he is not interested at all in what is happening in the other Middle East countries even when he has had and still has the chance to do so.. He is only obsessed with Israel because of the Jews (not that he really cares about the Arabs there even though he claims to be) no matter how many people have been murdered elsehwere in the Middle East. You are so obvious, Pbel. You think the readers can't see right through you, the same way they have seen through you for years and years.

 

[JoeB131]

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Hmm, Joe, you don't think it could have been the Saudis who asked the U.|S. for help when Kuwait was invaded? Don't you just love the web sites Joe goes to so that he can blame the Jews? Meanwhile, Joe should have taken up the Kuwait issue with Norman_Schwarzkopf Jr who did one heck of a job. What do you think Stormin' Norman would have told you, Joe?

I got out of the Army right after that fiasco...

Because after 11 years, I found most officers got high on the smell of their own flatulence.

Frankly, "one Heckuva job" would have been.

"Sorry, this insanity doesn't concern us". Let the Arabs and The Jews kill each other to their hearts content, it isn't our problem.

Becuase here we are 24 years later, still hip deep in the garbage of the Middle East and frankly in a worse poisition.

That's not a "heck of a job".

 

[Hossfly]

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Hmm, Joe, you don't think it could have been the Saudis who asked the U.|S. for help when Kuwait was invaded? Don't you just love the web sites Joe goes to so that he can blame the Jews? Meanwhile, Joe should have taken up the Kuwait issue with Norman_Schwarzkopf Jr who did one heck of a job. What do you think Stormin' Norman would have told you, Joe?

I got out of the Army right after that fiasco...

Because after 11 years, I found most officers got high on the smell of their own flatulence.

Frankly, "one Heckuva job" would have been.

"Sorry, this insanity doesn't concern us". Let the Arabs and The Jews kill each other to their hearts content, it isn't our problem.

Becuase here we are 24 years later, still hip deep in the garbage of the Middle East and frankly in a worse poisition.

That's not a "heck of a job".

You and George would hit it right off. He's another defeatist slacker.

 

[JoeB131]

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You and George would hit it right off. He's another defeatist slacker.

You know, before you go on and on about 'defeatists", how about telling me what 'victory" looks like?

Because, frankly, I don't see it.

Do we conquer all their countries, kill all their leaders and convert them all to Christianity like Ann Coulter once suggested.

Becuase as batshit crazy as it sounds, it frankly sounds a lot more cogent than anything AIPAC and PNAC have suggested.

We all talk like "Democracy" and "Freedom" would solve our problems there, but the reality is, if they took a vote of the Middle East, "Kill the Zionists" would win in every country, hands down, every time.

 

[Hossfly]

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You and George would hit it right off. He's another defeatist slacker.

You know, before you go on and on about 'defeatists", how about telling me what 'victory" looks like?

Because, frankly, I don't see it.

Do we conquer all their countries, kill all their leaders and convert them all to Christianity like Ann Coulter once suggested.

Becuase as batshit crazy as it sounds, it frankly sounds a lot more cogent than anything AIPAC and PNAC have suggested.

We all talk like "Democracy" and "Freedom" would solve our problems there, but the reality is, if they took a vote of the Middle East, "Kill the Zionists" would win in every country, hands down, every time.

I never lost a war and would do it again. The reason we haven't "won" since WWII is the Generals have never been able to conduct a war. Unlike Pershing and Eisenhower.

 

[JoeB131]

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You and George would hit it right off. He's another defeatist slacker.

You know, before you go on and on about 'defeatists", how about telling me what 'victory" looks like?

Because, frankly, I don't see it.

Do we conquer all their countries, kill all their leaders and convert them all to Christianity like Ann Coulter once suggested.

Becuase as batshit crazy as it sounds, it frankly sounds a lot more cogent than anything AIPAC and PNAC have suggested.

We all talk like "Democracy" and "Freedom" would solve our problems there, but the reality is, if they took a vote of the Middle East, "Kill the Zionists" would win in every country, hands down, every time.

I never lost a war and would do it again. The reason we haven't "won" since WWII is the Generals have never been able to conduct a war. Unlike Pershing and Eisenhower.

Again, you avoided the question.

What does "Victory" in the war on "Terror" look like? Because besides the silliness of waging war on an emotional state, exactly what does the end of the war look like.

Now, if you want to use The World Wars as examples, they aren't particularly good ones.

WOrld War I just left us with an angry, bitter Germany and another war to fight (With a few of our allies switching teams.) So that's not a good example.

World War II.... Um, yeah, Besides the fact the USSR had more to do with winning that one than we did, we had a specific goal, the Axis governments toppled and their countries occuppied.

So again, I ask, what does "Victory" in the Middle East look like? Do we conquer all 20-30 Islamic states so we stop being scared of them?

 

[Hossfly]

You know, before you go on and on about 'defeatists", how about telling me what 'victory" looks like?

Because, frankly, I don't see it.

Do we conquer all their countries, kill all their leaders and convert them all to Christianity like Ann Coulter once suggested.

Becuase as batshit crazy as it sounds, it frankly sounds a lot more cogent than anything AIPAC and PNAC have suggested.

We all talk like "Democracy" and "Freedom" would solve our problems there, but the reality is, if they took a vote of the Middle East, "Kill the Zionists" would win in every country, hands down, every time.

I never lost a war and would do it again. The reason we haven't "won" since WWII is the Generals have never been able to conduct a war. Unlike Pershing and Eisenhower.

Again, you avoided the question.

What does "Victory" in the war on "Terror" look like? Because besides the silliness of waging war on an emotional state, exactly what does the end of the war look like.

Now, if you want to use The World Wars as examples, they aren't particularly good ones.

WOrld War I just left us with an angry, bitter Germany and another war to fight (With a few of our allies switching teams.) So that's not a good example.

World War II.... Um, yeah, Besides the fact the USSR had more to do with winning that one than we did, we had a specific goal, the Axis governments toppled and their countries occuppied.

So again, I ask, what does "Victory" in the Middle East look like? Do we conquer all 20-30 Islamic states so we stop being scared of them?

Victory, IMO, would look like just one country turned into a glass parking lot. Then the rest would fall in line and stop the terrorism around the world. Simple.

 

[Sally]

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Hmm, Joe, you don't think it could have been the Saudis who asked the U.|S. for help when Kuwait was invaded? Don't you just love the web sites Joe goes to so that he can blame the Jews? Meanwhile, Joe should have taken up the Kuwait issue with Norman_Schwarzkopf Jr who did one heck of a job. What do you think Stormin' Norman would have told you, Joe?

I got out of the Army right after that fiasco...

Because after 11 years, I found most officers got high on the smell of their own flatulence.

Frankly, "one Heckuva job" would have been.

"Sorry, this insanity doesn't concern us". Let the Arabs and The Jews kill each other to their hearts content, it isn't our problem.

Becuase here we are 24 years later, still hip deep in the garbage of the Middle East and frankly in a worse poisition.

That's not a "heck of a job".

Now how do we know you got out on your own after 11 years. I would imagine most men after 11 years were told to leave because of something they did wrong. Meanwhile, Joe, while you are busy putting down groups that you feel are wronging everyone, have you ever thought that the Muslims might want to take over here. Are you aware of how they are flooding into Europe and pushing their way around? Maybe you are looking forward to becoming a dhimmi for all we know. No one in America really cares who emigrates, whatever their religious beliefs, if they at least try to assimilate, but when a group tries to take over, I don't think Americans are going to be too happy. So while you are blabbering about the Middle East and the "Zionists" whom you think run every aspect of American lives (those hate sites do a fine job of making their readers believe just that) , think about what is happening in Europe and what is happening here.

 

[JoeB131]

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Victory, IMO, would look like just one country turned into a glass parking lot. Then the rest would fall in line and stop the terrorism around the world. Simple.

i honestly wonder if Humanity can survive people like you.

 

[JoeB131]

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Now how do we know you got out on your own after 11 years. I would imagine most men after 11 years were told to leave because of something they did wrong. Meanwhile, Joe, while you are busy putting down groups that you feel are wronging everyone, have you ever thought that the Muslims might want to take over here. Are you aware of how they are flooding into Europe and pushing their way around? Maybe you are looking forward to becoming a dhimmi for all we know. No one in America really cares who emigrates, whatever their religious beliefs, if they at least try to assimilate, but when a group tries to take over, I don't think Americans are going to be too happy. So while you are blabbering about the Middle East and the "Zionists" whom you think run every aspect of American lives (those hate sites do a fine job of making their readers believe just that) , think about what is happening in Europe and what is happening here.

i find it amusing that you carry on and on about "Hate Sites" and then repeat some of the most boring anti-Muslim hate I've seen on these boards.

Muslims are less than 5% of the population of Europe. They are hardly "pushing" anyone around.

So, no, I don't think the muslims are going to take over here or Europe or anywhere outside of the Middle East.

Nor to I think letting the Zionists continue to provoke them is a good idea.

Stop provoking them, we won't have a problem. Period.

Incidently, the Army wanted me to stay so badly they dangled an E-7 billet in front of me to get me to re-enlist one more time. I was happy to get out after the Gulf War because, frankly, I didn't feel like dying for an Oil Company's profits. That's not what I signed up for.

 

[pbel]

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Hmm, Joe, you don't think it could have been the Saudis who asked the U.|S. for help when Kuwait was invaded? Don't you just love the web sites Joe goes to so that he can blame the Jews? Meanwhile, Joe should have taken up the Kuwait issue with Norman_Schwarzkopf Jr who did one heck of a job. What do you think Stormin' Norman would have told you, Joe?

I got out of the Army right after that fiasco...

Because after 11 years, I found most officers got high on the smell of their own flatulence.

Frankly, "one Heckuva job" would have been.

"Sorry, this insanity doesn't concern us". Let the Arabs and The Jews kill each other to their hearts content, it isn't our problem.

Becuase here we are 24 years later, still hip deep in the garbage of the Middle East and frankly in a worse poisition.

That's not a "heck of a job".

Exactly, I just want the Terrorism to stop on Americans over this conflict that doesn't end...Like Vietnam, let's get outa there, and STOP arming anyone!

 

[Hossfly]

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Victory, IMO, would look like just one country turned into a glass parking lot. Then the rest would fall in line and stop the terrorism around the world. Simple.

i honestly wonder if Humanity can survive people like you.

It wasn't intended to.

 

[JoeB131]

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Victory, IMO, would look like just one country turned into a glass parking lot. Then the rest would fall in line and stop the terrorism around the world. Simple.

i honestly wonder if Humanity can survive people like you.

It wasn't intended to.

Ooooohkay.... I hope the VA is giving you your meds...

 

[Sally]

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Now how do we know you got out on your own after 11 years. I would imagine most men after 11 years were told to leave because of something they did wrong. Meanwhile, Joe, while you are busy putting down groups that you feel are wronging everyone, have you ever thought that the Muslims might want to take over here. Are you aware of how they are flooding into Europe and pushing their way around? Maybe you are looking forward to becoming a dhimmi for all we know. No one in America really cares who emigrates, whatever their religious beliefs, if they at least try to assimilate, but when a group tries to take over, I don't think Americans are going to be too happy. So while you are blabbering about the Middle East and the "Zionists" whom you think run every aspect of American lives (those hate sites do a fine job of making their readers believe just that) , think about what is happening in Europe and what is happening here.

i find it amusing that you carry on and on about "Hate Sites" and then repeat some of the most boring anti-Muslim hate I've seen on these boards.

Muslims are less than 5% of the population of Europe. They are hardly "pushing" anyone around.

So, no, I don't think the muslims are going to take over here or Europe or anywhere outside of the Middle East.

Nor to I think letting the Zionists continue to provoke them is a good idea.

Stop provoking them, we won't have a problem. Period.

Incidently, the Army wanted me to stay so badly they dangled an E-7 billet in front of me to get me to re-enlist one more time. I was happy to get out after the Gulf War because, frankly, I didn't feel like dying for an Oil Company's profits. That's not what I signed up for.

Oh, Joe, you are so naive. Check out how the Muslim population has soared just in Spain. And as one Paki Brit poster had said that the Muslims will soon take over England by virtue of them having lots of babies. Like I said, you are going to make a fine dhimmi.

On the Internet you can tell us anything you want to, Joe. I can tell you I was a law professor at Harvard if I felt like it. We don't know whether or not you are telling the truth about why you got out of the service. Your excuse about the officers sounded flimsy to me. You were able to put up with them 9 years; and if it was so bad, you could have gotten out earlier.

As for the hate sites, why not do a little research about them. There have been studies done on these sites. Those who have read these hate sites and use the stuff found on them all sound like they are reading from the same playbook.