US and Nato Helped Trigger the Ukraine War.

[georgephillip]

Whats the Problem with Eastern European Countries trying to join NATO...

Because NATO was a "defensive" military alliance that lost its reason to exist when the Warsaw Pact dissolved thirty years ago.

 

[kyzr]

MIGs aren’t needed... It not the weapon of choice...

These are at the moment...

The inanimate hero of Ukraine's defensive war against Russia, cheap Turkish drones may pose a broader threat

The lethal efficiency with which expendable unmanned aircraft dispose of Russian troops suggest the nature of war has changed irreversibly.

fortune.com

That and Javelins, Stingers, Nightvision, Sniper Rifles.... Light and movable...

Anti Aircraft could be used more if they can guarantee a foothold...

Added in with a Mercenary Army which nobody is talking about but are there... There is an awful lot going on which we are not been told about... But a serious amount of arms and personal are getting in there it is just not reported for obvious reasons.....

Zelensky wants the MIGs.
Give him the MIGs.
He can use them more than Poland.

 

[kyzr]

No he wasn't... Other countries wanted him gone... He was corrupt and they asked Biden to get involved...
Stop being a fool... He was corrupt and everyone knew it... Ye had no clue what was going on. The real players did but you can't see past your insane hatred for Biden... Biden did his job and Trump tried to corrupt another country with US money...

I could just hear you if Invanka was getting $83,000 a month for a no-show job from Burisma, and then Trump threatened to withhold $1b in approved aid for Ukraine unless the prosecutor investigating Burisma was fired.
The Burisma investigation died with the firing of Shokin.

 

[georgephillip]

They live next door to a country which is large and has a habit of interfering in there neighbours business... Installing pro Moscow leaders and stuff...

A country that had suffered European (and US invasions) on three separate occasions within living memory in 1945:

"Outside the territory of the Russian Federation, the republics were constituted mostly in lands that had formerly belonged to the Russian Empire and had been acquired by it between the 1700 Great Northern War and the Anglo-Russian Convention of 1907."

Republics of the Soviet Union - Wikipedia

 

[georgephillip]

Does this piss off Russia? Of course it does... 15 years ago they had a Moscow Puppet in Kyiv , now they are going to join the West... This is Russian meddling in Ukraine... They want an end to it and have the independence and freedom of the west...

What sort of independence, freedom, and prosperity comes from accepting a $27 billion IMF loan, the sort Greece has received?

The IMF connection with the Ukraine crisis | MR Online

"The government that came to power after the 2014 coup restarted negotiations with the European Union, for which it obtained a loan commitment of $27 billion from the IMF after showing its 'good intentions' by cutting the gas subsidy to citizens by a half.

"This loan had several notable features: first, it was huge, much larger (in fact more than six times) than what the IMF would normally provide in a comparable situation;

"second, it was given to a country in the midst of a civil war (as Ukraine then was), which is against usual IMF practice; and,

"third, it was known from the very beginning that the loan could not possibly be paid back, so that the only means through which it would be sought to be recovered would be through metropolitan capital taking control of the country’s land area and mineral resources (the most prominent of which is natural gas)."

 

[xyz]

Biden is a actually being very strong but he just isn't pounding his chest and utter crap...

This is chess and Biden has brought together the world on one side...

Biden knows if he can get China in then this will be done in the matter of few months if not weeks...

Europe has been seriously impressed by Biden... Just how smart he has been has been pretty impressive... Intelligence was spot on...

He's been strong at times, not always. Like when he said there would be no no-fly zone because it risks a war with Russia.

It's somewhat understandable, but a weak think to say. There should be a limit when Russia is constantly provoking. Killing civilians, but there are other things Putin can do like use chemical weapons or small tactical nukes. I think those would require a military response. And what if he invades Moldova or Georgia?

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

Biden played it well... He knows how to act in these situations... Trump was a US embarrassment...

So who invaded Ukraine with Trump in the White House?

And who invaded Ukraine with Joe Depends in charge?

Do you see a clear difference here?
And if not, would you like to plead pure partisan stupidity?

 

[linux07]

 

[Dragonlady]

You have absolutely no idea how much you don't know and you're too partisan to want to find anything contrary to what you already think you know.

You've just described yourself perfectly.

 

[Dragonlady]

So who invaded Ukraine with Trump in the White House?

And who invaded Ukraine with Joe Depends in charge?

Do you see a clear difference here?
And if not, would you like to plead pure partisan stupidity?

Yes, Putin didn't have to invade Ukraine. Trump was withholding weapons and telling Zelensky to make a deal with Putin.

 

[Lesh]

Ya know what triggered the Ukraine War?

PUTIN

 

[22lcidw]

Ya know what triggered the Ukraine War?

PUTIN

If you feel that way, stop him.

 

[bripat9643]

The U.S. and NATO Helped Trigger the Ukraine War.

Vladimir Putin's decision to launch a full-scale invasion of Ukraine is a monstrous act of aggression. But that doesn't mean the West did nothing to provoke it.

www.newsweek.com

Why, of course they did! Is there really any way of denying that it's America's war against Russia?

Best propaganda efforts are evolving into facts that can no longer be denied.

Is this forum roughly equally divided on the questions related to this war?

Suire there is, douchebag. Russian invaded Ukraine. That's so simple even you can understand it.

 

[bripat9643]

Ya know what triggered the Ukraine War?

PUTIN

Biden.

 

[Lesh]

Suire there is, douchebag. Russian invaded Ukraine. That's so simple even you can understand it.

And yet you don't

 

[bripat9643]

And yet you don't

What don't I understand?

 

[Delldude]

Doug MacGregor commented that the bipartisan support for war is using the Ukraine as a battering ram against their age old enemy, Putin/Russia.

He also said it's high time for our government to get away from that mentality and instead focus on coexisting with all these different countries like India, China, and a few others instead of killing them.

Not a bad idea, considering our government will get drawn into the war very soon.

Also was revealed CIA had a training base in the Ukraine since 2014 and had been training their soldiers to be on the level of SPECOPS. Claims training group was a bunch of US retired SPECOP guru's from all branches.

 

[Lesh]

Doug MacGregor commented that the bipartisan support for war is using the Ukraine as a battering ram against their age old enemy, Putin/Russia.

He also said it's high time for our government to get away from that mentality and instead focus on coexisting with all these different countries like India, China, and a few others instead of killing them.

Not a bad idea, considering our government will get drawn into the war very soon.

Also was revealed CIA had a training base in the Ukraine since 2014 and had been training their soldiers to be on the level of SPECOPS. Claims training group was a bunch of US retired SPECOP guru's from all branches.

McGregor is an asshole...at BEST

He "revealed" that he loves him some Putin

 

[Dragonlady]

If you feel that way, stop him.

One of your dumbest comments ever. Of course you've always slavered over anything to do with Putin or Russia.

 

[Delldude]

McGregor is an asshole...at BEST

He "revealed" that he loves him some Putin

Takes one to know one, know what I mean?