US Government Checks Constituted 40% Of Farmers Income In 2020; USDA

[kyzr]

They use the opium fields to negotiate a strategy of pacification and then Trump comes along and disrupts a previous process....The opioid problem was not created by Afghanistan or the poppy fields.

1. 93% of opioids come from AFG
2. Opioids kill 80,000 US morons annually
3. WTF don't you understand?
4. Both Obama's and Trump's AFG policies failed.
5. Lets get out of AFG and target drug dealers and cartels, not end users.

 

[Shawnee_b]

How about drug testing the 535, there were demands for that too and well founded. Many have been on the fed dole all their lives. Still are. Test them, let the farmer alone and let him grow your food.

Anyone can take drugs. Why should only some welfare be subject to drug tests? Because it isn’t the right picture?

Exactly right, they can and do. Test the 535. No one group should be exempt if others are tested.

 

[Shawnee_b]

I don’t have an issue with farm subsidies...up to a point.

One, a hell of our subsidy tax dollars seem to disproportionately go to the Agri-businesses, rather than small farmers.

Two, my tax dollars are paying for bad policy, that is disproportionately affecting farmers, but we aren’t ch@nging the policy.

Three, a lot of money somehow ended up going to farmers NOT affected by the tariffs.

Here we have many programs to help the smaller farmers. Like build a hoophouse for $5k, get reimbursed,,, money for fencing, especially cross fencing. Programs for young farmers.

 

[pknopp]

nm

Where were all the demands for drug tests In exchange for getting federal handouts?

How about drug testing the 535, there were demands for that too and well founded. Many have been on the fed dole all their lives. Still are. Test them, let the farmer alone and let him grow your food.

Anyone can take drugs. Why should only some welfare be subject to drug tests? Because it isn’t the right picture?

1. The number of opioid deaths keeps setting records, 81,000/yr recently

Opioid Deaths Reached Record Number, Says CDC Data -- Occupational Health & Safety

The NSC hopes that the new presidential administration will use their plan to address opioid misuse.

ohsonline.com

View attachment 436752

2. IMHO opioid deaths are simply chlorine in the gene pool, stupid is as stupid does.

3. The point of my post is that many companies require drug tests as required by their insurer, so druggies are less employable. Hence to get off welfare, get clean and get a job.

And that should apply to anyone getting federal subsidies, wouldn't you agree?

Agreed. We need to do something to address the opiod epidemic. CA is nothing but homeless, needles, and people fleeing. Food stamps, welfare, farm subsidies, unemployment checks, all should require periodic drug tests. Which population has the highest rate of addiction?? Any guess?

Unconstitutional.

Welfare, food stamps, farm subsidies, and unemployment checks are NOT in the Constitution, they are "charity". IMHO we can put strings on those subsidies, especially health related strings.

Unconstitutional. There is a reason it isn't being done and this is it.

OK, then we keep losing morons to drugs. An Amendment would fix the constitutionality, and there might be support for it as long as we keep losing 80,000 - 100,000 a year with needles and feces on the streets.

Much of it was created by the greed of the pharmaceutical companies.

The OxyContin issue was exacerbated by Big Pharma, but the Heroin and Fentanyl problems are China and the Drug Cartels. Putting Pharm companies out of business only does so much. Then they make "bathtub meth" and other "generics".

OxyContin Maker Purdue Pharma Reaches $8 Billion Settlement In Opioid Crisis Probe

The drugmaker has also pleaded guilty to three federal charges regarding its role in the crisis.

www.forbes.com

The heroin issue was made worse by the US protecting the poppy fields in Afghanistan.

Obama ordered the poppy fields protected. Trump

U.S. Marines protect Afghan’s poppy fields

Obama’s First Order: Don’t Hurt the Heroin, U.S. Marines protect Afghan's poppy fields, Taliban infested Helmand Province in southern Afghanistan, world’s largest cultivator of opium poppies

canadafreepress.com

Richard Holbrooke, the Obama Administration’s top envoy in Afghanistan, says that poppy eradication - for years a cornerstone of U.S. and U.N. anti-drug efforts in the country – has only resulted in driving Afghan farmers into the hands of the Taliban.

Trump ordered the poppy fields destroyed:

Trump's Airstrikes Destroy Acres of Poppy Fields, Ends Afghanistan's Opium Trade

Taliban’s a top funding source of heroin cut off by US - The Trump administrations relentless airstrikes on the vast opium fields in southern Afghan... | NEON NETTLE

neonnettle.com

Afghanistan production increased. Your article is from 2018.

The U.S. Sent Its Most Advanced Fighter Jets to Blow Up Cheap Opium Labs. Now It's Canceling the Program

Trump failed.

You missed the point. 93% of opium comes from AFG.
Obama ordered the US troops to protect the poppy fields
Trump ordered the poppy fields destroyed.

Whose policy do you support considering 80,000 US deaths a year from opioids?
Lets watch what happens to US opioid deaths under Biden.

I supported NEITHER. Did you read the link? Yeah, Trump bombed some fields and then threw in the towel. I did NOT support Obama.

 

[JoeB131]

The US GDP grew from $20.5T to $21.3T no one cares about the "rate of growth", just that it grew. Look at the unemployment rate, there was limited available labor, and wages were increasing. Trump hit the "sweet spot" for the economy, growing the lower half of wages. Thanks for playing.

Except that all ended when TRUMP PLAGUE hit and crushed GDP Growth.

 

[kyzr]

The US GDP grew from $20.5T to $21.3T no one cares about the "rate of growth", just that it grew. Look at the unemployment rate, there was limited available labor, and wages were increasing. Trump hit the "sweet spot" for the economy, growing the lower half of wages. Thanks for playing.

Except that all ended when TRUMP PLAGUE hit and crushed GDP Growth.

Please learn how to read a GDP graph before posting about it.

p.s. Calling it the "Trump Plague" just shows your TDS overwhelms you. COVID-19 began in China, duh.
How will you function when Biden is president and he has no clue where he is or what he's doing?

 

[JoeB131]

Please learn how to read a graph before posting about it.

You can post all the pretty graphs you want, buddy...

Point was, Trump presided over a double digit drop in GDP, erasing 3 years of paltry gains.

 

[kyzr]

Please learn how to read a graph before posting about it.

You can post all the pretty graphs you want, buddy...

Point was, Trump presided over a double digit drop in GDP, erasing 3 years of paltry gains.

The graph isn't only pretty, it shows how the Trump admin kept it growing at a good rate. Before the pandemic hit the US was at full employment. Compare the annual gains for Trump compared to Obama....hint they are about twice as big.

Here is the US GDP for 2020, a big dip followed by a big rise, net-net damn good considering the pandemic and all the states shutdown.

 

[JoeB131]

The graph isn't only pretty, it shows how the Trump admin kept it growing at a good rate. Before the pandemic hit the US was at full employment. Compare the annual gains for Trump compared to Obama....hint they are about twice as big.

It's also bullshit. We don't even know what the figures are for Q4 yet.. My guess is that they are going to go down again because of the second wave of Covid.

Trump will be the first president since Hoover to preside over a net job loss.

 

[kyzr]

The graph isn't only pretty, it shows how the Trump admin kept it growing at a good rate. Before the pandemic hit the US was at full employment. Compare the annual gains for Trump compared to Obama....hint they are about twice as big.

It's also bullshit. We don't even know what the figures are for Q4 yet.. My guess is that they are going to go down again because of the second wave of Covid.

Trump will be the first president since Hoover to preside over a net job loss.

Your TDS really had you blinded to reality.
1. The pandemic hit in 2020 and Trump kept the US economy from collapsing
2. The pandemic originated in China]
3. Q4 2020 wasn't too bad. I know that upsets you since your TDS roots against the US more than against Trump. If Nancy would have passed the stimulus in September the economy would even be better.
Q4 GDP went Up not Down, sorry. You are wrong, as usual.
Just saw on CNBC this morning the 2020 GDP was about -3.3% due to the COVID-19 pandemic.

Q4 GDP Forecasts

Economic activity in the fourth quarter is dependent on the impact of the pandemic. With the number of new cases per day of COVID over 200...

www.calculatedriskblog.com

From Goldman Sachs:

We left our Q4 GDP tracking estimate unchanged at +5.0% (qoq ar) [Dec 9 estimate]

From Merrill Lynch:

We continue to track 33.1% for 3Q GDP and 6.0% for 4Q GDP. [Dec 11 estimate]

From the NY Fed Nowcasting Report

The New York Fed Staff Nowcast stands at 2.5% for 2020:Q4 and 5.9% for 2021:Q1. [Dec 11 estimate]

And from the Altanta Fed: GDPNow

The GDPNow model estimate for real GDP growth (seasonally adjusted annual rate) in the fourth quarter of 2020 is 11.2 percent on December 9, unchanged from December 4 after rounding. [Dec 9 estimate]

 

[JoeB131]

Your TDS really had you blinded to reality.
1. The pandemic hit in 2020 and Trump kept the US economy from collapsing

No, buddy. The economy DID collapse.

2. The pandemic originated in China]

And Trump failed to contain it even with months of advance warning.

3. Q4 2020 wasn't too bad. I know that upsets you since your TDS roots against the US more than against Trump. If Nancy would have passed the stimulus in September the economy would even be better.

We won't have Q4 numbers for a while... but...

Q4 GDP went Up not Down, sorry. You are wrong, as usual.
Just saw on CNBC this morning the 2020 GDP was about -3.3% due to the COVID-19 pandemic.

Okay, that's the point. Trump will have a negative year overall. THis will be the largest decline since the Great Depression.

 

[kyzr]

Your TDS really had you blinded to reality.
1. The pandemic hit in 2020 and Trump kept the US economy from collapsing

No, buddy. The economy DID collapse.

2. The pandemic originated in China]

And Trump failed to contain it even with months of advance warning.

3. Q4 2020 wasn't too bad. I know that upsets you since your TDS roots against the US more than against Trump. If Nancy would have passed the stimulus in September the economy would even be better.

We won't have Q4 numbers for a while... but...

Q4 GDP went Up not Down, sorry. You are wrong, as usual.
Just saw on CNBC this morning the 2020 GDP was about -3.3% due to the COVID-19 pandemic.

Okay, that's the point. Trump will have a negative year overall. THis will be the largest decline since the Great Depression.

1. If the US economy "collapsed" you need to put up a link proving it collapsed. I put up several proving it did not collapse.
2. No one contained covid, the democrats were calling Trump a racist and xenophobe for stopping flights from China. Just imagine how much worse it would have been if Biden was in-charge.
3. Q4 numbers aren't bad, sorry.
4. -3.3% GDP in a pandemic year is way batter than the "shutdown democrats" would have done.

 

[pknopp]

If you are unable to show at least some GDP gain after averaging 2 trillion in new debt a year, well..............

That isn't what Trump promised.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Where were all the demands for drug tests In exchange for getting federal handouts?

How about drug testing the 535, there were demands for that too and well founded. Many have been on the fed dole all their lives. Still are. Test them, let the farmer alone and let him grow your food.

Anyone can take drugs. Why should only some welfare be subject to drug tests? Because it isn’t the right picture?

1. The number of opioid deaths keeps setting records, 81,000/yr recently

Opioid Deaths Reached Record Number, Says CDC Data -- Occupational Health & Safety

The NSC hopes that the new presidential administration will use their plan to address opioid misuse.

ohsonline.com

View attachment 436752

2. IMHO opioid deaths are simply chlorine in the gene pool, stupid is as stupid does.

3. The point of my post is that many companies require drug tests as required by their insurer, so druggies are less employable. Hence to get off welfare, get clean and get a job.

1. The number of opioid deaths keeps setting records, 81,000/yr recently

Mmhm...and...

More Opioids Being Prescribed in Rural America

The CDC analyzed patient opioid prescription data from Athenahealth and found that the percentage of patients prescribed an opioid was higher in rural areas than in urban settings.

www.aafp.org

 

[JoeB131]

1. If the US economy "collapsed" you need to put up a link proving it collapsed. I put up several proving it did not collapse.

Uh, guy, I can go down to my local strip mall, where half the businesses are closed for good.....

65 million jobs lost
160,000 business out of business.

Yes, the economy collapsed in TRUMP RECESSION.

2. No one contained covid, the democrats were calling Trump a racist and xenophobe for stopping flights from China. Just imagine how much worse it would have been if Biden was in-charge.

He was a racist and a xenophobe. Funny thing about germs, they aren't racist. When you let a bunch of white people come back from China with the Virus and don't quarantine them, you've pretty much spread the damn thing.

3. Q4 numbers aren't bad, sorry.
4. -3.3% GDP in a pandemic year is way batter than the "shutdown democrats" would have done.

Actually, no, they'd have done better merely because they would have listened to the science.