US and Nato Helped Trigger the Ukraine War.

[bripat9643]

German capitalists were directly responsible for the murder of millions or Soviet Jews, and you would have been leading the cheers if you had been there.

The Holocaust in the Soviet Union — United States Holocaust Memorial Museum

How were German capitalists responsible for the murder of any Soviet Jews?

"Although up to 2.7 million Jews died during the Holocaust on occupied Soviet territory, their stories remained relatively unknown until after the fall of the Soviet Union."

NAZIs are not capitalists, douchebag. They're socialists.

 

[ElmerMudd]

I like to entertain all the possibilities mr. mudd. Would you prefer to not be warned of the possibilities before the super sonic weapons meet their targets? Sort of a 'last supper' before the rapture up!

Your possibilities are heavily influenced by a very unattractive bias. As they are for the extremist left wing whackos who appear to hate our country.

 

[Delldude]

At least they didn't put the Third Reich in orbit?

With those achievements, they pretty much did.

 

[georgephillip]

ow were German capitalists responsible for the murder of any Soviet Jews?

By funding Barbarossa.

Where did Hitler get his money, from socialists or capitalists?

 

[georgephillip]

NAZIs are not capitalists, douchebag. They're socialists

Then why didn't they abolish private property and profit?

https://www.nber.org/system/files/chapters/c9476/c9476.pdf

"In the six years between the Fascist victory in Germany and the outbreak of war, Nazism erected a system of production, distribution and consumption that defies classification in any of the usual categories.

"It was not capitalism in the traditional sense: the autonomous market mechanism so characteristic of capitalism during the last two centuries had all but disappeared.

"It was not State capitalism: the government disclaimed any desire to own the means of production, and in fact took steps to denationalize them.

"It was not socialism or communism: private property and private profit still existed."

 

[georgephillip]

With those achievements, they pretty much did.

Prior to Barbarossa some western elites were predicting a stalemate in Europe at the end of WWII in which case Cold War 1.0 would have seen the US leading one side with nuclear-armed Nazis on the other.

 

[bripat9643]

Then why didn't they abolish private property and profit?

https://www.nber.org/system/files/chapters/c9476/c9476.pdf

"In the six years between the Fascist victory in Germany and the outbreak of war, Nazism erected a system of production, distribution and consumption that defies classification in any of the usual categories.

"It was not capitalism in the traditional sense: the autonomous market mechanism so characteristic of capitalism during the last two centuries had all but disappeared.

"It was not State capitalism: the government disclaimed any desire to own the means of production, and in fact took steps to denationalize them.

"It was not socialism or communism: private property and private profit still existed."

They did.

Why Nazism Was Socialism and Why Socialism Is Totalitarian | George Reisman​

The basis of the claim that Nazi Germany was capitalist was the fact that most industries in Nazi Germany appeared to be left in private hands.​

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What Mises identified was that private ownership of the means of production existed in name only under the Nazis and that the actual substance of ownership of the means of production resided in the German government. For it was the German government and not the nominal private owners that exercised all of the substantive powers of ownership: it, not the nominal private owners, decided what was to be produced, in what quantity, by what methods, and to whom it was to be distributed, as well as what prices would be charged and what wages would be paid, and what dividends or other income the nominal private owners would be permitted to receive. The position of the alleged private owners, Mises showed, was reduced essentially to that of government pensioners.​

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De facto government ownership of the means of production, as Mises termed it, was logically implied by such fundamental collectivist principles embraced by the Nazis as that the common good comes before the private good and the individual exists as a means to the ends of the State. If the individual is a means to the ends of the State, so too, of course, is his property. Just as he is owned by the State, his property is also owned by the State.​

 

[georgephillip]

What Mises identified was that private ownership of the means of production existed in name only under the Nazis and that the actual substance of ownership of the means of production resided in the German government. For it was the German government and not the nominal private owners that exercised all of the substantive powers of ownership: it, not the nominal private owners, decided what was to be produced, in what quantity, by what methods, and to whom it was to be distributed, as well as what prices would be charged and what wages would be paid, and what dividends or other income the nominal private owners would be permitted to receive.

And the same exact command economy happened in the US during WWII; prior to 1945 neither side executed or jailed the finance capitalists who instigated the global carnage:

The Economy During Wartime - Dissent Magazine

"During the Second World War, the United States had a centrally planned economy—and the most rapid economic growth in U.S. history. What lessons can we take from the war economy today?"

 

[bripat9643]

And the same exact command economy happened in the US during WWII; prior to 1945 neither side executed or jailed the finance capitalists who instigated the global carnage:

The Economy During Wartime - Dissent Magazine

"During the Second World War, the United States had a centrally planned economy—and the most rapid economic growth in U.S. history. What lessons can we take from the war economy today?"

That's right. We had socialism during WW II. We had constant shortages.

 

[georgephillip]

hat's right. We had socialism during WW II. We had constant shortages.

And the most rapid economic growth in US history.

 

[bripat9643]

And the most rapid economic growth in US history.

If you call a shitload of bombs and missiles "growth." You can't eat bombs and missiles.

 

[Lesh]

How were German capitalists responsible for the murder of any Soviet Jews?


NAZIs are not capitalists, douchebag. They're socialists.

They were crony capitalists of the worst kind

Krupp

Siemens

IG Farbin

You name it

 

[bripat9643]

They were crony capitalists of the worst kind

Krupp

Siemens

IG Farbin

You name it

Crony capitalism is a form of socialism, moron.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

The Burisma investigation was for events which took place two years before Hunter joined the company.

That prosecutor, and the current prosecutor, have stated unequivocally that Hunter Biden did no wrongdoing.

And Ukraine is still dependent on which nation with a president named Joe Biden?
To keep which country with a leader named Putin from turning it into a vassal state of Russia once more?
And who has a son named Hunter Biden? Who was employed by Burisma despite no experience whatsoever in the energy exploration business?

I'm certain these Ukranian officials did swear that a good boy like Hunter Biden has done nothing wrong
and is a reputable citizen despite being at the center of a similar scheme to Ukraine's Burisma this time
with the national Bank of China.

This all seems so obvious that Ukraine is being pulled apart in two directions. One, to keep it's protector
the USA (with Joe Biden in charge) in good stead because they are needed to defend against Russia.
And two, to keep any hint of scandal with Biden and his grifting son on the down low because
Ukraine does have a reputation for crooked business dealings.
And Biden and family are still needed.

Remember all the lies about Biden's lap top that supposedly didn't exist? Well it does, it is now
admitted. Ooops!

 

[badger2]

Then why didn't they abolish private property and profit?

https://www.nber.org/system/files/chapters/c9476/c9476.pdf

"In the six years between the Fascist victory in Germany and the outbreak of war, Nazism erected a system of production, distribution and consumption that defies classification in any of the usual categories.

"It was not capitalism in the traditional sense: the autonomous market mechanism so characteristic of capitalism during the last two centuries had all but disappeared.

"It was not State capitalism: the government disclaimed any desire to own the means of production, and in fact took steps to denationalize them.

"It was not socialism or communism: private property and private profit still existed."

This Is comparable to the apparently new CIA-MI6 neo-nazi model, a combination of communism, marxism and fascism. Nuland, Rubio, etc. are supposedly their new models, which it is said, is not a hitlerist model.

 

[georgephillip]

This Is comparable to the apparently new CIA-MI6 neo-nazi model, a combination of communism, marxism and fascism. Nuland, Rubio, etc. are supposedly their new models, which it is said, is not a hitlerist model.

Economic support from the west appears to explain why Ukraine has achieved its recent military success against Russia:

Former NATO Military Analyst Blows the Whistle on West’s Ukraine Invasion Narrative

Jacques Baud, a NATO expert, denounces western coverage of the Ukraine invasion.

scheerpost.com

"Thus, to compensate for the lack of soldiers, the Ukrainian government resorted to paramilitary militias.

"They are essentially made up of foreign mercenaries, often far-right activists.

"As of 2020, they constitute around 40% of Ukraine’s forces and number around 102,000 men according to Reuters .

"They are armed, financed and trained by the United States, Great Britain, Canada and France.

"There are more than 19 nationalities – including Swiss."

 

[Staidhup]

Putin is a paranoid narcissist suffering from illusions of grandeur. To blame the US and NATO’s actions when the proven facts indicate Ukraine would not be joining NATO anytime soon and posed no threat to Russia are very clear. Face it the day baby Obama took the oath of office the invasion was set in stone.

 

[georgephillip]

Putin is a paranoid narcissist suffering from illusions of grandeur. To blame the US and NATO’s actions when the proven facts indicate Ukraine would not be joining NATO anytime soon and posed no threat to Russia are very clear. Face it the day baby Obama took the oath of office the invasion was set in stone.

How do you rationalize the thousands of Russian-speaking Ukrainians who were killed by right-wing mercenaries between 2014 and Putin's invasion?

Former NATO Military Analyst Blows the Whistle on West’s Ukraine Invasion Narrative

"Because the first legislative act of the new government resulting from the overthrow of President Yanukovych, was the abolition, on February 23, 2014, of the Kivalov-Kolesnichenko law of 2012 which made Russian an official language..."

"This decision causes a storm in the Russian-speaking population.

"This resulted in fierce repression against the Russian-speaking regions (Odessa, Dnepropetrovsk, Kharkov, Lugansk and Donetsk) which began in February 2014 and led to a militarization of the situation and a few massacres (in Odessa and Mariupol, for the most important). At the end of summer 2014, only the self-proclaimed republics of Donetsk and Lugansk remained."

 

[Staidhup]

How do you rationalize the thousands of Russian-speaking Ukrainians who were killed by right-wing mercenaries between 2014 and Putin's invasion?

Former NATO Military Analyst Blows the Whistle on West’s Ukraine Invasion Narrative

"Because the first legislative act of the new government resulting from the overthrow of President Yanukovych, was the abolition, on February 23, 2014, of the Kivalov-Kolesnichenko law of 2012 which made Russian an official language..."

"This decision causes a storm in the Russian-speaking population.

"This resulted in fierce repression against the Russian-speaking regions (Odessa, Dnepropetrovsk, Kharkov, Lugansk and Donetsk) which began in February 2014 and led to a militarization of the situation and a few massacres (in Odessa and Mariupol, for the most important). At the end of summer 2014, only the self-proclaimed republics of Donetsk and Lugansk remained."

So what role did the US and NATO play in this?

 

[georgephillip]

So what role did the US and NATO play in this?

The US and Victoria Nuland played a major role in driving a democratically elected Ukrainian president from office in 2014 which set off the violence in Donbas.

Brzezinski called Ukraine the "geopolitical pivot" in 1997 which if properly played would fracture Russia into pieces:

The U.S. proxy war in Ukraine | MR Online

"This has been the goal all along and U.S. strategic planners and Washington officials, along with the NATO allies, have stated over and over that they wanted to bring the Ukraine into NATO.

"NATO made this goal official in 2008.

"Only a few months ago, in November 2021 in the new strategic charter between the Biden administration in Washington and Zelensky government in Kyiv, it was agreed that the immediate aim was bring Ukraine into NATO.

"But this has also been NATO’s policy for a long time now.

"The United States in the final months of 2021 and at the beginning of 2022 was moving very fast to militarize the Ukraine and accomplish that as a fait accompli."