Universal Healthcare - will not work in the US

[AzogtheDefiler]

ACA is still there. Is it not all that it is cracked up to be?

It has been systemically and deliberately eroded and dismantled - what is there is still working. Every attempt at fixing identified problems however, was shot down by the Republicans

I think the basic ideas are good and it preserves a combination of private and public, and it increased the number of insured people.

That should be good right?

We need a public option that would over time finish off private for-profit insurers. But mandates are a bad idea if you want to win an election.

If universal health care is implemented, adverse selection is guaranteed if you don't insure 100% of the population. Adverse selection causes spiraling costs, and ends with only an uninsurable population. The only reason why Medicare works is that you may not opt out of it.

Yet just about every other country has that option. Odd. You talk in circles.

Please feel free to post a link backing that up.

Huh? Find one that doesn’t and post that link. It would be like me saying it rains in every country and you asking me for a link.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

It has been systemically and deliberately eroded and dismantled - what is there is still working. Every attempt at fixing identified problems however, was shot down by the Republicans

I think the basic ideas are good and it preserves a combination of private and public, and it increased the number of insured people.

That should be good right?

We need a public option that would over time finish off private for-profit insurers. But mandates are a bad idea if you want to win an election.

If universal health care is implemented, adverse selection is guaranteed if you don't insure 100% of the population. Adverse selection causes spiraling costs, and ends with only an uninsurable population. The only reason why Medicare works is that you may not opt out of it.

Yet just about every other country has that option. Odd. You talk in circles.

What the hell is adverse selection? Anyway there is so much waste in our system it is ridiculous.

"Adverse selection" was the entire reason for my 50 year career in health insurance. In a nutshell, it means that, given the option to decline insurance, the healthy people who do not have claims will opt out, and the chronically ill will remain insured, with the result that the insured population ends up being a group of uninsurable people who will bankrupt the plan. My job, as VP of Underwriting, was to decline groups that were going to cost the insurer more money than they would pay in premium. I promise you that if you worked for Mel's Automotive Repair, and the brake mechanic's wife was waiting for a heart transplant, Mel would never find an insurance company to cover them, until that auto mechanic was no longer employed there. Three cheers for private enterprise!

Why was that employee not insured before the wife needed the transplant? That’s like asking to buy auto insurance after the auto accident occurred. It doesn’t make sense.

 

[francoHFW]

Auto insurance works well. I pay less because I am a safe driver who lives in a safe area. Why should I pay the same as some fat loser who eats chips all day? Like JoeB for example.

Living in a safe area is certainly a factor in determining medical insurance premiums.

If you live in the Ghetto, the odds that you will be hit by a bullet is a lot higher. Even a single round can cause big medical bills depending on where you are hit.

The way insurance works is that your premiums are not dependent on how healthy you are unless you enter with pre existing conditions. They are based on age, occupation and where you live. If you work at high risk occupations (logging, mining, farming) they will be higher than a paper pusher. If you live in areas with high rates of health issues like smoking and obesity, they will be higher even if you are thin and don't smoke.

Not if you work for a big corporation then everyone pays the same. I could have two kids and you could have six kids but we will pay the same. Stupid.

Actually that is the way Obamacare works also. to take care of pre-existing conditions that has to be that way.

You know I think Americans are the most difficult people possible. And suckers.... LOL. Except for good Democrats of course, socialists to be succinct. People who want Fair capitalism with a good safety net and always democratic.

Americans are also conspiracy nut jobs especially of course the dupes. of course this is a low point, just like the one in England where the right-wingers are frothing. Just the kind of thing that happens after a corrupt GOP World depression. Even if it seems when the worst effects have been averted with huge debt in the modern world. Like Obama's debt that was basically all about bailouts and unemployment and welfare for the victims....


I need a year off from this idiocy LOL. Perfect my English history, French pronunciation, Spanish language and Zen....

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Auto insurance works well. I pay less because I am a safe driver who lives in a safe area. Why should I pay the same as some fat loser who eats chips all day? Like JoeB for example.

Living in a safe area is certainly a factor in determining medical insurance premiums.

If you live in the Ghetto, the odds that you will be hit by a bullet is a lot higher. Even a single round can cause big medical bills depending on where you are hit.

The way insurance works is that your premiums are not dependent on how healthy you are unless you enter with pre existing conditions. They are based on age, occupation and where you live. If you work at high risk occupations (logging, mining, farming) they will be higher than a paper pusher. If you live in areas with high rates of health issues like smoking and obesity, they will be higher even if you are thin and don't smoke.

Not if you work for a big corporation then everyone pays the same. I could have two kids and you could have six kids but we will pay the same. Stupid.

Actually that is the way Obamacare works also. to take care of pre-existing conditions that has to be that way.

You know I think Americans are the most difficult people possible. And suckers.... LOL. Except for good Democrats of course, socialists to be succinct. People who want Fair capitalism with a good safety net and always democratic.

Americans are also conspiracy nut jobs especially of course the dupes. of course this is a low point, just like the one in England where the right-wingers are frothing. Just the kind of thing that happens after a corrupt GOP World depression. Even if it seems when the worst effects have been averted with huge debt in the modern world. Like Obama's debt that was basically all about bailouts and unemployment and welfare for the victims....


I need a year off from this idiocy LOL. Perfect my English history, French pronunciation, Spanish language and Zen....

But it doesn't make sense. It it illogical IMO.

 

[Coyote]

I also hear that benefits such as healthcare are not as widespread as they once were due to more of the work force being labeled as "contractors" and not quite full time. That's a real issue imo.

ACA is still there. Is it not all that it is cracked up to be?

It has been systemically and deliberately eroded and dismantled - what is there is still working. Every attempt at fixing identified problems however, was shot down by the Republicans

I think the basic ideas are good and it preserves a combination of private and public, and it increased the number of insured people.

That should be good right?

The ideas that the healthy have to buy insurance to pay for the sick? Pass....

Unfortunately...it's kind of how insurance works...IF you want low premiums and pre-existing conditions covered.

How about punishing those that are fat and smoke and drink and don’t exercise instead of taking my money to pay for their poor choices?

Because I don't think people should be "punished" beyond the punishment already inflicted by their diseases. The causes of diseases like addiction and obesity are complex. I know my insurance offers a discount in premiums if you don't smoke and practice a healthy life style. I have no problem with that. But too many pre-existing conditions aren't in the person's control, and they need healthcare. Punishing them makes no sense - it won't change the condition, it will only place a greater burden on society.

I am more about prevention. If someone with Type 2 diabetes has affordable insurance then he can afford to address his condition in ways that reduce damage further on, prevent serious issues that might keep him from working. If he can't afford insurance, then it is more likely the only medical care he will receive will be in the ER by which time there is a lot more damage to health and it's very expensive.

Healthcare is a very complex issue - I prefer to educate, prevent, and treat at early stages where possible rather than punish. Illness is punishment enough and illness isn't always a result of "bad choices".

 

[francoHFW]

Auto insurance works well. I pay less because I am a safe driver who lives in a safe area. Why should I pay the same as some fat loser who eats chips all day? Like JoeB for example.

Living in a safe area is certainly a factor in determining medical insurance premiums.

If you live in the Ghetto, the odds that you will be hit by a bullet is a lot higher. Even a single round can cause big medical bills depending on where you are hit.

The way insurance works is that your premiums are not dependent on how healthy you are unless you enter with pre existing conditions. They are based on age, occupation and where you live. If you work at high risk occupations (logging, mining, farming) they will be higher than a paper pusher. If you live in areas with high rates of health issues like smoking and obesity, they will be higher even if you are thin and don't smoke.

Not if you work for a big corporation then everyone pays the same. I could have two kids and you could have six kids but we will pay the same. Stupid.

Actually that is the way Obamacare works also. to take care of pre-existing conditions that has to be that way.

You know I think Americans are the most difficult people possible. And suckers.... LOL. Except for good Democrats of course, socialists to be succinct. People who want Fair capitalism with a good safety net and always democratic.

Americans are also conspiracy nut jobs especially of course the dupes. of course this is a low point, just like the one in England where the right-wingers are frothing. Just the kind of thing that happens after a corrupt GOP World depression. Even if it seems when the worst effects have been averted with huge debt in the modern world. Like Obama's debt that was basically all about bailouts and unemployment and welfare for the victims....


I need a year off from this idiocy LOL. Perfect my English history, French pronunciation, Spanish language and Zen....

But it doesn't make sense. It it illogical IMO.

Every working health Care system in the world depends on giving everyone the same deal or else you lose half the people LOL adverse selection!

 

[Coyote]

Auto insurance works well. I pay less because I am a safe driver who lives in a safe area. Why should I pay the same as some fat loser who eats chips all day? Like JoeB for example.

Living in a safe area is certainly a factor in determining medical insurance premiums.

If you live in the Ghetto, the odds that you will be hit by a bullet is a lot higher. Even a single round can cause big medical bills depending on where you are hit.

The way insurance works is that your premiums are not dependent on how healthy you are unless you enter with pre existing conditions. They are based on age, occupation and where you live. If you work at high risk occupations (logging, mining, farming) they will be higher than a paper pusher. If you live in areas with high rates of health issues like smoking and obesity, they will be higher even if you are thin and don't smoke.

Not if you work for a big corporation then everyone pays the same. I could have two kids and you could have six kids but we will pay the same. Stupid.

You mean as in single vs family coverage? That large families should pay more?

 

[francoHFW]

ACA is still there. Is it not all that it is cracked up to be?

It has been systemically and deliberately eroded and dismantled - what is there is still working. Every attempt at fixing identified problems however, was shot down by the Republicans

I think the basic ideas are good and it preserves a combination of private and public, and it increased the number of insured people.

That should be good right?

The ideas that the healthy have to buy insurance to pay for the sick? Pass....

Unfortunately...it's kind of how insurance works...IF you want low premiums and pre-existing conditions covered.

How about punishing those that are fat and smoke and drink and don’t exercise instead of taking my money to pay for their poor choices?

Because I don't think people should be "punished" beyond the punishment already inflicted by their diseases. The causes of diseases like addiction and obesity are complex. I know my insurance offers a discount in premiums if you don't smoke and practice a healthy life style. I have no problem with that. But too many pre-existing conditions aren't in the person's control, and they need healthcare. Punishing them makes no sense - it won't change the condition, it will only place a greater burden on society.

I am more about prevention. If someone with Type 2 diabetes has affordable insurance then he can afford to address his condition in ways that reduce damage further on, prevent serious issues that might keep him from working. If he can't afford insurance, then it is more likely the only medical care he will receive will be in the ER by which time there is a lot more damage to health and it's very expensive.

Healthcare is a very complex issue - I prefer to educate, prevent, and treat at early stages where possible rather than punish. Illness is punishment enough and illness isn't always a result of "bad choices".

a lot of those bad choices come from not having a doctor to tell you what to do or what is going on.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

ACA is still there. Is it not all that it is cracked up to be?

It has been systemically and deliberately eroded and dismantled - what is there is still working. Every attempt at fixing identified problems however, was shot down by the Republicans

I think the basic ideas are good and it preserves a combination of private and public, and it increased the number of insured people.

That should be good right?

The ideas that the healthy have to buy insurance to pay for the sick? Pass....

Unfortunately...it's kind of how insurance works...IF you want low premiums and pre-existing conditions covered.

How about punishing those that are fat and smoke and drink and don’t exercise instead of taking my money to pay for their poor choices?

Because I don't think people should be "punished" beyond the punishment already inflicted by their diseases. The causes of diseases like addiction and obesity are complex. I know my insurance offers a discount in premiums if you don't smoke and practice a healthy life style. I have no problem with that. But too many pre-existing conditions aren't in the person's control, and they need healthcare. Punishing them makes no sense - it won't change the condition, it will only place a greater burden on society.

I am more about prevention. If someone with Type 2 diabetes has affordable insurance then he can afford to address his condition in ways that reduce damage further on, prevent serious issues that might keep him from working. If he can't afford insurance, then it is more likely the only medical care he will receive will be in the ER by which time there is a lot more damage to health and it's very expensive.

Healthcare is a very complex issue - I prefer to educate, prevent, and treat at early stages where possible rather than punish. Illness is punishment enough and illness isn't always a result of "bad choices".

I am all for being proactive vs reactive but if you’re a poor driver you pay more for insurance. I dont like exercising and going to the gym but I do because I know how important that is. I should pay less than some lazy fat ass. It works for life insurance why not for health insurance? If you got diabetes as a kid then it sucks and we should treat you but if you got it as an adult due to poor lifestyle choices then it’s on you.

 

[The Purge]

Who is going to PAY for healthcare for everyone, and if they do get rid of private healthcare, what happens to the 5 million+++++ workers within the private healthcare system?

 

[Coyote]

It has been systemically and deliberately eroded and dismantled - what is there is still working. Every attempt at fixing identified problems however, was shot down by the Republicans

I think the basic ideas are good and it preserves a combination of private and public, and it increased the number of insured people.

That should be good right?

The ideas that the healthy have to buy insurance to pay for the sick? Pass....

Unfortunately...it's kind of how insurance works...IF you want low premiums and pre-existing conditions covered.

How about punishing those that are fat and smoke and drink and don’t exercise instead of taking my money to pay for their poor choices?

Because I don't think people should be "punished" beyond the punishment already inflicted by their diseases. The causes of diseases like addiction and obesity are complex. I know my insurance offers a discount in premiums if you don't smoke and practice a healthy life style. I have no problem with that. But too many pre-existing conditions aren't in the person's control, and they need healthcare. Punishing them makes no sense - it won't change the condition, it will only place a greater burden on society.

I am more about prevention. If someone with Type 2 diabetes has affordable insurance then he can afford to address his condition in ways that reduce damage further on, prevent serious issues that might keep him from working. If he can't afford insurance, then it is more likely the only medical care he will receive will be in the ER by which time there is a lot more damage to health and it's very expensive.

Healthcare is a very complex issue - I prefer to educate, prevent, and treat at early stages where possible rather than punish. Illness is punishment enough and illness isn't always a result of "bad choices".

a lot of those bad choices come from not having a doctor to tell you what to do or what is going on.

Not always. Frankly, I've found many times you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. But at least you are giving him a chance in catching it early and educating and supporting with the idea of preventing hospital admissions. I've learned a lot about this in the past few months. There have been a lot of changes in how preventative support is part of the post-hospitalization process and it did not used to be. It's part of ACA.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Living in a safe area is certainly a factor in determining medical insurance premiums.

If you live in the Ghetto, the odds that you will be hit by a bullet is a lot higher. Even a single round can cause big medical bills depending on where you are hit.

The way insurance works is that your premiums are not dependent on how healthy you are unless you enter with pre existing conditions. They are based on age, occupation and where you live. If you work at high risk occupations (logging, mining, farming) they will be higher than a paper pusher. If you live in areas with high rates of health issues like smoking and obesity, they will be higher even if you are thin and don't smoke.

Not if you work for a big corporation then everyone pays the same. I could have two kids and you could have six kids but we will pay the same. Stupid.

Actually that is the way Obamacare works also. to take care of pre-existing conditions that has to be that way.

You know I think Americans are the most difficult people possible. And suckers.... LOL. Except for good Democrats of course, socialists to be succinct. People who want Fair capitalism with a good safety net and always democratic.

Americans are also conspiracy nut jobs especially of course the dupes. of course this is a low point, just like the one in England where the right-wingers are frothing. Just the kind of thing that happens after a corrupt GOP World depression. Even if it seems when the worst effects have been averted with huge debt in the modern world. Like Obama's debt that was basically all about bailouts and unemployment and welfare for the victims....


I need a year off from this idiocy LOL. Perfect my English history, French pronunciation, Spanish language and Zen....

But it doesn't make sense. It it illogical IMO.

Every working health Care system in the world depends on giving everyone the same deal or else you lose half the people LOL adverse selection!

So just because they are wrong we should be wrong too? I agree our system is broken but I dont want to pay more so that people who make poor lifestyle choices get their dose of meds and treatment.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Auto insurance works well. I pay less because I am a safe driver who lives in a safe area. Why should I pay the same as some fat loser who eats chips all day? Like JoeB for example.

Living in a safe area is certainly a factor in determining medical insurance premiums.

If you live in the Ghetto, the odds that you will be hit by a bullet is a lot higher. Even a single round can cause big medical bills depending on where you are hit.

The way insurance works is that your premiums are not dependent on how healthy you are unless you enter with pre existing conditions. They are based on age, occupation and where you live. If you work at high risk occupations (logging, mining, farming) they will be higher than a paper pusher. If you live in areas with high rates of health issues like smoking and obesity, they will be higher even if you are thin and don't smoke.

Not if you work for a big corporation then everyone pays the same. I could have two kids and you could have six kids but we will pay the same. Stupid.

You mean as in single vs family coverage? That large families should pay more?

Family vs a Family. Family of six should pay more than a family of four. Yes.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

It has been systemically and deliberately eroded and dismantled - what is there is still working. Every attempt at fixing identified problems however, was shot down by the Republicans

I think the basic ideas are good and it preserves a combination of private and public, and it increased the number of insured people.

That should be good right?

The ideas that the healthy have to buy insurance to pay for the sick? Pass....

Unfortunately...it's kind of how insurance works...IF you want low premiums and pre-existing conditions covered.

How about punishing those that are fat and smoke and drink and don’t exercise instead of taking my money to pay for their poor choices?

Because I don't think people should be "punished" beyond the punishment already inflicted by their diseases. The causes of diseases like addiction and obesity are complex. I know my insurance offers a discount in premiums if you don't smoke and practice a healthy life style. I have no problem with that. But too many pre-existing conditions aren't in the person's control, and they need healthcare. Punishing them makes no sense - it won't change the condition, it will only place a greater burden on society.

I am more about prevention. If someone with Type 2 diabetes has affordable insurance then he can afford to address his condition in ways that reduce damage further on, prevent serious issues that might keep him from working. If he can't afford insurance, then it is more likely the only medical care he will receive will be in the ER by which time there is a lot more damage to health and it's very expensive.

Healthcare is a very complex issue - I prefer to educate, prevent, and treat at early stages where possible rather than punish. Illness is punishment enough and illness isn't always a result of "bad choices".

a lot of those bad choices come from not having a doctor to tell you what to do or what is going on.

You don’t need a doctor to tell you that drinking beer and eating Burger King every day is unhealthy. It takes common sense.

 

[Coyote]

It has been systemically and deliberately eroded and dismantled - what is there is still working. Every attempt at fixing identified problems however, was shot down by the Republicans

I think the basic ideas are good and it preserves a combination of private and public, and it increased the number of insured people.

That should be good right?

The ideas that the healthy have to buy insurance to pay for the sick? Pass....

Unfortunately...it's kind of how insurance works...IF you want low premiums and pre-existing conditions covered.

How about punishing those that are fat and smoke and drink and don’t exercise instead of taking my money to pay for their poor choices?

Because I don't think people should be "punished" beyond the punishment already inflicted by their diseases. The causes of diseases like addiction and obesity are complex. I know my insurance offers a discount in premiums if you don't smoke and practice a healthy life style. I have no problem with that. But too many pre-existing conditions aren't in the person's control, and they need healthcare. Punishing them makes no sense - it won't change the condition, it will only place a greater burden on society.

I am more about prevention. If someone with Type 2 diabetes has affordable insurance then he can afford to address his condition in ways that reduce damage further on, prevent serious issues that might keep him from working. If he can't afford insurance, then it is more likely the only medical care he will receive will be in the ER by which time there is a lot more damage to health and it's very expensive.

Healthcare is a very complex issue - I prefer to educate, prevent, and treat at early stages where possible rather than punish. Illness is punishment enough and illness isn't always a result of "bad choices".

I am all for being proactive vs reactive but if you’re a poor driver you pay more for insurance. I dont like exercising and going to the gym but I do because I know how important that is. I should pay less than some lazy fat ass. It works for life insurance why not for health insurance? If you got diabetes as a kid then it sucks and we should treat you but if you got it as an adult due to poor lifestyle choices then it’s on you.

Driving is a lot more black and white. It's easy to pin point an at-fault accident. It isn't so easy to pin point the cause of obesity. People can choose not to drive.

People can't choose not to get sick and when they do - they need and imo have a right to, medical care.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

1. Too many people are ingrained with private insurance.
2. Education is not free. Becoming a doctor is expensive, they want to get paid and pay off potential student loans. Working for the Gov't does not do that.
3. Private pay provides better care. Even in Europe, the wealthy go that route.
4. Most logical people (on both sides of the aisle) agree with #1 and #2 and #3.

Candidates Who Attacked Warren Over 'Medicare For All' Draw Massive Fundraising Boost

Dude "universal health care" is a broad term that does not necessarily mean doing away with all private insurance. It means, that one way or another, EVERYONE will have access to affordable insurance. Do you have a problem with that?

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

The ideas that the healthy have to buy insurance to pay for the sick? Pass....

Unfortunately...it's kind of how insurance works...IF you want low premiums and pre-existing conditions covered.

How about punishing those that are fat and smoke and drink and don’t exercise instead of taking my money to pay for their poor choices?

Because I don't think people should be "punished" beyond the punishment already inflicted by their diseases. The causes of diseases like addiction and obesity are complex. I know my insurance offers a discount in premiums if you don't smoke and practice a healthy life style. I have no problem with that. But too many pre-existing conditions aren't in the person's control, and they need healthcare. Punishing them makes no sense - it won't change the condition, it will only place a greater burden on society.

I am more about prevention. If someone with Type 2 diabetes has affordable insurance then he can afford to address his condition in ways that reduce damage further on, prevent serious issues that might keep him from working. If he can't afford insurance, then it is more likely the only medical care he will receive will be in the ER by which time there is a lot more damage to health and it's very expensive.

Healthcare is a very complex issue - I prefer to educate, prevent, and treat at early stages where possible rather than punish. Illness is punishment enough and illness isn't always a result of "bad choices".

I am all for being proactive vs reactive but if you’re a poor driver you pay more for insurance. I dont like exercising and going to the gym but I do because I know how important that is. I should pay less than some lazy fat ass. It works for life insurance why not for health insurance? If you got diabetes as a kid then it sucks and we should treat you but if you got it as an adult due to poor lifestyle choices then it’s on you.

Driving is a lot more black and white. It's easy to pin point an at-fault accident. It isn't so easy to pin point the cause of obesity. People can choose not to drive.

People can't choose not to get sick and when they do - they need and imo have a right to, medical care.

People may choose how they eat and exercise.

 

[francoHFW]

The way insurance works is that your premiums are not dependent on how healthy you are unless you enter with pre existing conditions. They are based on age, occupation and where you live. If you work at high risk occupations (logging, mining, farming) they will be higher than a paper pusher. If you live in areas with high rates of health issues like smoking and obesity, they will be higher even if you are thin and don't smoke.

Not if you work for a big corporation then everyone pays the same. I could have two kids and you could have six kids but we will pay the same. Stupid.

Actually that is the way Obamacare works also. to take care of pre-existing conditions that has to be that way.

You know I think Americans are the most difficult people possible. And suckers.... LOL. Except for good Democrats of course, socialists to be succinct. People who want Fair capitalism with a good safety net and always democratic.

Americans are also conspiracy nut jobs especially of course the dupes. of course this is a low point, just like the one in England where the right-wingers are frothing. Just the kind of thing that happens after a corrupt GOP World depression. Even if it seems when the worst effects have been averted with huge debt in the modern world. Like Obama's debt that was basically all about bailouts and unemployment and welfare for the victims....


I need a year off from this idiocy LOL. Perfect my English history, French pronunciation, Spanish language and Zen....

But it doesn't make sense. It it illogical IMO.

Every working health Care system in the world depends on giving everyone the same deal or else you lose half the people LOL adverse selection!

So just because they are wrong we should be wrong too? I agree our system is broken but I dont want to pay more so that people who make poor lifestyle choices get their dose of meds and treatment.

the main reason you pay too much is because insurance companies gouge everyone along with Hospital doctors drugmakers. What a scam. Everyone else pays about half what we do and they live longer. You are such an independent thinker you are an idiot. Perfect GOP voter LOL

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

1. Too many people are ingrained with private insurance.
2. Education is not free. Becoming a doctor is expensive, they want to get paid and pay off potential student loans. Working for the Gov't does not do that.
3. Private pay provides better care. Even in Europe, the wealthy go that route.
4. Most logical people (on both sides of the aisle) agree with #1 and #2 and #3.

Candidates Who Attacked Warren Over 'Medicare For All' Draw Massive Fundraising Boost

Dude "universal health care" is a broad term that does not necessarily mean doing away with all private insurance. It means, that one way or another, EVERYONE will have access to affordable insurance. Do you have a problem with that?

I do not but that is not what Warren, Harris and Sanders are proposing. You agree or disagree?

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Not if you work for a big corporation then everyone pays the same. I could have two kids and you could have six kids but we will pay the same. Stupid.

Actually that is the way Obamacare works also. to take care of pre-existing conditions that has to be that way.

You know I think Americans are the most difficult people possible. And suckers.... LOL. Except for good Democrats of course, socialists to be succinct. People who want Fair capitalism with a good safety net and always democratic.

Americans are also conspiracy nut jobs especially of course the dupes. of course this is a low point, just like the one in England where the right-wingers are frothing. Just the kind of thing that happens after a corrupt GOP World depression. Even if it seems when the worst effects have been averted with huge debt in the modern world. Like Obama's debt that was basically all about bailouts and unemployment and welfare for the victims....


I need a year off from this idiocy LOL. Perfect my English history, French pronunciation, Spanish language and Zen....

But it doesn't make sense. It it illogical IMO.

Every working health Care system in the world depends on giving everyone the same deal or else you lose half the people LOL adverse selection!

So just because they are wrong we should be wrong too? I agree our system is broken but I dont want to pay more so that people who make poor lifestyle choices get their dose of meds and treatment.

the main reason you pay too much is because insurance companies gouge everyone along with Hospital doctors drugmakers. What a scam. Everyone else pays about half what we do and they live longer. You are such an independent thinker you are an idiot. Perfect GOP voter LOL

I am Unenrolled. I will Happily vote for Tulsi Gabbard. I was polite but since you became an asshole here it goes. We live a little less because we are the fattest country, we drive the most miles and we have a prevalent drug culture. You need to get your head out of your fat, parasitic ass. You called me a GOP sycophant like 1000x. Does that make your uneducated ass feel better? You need to check yourself because you’re making a fool out of yourself yet again. Tell me, is Tulsi Gabbard a Republican? You waste of space, parasite.