Up to 50 Labour MPs could rebel over cut to winter fuel allowance

[frigidweirdo]

Good point if the state pension was at a civilized level there would be no need for all these other benefits on the side, that's if they qualify in the first place, we have the lowest pension than in many other so called civilized Countries.

And the biggest problem is that spending is at about the same level as under Labour, but spending on essential things like the NHS, education, the police, infrastructure etc has gone down.

So where did the money go? (Rhetorical question, it went in the Tories' huge pockets.)

 

[Deadstick]

And the biggest problem is that spending is at about the same level as under Labour, but spending on essential things like the NHS, education, the police, infrastructure etc has gone down.

So where did the money go? (Rhetorical question, it went in the Tories' huge pockets.)

It's like the 15 billion that was stolen with the PPE scam when covid was running riot, that is much more than they will save with the winter fuel cut, they should go after those scumbags, if i remember one was a Publican where Hancock was a regular that was worth £26million even though the guy knew nothing about PPE while other companies who had experience were not given contracts.

 

[frigidweirdo]

It's like the 15 billion that was stolen with the PPE scam when covid was running riot, that is much more than they will save with the winter fuel cut, they should go after those scumbags, if i remember one was a Publican where Hancock was a regular that was worth £26million even though the guy knew nothing about PPE while other companies who had experience were not given contracts.

Well, it's going to be difficult, because if Labour do go after them, they'll pull the Trump tactic of it being "political".

They need to go after the Grenfell Tower people too. But they won't.

That's the problem with Labour, they have an inferiority complex. Labour should push Proportional Representation because the ONLY election where the Tories got more votes than Labour and the Lib Dems was 2019 and that was by less than 1000 votes, and the Tories got 25% of the seats EXTRA. But Labour won't because.... they're weird.

 

[Deadstick]

Well, it's going to be difficult, because if Labour do go after them, they'll pull the Trump tactic of it being "political".

They need to go after the Grenfell Tower people too. But they won't.

That's the problem with Labour, they have an inferiority complex. Labour should push Proportional Representation because the ONLY election where the Tories got more votes than Labour and the Lib Dems was 2019 and that was by less than 1000 votes, and the Tories got 25% of the seats EXTRA. But Labour won't because.... they're weird.

When i look back over the decades it's been one scandal and one cover up after another, the contaminated blood scandal, Hillsborough, bloody Sunday over thirty years, the post office scandal and Grenfell and there are others all smoke and mirrors and cover up, not one of the guilty have gone to prison so i don't hold out much hope, it's the corrupt system responsible.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

When i look back over the decades it's been one scandal and one cover up after another, the contaminated blood scandal, Hillsborough, bloody Sunday over thirty years, the post office scandal and Grenfell and there are others all smoke and mirrors and cover up, not one of the guilty have gone to prison so i don't hold out much hope, it's the corrupt system responsible.

America is a lot more direct on this. Weinstein and Epstein went to jail. Prince Andrew not so much.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

It was a policy put in place by the Tories to buy support from old people. If they can't get by without it, then the pension needs to go up. This is only a few hundred pounds per pensioner, like a week's pension.

but how many pensioners are dying because the NHS is falling apart? Would the money not be better spent elsewhere?

Pension Breakeven Index: How the UK State Pension Compares to Europe

We've compared the UK's pension system to the rest of Europe’s countries to see which one offers the most to retirees. Check it out here.

www.almondfinancial.co.uk

Its not great is it.

 

[Captain Caveman]

America is a lot more direct on this. Weinstein and Epstein went to jail. Prince Andrew not so much.

I think to go to jail you have to commit a crime and be found guilty in a court of law. Plus Labour have filled the jails up with folk posting memes. So one moment you claim jails are full and in the next breath you want to jail more. Which story would you like to stick to? Oops, sorry, you're a lefty, Utopia world.

If you want to jail anyone, put the warmonger Blair in first.

 

[Captain Caveman]

That's the problem with Labour, they have an inferiority complex. Labour should push Proportional Representation.

Erm, they would have hated PR this past election.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Well, it's going to be difficult, because if Labour do go after them, they'll pull the Trump tactic of it being "political".

They need to go after the Grenfell Tower people too. But they won't.

That's the problem with Labour, they have an inferiority complex. Labour should push Proportional Representation because the ONLY election where the Tories got more votes than Labour and the Lib Dems was 2019 and that was by less than 1000 votes, and the Tories got 25% of the seats EXTRA. But Labour won't because.... they're weird.

Its a small axe isnt it. In itself it just looks cruel. There are pensioners that dont need it but there are dlearly people who will suffer.
The tory nightmare continues.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Pension Breakeven Index: How the UK State Pension Compares to Europe

We've compared the UK's pension system to the rest of Europe’s countries to see which one offers the most to retirees. Check it out here.

www.almondfinancial.co.uk

Its not great is it.

No. The UK needs to figure out it's on the bad end of a shit political system and change it.

If the UK ends up with the Tories even when the Tories don't get more votes than the Lib Dems and Labour, why don't the Lib Dems and Labour then go for PR... try and change things, make it fairer, make politics better?

 

[frigidweirdo]

Its a small axe isnt it. In itself it just looks cruel. There are pensioners that dont need it but there are dlearly people who will suffer.
The tory nightmare continues.

Yes, if people can get away with stealing for 14 years and the electoral system benefits those very same people, and the media backs them up... democracy is very loose.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Its a small axe isnt it. In itself it just looks cruel. There are pensioners that dont need it but there are dlearly people who will suffer.
The tory nightmare continues.

If you're a pensioner, worked and paid tax all your life, why shouldn't you receive it?

Labour hate pensioners, just like you, they fucking detest them. And Labour are in the midst of scrapping the 25% single allowance on the council tax, and putting NI on pensions. so if you're a pensioner who lost your partner, you will lose the heating allowance, your pension is taxed more, and you pay full council tax with one less income.

You and your Labour party are evil scum. What a shit show. And you're a benefit cheater , rubbing your hands.

Labour twined about NHS waiting times, but they ship in thousand of immigrants/asylum seekers that jump the queue and get checked out at the hospital. What a load of dunces you are.

 

[Ringo]

“Britain's new government has voted overwhelmingly to cut elderly people's fuel assistance for the cold season, potentially killing thousands of people”
The planet's bargainers will shut down the “welfare state” hoax project.
Draconian laws against millions of british old people were voted for by the election-winning Labor - literally, a labor party dedicated to protecting the interests of the working class. The hoax names are irrelevant, Capital buys up and corrupts everything it touches.

 

[Captain Caveman]

“Britain's new government has voted overwhelmingly to cut elderly people's fuel assistance for the cold season, potentially killing thousands of people”
The planet's bargainers will shut down the “welfare state” hoax project.
Draconian laws against millions of british old people were voted for by the election-winning Labor - literally, a labor party dedicated to protecting the interests of the working class. The hoax names are irrelevant, Capital buys up and corrupts everything it touches.

Starmer is a national disgrace, he's taking the UK back to the 1970's. It'll take decades to sort out his mess.

 

[Deadstick]

Starmer is a national disgrace, he's taking the UK back to the 1970's. It'll take decades to sort out his mess.

The NHS was in one piece in the 70s not like now after 14 years of a Tory wrecking ball, it will take decades to sort the mess out the Tories left but Starmer won't be doing it.

 

[Deadstick]

No. The UK needs to figure out it's on the bad end of a shit political system and change it.

If the UK ends up with the Tories even when the Tories don't get more votes than the Lib Dems and Labour, why don't the Lib Dems and Labour then go for PR... try and change things, make it fairer, make politics better?

Problem is the people who have the power Tory or Labour don't want to change the system they have a nice little club going just like America, it's a scam masquerading as a democracy, the one time in many years that Labour would have tried to change things was under Corbyn, that's why the deep state threw the kitchen sink at him, if that had not stopped him i believe they would have killed him.

 

[Captain Caveman]

The NHS was in one piece in the 70s not like now after 14 years of a Tory wrecking ball, it will take decades to sort the mess out the Tories left but Starmer won't be doing it.

There's only one party that has derided the NHS for many decades, Labour.

If the waiting lists are so bad, please explain why Labour get the asylum seekers immediately medically checked.

You tell me what Labour did to the NHS under Blair, and you tell me what he did to the relationship between doctors and the government. He mortgaged the NHS for 25 years. So the Tories were stuck for the 14 years, and your shit Labour party is stuck with Blair's fall out to. You dateless sod.

 

[Deadstick]

There's only one party that has derided the NHS for many decades, Labour.

If the waiting lists are so bad, please explain why Labour get the asylum seekers immediately medically checked.

You tell me what Labour did to the NHS under Blair, and you tell me what he did to the relationship between doctors and the government. He mortgaged the NHS for 25 years. So the Tories were stuck for the 14 years, and your shit Labour party is stuck with Blair's fall out to. You dateless sod.

I told you arsehole i didn't vote labour but to blame them for the state of the NHS is deranged.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Problem is the people who have the power Tory or Labour don't want to change the system they have a nice little club going just like America, it's a scam masquerading as a democracy, the one time in many years that Labour would have tried to change things was under Corbyn, that's why the deep state threw the kitchen sink at him, if that had not stopped him i believe they would have killed him.

The weird thing is Labour don't really seem to be a part of that club, they end up sharing the left with the Lib Dems, which means they don't get in power very much, compared to the Tories.

 

[Captain Caveman]

I told you arsehole i didn't vote labour but to blame them for the state of the NHS is deranged.

You are one dateless prick. The hospitals and schools Labour built were built with PRIVATE money. The food contracts were for 25 years. Do you know how many millions of NHS money that should be for staff and operations goes in rent?

And the NHS and education system are still suffering from this, even under your Oh Dear Kier shit show and you have the sheer utter retardness to blurt, "Der, it's Der, it's the Tories fault".

You are from the bell end of society.