US Government Checks Constituted 40% Of Farmers Income In 2020; USDA

[JoeB131]

Your article missed the point of helping US farmers since China retaliated against them for Trump's tariffs:

Well, that just shows Trump's trade wars were kind of stupid, since they hurt America more than they hurt China.

 

[JoeB131]

Tariff money comes from importers.
They either take it from profits or add it to the price, either way its NOT paid by US taxpayers as you imply.

Are you retarded? Did someone steal your helmet.

OF COURSE they are adding the cost of tariffs to the consumer, you idiot.

 

[harmonica]

In a late October campaign appearance in Omaha, Neb., President Donald Trump said he believed farmers were better off getting government payments than relying solely on their farming receipts.

“In fact, some people say our farmers do better now than when they actually had a farm,” he said.

Many top farm states voted again for Trump in November, including Iowa, Nebraska, Texas and Kansas. Several, however, left Trump to vote for Democrat Joe Biden, including Wisconsin, Michigan and Georgia.

U.S. government checks constituted 40% of farmers' income in 2020: USDA

Iowa farmer says that without federal money it would have been difficult to make ends meet but that it began to feel as if the government checks were...

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Well, now we know how red state farmers, and Trump really think about socialism.

they've been doing that long BEFORE Mr Trump was POTUS--DUH
= your OP is TDS crap

 

[kyzr]

Tariff money comes from importers.
They either take it from profits or add it to the price, either way its NOT paid by US taxpayers as you imply.

Are you retarded? Did someone steal your helmet.

OF COURSE they are adding the cost of tariffs to the consumer, you idiot.

IF they add the tariff to the cost of their goods the US consumer can avoid paying the tariff by buying US products.
If they buy the import, they pay the tariff, that is their choice. The tariff cost is not like a state sales tax.

 

[skews13]

Your article missed the point of helping US farmers since China retaliated against them for Trump's tariffs:

No one missed that taxes were taken from some to give to others.

OMG, it was TARIFF money given to farmers, NOT TAXES

Trump tariffs: How much is US collecting in revenue?

Federal spending continues to outpace revenue collection.

www.foxbusiness.com

The US collected $60b in tariffs from China and paid farmers $30b because China cut agri imports.
Stop with the whining already.

"Tariff money" is taxes but you know this. The US collected nothing from China.

Trump humpers actually believe China paid taxes to America for Trumps failed trade policy.

The real question, is how much money in kickbacks did Trump get from those socialist welfare checks?

Because you would have to be as big of a fool as a Trump humper, to not believe those kickbacks didn't happen.

 

[kyzr]

Your article missed the point of helping US farmers since China retaliated against them for Trump's tariffs:

Well, that just shows Trump's trade wars were kind of stupid, since they hurt America more than they hurt China.

How did Trump's tariffs hurt the US??
Tell me your a China First globalist, like Biden, he just loves selling US workers out for that Chinese cash.

 

[JoeB131]

IF they add the tariff to the cost of their goods the US consumer can avoid paying the tariff by buying US products.
If they buy the import, they pay the tariff, that is their choice. The tariff cost is not like a state sales tax.

Actually, they can equally avoid paying the tariff if they buy a product made in Vietnam or India, without having to buy a US made product.

You are a special kind of stupid, aren't you?

 

[pknopp]

Your article missed the point of helping US farmers since China retaliated against them for Trump's tariffs:

No one missed that taxes were taken from some to give to others.

OMG, it was TARIFF money given to farmers, NOT TAXES

Trump tariffs: How much is US collecting in revenue?

Federal spending continues to outpace revenue collection.

www.foxbusiness.com

The US collected $60b in tariffs from China and paid farmers $30b because China cut agri imports.
Stop with the whining already.

"Tariff money" is taxes but you know this. The US collected nothing from China.

Tariff money comes from importers.
They either take it from profits or add it to the price, either way its NOT paid by US taxpayers as you imply.

When added to the price who is paying that? Not China. We are.

 

[pknopp]

Your article missed the point of helping US farmers since China retaliated against them for Trump's tariffs:

Well, that just shows Trump's trade wars were kind of stupid, since they hurt America more than they hurt China.

How did Trump's tariffs hurt the US??

U.S. farm bankruptcies hit an eight-year high: court data

 

[kyzr]

IF they add the tariff to the cost of their goods the US consumer can avoid paying the tariff by buying US products.
If they buy the import, they pay the tariff, that is their choice. The tariff cost is not like a state sales tax.

Actually, they can equally avoid paying the tariff if they buy a product made in Vietnam or India, without having to buy a US made product.

You are a special kind of stupid, aren't you?

Speaking of stupid, the US got $60b in tariffs last year. That's real money, who cares about VN or India?
The point of this thread is: do farmers get paid with taxpayer dollars, or tariff money. I proved that the US got $60b in tariffs and paid the farmers $30b. QED.

 

[kyzr]

Your article missed the point of helping US farmers since China retaliated against them for Trump's tariffs:

No one missed that taxes were taken from some to give to others.

OMG, it was TARIFF money given to farmers, NOT TAXES

Trump tariffs: How much is US collecting in revenue?

Federal spending continues to outpace revenue collection.

www.foxbusiness.com

The US collected $60b in tariffs from China and paid farmers $30b because China cut agri imports.
Stop with the whining already.

"Tariff money" is taxes but you know this. The US collected nothing from China.

Tariff money comes from importers.
They either take it from profits or add it to the price, either way its NOT paid by US taxpayers as you imply.

When added to the price who is paying that? Not China. We are.

My point is that the tariff can be avoided by buying US goods. Trump is trying to level the trade playing field to help US manufacturers and farmers. China's subsidized goods, currency manipulation, and dumping goods hurts US workers.

 

[pknopp]

IF they add the tariff to the cost of their goods the US consumer can avoid paying the tariff by buying US products.
If they buy the import, they pay the tariff, that is their choice. The tariff cost is not like a state sales tax.

Actually, they can equally avoid paying the tariff if they buy a product made in Vietnam or India, without having to buy a US made product.

You are a special kind of stupid, aren't you?

Speaking of stupid, the US got $60b in tariffs last year. That's real money, who cares about VN or India?
The point of this thread is: do farmers get paid with taxpayer dollars, or tariff money. I proved that the US got $60b in tariffs and paid the farmers $30b. QED.

Cool, let's just rename taxes, "tariffs" and all is good. We can use it to address the debt. Address the poor. Etc.

 

[pknopp]

Your article missed the point of helping US farmers since China retaliated against them for Trump's tariffs:

No one missed that taxes were taken from some to give to others.

OMG, it was TARIFF money given to farmers, NOT TAXES

Trump tariffs: How much is US collecting in revenue?

Federal spending continues to outpace revenue collection.

www.foxbusiness.com

The US collected $60b in tariffs from China and paid farmers $30b because China cut agri imports.
Stop with the whining already.

"Tariff money" is taxes but you know this. The US collected nothing from China.

Tariff money comes from importers.
They either take it from profits or add it to the price, either way its NOT paid by US taxpayers as you imply.

When added to the price who is paying that? Not China. We are.

My point is that the tariff can be avoided by buying US goods. Trump is trying to level the trade playing field to help US manufacturers and farmers. China's subsidized goods, currency manipulation, and dumping goods hurts US workers.

We do all of those things. Why is it wrong for other countries to do the same?

 

[JoeB131]

Speaking of stupid, the US got $60b in tariffs last year. That's real money, who cares about VN or India?
The point of this thread is: do farmers get paid with taxpayer dollars, or tariff money. I proved that the US got $60b in tariffs and paid the farmers $30b. QED.

Um, yeah, it's kind of stupid to get 60B in tariffs and then spend it subsiding farmers who could have sold products for more income we could have used.

That's kind of dumb, actually.

 

[JoeB131]

My point is that the tariff can be avoided by buying US goods. Trump is trying to level the trade playing field to help US manufacturers and farmers. China's subsidized goods, currency manipulation, and dumping goods hurts US workers.

If US manufacturers want to be more competitive, they need to become more efficient and produce better products.

The thing is, the entire world's manufacturing relies on international trade. Something might be made in the US, but it's often made with foreign made components.

Its' why the manufacturing sector was already slumping before Covid hit.

 

[kyzr]

Your article missed the point of helping US farmers since China retaliated against them for Trump's tariffs:

Well, that just shows Trump's trade wars were kind of stupid, since they hurt America more than they hurt China.

How did Trump's tariffs hurt the US??

U.S. farm bankruptcies hit an eight-year high: court data

Very true. Its hard to make a decent living on the family farm, especially the smaller farms. They get hit with bad weather, low prices, and other costs. I'm not surprised that we're losing 500 family farms a year. However, their farm isn't scrapped, its sold and bought by a more successful farmer.
Bottom line: Trump's tariffs have zero to do with the continual loss of small family farms.

 

[pknopp]

Your article missed the point of helping US farmers since China retaliated against them for Trump's tariffs:

Well, that just shows Trump's trade wars were kind of stupid, since they hurt America more than they hurt China.

How did Trump's tariffs hurt the US??

U.S. farm bankruptcies hit an eight-year high: court data

Very true. Its hard to make a decent living on the family farm, especially the smaller farms. They get hit with bad weather, low prices, and other costs. I'm not surprised that we're losing 500 family farm a year. However, their farm isn't scrapped, its sold and bought by a more successful farmer.
Bottom line: Trump's tariffs have zero to do with the continual loss of small family farms.

It's sold to the corporate farms that then get subsidized with billions of dollars.

 

[dblack]

Capitalism.

Try again.

 

[kyzr]

Speaking of stupid, the US got $60b in tariffs last year. That's real money, who cares about VN or India?
The point of this thread is: do farmers get paid with taxpayer dollars, or tariff money. I proved that the US got $60b in tariffs and paid the farmers $30b. QED.

Um, yeah, it's kind of stupid to get 60B in tariffs and then spend it subsiding farmers who could have sold products for more income we could have used.

That's kind of dumb, actually.

Look at the facts before drawing conclusions:
1. China's state subsidized products were being "dumped" into the US hurting US industries.
2. Trump put tariffs on those goods to protect US workers
3. China punished US farmers by buying much less
4. Trump used some of the tariff money to repay US farmers for their loss

The issue is China. It sounds like you are a China First globalist like Biden.

 

[dblack]

Absolutely nothing new, farmers have been paid a very long time "not to grow crops", subsidies, loans. Try 1929

Yep. And it's been wrong the whole time.