Updating the U.S. Constitution to more appropriately address modern times

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Gun rights should be left to the individual states. Much like republicans want healthcare to be

If your state wants to allow you to have machine guns and RPGs....it is their choice
If they want only police officers to have guns....it is their choice

If the fed gov doesn't interfere, I support this.

 

[The Original Tree]

We need to bring the United States Constitution up to date to make it more relevant to the modern world.

In particular, the Bill of Rights, especially the 1st, 2nd, and 4th Amendments need to be made more compatible with the modern world.

Here is how I would word them:

1st:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of a religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of the press. The right of the people peaceably to assemble and disseminate speech that is not hateful or threatening shall not be infringed. The right of oppressed peoples to petition the Government for a redress of grievances shall not be infringed.

2nd:
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the military and law enforcement to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. The right of private citizens to own firearms designated by the government to be appropriate for antique and/or sporting purposes only shall not be infringed.

4th:
The right of the people who have not been proven to belong to a hateful, discriminatory group or a group that is in ideological opposition to the government to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects,[a] against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

The Right of A USMB FORUM MEMBER to place a Marxist Nazi Socialist Communist Troll ON IGNORE SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!

 

[danielpalos]

The second and third amendments should be dropped they are no longer relevant

Since we don't have militias anymore, there is no need for a second amendment. Leave gun laws to the states

Nobody has housed military in private homes in 200 years

Both are obsolete and archaic

IOW, the OP is another one of your sock accounts.

Nice.

Show me your neighborhood well regulated militia and you can keep your second amendment

Otherwise....let states regulate guns
They do it now

Every State's National Guard is a regulated Militia and as always ignorant people ignore the last and most important part of the 2nd Amendment, The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. The intent is clear.

Good for you

Join the guard and become a well regulated militia

If that was the intent.....that statement would have stood on its own

It had to be qualified

Did my time in the regular Army. Punctually speaking a comma means a pause or its used to separate items in a list. Either you choose to ignore the pause/comma in the 2nd Amendment or you failed English in school. If the latter is the case it may not be all your fault, the education system in this country sucks.

The People are the Militia.

 

[rightwinger]

IOW, the OP is another one of your sock accounts.

Nice.

Show me your neighborhood well regulated militia and you can keep your second amendment

Otherwise....let states regulate guns
They do it now

Every State's National Guard is a regulated Militia and as always ignorant people ignore the last and most important part of the 2nd Amendment, The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. The intent is clear.

Good for you

Join the guard and become a well regulated militia

If that was the intent.....that statement would have stood on its own

It had to be qualified

Did my time in the regular Army. Punctually speaking a comma means a pause or its used to separate items in a list. Either you choose to ignore the pause/comma in the 2nd Amendment or you failed English in school. If the latter is the case it may not be all your fault, the education system in this country sucks.

The People are the Militia.

They are not a "well regulated militia"

 

[martybegan]

Show me your neighborhood well regulated militia and you can keep your second amendment

Otherwise....let states regulate guns
They do it now

Every State's National Guard is a regulated Militia and as always ignorant people ignore the last and most important part of the 2nd Amendment, The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. The intent is clear.

Good for you

Join the guard and become a well regulated militia

If that was the intent.....that statement would have stood on its own

It had to be qualified

Did my time in the regular Army. Punctually speaking a comma means a pause or its used to separate items in a list. Either you choose to ignore the pause/comma in the 2nd Amendment or you failed English in school. If the latter is the case it may not be all your fault, the education system in this country sucks.

The People are the Militia.

They are not a "well regulated militia"

The militia clause was to make sure the individual States could maintain their own armed forces. There was a concern that a strong federal government would usurp the right of the State Governments to call to the colors their own armed forces.

The 2nd part of the 2nd amendment specifically says the people's right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. It is a separate concept from each State's right to call it's own militia.

 

[g5000]

We need to bring the United States Constitution up to date to make it more relevant to the modern world.

In particular, the Bill of Rights, especially the 1st, 2nd, and 4th Amendments need to be made more compatible with the modern world.

Here is how I would word them:

1st:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of a religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of the press. The right of the people peaceably to assemble and disseminate speech that is not hateful or threatening shall not be infringed. The right of oppressed people to petition the Government for a redress of grievances shall not be infringed.

2nd:
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the military and law enforcement to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. The right of private citizens to own non-military arms shall also not be infringed.

4th:
The right of the people who have not been proven to belong to a hateful, discriminatory group or a group that is in ideological opposition to the government to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects,[a] against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Go fuck yourself

Under RandomPoster's new Constitution, you would go to jail for saying that!

 

[rightwinger]

Every State's National Guard is a regulated Militia and as always ignorant people ignore the last and most important part of the 2nd Amendment, The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. The intent is clear.

Good for you

Join the guard and become a well regulated militia

If that was the intent.....that statement would have stood on its own

It had to be qualified

Did my time in the regular Army. Punctually speaking a comma means a pause or its used to separate items in a list. Either you choose to ignore the pause/comma in the 2nd Amendment or you failed English in school. If the latter is the case it may not be all your fault, the education system in this country sucks.

The People are the Militia.

They are not a "well regulated militia"

The militia clause was to make sure the individual States could maintain their own armed forces. There was a concern that a strong federal government would usurp the right of the State Governments to call to the colors their own armed forces.

The 2nd part of the 2nd amendment specifically says the people's right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. It is a separate concept from each State's right to call it's own militia.

Revisionist history

There was no standing Army in the Constitution. They did not think they needed one. A well regulated militia was envisioned as an adequate replacement of a standing army

Armed civilians to man those militias was deemed necessary

 

[martybegan]

Good for you

Join the guard and become a well regulated militia

If that was the intent.....that statement would have stood on its own

It had to be qualified

Did my time in the regular Army. Punctually speaking a comma means a pause or its used to separate items in a list. Either you choose to ignore the pause/comma in the 2nd Amendment or you failed English in school. If the latter is the case it may not be all your fault, the education system in this country sucks.

The People are the Militia.

They are not a "well regulated militia"

The militia clause was to make sure the individual States could maintain their own armed forces. There was a concern that a strong federal government would usurp the right of the State Governments to call to the colors their own armed forces.

The 2nd part of the 2nd amendment specifically says the people's right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. It is a separate concept from each State's right to call it's own militia.

Revisionist history

There was no standing Army in the Constitution. They did not think they needed one. A well regulated militia was envisioned as an adequate replacement of a standing army

Armed civilians to man those militias was deemed necessary

They had the ability to maintain a Standing Army, but only limited. I do agree the constitution should be changed to allow for it and do away with the continuing funding thing they have to do every two years.

Remember this only applies to a federal army, a permanent federal navy is actually authorized.

Armed civilians were also seen as the last line of defense against government itself if it went haywire.

The basic principle is that every American has the right ot defend themselves using the same "arms" available to the bad guys, be they criminals or government actors on a bender.

Notice I said "arms", not crew serviced weapons or artillery.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Every State's National Guard is a regulated Militia and as always ignorant people ignore the last and most important part of the 2nd Amendment, The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. The intent is clear.

Good for you

Join the guard and become a well regulated militia

If that was the intent.....that statement would have stood on its own

It had to be qualified

Did my time in the regular Army. Punctually speaking a comma means a pause or its used to separate items in a list. Either you choose to ignore the pause/comma in the 2nd Amendment or you failed English in school. If the latter is the case it may not be all your fault, the education system in this country sucks.

The People are the Militia.

They are not a "well regulated militia"

The militia clause was to make sure the individual States could maintain their own armed forces. There was a concern that a strong federal government would usurp the right of the State Governments to call to the colors their own armed forces.

The 2nd part of the 2nd amendment specifically says the people's right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. It is a separate concept from each State's right to call it's own militia.

COTUS Only Protects the Plutocracy


The Constitution doesn't protect your right to have a gun; only your gun protects that natural right. Quit trying to push your elitist COTUS by tricking us into slavery to it "in order to be free."

Constitutionazis are bullies who get an irrational feeling of power out of humiliating the majority with their supremacist propaganda from the 18th Century. A real man tells the Plutes to kiss his glutes. This anti-democratic manifesto was written to protect the totalitarian power of the private sector.

 

[martybegan]

Good for you

Join the guard and become a well regulated militia

If that was the intent.....that statement would have stood on its own

It had to be qualified

Did my time in the regular Army. Punctually speaking a comma means a pause or its used to separate items in a list. Either you choose to ignore the pause/comma in the 2nd Amendment or you failed English in school. If the latter is the case it may not be all your fault, the education system in this country sucks.

The People are the Militia.

They are not a "well regulated militia"

The militia clause was to make sure the individual States could maintain their own armed forces. There was a concern that a strong federal government would usurp the right of the State Governments to call to the colors their own armed forces.

The 2nd part of the 2nd amendment specifically says the people's right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. It is a separate concept from each State's right to call it's own militia.

COTUS Only Protects the Plutocracy


The Constitution doesn't protect your right to have a gun; only your gun protects that natural right. Quit trying to push your elitist COTUS by tricking us into slavery to it "in order to be free."

Constitutionazis are bullies who get an irrational feeling of power out of humiliating the majority with their supremacist propaganda from the 18th Century. A real man tells the Plutes to kiss his glutes. This anti-democratic manifesto was written to protect the totalitarian power of the private sector.

Lol, Wut?

 

[danielpalos]

Show me your neighborhood well regulated militia and you can keep your second amendment

Otherwise....let states regulate guns
They do it now

Every State's National Guard is a regulated Militia and as always ignorant people ignore the last and most important part of the 2nd Amendment, The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. The intent is clear.

Good for you

Join the guard and become a well regulated militia

If that was the intent.....that statement would have stood on its own

It had to be qualified

Did my time in the regular Army. Punctually speaking a comma means a pause or its used to separate items in a list. Either you choose to ignore the pause/comma in the 2nd Amendment or you failed English in school. If the latter is the case it may not be all your fault, the education system in this country sucks.

The People are the Militia.

They are not a "well regulated militia"

Only well regulated militia of the whole and entire People, may not be Infringed, regardless of what the unorganized militia and gun lovers, claim.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Every State's National Guard is a regulated Militia and as always ignorant people ignore the last and most important part of the 2nd Amendment, The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. The intent is clear.

Good for you

Join the guard and become a well regulated militia

If that was the intent.....that statement would have stood on its own

It had to be qualified

Did my time in the regular Army. Punctually speaking a comma means a pause or its used to separate items in a list. Either you choose to ignore the pause/comma in the 2nd Amendment or you failed English in school. If the latter is the case it may not be all your fault, the education system in this country sucks.

The People are the Militia.

They are not a "well regulated militia"

Only well regulated militia of the whole and entire People, may not be Infringed, regardless of what the unorganized militia and gun lovers, claim.

The right was not limited to militia.

 

[danielpalos]

Every State's National Guard is a regulated Militia and as always ignorant people ignore the last and most important part of the 2nd Amendment, The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. The intent is clear.

Good for you

Join the guard and become a well regulated militia

If that was the intent.....that statement would have stood on its own

It had to be qualified

Did my time in the regular Army. Punctually speaking a comma means a pause or its used to separate items in a list. Either you choose to ignore the pause/comma in the 2nd Amendment or you failed English in school. If the latter is the case it may not be all your fault, the education system in this country sucks.

The People are the Militia.

They are not a "well regulated militia"

The militia clause was to make sure the individual States could maintain their own armed forces. There was a concern that a strong federal government would usurp the right of the State Governments to call to the colors their own armed forces.

The 2nd part of the 2nd amendment specifically says the people's right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. It is a separate concept from each State's right to call it's own militia.

The People are the Militia.

 

[danielpalos]

Good for you

Join the guard and become a well regulated militia

If that was the intent.....that statement would have stood on its own

It had to be qualified

Did my time in the regular Army. Punctually speaking a comma means a pause or its used to separate items in a list. Either you choose to ignore the pause/comma in the 2nd Amendment or you failed English in school. If the latter is the case it may not be all your fault, the education system in this country sucks.

The People are the Militia.

They are not a "well regulated militia"

Only well regulated militia of the whole and entire People, may not be Infringed, regardless of what the unorganized militia and gun lovers, claim.

The right was not limited to militia.

Yes, it was. The People are the militia.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Did my time in the regular Army. Punctually speaking a comma means a pause or its used to separate items in a list. Either you choose to ignore the pause/comma in the 2nd Amendment or you failed English in school. If the latter is the case it may not be all your fault, the education system in this country sucks.

The People are the Militia.

They are not a "well regulated militia"

Only well regulated militia of the whole and entire People, may not be Infringed, regardless of what the unorganized militia and gun lovers, claim.

The right was not limited to militia.

Yes, it was. The People are the militia.

And the people have the right.

 

[danielpalos]

The People are the Militia.

They are not a "well regulated militia"

Only well regulated militia of the whole and entire People, may not be Infringed, regardless of what the unorganized militia and gun lovers, claim.

The right was not limited to militia.

Yes, it was. The People are the militia.

And the people have the right.

The People are the militia.
Well regulated militia of the People, are declared necessary.

 

[rightwinger]

Did my time in the regular Army. Punctually speaking a comma means a pause or its used to separate items in a list. Either you choose to ignore the pause/comma in the 2nd Amendment or you failed English in school. If the latter is the case it may not be all your fault, the education system in this country sucks.

The People are the Militia.

They are not a "well regulated militia"

Only well regulated militia of the whole and entire People, may not be Infringed, regardless of what the unorganized militia and gun lovers, claim.

The right was not limited to militia.

Yes, it was. The People are the militia.

They do not meet the qualifications of a "well regulated militia"

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

They are not a "well regulated militia"

Only well regulated militia of the whole and entire People, may not be Infringed, regardless of what the unorganized militia and gun lovers, claim.

The right was not limited to militia.

Yes, it was. The People are the militia.

And the people have the right.

The People are the militia.
Well regulated militia of the People, are declared necessary.

The people have the right, militia or not.

 

[danielpalos]

No, it isn't. You would know that, if you had more than diversion, which is usually considered fallacy.

Another gross overreach of the General Welfare Clause, just like the Interstate Commerce Clause. This is how commies overthrow our government without firing a single shot.

What gross overreach? The welfare clause is general, not major or common.

 

[danielpalos]

Let the States regulate guns

Just like Republicans want them to regulate Healthcare

Guns are in the Constitution, where does it mention medical care?

Promoting the general welfare includes healthcare for the least wealthy under our form of Capitalism, and it's natural rate of unemployment for the bottom line of capitalists. The general welfare is not the major welfare or common welfare.

That was a joke, right?

No, it isn't. You would know that, if you had more than diversion, which is usually considered fallacy.

So, what ISN'T covered in your Bizzaroland version of commerce under what you call the "Constitution" Food? Clothing? Shelter?

The general badfare is not covered; the right wing is too cognitively dissonant "being punished by lucre" to understand the concept.