US Might free Jonathan Pollard

[Phoenall]

Why should I? AIPAC was all for the War.

That's the point.

Because war benefitted the Zionist Entity. One more threat to them, out of the way.

Those 5000 American kids who came home in body bags... meh, they're only Gentiles.

Zionist Entity
Stop making me laugh please!

The U.S made the decision to go to war in Iraq and Afghanistan
The U.S ordered troops to go to Iraq and Afghanistan.

Don't forget the UN sanctioned the wars and ordered the allied troops to teach saadam a lesson, not once but twice.

I cant see Israel having any control over the UNSC and the UNGC

 

[Phoenall]

Why should I? AIPAC was all for the War.

That's the point.

Because war benefitted the Zionist Entity. One more threat to them, out of the way.

Those 5000 American kids who came home in body bags... meh, they're only Gentiles.

Zionist Entity
Stop making me laugh please!

The U.S made the decision to go to war in Iraq and Afghanistan
The U.S ordered troops to go to Iraq and Afghanistan.

I have no problem with the war in Afghanistan, other than the half-assed way Bush conducted it.

The War in Iraq, that was teh Zionists seeing an oppurtunity to get us to do in 2003 what they couldn't get us to do in 1991.

You really do have as twisted version of accounts and believe far too many conspiracy theories. The UNSC decided that Iraq was not playing ball so told the UNGC to send the troops back in. Now this would be the ISLAMIC controlled UNSC who at the first sniff of Israel would have boycotted any action against iraq

 

[Phoenall]

AIPAC, PNAC. Mass Media...Zionism controls American Pols through the Corruption of money...Wake Up America!

Project for the New American Century - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Project for the New American Century (PNAC) was an American think tank based in Washington, D.C. established in 1997 as a non-profit educational organization founded by William Kristol and Robert Kagan. The PNAC's stated goal is "to promote American global leadership."[1] Fundamental to the PNAC were the view that "American leadership is both good for America and good for the world" and support for "a Reaganite policy of military strength and moral clarity."[2] With its members in numerous key administrative positions, the PNAC exerted influence on high-level U.S. government officials in the administration of U.S. President George W. Bush and affected the Bush Administration's development of military and foreign policies, especially involving national security and the Iraq War.[3][

Seems that you are now relying on banned wikipedia contributers. What next using your own Wiki entries as evidence, or are you DW


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Please refer to editing habits, contributions or the sockpuppet investigation of the sockpuppeteer for evidence. This policy subsection may also be helpful.

User:Black Widow - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[JoeB131]

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AIPAC's fingerprints are all over that abortion. True, they don't want to cop to it now. I don't blame them. I also ain't gonna let them off the hook.

So no actual evidence just your ANTI SEMITIC JEW HATRED giving you a feeling that it was that way

I gave you proof. You chose to ignore it, that's kind of on you.

 

[JoeB131]

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You really do have as twisted version of accounts and believe far too many conspiracy theories. The UNSC decided that Iraq was not playing ball so told the UNGC to send the troops back in. Now this would be the ISLAMIC controlled UNSC who at the first sniff of Israel would have boycotted any action against iraq

Did you skip over the part where the UN did NOT authorize the invasion intentionally? Or are you just being dishonest or stupid.

Iraq war was illegal and breached UN charter, says Annan | World news | The Guardian

The UN chief had warned the US and its allies a week before the invasion in March 2003 that military action would violate the UN charter. But he has hitherto refrained from using the damning word "illegal".

Both Mr Blair and the foreign secretary, Jack Straw, claim that Saddam Hussein was in breach of security council resolution 1441 passed late in 2002, and of previous resolutions calling on him to give up weapons of mass destruction. France and other countries claimed these were insufficient.


Oh, I also wonder how the UN security Council was Dominated by Islamic countries.

MEMBERSHIP OF PRINCIPAL UNITED NATIONS ORGANS IN 2003

The five permanent members of the Security Council are China, France, Russian Federation, United Kingdom and the United States.


The 10 non-permanent members of the Council in 2003 are Angola (2004), Bulgaria (2003), Cameroon (2003), Chile (2004), Germany (2004), Guinea (2003), Mexico (2003), Pakistan (2004), Spain (2004), Syria (2003).

Only two of those are Islamic countries.

 

[JoeB131]

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It is because the source is different every time you use it. Ten years ago the muslim population in the UK was "officially" 1.2 million and had not altered in 14 years, even thought 1 million new arrivals had taken place. Then in 2006 the truth emerged that the real figure was closer to 3.5 million and rising fast. So apply the higher percentage figure as the real one.

"WE" are not antagonising 15% of the worlds population we are running away from 20% + of the worlds most psychopathic killers. The same psychopathic killers that have it as one of their religious commands to "KILL ALL THE JEWS" then enslave everyone else.

I'm still waiting for you to show me the verse in the Koran that says "Kill all the Jews".

Historically, Jews did okay in Islamic Lands compared to Christian ones.

Oh, there is a religious leader that published a religious text called "The Jews and their Lies". Unfortunately, it wasn't Mohammed, it was Martin Luther. Not that the Lutherans will cop to that at their pancake breakfast.

Plenty of Islamic religious leaders have said KILL ALL THE JEWS

You read Islamic history that is full of lies, and no two ISLAMONAZI PROPAGANDISTS tell the same story. You and the little boy monte disagree on this

Now to the Koran

Qur’an 9:29-Fight against Christians and Jews ”until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.”

Qur’an 4:91- If the unbelievers do not offer you peace, kill them wherever you find them. Against such you are given clear warrant.

. Qur’an 9:7-9-Don’t make treaties with non-Muslims. They are all evildoers and should not be trusted.

Qur’an 9:12-14-Fight the disbelievers! Allah is on your side; he will give you victory.

. Qur’an 9:5 Kill the nonbelievers wherever you find them.

Qur’an 2:191-2-Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kill them. Such is the reward of disbelievers.

Qur’an (5:51) - ”O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.”

Qur’an (2:65-66) Christians and Jews must believe what Allah has revealed to Muhammad or Allah will disfigure their faces or turn them into apes, as he did the Sabbath-breakers.

Qur’an (4:48, 4:116)-Those who ascribe a partner to Allah (like Christians do with Jesus and the Holy Spirit) will not be forgiven. They have “invented a tremendous sin.”

Qur’an (4:51)-Jews and Christians believe in idols and false deities, yet they claim to be more rightly guided than Muslims.

Qur’an (5:51) Don’t take Jews or Christians for friends. If you do, then Allah will consider you to be one of them.

Qur’an (5:80) – “You will see many of them befriending those who disbelieve; certainly evil is that which their souls have sent before for them, that Allah became displeased with them and in chastisement shall they abide.” Those Muslims who befriend unbelievers will abide in hell.

Qur’an (3:85) - ”And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers.”

. Qur’an 9:6-Those who submit and convert to Islam will be treated well. (Those who don’t submit will be killed. See previous verse.)

Qur’an 5:53 Jews and Christians are losers.

Qur’an 5:59 Jews and Christians are evil-livers.

Qur’an 5:63 Evil is the handiwork of the rabbis and priests.

Qur’an 5:72 Christians will be burned in the Fire.

Qur’an 5:73Christians are wrong about the Trinity. For that they will have a painful doom.

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Most of these verses are about Christians. ONly a few say "Kill", and that's only in the context of war.

Most of these are the typical, "If you dont belong to my faith, you are going to hell" variety, which frankly, every religiion that has a "Hell" concept thinks is going to happen to the other guy... so I'm really not that impressed with that.

That the Christianity and Islam spend soooo much time on Hell concepts kind of showt hem to be depraved religions.

Nice thing about Judaism- they don't believe in Hell... or an afterlife, for htat matter.

 

[Sally]

Zionist Entity
Stop making me laugh please!

The U.S made the decision to go to war in Iraq and Afghanistan
The U.S ordered troops to go to Iraq and Afghanistan.

I have no problem with the war in Afghanistan, other than the half-assed way Bush conducted it.

The War in Iraq, that was teh Zionists seeing an oppurtunity to get us to do in 2003 what they couldn't get us to do in 1991.

You really do have as twisted version of accounts and believe far too many conspiracy theories. The UNSC decided that Iraq was not playing ball so told the UNGC to send the troops back in. Now this would be the ISLAMIC controlled UNSC who at the first sniff of Israel would have boycotted any action against iraq

Phoenal;, after reading the following article and hearing the Zionists this and Zionists that on these forums to blame the "Zionists" for everything bad happening, it reminds me that this hatred doesn't come out of thin air. Somewhere along the line it was taught. Meanwhile, it really is laughable for someone to try to pin the 1991 Gulf War on the "Zionists" when it was Saddam who invaded Kuwait. Never would their closed minds think that perhaps the Saudis asked the U.S. for help. And naturally they are trying to pin the second Gulf War entirely on the "Zionists" too, as if there was nobody else involved in making the decision.

Three dead, teenager critical after shootings at Jewish facilities - latimes.com

 

[JoeB131]

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Phoenal;, after reading the following article and hearing the Zionists this and Zionists that on these forums to blame the "Zionists" for everything bad happening, it reminds me that this hatred doesn't come out of thin air. Somewhere along the line it was taught. Meanwhile, it really is laughable for someone to try to pin the 1991 Gulf War on the "Zionists" when it was Saddam who invaded Kuwait. Never would their closed minds think that perhaps the Saudis asked the U.S. for help. And naturally they are trying to pin the second Gulf War entirely on the "Zionists" too, as if there was nobody else involved in making the decision.

Three dead, teenager critical after shootings at Jewish facilities - latimes.com

Yup, people who are critical of Israel's policies are just like a mentally ill person who shot people.

Hey, now, if we lived in a country where crazy people can't buy guns.... oh, wait, let's not got there.

And again, you avoided the point. WE TOLD SADDAM WE WOULDN'T GET INVOLVED IF HE INVADED KUWAIT.

Now, this is kind of a big deal. We took the sensible position that in such a conflict, we had no stake. Just like we didn't intervene in a lot of other conflicts in the world that didn't involve us.

But then the Zionists saw an oppurtunity, and gosh darn, suddenly we were all about making sure the Emir of Kuwait could go back to his favorite hobby, arranging sham marriages to virgins.

 

[Sally]

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Phoenal;, after reading the following article and hearing the Zionists this and Zionists that on these forums to blame the "Zionists" for everything bad happening, it reminds me that this hatred doesn't come out of thin air. Somewhere along the line it was taught. Meanwhile, it really is laughable for someone to try to pin the 1991 Gulf War on the "Zionists" when it was Saddam who invaded Kuwait. Never would their closed minds think that perhaps the Saudis asked the U.S. for help. And naturally they are trying to pin the second Gulf War entirely on the "Zionists" too, as if there was nobody else involved in making the decision.

Three dead, teenager critical after shootings at Jewish facilities - latimes.com

Yup, people who are critical of Israel's policies are just like a mentally ill person who shot people.

Hey, now, if we lived in a country where crazy people can't buy guns.... oh, wait, let's not got there.

And again, you avoided the point. WE TOLD SADDAM WE WOULDN'T GET INVOLVED IF HE INVADED KUWAIT.

Now, this is kind of a big deal. We took the sensible position that in such a conflict, we had no stake. Just like we didn't intervene in a lot of other conflicts in the world that didn't involve us.

But then the Zionists saw an oppurtunity, and gosh darn, suddenly we were all about making sure the Emir of Kuwait could go back to his favorite hobby, arranging sham marriages to virgins.

The U.S. actually told Saddam that it was OK to invade Kuwait and that the U.S. wouldn't get involved if he did??? First I ever heard of that. Can you prove this to us from a legitimate site?

As the readers can see, it is still "Zionist this" and "Zionist that" from people with Joe's mind set. It is quite easy to see why most of the hate crimes in the U.S. are committed against the Jews and of course the Blacks.

And, Joe, in a free country like this, of course people can be critical of what the government does. However, when someone goes overboard with his "Zionist this" and "Zionist that," it certainly tells an awful lot about that person.

 

[JoeB131]

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The U.S. actually told Saddam that it was OK to invade Kuwait and that the U.S. wouldn't get involved if he did??? First I ever heard of that. Can you prove this to us from a legitimate site?

I have. Several times.

Ex-Envoy Details Hussein Meeting

During the run-up to the war, the Iraqi government released a transcript of Glaspie's meeting with Hussein on July 25, 1990, which suggested that she gave tacit approval for an invasion. Glaspie managed to convince lawmakers that the transcript was inaccurate and that she had forcefully warned Hussein not to invade. But her credibility eroded after the leak of her classified cable to the State Department about the meeting, which suggested a more conciliatory conversation with Hussein.

...

Glaspie's cable was declassified after a Freedom of Information Act appeal by the National Security Archive at George Washington University. The cable, along with others obtained by the archive, suggests that she was largely carrying out a policy, pushed by State at the time, of seeking to improve relations with Iraq.



Yeah...Oooops. Well, good thing AIPAC stopped by to tell Bush-41 and Baker what their priorities were.

As the readers can see, it is still "Zionist this" and "Zionist that" from people with Joe's mind set. It is quite easy to see why most of the hate crimes in the U.S. are committed against the Jews and of course the Blacks.

And, Joe, in a free country like this, of course people can be critical of what the government does. However, when someone goes overboard with his "Zionist this" and "Zionist that," it certainly tells an awful lot about that person.

Yawn.... frankly, I get a little tired of the "I'm being oppressed" shit no matter who plays that card.

It's usually played by groups who don't want to take responsibility for what they are doing wrong.

Frankly, Jesse Jackson once said, "I think we are tired of hearing about the Holocaust!" I agree. And I'm tired about hearing about Slavery, too.

And, no, I'm pretty liberal about most issues these days. I don't think past injustices are a license for bad behavior in the here and now.

 

[Sally]

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The U.S. actually told Saddam that it was OK to invade Kuwait and that the U.S. wouldn't get involved if he did??? First I ever heard of that. Can you prove this to us from a legitimate site?

I have. Several times.

Ex-Envoy Details Hussein Meeting

During the run-up to the war, the Iraqi government released a transcript of Glaspie's meeting with Hussein on July 25, 1990, which suggested that she gave tacit approval for an invasion. Glaspie managed to convince lawmakers that the transcript was inaccurate and that she had forcefully warned Hussein not to invade. But her credibility eroded after the leak of her classified cable to the State Department about the meeting, which suggested a more conciliatory conversation with Hussein.

...

Glaspie's cable was declassified after a Freedom of Information Act appeal by the National Security Archive at George Washington University. The cable, along with others obtained by the archive, suggests that she was largely carrying out a policy, pushed by State at the time, of seeking to improve relations with Iraq.



Yeah...Oooops. Well, good thing AIPAC stopped by to tell Bush-41 and Baker what their priorities were.

As the readers can see, it is still "Zionist this" and "Zionist that" from people with Joe's mind set. It is quite easy to see why most of the hate crimes in the U.S. are committed against the Jews and of course the Blacks.

And, Joe, in a free country like this, of course people can be critical of what the government does. However, when someone goes overboard with his "Zionist this" and "Zionist that," it certainly tells an awful lot about that person.

Yawn.... frankly, I get a little tired of the "I'm being oppressed" shit no matter who plays that card.

It's usually played by groups who don't want to take responsibility for what they are doing wrong.

Frankly, Jesse Jackson once said, "I think we are tired of hearing about the Holocaust!" I agree. And I'm tired about hearing about Slavery, too.

And, no, I'm pretty liberal about most issues these days. I don't think past injustices are a license for bad behavior in the here and now.

It sounds to me, Joe, that she didn't tell Saddam that American gave its OK for him to invade Kuwait or that she even had authority to say that. Perhaps you can copy and paste from your article where it definitely says that he was given that OK. Keep on yawning, Joe. A guy like you will never be a victim of a hate crime. However, it will be guys like you who commit them. I am not saying that you, yourself, will commit a hate crime, just that people with your thinking commit them.

As for Jesse Jackson, does anyone really care about what he thinks on any subject? However, a few years back some Black kid was beaten in my area, and the authorities found that the kids who did it had download things from the hate sites. I imagine those hate sites are very popular with Junior Skinheads.

 

[aris2chat]

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Phoenal;, after reading the following article and hearing the Zionists this and Zionists that on these forums to blame the "Zionists" for everything bad happening, it reminds me that this hatred doesn't come out of thin air. Somewhere along the line it was taught. Meanwhile, it really is laughable for someone to try to pin the 1991 Gulf War on the "Zionists" when it was Saddam who invaded Kuwait. Never would their closed minds think that perhaps the Saudis asked the U.S. for help. And naturally they are trying to pin the second Gulf War entirely on the "Zionists" too, as if there was nobody else involved in making the decision.

Three dead, teenager critical after shootings at Jewish facilities - latimes.com

Yup, people who are critical of Israel's policies are just like a mentally ill person who shot people.

Hey, now, if we lived in a country where crazy people can't buy guns.... oh, wait, let's not got there.

And again, you avoided the point. WE TOLD SADDAM WE WOULDN'T GET INVOLVED IF HE INVADED KUWAIT.

Now, this is kind of a big deal. We took the sensible position that in such a conflict, we had no stake. Just like we didn't intervene in a lot of other conflicts in the world that didn't involve us.

But then the Zionists saw an oppurtunity, and gosh darn, suddenly we were all about making sure the Emir of Kuwait could go back to his favorite hobby, arranging sham marriages to virgins.

The U.S. actually told Saddam that it was OK to invade Kuwait and that the U.S. wouldn't get involved if he did??? First I ever heard of that. Can you prove this to us from a legitimate site?

As the readers can see, it is still "Zionist this" and "Zionist that" from people with Joe's mind set. It is quite easy to see why most of the hate crimes in the U.S. are committed against the Jews and of course the Blacks.

And, Joe, in a free country like this, of course people can be critical of what the government does. However, when someone goes overboard with his "Zionist this" and "Zionist that," it certainly tells an awful lot about that person.

Saddam Hussein & the invasion of Kuwait - ÕÏÇã ÍÓíä æ ÛÒæ ÇáßæíÊ
April Glaspie - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Glaspie tried to be "too" diplomatic and not forceful enough with someone like Saddam

Language and culture no doubt played a part. Mostly Glaspie was the wrong person to face Saddam.

 

[Phoenall]

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AIPAC's fingerprints are all over that abortion. True, they don't want to cop to it now. I don't blame them. I also ain't gonna let them off the hook.

So no actual evidence just your ANTI SEMITIC JEW HATRED giving you a feeling that it was that way

I gave you proof. You chose to ignore it, that's kind of on you.

No you gave what you believed and did not provide any corroborative proof from another source. This means either you are too lazy to look or the proof does not exist. It is so easy to fall for the first entry in a search that meets with your POV, it is finding other sources that is hard.

Just a lesson in doing the research before posting

 

[Phoenall]

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You really do have as twisted version of accounts and believe far too many conspiracy theories. The UNSC decided that Iraq was not playing ball so told the UNGC to send the troops back in. Now this would be the ISLAMIC controlled UNSC who at the first sniff of Israel would have boycotted any action against iraq

Did you skip over the part where the UN did NOT authorize the invasion intentionally? Or are you just being dishonest or stupid.

Iraq war was illegal and breached UN charter, says Annan | World news | The Guardian

The UN chief had warned the US and its allies a week before the invasion in March 2003 that military action would violate the UN charter. But he has hitherto refrained from using the damning word "illegal".

Both Mr Blair and the foreign secretary, Jack Straw, claim that Saddam Hussein was in breach of security council resolution 1441 passed late in 2002, and of previous resolutions calling on him to give up weapons of mass destruction. France and other countries claimed these were insufficient.


Oh, I also wonder how the UN security Council was Dominated by Islamic countries.

MEMBERSHIP OF PRINCIPAL UNITED NATIONS ORGANS IN 2003

The five permanent members of the Security Council are China, France, Russian Federation, United Kingdom and the United States.


The 10 non-permanent members of the Council in 2003 are Angola (2004), Bulgaria (2003), Cameroon (2003), Chile (2004), Germany (2004), Guinea (2003), Mexico (2003), Pakistan (2004), Spain (2004), Syria (2003).

Only two of those are Islamic countries.

It meets the terms of the UN charter so no UN resolution was needed

However, the US government stated that an armed attack by Iraq did occur against the US and its coalition partners as demonstrated by the assassination attempt on former US President George H. W. Bush in 1993 and firing on coalition aircraft enforcing the no-fly zones over Northern and Southern Iraq since the 1991 Gulf War ceasefire agreement. Under Article 51 of the UN Charter, the US reserved the right to self-defense, even without a UN mandate, as were the cases in the bombing of Iraq in June 1993 in retaliation for Hussein's attempt on former President Bush's life and again in 1996 in retaliation for Hussein's targeting of American aircraft patrolling the no-fly zones over Northern and Southern Iraq and the launching of a major offensive against the city of Irbil in Iraqi Kurdistan in violation of UNSC Resolution 688 prohibiting repression of Iraq's ethnic minorities.[12][13]

 

[Phoenall]

I'm still waiting for you to show me the verse in the Koran that says "Kill all the Jews".

Historically, Jews did okay in Islamic Lands compared to Christian ones.

Oh, there is a religious leader that published a religious text called "The Jews and their Lies". Unfortunately, it wasn't Mohammed, it was Martin Luther. Not that the Lutherans will cop to that at their pancake breakfast.

Plenty of Islamic religious leaders have said KILL ALL THE JEWS

You read Islamic history that is full of lies, and no two ISLAMONAZI PROPAGANDISTS tell the same story. You and the little boy monte disagree on this

Now to the Koran

Qur’an 9:29-Fight against Christians and Jews ”until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.”

Qur’an 4:91- If the unbelievers do not offer you peace, kill them wherever you find them. Against such you are given clear warrant.

. Qur’an 9:7-9-Don’t make treaties with non-Muslims. They are all evildoers and should not be trusted.

Qur’an 9:12-14-Fight the disbelievers! Allah is on your side; he will give you victory.

. Qur’an 9:5 Kill the nonbelievers wherever you find them.

Qur’an 2:191-2-Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kill them. Such is the reward of disbelievers.

Qur’an (5:51) - ”O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.”

Qur’an (2:65-66) Christians and Jews must believe what Allah has revealed to Muhammad or Allah will disfigure their faces or turn them into apes, as he did the Sabbath-breakers.

Qur’an (4:48, 4:116)-Those who ascribe a partner to Allah (like Christians do with Jesus and the Holy Spirit) will not be forgiven. They have “invented a tremendous sin.”

Qur’an (4:51)-Jews and Christians believe in idols and false deities, yet they claim to be more rightly guided than Muslims.

Qur’an (5:51) Don’t take Jews or Christians for friends. If you do, then Allah will consider you to be one of them.

Qur’an (5:80) – “You will see many of them befriending those who disbelieve; certainly evil is that which their souls have sent before for them, that Allah became displeased with them and in chastisement shall they abide.” Those Muslims who befriend unbelievers will abide in hell.

Qur’an (3:85) - ”And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers.”

. Qur’an 9:6-Those who submit and convert to Islam will be treated well. (Those who don’t submit will be killed. See previous verse.)

Qur’an 5:53 Jews and Christians are losers.

Qur’an 5:59 Jews and Christians are evil-livers.

Qur’an 5:63 Evil is the handiwork of the rabbis and priests.

Qur’an 5:72 Christians will be burned in the Fire.

Qur’an 5:73Christians are wrong about the Trinity. For that they will have a painful doom.

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Most of these verses are about Christians. ONly a few say "Kill", and that's only in the context of war.

Most of these are the typical, "If you dont belong to my faith, you are going to hell" variety, which frankly, every religiion that has a "Hell" concept thinks is going to happen to the other guy... so I'm really not that impressed with that.

That the Christianity and Islam spend soooo much time on Hell concepts kind of showt hem to be depraved religions.

Nice thing about Judaism- they don't believe in Hell... or an afterlife, for htat matter.

The only other religions that Mohamed came in contact with were Jews, Christians and some arab heathens. So these verses were aimed at them all, but if you look you see the term Jew coming up all the time in the verses.

 

[JoeB131]

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The only other religions that Mohamed came in contact with were Jews, Christians and some arab heathens. So these verses were aimed at them all, but if you look you see the term Jew coming up all the time in the verses.

No doubt. Islam is an off-shoot of Judaism and other Abrahamic religions.

But "Kill all the Jews" isn't in there as much as you want it to be.

 

[JoeB131]

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It meets the terms of the UN charter so no UN resolution was needed

However, the US government stated that an armed attack by Iraq did occur against the US and its coalition partners as demonstrated by the assassination attempt on former US President George H. W. Bush in 1993 and firing on coalition aircraft enforcing the no-fly zones over Northern and Southern Iraq since the 1991 Gulf War ceasefire agreement. Under Article 51 of the UN Charter, the US reserved the right to self-defense, even without a UN mandate, as were the cases in the bombing of Iraq in June 1993 in retaliation for Hussein's attempt on former President Bush's life and again in 1996 in retaliation for Hussein's targeting of American aircraft patrolling the no-fly zones over Northern and Southern Iraq and the launching of a major offensive against the city of Irbil in Iraqi Kurdistan in violation of UNSC Resolution 688 prohibiting repression of Iraq's ethnic minorities.[12][13]

Um, yeah, we really needed to defend ourselves from a guy whose authority barely extended beyond Baghdad at that point.

Puh-lease.

 

[JoeB131]

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It sounds to me, Joe, that she didn't tell Saddam that American gave its OK for him to invade Kuwait or that she even had authority to say that. Perhaps you can copy and paste from your article where it definitely says that he was given that OK. Keep on yawning, Joe. A guy like you will never be a victim of a hate crime. However, it will be guys like you who commit them. I am not saying that you, yourself, will commit a hate crime, just that people with your thinking commit them.

As for Jesse Jackson, does anyone really care about what he thinks on any subject? However, a few years back some Black kid was beaten in my area, and the authorities found that the kids who did it had download things from the hate sites. I imagine those hate sites are very popular with Junior Skinheads.

I think when your Zionist pals shoot Palestinian Kids or run over poor Rachel Corrie with a BUlldozer, that kind of counts as a "Hate Crime".

Please take your victimology and stick it where the sun don't shine. The Zionists are being attacked becase they stole someone else's land, and those people want it back.

Not because they are "victims". You guys have played this card way too often.

 

[JoeB131]

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Glaspie tried to be "too" diplomatic and not forceful enough with someone like Saddam

Language and culture no doubt played a part. Mostly Glaspie was the wrong person to face Saddam.

NO, the problem was not that Glaspie was too "Diplomatic". Our problem was that we keep sticking our hands in the Middle East Hornet's nest and wondering why we get stung.

The problem was that the US turned a blind eye to what Saddam was doing for decades. He waged an 8 year war against Iran, and we did nothing because we didn't like Iran. He gassed the Kurds and we said nothing about it because, heck, our Ally Turkey was oppressing the Kurds, too, and the main Kurdish independence party had communist leanings.

And the whole time Reagan was trying to make nice with the Iraqis, the Zionists were jumping up and down screaming about how he was a threat and stuff.

Then he invaded Kuwait, and the Zionists had a guy in George Bush that was willing to do their bidding. Nice thing about Reagan, he didn't let the Zionists push him around. Bush was taffy in their hands, though.

The one thing that Bush-41 was smart enough to do, though, was not invade Iraq proper like the Zionists desperately wanted. ANd given what an absolute disaster the invasion of Iraq that Bush-43 did was, that was probably a smart call.

A smarter call would be to completely wash our hands of the MIddle East Insane Asylum and stop getting involved in their fights about who an Imaginary Man in the Sky Loves Best.

 

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The only other religions that Mohamed came in contact with were Jews, Christians and some arab heathens. So these verses were aimed at them all, but if you look you see the term Jew coming up all the time in the verses.

No doubt. Islam is an off-shoot of Judaism and other Abrahamic religions.

But "Kill all the Jews" isn't in there as much as you want it to be.

It is in there and that is the worry, all other religions have moved on from their violent past and act in a 21c civilised manner. But islam still has violence as one of its main commands, and is shown when they practise sharia law.

Islam is a made up religion to slake the thirst of psychopathic murdering rapists in 7c Arabia