Unsealed Trump Search Warrant - Trump had classified Documents

[BWK]

Wrong.
Once the classified document is given to the president, it is up to them how, when and how long they retain it.
No one else has any authority to challenge that, even after they are no longer president.

Never heard such a thing. Show us that documented rule.

 

[BWK]

Actually there's a statutory deadline. A president can no longer retain documents after his term ends.
Everything (see presidential records act) upon the end of his presidency becomes the property of the government, and is transferred to the National Archives.

He made that stupid shit up.

 

[BWK]

You can huff and puff all day about this, I'll see how it works out IF it ever gets to court.

We will, and it's going to court.

 

[BWK]

It was founded in 1995 as Trump Hotels & Casino Resorts by Donald Trump, who after 2004 held only a minority ownership. The company filed for bankruptcy in 2004, 2009 and 2014. It became a subsidiary of Icahn Enterprises in 2016. Since then, all of the company's properties have been closed and sold.

Trump org is going out of business soon as well.

 

[BWK]

What you are talking about is commonly known as chickenshit. The government loves chickenshit.

What you are talking about is really dumb shit. Shit that tells us how dumb and uninformed you are.

 

[kaz]

Lol hey moron, there is zero reason to believe he declassified them. You’re just pretending to know he did

This is the stupid that Democrats are. I ask what he had to do to declassify them and rather than answering you make up shit I didn't say.

So let's try this again.

What does Trump have to do to declassify them? A Hopi dance? What? I didn't say shit you stupid mother ******, YOU DID. ******* ass wipe

And talk about a moron, you're a lying sack of shit who didn't give a shit about Hillary doing far worse. Oh, gotsh, I'm just a girl, I don't know what the "c" means... Democrats: That's OK little lady.

Lying is your way of life

 

[meaner gene]

We will, and it's going to court.

The question is, which court is it going to?
Civil Court
Or Criminal Court.

 

[Rigby5]

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A couple of observations on the above:
"The president has full authority" ---- Won't argue too strenuously, tho I would think there must be some caveats within that power.
But then, it is a "president".......not an "ex-president".....who has that power.


For an ex-president to have it then that appears to be a co-presidency. Or bi-presidency.
And in that, I am really really skeptical.
When the previous guy goes.....he loses a lot.....a friggin' LOT....of his prior power.
As it should be.

And too, I like the poster's comment above who observed that the succeeding president could simply re-classify anything the first guy de-classified.

The next president can NEVER have any say over the documents created by a previous president, unless that previous president is dead.
A new president can not change classification of that which he does not own.
The main source of classified document are from people carrying out presidential orders, who are updating their status.
These activities can easily and often be in violation of some laws, treaties, regulations, etc., but can be protected by the presidential prerogatives.
The next president has no inherent authority to know about, expose, or in any way alter the actions of previous presidents.
If that were allowed, this country would instantly be relegated to 3rd world, banana republic status, and be a total fraud.

 

[Rigby5]

The question is, which court is it going to?
Civil Court
Or Criminal Court.

Neither.
For this to get to court, then one would have to expose classified documents to open public dispute.
Never going to happen.
Which is why the search warrant should never have been issued, and the judge should likely be impeached.

 

[BWK]

“These documents were not marked classified at the time they were sent,” Kirby said

John Kirby - US Department of State

U.S. Department of State Archive

U.S. Department of State 2009-2017 Archive

2009-2017.state.gov

Nostra is incapable of cognitive, intelligent, informative debate. He can only muddy up a discussion or debate. He has no other set of skills. He takes up room on this board saying nothing and lying about everything. It's his MO.

 

[Rigby5]

From the inventory of items seized at Mar-a-lago

There is no "inventory" as of yet.
It is just generic, like "15 boxes".

 

[meaner gene]

This is the stupid that Democrats are. I ask what he had to do to declassify them and rather than answering you make up shit I didn't say.

I'm going by a US Supreme Court case about presidential powers where the process was interrupted by the change of administration. And the court said that it doesn't make a difference what the President said or did. If the process wasn't completed (in this case before he left office) what the president intended, said or even ordered, is moot, and uninforceable.

 

[BWK]

Neither.
For this to get to court, then one would have to expose classified documents to open public dispute.
Never going to happen.
Which is why the search warrant should never have been issued, and the judge should likely be impeached.

You can take Trump to court for illegally having them at his house. I've said that from the beginning. That's a federal crime.

Trump nor you have justified why they were there have you?

 

[BWK]

There is no "inventory" as of yet.
It is just generic, like "15 boxes".

The inventory has four buckets of classifications. Why were they at his house illegally?

 

[meaner gene]

The next president can NEVER have any say over the documents created by a previous president, unless that previous president is dead.
A new president can not change classification of that which he does not own.

That last part about change of classification, is fully within the powers of the sitting president, over any documents created by or under any previous president.

This is the very heart of Trumps claim he declassified documents he brought to the white house residents.

The presidents absolute authority to classify or declassify any document.

 

[BWK]

I'm going by a US Supreme Court case about presidential powers where the process was interrupted by the change of administration. And the court said that it doesn't make a difference what the President said or did. If the process wasn't completed (in this case before he left office) what the president intended, said or even ordered, is moot, and uninforceable.

Exactly! Now, can they explain why the documents were in his home.

 

[BWK]

There is no "inventory" as of yet.
It is just generic, like "15 boxes".

Where did you get generic?

 

[BWK]

Neither.
For this to get to court, then one would have to expose classified documents to open public dispute.
Never going to happen.
Which is why the search warrant should never have been issued, and the judge should likely be impeached.

Illegally having them in your home. It's going to court hot shot.

 

[kaz]

None of the emails were TS at the time they were received. That classification was applied ex-post facto.

So they were marking documents as secret and top secret for future reference??? That was great thinking!

Democrats are just the biggest ******* liars. There were both secret and top secret documents, ass wipe liar

 

[Rigby5]

Actually there's a statutory deadline. A president can no longer retain documents after his term ends.
Everything (see presidential records act) upon the end of his presidency becomes the property of the government, and is transferred to the National Archives.

Wrong.
The ex-president can retain whatever they want, for purposes such as memoirs, proof against or for law suits, to preserve against destruction by opposition, etc.
And in fact all president have always retained large libraries for exactly those purposes.
The purpose of the National Archies are to facilitate public access, which is not valid for 97% of presidential papers.