Universal background checks... really?

[M14 Shooter]

Ahh yet somehow a guy in the video was able to go to a gun show and buy a gun from a seller (aka dealer)....

Why do you continue to lie to yourself?

 

[M14 Shooter]

Seller...dealer....merchant....all mean the same thing. Sorry to confuse you with facts

There;s no fact at all in your statement.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

A trained monkey above the age of 21 can have a table at a gun show without a FFL license. In order to be a Dealer, you must have a FFL License. Otherwise, you are nothing but a trained monkey with a table selling guns at a gun show.

Aka a gun dealer

A private individual at a gun show is a vendor and a private seller.

A dealer holds an FFL.

An individual is allowed to sell their private firearms. If the BATFE observes you at the shows continually and you are dealing, or as the BATFE says, engaged in the business (because you constantly buy and sell), then you are a dealer without a license... in which case those people are on their way to being called a criminal.

It reminds me of the silly distinction you guys draw between Trump’s guys who mail bombs to people and other terrorists based on religion.

What kind of analogy is that? It don't make sense. Does Trump have people mailing bombs to people?

An effective one it seems.

You don't seem to understand too well. If zingers have to be explained, they aren't very effective.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Progressives want Background checks on all private sales. Why? Who pays for that? Paying for an right?
That is definitely unconstitutional and absolutely ridiculous.

Any type of waiting period on an right? I don’t think so, definitely unconstitutional and absolutely ridiculous.
No one should have to wait more than seconds to purchase their firearms.

Obviously universal background checks I have nothing to do with firearms… Like always... it’s always been about control.
The ******* spineless gun grabbers can pound sand... lol

Yup

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Aka a gun dealer

A private individual at a gun show is a vendor and a private seller.

A dealer holds an FFL.

An individual is allowed to sell their private firearms. If the BATFE observes you at the shows continually and you are dealing, or as the BATFE says, engaged in the business (because you constantly buy and sell), then you are a dealer without a license... in which case those people are on their way to being called a criminal.

It reminds me of the silly distinction you guys draw between Trump’s guys who mail bombs to people and other terrorists based on religion.

What kind of analogy is that? It don't make sense. Does Trump have people mailing bombs to people?

An effective one it seems.

You don't seem to understand too well. If zingers have to be explained, they aren't very effective.

Porter, he isn't even an American. He's an Aussie who threw away all rights and privileges on firearms long ago. I guess he just wants to screw it up for us Yanks as well. I just decided to clean up the gene pool and the only way I can see him is if one of you answers him.

 

[candycorn]

Aka a gun dealer

A private individual at a gun show is a vendor and a private seller.

A dealer holds an FFL.

An individual is allowed to sell their private firearms. If the BATFE observes you at the shows continually and you are dealing, or as the BATFE says, engaged in the business (because you constantly buy and sell), then you are a dealer without a license... in which case those people are on their way to being called a criminal.

It reminds me of the silly distinction you guys draw between Trump’s guys who mail bombs to people and other terrorists based on religion.

What kind of analogy is that? It don't make sense. Does Trump have people mailing bombs to people?

An effective one it seems.

You don't seem to understand too well. If zingers have to be explained, they aren't very effective.

Yet here you are playing defense...quite poorly

 

[candycorn]

Seller...dealer....merchant....all mean the same thing. Sorry to confuse you with facts

There;s no fact at all in your statement.

Gun nuts seem to not have access to a thesaurus

 

[candycorn]

A private individual at a gun show is a vendor and a private seller.

A dealer holds an FFL.

An individual is allowed to sell their private firearms. If the BATFE observes you at the shows continually and you are dealing, or as the BATFE says, engaged in the business (because you constantly buy and sell), then you are a dealer without a license... in which case those people are on their way to being called a criminal.

It reminds me of the silly distinction you guys draw between Trump’s guys who mail bombs to people and other terrorists based on religion.

What kind of analogy is that? It don't make sense. Does Trump have people mailing bombs to people?

An effective one it seems.

You don't seem to understand too well. If zingers have to be explained, they aren't very effective.

Porter, he isn't even an American. He's an Aussie who threw away all rights and privileges on firearms long ago. I guess he just wants to screw it up for us Yanks as well. I just decided to clean up the gene pool and the only way I can see him is if one of you answers him.

That’s a new one

 

[Rigby5]

You think Findlaw is propaganda? You think having a table at a gun show makes you a dealer?

You're ignorance is too grand for me to take you seriously. And as for your conspiracy theory fantasy about the Twin Towers, that's just pathetic. You have nothing further to offer to this discussion.

Having a table at a gun show does make you a dealer. No difference at all.

A trained monkey above the age of 21 can have a table at a gun show without a FFL license. In order to be a Dealer, you must have a FFL License. Otherwise, you are nothing but a trained monkey with a table selling guns at a gun show.

Aka a gun dealer

I have not been to a gun show in 20 years that allowed anyone to sell a gun without a background check.
It is not that it is required by law if you are not a licensed dealer, but all gun show demand it as a requirement for getting a table.

Ahh yet somehow a guy in the video was able to go to a gun show and buy a gun from a seller (aka dealer) no questions asked.

I don't believe it.
I go to all the local gun show in what ever city and state I get sent to, and not in the last 20 years have I ever seen someone sell a gun without a background check, unless it was broken and just for parts.
The closest to an exception is the guy walking around with a gun that has a for sale sign on it.
He is not part of the gun show, and while he is not required to do a background check since he is not renting a table, he also is not a dealer, but just selling a single personal possession.

 

[Rigby5]

Seller...dealer....merchant....all mean the same thing. Sorry to confuse you with facts

There;s no fact at all in your statement.

Gun nuts seem to not have access to a thesaurus

A seller is someone with something for sale, but it could be an elderly widow liquidating the estate inherited from her husband, and she could be selling at a loss.
That is not a business, and means she is not a dealer or merchant.
A dealer or merchant is someone who does it all the time, for income, and should then be able to afford the license.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

A private individual at a gun show is a vendor and a private seller.

A dealer holds an FFL.

An individual is allowed to sell their private firearms. If the BATFE observes you at the shows continually and you are dealing, or as the BATFE says, engaged in the business (because you constantly buy and sell), then you are a dealer without a license... in which case those people are on their way to being called a criminal.

It reminds me of the silly distinction you guys draw between Trump’s guys who mail bombs to people and other terrorists based on religion.

What kind of analogy is that? It don't make sense. Does Trump have people mailing bombs to people?

An effective one it seems.

You don't seem to understand too well. If zingers have to be explained, they aren't very effective.

Yet here you are playing defense...quite poorly

Are we even in the same conversation? If you make an analogy that has no relationship to whatever point you're trying to make, you haven't said anything I need to defend against. Try this for an analogy:

Pro gun lobby - Universal background checks don't stop crime
You - Well, at least the left isn't mailing bombs

There is no analogy to be made.

 

[candycorn]

Having a table at a gun show does make you a dealer. No difference at all.

A trained monkey above the age of 21 can have a table at a gun show without a FFL license. In order to be a Dealer, you must have a FFL License. Otherwise, you are nothing but a trained monkey with a table selling guns at a gun show.

Aka a gun dealer

I have not been to a gun show in 20 years that allowed anyone to sell a gun without a background check.
It is not that it is required by law if you are not a licensed dealer, but all gun show demand it as a requirement for getting a table.

Ahh yet somehow a guy in the video was able to go to a gun show and buy a gun from a seller (aka dealer) no questions asked.

I don't believe it.
I go to all the local gun show in what ever city and state I get sent to, and not in the last 20 years have I ever seen someone sell a gun without a background check, unless it was broken and just for parts.
The closest to an exception is the guy walking around with a gun that has a for sale sign on it.
He is not part of the gun show, and while he is not required to do a background check since he is not renting a table, he also is not a dealer, but just selling a single personal possession.

Another example of why more regulation is needed

 

[candycorn]

Seller...dealer....merchant....all mean the same thing. Sorry to confuse you with facts

There;s no fact at all in your statement.

Gun nuts seem to not have access to a thesaurus

A seller is someone with something for sale, but it could be an elderly widow liquidating the estate inherited from her husband, and she could be selling at a loss.
That is not a business, and means she is not a dealer or merchant.
A dealer or merchant is someone who does it all the time, for income, and should then be able to afford the license.

Distinction with zero difference

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

A Colorado woman confronted Democratic presidential candidate Beto O'Rourke Thursday on his controversial proposal to go after high-powered weapons through a mandatory buyback program.

"I am here to say: Hell, no, you’re not," Lauren Boebert told O'Rourke, passionately defending her rights under the Second Amendment.

"I have four children, I am 5-foot-0, 100 pounds, I cannot really defend myself with a fist. ... I want to know how you're going to legislate that because a criminal breaks the law, so all you're going to do is restrict law-abiding citizens, like myself."

Woman confronts Beto on gun confiscation at town hall: 'I'm here to say, hell no you're not'

A WOMAN ????
God bless this courageous woman. She is totally different than 99.999% of other so called "Patriots"
Why?

Because SHE actually DID something ....she drove 3 miles to confront O'rourke
And this is how the 2nd Amendment and the Constitution will be toppled.
Americans are NOT willing to make ANY sacrifices. The perfect recipe for tyranny.

"All that is required for evil men to prevail is for "good men" to do nothing."

 

[candycorn]

It reminds me of the silly distinction you guys draw between Trump’s guys who mail bombs to people and other terrorists based on religion.

What kind of analogy is that? It don't make sense. Does Trump have people mailing bombs to people?

An effective one it seems.

You don't seem to understand too well. If zingers have to be explained, they aren't very effective.

Yet here you are playing defense...quite poorly

Are we even in the same conversation? If you make an analogy that has no relationship to whatever point you're trying to make, you haven't said anything I need to defend against. Try this for an analogy:

Pro gun lobby - Universal background checks don't stop crime
You - Well, at least the left isn't mailing bombs

There is no analogy to be made.

The analogy was the way you guys are characterizing the same transaction happening at different tables in the same bldg. it’s cute.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

I don't believe it.
I go to all the local gun show in what ever city and state I get sent to, and not in the last 20 years have I ever seen someone sell a gun without a background check, unless it was broken and just for parts..

So in that same 20 years that you've gone to countless gun shows, have you ever once participated in or started a rally to defend your 2nd Amendment rights ?
What have you ever done to proactively fight back against O'Rourke and the wave of gun grabbers?

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

Distinction with zero difference

Australia is becoming quite violent. Gun murders on the rise.
Americans don't give up their rights to defend themselves like Aussie Puzzies did.

When China invades you....try throwing rocks at them.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Having a table at a gun show does make you a dealer. No difference at all.

A trained monkey above the age of 21 can have a table at a gun show without a FFL license. In order to be a Dealer, you must have a FFL License. Otherwise, you are nothing but a trained monkey with a table selling guns at a gun show.

Aka a gun dealer

I have not been to a gun show in 20 years that allowed anyone to sell a gun without a background check.
It is not that it is required by law if you are not a licensed dealer, but all gun show demand it as a requirement for getting a table.

Ahh yet somehow a guy in the video was able to go to a gun show and buy a gun from a seller (aka dealer) no questions asked.

I don't believe it.
I go to all the local gun show in what ever city and state I get sent to, and not in the last 20 years have I ever seen someone sell a gun without a background check, unless it was broken and just for parts.
The closest to an exception is the guy walking around with a gun that has a for sale sign on it.
He is not part of the gun show, and while he is not required to do a background check since he is not renting a table, he also is not a dealer, but just selling a single personal possession.

Can I say something and then switch gears?

All of us with any common sense realize that a gun dealer, according to the BATFE, is someone who is engaged in the business of selling weapons. According to the BATFE:

"Under federal law, a person engaged in the business of dealing in firearms is a person who “devotes time, attention and labor to dealing in firearms as a regular course of trade or business with the principal objective of livelihood and profit through the repetitive purchase and resale of firearms.”

https://www.atf.gov/file/100871/download

IF your motive is to make a profit as described above, then you are a dealer. If, however, you are a dealer and you do not have an FFL, you are committing a crime. So yeah, you can set up at a gun show and go through all the right "legal" motions, but if you are a dealer and you don't have a license, you are committing a felony. I've set up at gun shows - once to sell off some guns after my wife left and I was stuck having to raise money to pay property taxes after she raided the bank account on here way out of town. The other times I'd sell off a couple of guns in order to buy a more expensive one or maybe optics. So, I was not a dealer because I'm not trying to make a profit. I was a vendor. If someone wants to cop to being an unlicensed dealer, they are admitting to a felony.

Switching gears, yesterday some man ran into a synagogue with what the newscaster called an "AR style rifle." He killed a receptionist and wounded a rabbi. The newscaster also reported that he did so with a "legally purchased firearm." IF that man had gotten the weapon under any circumstance other than with a background check, that would have been the entire broadcast. ABC will use the whole half hour of news reporting to sell the background check idea, but they simply told this news story and quickly went to the next news story.

The main takeaway here is, if you take the time to check, virtually all mass shootings (and this one was intended to be a mass shooting) are committed with legally purchased weapons. That means the buyer did the background check thing. BACKGROUND CHECKS DO NOT WORK. The left doesn't give a rat's ass about saving lives. The left only cares about one thing and one thing only: CONTROL. If the left wanted to prove anything related to this issue they would have an important statistic, but that statistic does not exist. Virtually all mass shooters (as well a most other shootings) are done with weapons purchased from FFL dealers and involved going through the process.

This constant argument is silly and stupid. Background checks are ineffective and I think if you are pro-gun, your time would be better spent focusing on WHY people are committing those crimes, deal with those (and we know who they are before they act) so as to reduce the instances of gun violence and dismantle the left's argument. For pro gun posters, your time would have been more effectively spent calling and writing your congresscritters and getting my proposals on the table. If you put a counter-proposal on the table, the left will quit calling for measures that are aimed at taking your weapons. They will have to use their resources to fight proposals that will deal with the real problem. The real problem is that Socialists, National Socialists, and Communists want control. If you are not supporting my ideas and contacting your congresscritters, you're merely wasting time.

 

[Rigby5]

A trained monkey above the age of 21 can have a table at a gun show without a FFL license. In order to be a Dealer, you must have a FFL License. Otherwise, you are nothing but a trained monkey with a table selling guns at a gun show.

Aka a gun dealer

I have not been to a gun show in 20 years that allowed anyone to sell a gun without a background check.
It is not that it is required by law if you are not a licensed dealer, but all gun show demand it as a requirement for getting a table.

Ahh yet somehow a guy in the video was able to go to a gun show and buy a gun from a seller (aka dealer) no questions asked.

I don't believe it.
I go to all the local gun show in what ever city and state I get sent to, and not in the last 20 years have I ever seen someone sell a gun without a background check, unless it was broken and just for parts.
The closest to an exception is the guy walking around with a gun that has a for sale sign on it.
He is not part of the gun show, and while he is not required to do a background check since he is not renting a table, he also is not a dealer, but just selling a single personal possession.

Another example of why more regulation is needed

How is that an example of why more regulation is needed?
If a person has inherited an old relic he wants to get rid of, why should he have to spend $300 to get a license to sell it?
That makes no sense.
The government is not authorized to require that, anywhere in the Constitution.
That would be like you deciding to sell your old car, and the state requiring you to get a dealer's license to be able to do that.
That which you legally own, you can legally sell as you wish, and there is nothing government can do about it.
If the person is not supposed to legally own what you are selling, that is not supposed to be your fault or concern.
If they want all gun sales to have background checks, then all they have to do is allow everyone to do a background check.
But they don't.
They only allow dealers to do background checks.
So it is entirely the fault of the government, and wrong to blame anyone else.

 

[Rigby5]

Seller...dealer....merchant....all mean the same thing. Sorry to confuse you with facts

There;s no fact at all in your statement.

Gun nuts seem to not have access to a thesaurus

A seller is someone with something for sale, but it could be an elderly widow liquidating the estate inherited from her husband, and she could be selling at a loss.
That is not a business, and means she is not a dealer or merchant.
A dealer or merchant is someone who does it all the time, for income, and should then be able to afford the license.

Distinction with zero difference

Huge difference.
A dealer or merchant is making a 50% markup and likely doing tens of thousands of dollars worth of sales a year, so can easily afford a $300 license.
But someone selling a family relic at a loss likely can not.
It would be illegal to then force them to spend more on the license to sell than they would make on the sale.