Universal Basic Income: Biden's Best Bet?

[Orangecat]

Equal protection of the laws is about limiting Government, only right wingers never get it.

What do laws need protection from?

 

[DrLove]

Almost everyone's aware of Alaska's Permanent Fund:

"...The program began in 1976 after the discovery of oil on Alaska’s North Slope.

"The then-governor, a renegade Republican named Jay Hammond, concluded that this windfall was too good to just give to the oil companies.

"So he devised the program to share the revenue with Alaska residents...."

"OK, here’s the idea for President-elect Biden:

"Bring 20 of the Trumpiest-looking Alaskans to a press conference.

"Unveil a plan whereby every man, woman, and child gets a $1,000 check every month from the government.

"Finance it with taxes on large wealth, fossil fuels, financial transactions, and intellectual property resulting from taxpayer-funded public research.

"Invite the Alaskans to describe the joy of getting their checks: no middleman, no means tests, no government forms to fill out—just free money as everyone’s share of the American commons.

"Dare Mitch McConnell to oppose it."

A Big, Simple, Winning Issue for Biden

The "American commons" are the cultural and natural resources accessible to all members of society. In a time when the privileged few expand their vast fortunes despite a global pandemic and recession, it seems fitting to socialize the profits and privatize the losses.

Does anyone believe "Delaware Joe" will turn on his corporate benefactors?

That idea is so stupid biden probably would agree to it if he ever becomes president

IF he ever becomes president? Biden is your new president. You lost and should watch Rudy on Fox right now. He's as funny as you are!

 

[danielpalos]

Almost everyone's aware of Alaska's Permanent Fund:

"...The program began in 1976 after the discovery of oil on Alaska’s North Slope.

"The then-governor, a renegade Republican named Jay Hammond, concluded that this windfall was too good to just give to the oil companies.

"So he devised the program to share the revenue with Alaska residents...."

"OK, here’s the idea for President-elect Biden:

"Bring 20 of the Trumpiest-looking Alaskans to a press conference.

"Unveil a plan whereby every man, woman, and child gets a $1,000 check every month from the government.

"Finance it with taxes on large wealth, fossil fuels, financial transactions, and intellectual property resulting from taxpayer-funded public research.

"Invite the Alaskans to describe the joy of getting their checks: no middleman, no means tests, no government forms to fill out—just free money as everyone’s share of the American commons.

"Dare Mitch McConnell to oppose it."

A Big, Simple, Winning Issue for Biden

The "American commons" are the cultural and natural resources accessible to all members of society. In a time when the privileged few expand their vast fortunes despite a global pandemic and recession, it seems fitting to socialize the profits and privatize the losses.

Does anyone believe "Delaware Joe" will turn on his corporate benefactors?

328 million Americans * $1,000/month = $328 billion/month.
$328 billion/month * 12 months = $3.9 trillion/year.

Fun times indeed. Where is the almost $4 trillion going to come from, Bill Gates?

That's McConnell's response that kills the whole thing.

Moscow Mitch wouldn't do it if it was $.05 a year.

He's scum who cares nothing for Americans.

Irrelevant. It's a stupid idea.

What's irrelevant about the senate majority leader not caring about the people he's supposed to be working for?

its not his job to take care or provide for the people,,

That government is, or ought to be, instituted for the common benefit, protection, and security of the people,
nation, or community; of all the various modes and forms of government, that is best which is capable of producing
the greatest degree of happiness and safety, and is most effectually secured against the danger of maladministration;
and, whenever any government shall be found inadequate or contrary to these purposes, a majority of the community
hath an indubitable, inalienable, and indefeasible right to reform, alter, or abolish it, in such manner as shall be
judged most conducive to the public weal.--Virginia State Constitution

Talk about a retarded slave, has to have the government give him shit so he can be happy, instead of him developing skills or knowledge that makes him desirable in the workforce where companies can pay him 10s of thousands of dollars, in his own pursuit of happiness, with some overbearing government trying to hold him back...

Socialism is merely about equality and in our case, about equal protection of the laws even under our form of Capitalism.

“The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal their bread.”

― Anatole France

You agreed that means testing is acceptable in equal protection under the law, so stop acting like you're getting a raw deal because you can't get UC. There is a certain set of circumstances that allow you to collect it, and just wanting it is not included.

You miss the point or special plead by ignoring the point, like usual. Equal protection of the law is not means testing.

Exactly, so you don't get UC because you don't qualify for it.

Employment is at the will of either party. Equal protection means just that. Employers do not have to hire me even in Right to Work States.

 

[Mac-7]

IF he ever becomes president? Biden is your new president.

Wrong

 

[Orangecat]

he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed

How exactly shall he "take Care"?

 

[hadit]

Not gonna happen. Ds will more than likely lose the house in 2022. Nothing's going through the senate.

Biden could solve simple poverty by executive order in our at-will employment States.

No, he could not. If you think so, say how and cite the law that gives him the authority.

Yes, he could. You are simply Wrong even though you are on the Right Wing, like usual.

he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed

I said say how he could do it. Exactly what can he do? And I also said to cite the law that gives him the authority. You didn't do either of those.

 

[danielpalos]

Almost everyone's aware of Alaska's Permanent Fund:

"...The program began in 1976 after the discovery of oil on Alaska’s North Slope.

"The then-governor, a renegade Republican named Jay Hammond, concluded that this windfall was too good to just give to the oil companies.

"So he devised the program to share the revenue with Alaska residents...."

"OK, here’s the idea for President-elect Biden:

"Bring 20 of the Trumpiest-looking Alaskans to a press conference.

"Unveil a plan whereby every man, woman, and child gets a $1,000 check every month from the government.

"Finance it with taxes on large wealth, fossil fuels, financial transactions, and intellectual property resulting from taxpayer-funded public research.

"Invite the Alaskans to describe the joy of getting their checks: no middleman, no means tests, no government forms to fill out—just free money as everyone’s share of the American commons.

"Dare Mitch McConnell to oppose it."

A Big, Simple, Winning Issue for Biden

The "American commons" are the cultural and natural resources accessible to all members of society. In a time when the privileged few expand their vast fortunes despite a global pandemic and recession, it seems fitting to socialize the profits and privatize the losses.

Does anyone believe "Delaware Joe" will turn on his corporate benefactors?

328 million Americans * $1,000/month = $328 billion/month.
$328 billion/month * 12 months = $3.9 trillion/year.

Fun times indeed. Where is the almost $4 trillion going to come from, Bill Gates?

That's McConnell's response that kills the whole thing.

Moscow Mitch wouldn't do it if it was $.05 a year.

He's scum who cares nothing for Americans.

Irrelevant. It's a stupid idea.

What's irrelevant about the senate majority leader not caring about the people he's supposed to be working for?

its not his job to take care or provide for the people,,

That government is, or ought to be, instituted for the common benefit, protection, and security of the people,
nation, or community; of all the various modes and forms of government, that is best which is capable of producing
the greatest degree of happiness and safety, and is most effectually secured against the danger of maladministration;
and, whenever any government shall be found inadequate or contrary to these purposes, a majority of the community
hath an indubitable, inalienable, and indefeasible right to reform, alter, or abolish it, in such manner as shall be
judged most conducive to the public weal.--Virginia State Constitution

And a state government is free to set itself up that way. The federal government is supposed to ensure free commerce and travel between states as well as the common defense. It is not supposed to oversee every individual's retirement accounts.

Equal protection of the laws is also in our federal Constitution.

Who is not getting equal protection under that law? Be specific.

Anyone being required to have a work ethic. We have a First Amendment and equal protection of the laws is expressly declared in our federal and State Constitutions.

 

[Orangecat]

Biden is your new president.

When was he sworn in?

 

[danielpalos]

he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed

How exactly shall he "take Care"?

By executive authority as the chief magistrate of the Union.

 

[two_iron]

Wow.... a whole $1000/mo will buy someone's vote? That's amazing. I make more than that by noon on the 1st of the month.

Plugs wants to suck us into communism where "you pretend to work and the govt pretends to pay you".

I'll watch and laugh from somewhere else.

Somewhere like this:

 

[danielpalos]

Not gonna happen. Ds will more than likely lose the house in 2022. Nothing's going through the senate.

Biden could solve simple poverty by executive order in our at-will employment States.

No, he could not. If you think so, say how and cite the law that gives him the authority.

Yes, he could. You are simply Wrong even though you are on the Right Wing, like usual.

he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed

I said say how he could do it. Exactly what can he do? And I also said to cite the law that gives him the authority. You didn't do either of those.

Yes, I answered your question. You simply don't understand the concept or how to ask better questions for clarification.

 

[22lcidw]

Equal protection of the law for unemployment compensation in our at-will employment States could be accomplished by executive order.

Automatic stabilization of our economy now!

How can we have unused productive capacity and mass unemployment at the same time?

What Is the Output Gap? - Back to Basics - Finance & Development, September 2013

"The output gap is an economic measure of the difference between the actual output of an economy and its potential output.

"Potential output is the maximum amount of goods and services an economy can turn out when it is most efficient—that is, at full capacity.

"Often, potential output is referred to as the production capacity of the economy."

We don't or should not have have a supply problem with supply side economics; we only have a demand problem, which solving for simple poverty can solve.

So that would be 1000 dollars times 12 time 350 million a year. That equals 4 trillion and 200 billion dollars a year. So all those tax increases that is proposed. What would the lower classes be on the hook for? That may destabilize the economy. The increases in prices of everything may be very high inflation to hyper inflation. I am not an economist though.

 

[hadit]

Almost everyone's aware of Alaska's Permanent Fund:

"...The program began in 1976 after the discovery of oil on Alaska’s North Slope.

"The then-governor, a renegade Republican named Jay Hammond, concluded that this windfall was too good to just give to the oil companies.

"So he devised the program to share the revenue with Alaska residents...."

"OK, here’s the idea for President-elect Biden:

"Bring 20 of the Trumpiest-looking Alaskans to a press conference.

"Unveil a plan whereby every man, woman, and child gets a $1,000 check every month from the government.

"Finance it with taxes on large wealth, fossil fuels, financial transactions, and intellectual property resulting from taxpayer-funded public research.

"Invite the Alaskans to describe the joy of getting their checks: no middleman, no means tests, no government forms to fill out—just free money as everyone’s share of the American commons.

"Dare Mitch McConnell to oppose it."

A Big, Simple, Winning Issue for Biden

The "American commons" are the cultural and natural resources accessible to all members of society. In a time when the privileged few expand their vast fortunes despite a global pandemic and recession, it seems fitting to socialize the profits and privatize the losses.

Does anyone believe "Delaware Joe" will turn on his corporate benefactors?

328 million Americans * $1,000/month = $328 billion/month.
$328 billion/month * 12 months = $3.9 trillion/year.

Fun times indeed. Where is the almost $4 trillion going to come from, Bill Gates?

That's McConnell's response that kills the whole thing.

Moscow Mitch wouldn't do it if it was $.05 a year.

He's scum who cares nothing for Americans.

Irrelevant. It's a stupid idea.

What's irrelevant about the senate majority leader not caring about the people he's supposed to be working for?

its not his job to take care or provide for the people,,

That government is, or ought to be, instituted for the common benefit, protection, and security of the people,
nation, or community; of all the various modes and forms of government, that is best which is capable of producing
the greatest degree of happiness and safety, and is most effectually secured against the danger of maladministration;
and, whenever any government shall be found inadequate or contrary to these purposes, a majority of the community
hath an indubitable, inalienable, and indefeasible right to reform, alter, or abolish it, in such manner as shall be
judged most conducive to the public weal.--Virginia State Constitution

Talk about a retarded slave, has to have the government give him shit so he can be happy, instead of him developing skills or knowledge that makes him desirable in the workforce where companies can pay him 10s of thousands of dollars, in his own pursuit of happiness, with some overbearing government trying to hold him back...

Socialism is merely about equality and in our case, about equal protection of the laws even under our form of Capitalism.

“The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal their bread.”

― Anatole France

You agreed that means testing is acceptable in equal protection under the law, so stop acting like you're getting a raw deal because you can't get UC. There is a certain set of circumstances that allow you to collect it, and just wanting it is not included.

You miss the point or special plead by ignoring the point, like usual. Equal protection of the law is not means testing.

Exactly, so you don't get UC because you don't qualify for it.

Employment is at the will of either party. Equal protection means just that. Employers do not have to hire me even in Right to Work States.

Which is irrelevant to collecting UC. UC is specific to a certain set of circumstances, that's it. If you want to expand UC to be something it is not and never was intended to be on the grounds of unequal protection under the law, I should be able to collect food stamps and save a lot on groceries.

UC IS NOT WELFARE!!! You have to qualify to get welfare, and you have to qualify to get UC. What you want is to be paid simply for existing, and that's not happening.

 

[danielpalos]

Wow.... a whole $1000/mo will buy someone's vote? That's amazing. I make more than that by noon on the 1st of the month.

Plugs wants to suck us into communism where "you pretend to work and the govt pretends to pay you".

I'll watch and laugh from somewhere else.

Somewhere like this:

Equal protection of the law is all the socialism we need on this issue.

 

[Orangecat]

Employment is at the will of either party.

How so?

Employers do not have to hire me even in Right to Work States.

Of course they don't. Employers are not required to hire anyone, much less whiny dickbags like yourself.

 

[JGalt]

Almost everyone's aware of Alaska's Permanent Fund:

"...The program began in 1976 after the discovery of oil on Alaska’s North Slope.

"The then-governor, a renegade Republican named Jay Hammond, concluded that this windfall was too good to just give to the oil companies.

"So he devised the program to share the revenue with Alaska residents...."

"OK, here’s the idea for President-elect Biden:

"Bring 20 of the Trumpiest-looking Alaskans to a press conference.

"Unveil a plan whereby every man, woman, and child gets a $1,000 check every month from the government.

"Finance it with taxes on large wealth, fossil fuels, financial transactions, and intellectual property resulting from taxpayer-funded public research.

"Invite the Alaskans to describe the joy of getting their checks: no middleman, no means tests, no government forms to fill out—just free money as everyone’s share of the American commons.

"Dare Mitch McConnell to oppose it."

A Big, Simple, Winning Issue for Biden

The "American commons" are the cultural and natural resources accessible to all members of society. In a time when the privileged few expand their vast fortunes despite a global pandemic and recession, it seems fitting to socialize the profits and privatize the losses.

Does anyone believe "Delaware Joe" will turn on his corporate benefactors?

So does every state have the oil Alaska has, in order to pay for that? Paying you $20 to rake my leaves and then paying five other kids $20 to stand around and watch, sounds like a pretty stupid idea to me.

 

[danielpalos]

Equal protection of the law for unemployment compensation in our at-will employment States could be accomplished by executive order.

Automatic stabilization of our economy now!

How can we have unused productive capacity and mass unemployment at the same time?

What Is the Output Gap? - Back to Basics - Finance & Development, September 2013

"The output gap is an economic measure of the difference between the actual output of an economy and its potential output.

"Potential output is the maximum amount of goods and services an economy can turn out when it is most efficient—that is, at full capacity.

"Often, potential output is referred to as the production capacity of the economy."

We don't or should not have have a supply problem with supply side economics; we only have a demand problem, which solving for simple poverty can solve.

So that would be 1000 dollars times 12 time 350 million a year. That equals 4 trillion and 200 billion dollars a year. So all those tax increases that is proposed. What would the lower classes be on the hook for? That may destabilize the economy. The increases in prices of everything may be very high inflation to hyper inflation. I am not an economist though.

The Poor can pay their share of the tax burden; more people paying taxes means less proportion for everyone.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Not gonna happen. Ds will more than likely lose the house in 2022. Nothing's going through the senate.

Biden could solve simple poverty by executive order in our at-will employment States.

No, he could not. If you think so, say how and cite the law that gives him the authority.

Yes, he could. You are simply Wrong even though you are on the Right Wing, like usual.

he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed

I said say how he could do it. Exactly what can he do? And I also said to cite the law that gives him the authority. You didn't do either of those.

Yes, I answered your question. You simply don't understand the concept or how to ask better questions for clarification.

No you didn't.

 

[hadit]

Not gonna happen. Ds will more than likely lose the house in 2022. Nothing's going through the senate.

Biden could solve simple poverty by executive order in our at-will employment States.

No, he could not. If you think so, say how and cite the law that gives him the authority.

Yes, he could. You are simply Wrong even though you are on the Right Wing, like usual.

he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed

I said say how he could do it. Exactly what can he do? And I also said to cite the law that gives him the authority. You didn't do either of those.

Yes, I answered your question. You simply don't understand the concept or how to ask better questions for clarification.

I asked very clear questions. I asked what exactly Biden can do to solve poverty, since you said he could be EO. I also asked what law gives him the authority to do it. Your only answer?

"he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed"

That's not an answer, that's yet another in a long line of dodges by you. I'll be even more clear and join another poster in asking you to specify the language of the EO. What will it say? And while you're at it, cite the law that gives him the authority.

 

[danielpalos]

Equal protection of the law for unemployment compensation in our at-will employment States could be accomplished by executive order.

Automatic stabilization of our economy now!

How can we have unused productive capacity and mass unemployment at the same time?

What Is the Output Gap? - Back to Basics - Finance & Development, September 2013

"The output gap is an economic measure of the difference between the actual output of an economy and its potential output.

"Potential output is the maximum amount of goods and services an economy can turn out when it is most efficient—that is, at full capacity.

"Often, potential output is referred to as the production capacity of the economy."

We don't or should not have have a supply problem with supply side economics; we only have a demand problem, which solving for simple poverty can solve.

So that would be 1000 dollars times 12 time 350 million a year. That equals 4 trillion and 200 billion dollars a year. So all those tax increases that is proposed. What would the lower classes be on the hook for? That may destabilize the economy. The increases in prices of everything may be very high inflation to hyper inflation. I am not an economist though.

Inflation should not be a problem with supply side economics. That is why we need to increase the minimum wage so capitalists can automate for their bottom line.