Universal background checks... really?

[bigrebnc1775]

There absolutely is a gun show loop hole and the most recent mass shooter USED it to buy his assault rifle

The only thing stopping Universal Back Ground checks is Moscow Mitch

No there isn't. What is a gun show loop hole?

 

[Lesh]

The "gun show loop hole" refers to the ability for non licensed (private) gun sales that do not require a back ground check.

Currently 20% of gun sales are private and do not require that check.

Keep up

 

[SweetTea]

The "gun show loop hole" refers to the ability for non licensed (private) gun sales that do not require a back ground check.

Currently 20% of gun sales are private and do not require that check.

Keep up

There is a reason only 13 states have universal backgroud checks. It essentially creates a gun registry. It is bad enough that FFL dealers must keep their 4473's for 20 years and turn them over to ATF if they go out of business, which is very likely within a 20 year time span.

I am ok with universal background checks if we remove the 4473 requirement. A check is done at the time of purchase to make sure you should be able to purchase a gun. If you pass, the gun is sold and that is it. End of story. No records kept that shows x person purchased x gun.

The saving grace now is that most FFL dealers are ardent 2nd Ammendment supporters and aren't real keen in turning over their 4473's to ATF. In my state, if you have a concealed weapons permit,a 4473 is still filled out, but no call is made to ATF.

 

[SweetTea]

The "gun show loop hole" refers to the ability for non licensed (private) gun sales that do not require a back ground check.

Currently 20% of gun sales are private and do not require that check.

Keep up

There is a reason only 13 states have universal backgroud checks. It essentially creates a gun registry. It is bad enough that FFL dealers must keep their 4473's for 20 years and turn them over to ATF if they go out of business, which is very likely within a 20 year time span.

I am ok with universal background checks if we remove the 4473 requirement. A check is done at the time of purchase to make sure you should be able to purchase a gun. If you pass, the gun is sold and that is it. End of story. No records kept that shows x person purchased x gun.

The saving grace now is that most FFL dealers are ardent 2nd Ammendment supporters and aren't real keen in turning over their 4473's to ATF. In my state, if you have a concealed weapons permit,a 4473 is still filled out, but no call is made to ATF.

Replying to my own post...On second thought, I am not ok with the check. It is not the business of the government to know that I purchased a gun PERIOD. By calling ATF, there is a record that I was attempting to purchase a firearm. If approved, they could make the logical assumption that I have one. They do this now in the case of those without a concealed weapons permit and I think that is an overreach.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

The "gun show loop hole" refers to the ability for non licensed (private) gun sales that do not require a back ground check.

Currently 20% of gun sales are private and do not require that check.

Keep up

That is what normal people call private sells and if you knowingly sell a gun to someone who can not buy one legally that would be a felony. There is no way no law corrupt scheme that can regulate Private sales of firearms.

 

[M14 Shooter]

nothing spells tyrannical like a useless law.

If it prevents one bloodbath and kids who are scarred for life even if they’re not hit…well worth the 20 minutes of inconvenience to sell a weapon.

Oh but wait…you have to be human to realize this. Disregard

Lol
Background checks will not prevent anything....

Sure they do.
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Which is why its a good idea to strengthen them.

FYI we already have background checks how many times does this have to be said?

Its like saying you have a roof over your living room so the other houses don’t need a roof. The background checks need to be expanded to close the gun show loophole.

Why do you people keep lying about the "gun show loophole"?
it is impossible to legally avoid the background checks specified by federal law - thus, there is no loophole in that law.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Fair points….I’d like to see the 1.8 million investigated and arrested myself. It doesn’t exclude the fact that the background checks did prevent 1.8 million people who shouldn’t have guns from getting them. We need to expand that to the parking lots.

How, exactly, do you think this expansion of background checks into the parking lots can be enforced?

You can’t buy beer for a kid who isn’t your child. It too is your property but you can’t do it. Just further illustrating that there are limits on your rights.

Rights are limited when they harm others or place then in a condition of clear , present and immediate danger -- how does a private sale of a firearm do this?

 

[M14 Shooter]

There absolutely is a gun show loop hole....

This is a lie, as you know it is impossible to legally avoid the background checks required by federal law.

and the most recent mass shooter USED it to buy his assault rifle

This is also a lie, as you know he did not use an assault rifle.
Further , as the person who sold him the gun manufactured it illegally, there's no reason whatsoever to believe a requirement for a background check in private sale would have prevented him from getting the gun.
Gun Used in Texas Shooting Was Illegally Manufactured and Sold: Report | National Review

The only thing stopping Universal Back Ground checks is Moscow Mitch

Except for common sense, sure.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Progressives want Background checks on all private sales. Why? Who pays for that? Paying for an right?
That is definitely unconstitutional and absolutely ridiculous.

Any type of waiting period on an right? I don’t think so, definitely unconstitutional and absolutely ridiculous.
No one should have to wait more than seconds to purchase their firearms.

Obviously universal background checks I have nothing to do with firearms… Like always... it’s always been about control.
The ******* spineless gun grabbers can pound sand... lol

Background checks are patently unconstitutional by any metric. You have to wait to exercise a constitutional Right; you don't have a presumption of innocence; there is no probable cause to conduct the search (exercising a Right should NEVER be probable cause) AND such checks cannot be enforced without National Gun Registration.

If someone done something that justifies denying them their constitutional Rights, what in the Hell are they doing running amok on our streets? If someone is dangerous, they are dangerous and need to be in jail, prison, or in a mental institution - or at least under constant supervision.

 

[candycorn]

The "gun show loop hole" refers to the ability for non licensed (private) gun sales that do not require a back ground check.

Currently 20% of gun sales are private and do not require that check.

Keep up

That’s asking a lot. Rent-a-cop doesn’t know the difference between a word and a phrase.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

The "gun show loop hole" refers to the ability for non licensed (private) gun sales that do not require a back ground check.

Currently 20% of gun sales are private and do not require that check.

Keep up

That’s asking a lot. Rent-a-cop doesn’t know the difference between a word and a phrase.

I'm no rent-a-cop and you're still wrong. But it's to be expected from idiots that call a semiautomatics assault weapons

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Progressives want Background checks on all private sales. Why? Who pays for that? Paying for an right?
That is definitely unconstitutional and absolutely ridiculous.

Any type of waiting period on an right? I don’t think so, definitely unconstitutional and absolutely ridiculous.
No one should have to wait more than seconds to purchase their firearms.

Obviously universal background checks I have nothing to do with firearms… Like always... it’s always been about control.
The ******* spineless gun grabbers can pound sand... lol

Background checks are patently unconstitutional by any metric. You have to wait to exercise a constitutional Right; you don't have a presumption of innocence; there is no probable cause to conduct the search (exercising a Right should NEVER be probable cause) AND such checks cannot be enforced without National Gun Registration.

If someone done something that justifies denying them their constitutional Rights, what in the Hell are they doing running amok on our streets? If someone is dangerous, they are dangerous and need to be in jail, prison, or in a mental institution - or at least under constant supervision.

Show me where in the Constitution where it's Unconstitutional. I read it and didn't see one mention of it. Does your copy have it written in Sharpie?

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Progressives want Background checks on all private sales. Why? Who pays for that? Paying for an right?
That is definitely unconstitutional and absolutely ridiculous.

Any type of waiting period on an right? I don’t think so, definitely unconstitutional and absolutely ridiculous.
No one should have to wait more than seconds to purchase their firearms.

Obviously universal background checks I have nothing to do with firearms… Like always... it’s always been about control.
The ******* spineless gun grabbers can pound sand... lol

Background checks are patently unconstitutional by any metric. You have to wait to exercise a constitutional Right; you don't have a presumption of innocence; there is no probable cause to conduct the search (exercising a Right should NEVER be probable cause) AND such checks cannot be enforced without National Gun Registration.

If someone done something that justifies denying them their constitutional Rights, what in the Hell are they doing running amok on our streets? If someone is dangerous, they are dangerous and need to be in jail, prison, or in a mental institution - or at least under constant supervision.

Show me where in the Constitution where it's Unconstitutional. I read it and didn't see one mention of it. Does your copy have it written in Sharpie?

Did you try reading the Fourth Amendment? I'm sure the word "papers" would be inclusive of computer records. Oh, that's right, your copy don't contain that Amendment. Let me get it for you:

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

It is unreasonable to search someone just because they exercise a constitutional Right. How about a background check to buy that case of beer, buy a certain book, access certain content from your ISP, join a church??? Would the search be reasonable then?

Jim Jones caused over 900 people to commit suicide so that religion you're interested in might encourage you to do likewise - or like some religions, encourage you to kill or convert people.

Books and Internet content have taught a lot of killers the tricks of the trade. Booze has caused more deaths than firearms (you know like DUI, over-indulgence leading to health problems, etc.)

Sorry about your incomplete Constitution... wait a minute. You were right along. I apologize. The illegally ratified 14th Amendment nullified the Bill of Rights that contained that pesky 4th Amendment. So we have no Rights at all. Maybe it will be books or booze; video games or churches that will require a background check for you to partake in.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Progressives want Background checks on all private sales. Why? Who pays for that? Paying for an right?
That is definitely unconstitutional and absolutely ridiculous.

Any type of waiting period on an right? I don’t think so, definitely unconstitutional and absolutely ridiculous.
No one should have to wait more than seconds to purchase their firearms.

Obviously universal background checks I have nothing to do with firearms… Like always... it’s always been about control.
The ******* spineless gun grabbers can pound sand... lol

Background checks are patently unconstitutional by any metric. You have to wait to exercise a constitutional Right; you don't have a presumption of innocence; there is no probable cause to conduct the search (exercising a Right should NEVER be probable cause) AND such checks cannot be enforced without National Gun Registration.

If someone done something that justifies denying them their constitutional Rights, what in the Hell are they doing running amok on our streets? If someone is dangerous, they are dangerous and need to be in jail, prison, or in a mental institution - or at least under constant supervision.

Show me where in the Constitution where it's Unconstitutional. I read it and didn't see one mention of it. Does your copy have it written in Sharpie?

Shall not be infringed

 

[Lesh]

If it prevents one bloodbath and kids who are scarred for life even if they’re not hit…well worth the 20 minutes of inconvenience to sell a weapon.

Oh but wait…you have to be human to realize this. Disregard

Lol
Background checks will not prevent anything....

Sure they do.
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Which is why its a good idea to strengthen them.

FYI we already have background checks how many times does this have to be said?

Its like saying you have a roof over your living room so the other houses don’t need a roof. The background checks need to be expanded to close the gun show loophole.

Why do you people keep lying about the "gun show loophole"?
it is impossible to legally avoid the background checks specified by federal law - thus, there is no loophole in that law.

Bullshit. The only sales that are mandated to have Universal Background Checks are those made through licensed dealers.

Currently 20% of gun sales are private and exempt from that check. THAT is the "gun show loop hole"

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Lol
Background checks will not prevent anything....

Sure they do.
View attachment 278027

Which is why its a good idea to strengthen them.

FYI we already have background checks how many times does this have to be said?

Its like saying you have a roof over your living room so the other houses don’t need a roof. The background checks need to be expanded to close the gun show loophole.

Why do you people keep lying about the "gun show loophole"?
it is impossible to legally avoid the background checks specified by federal law - thus, there is no loophole in that law.

Bullshit. The only sales that are mandated to have Universal Background Checks are those made through licensed dealers.

Currently 20% of gun sales are private and exempt from that check. THAT is the "gun show loop hole"

Those aren't universal background checks
Private sells there is no way in hell that they can be regulated. Do crocks have a background check when they buy their stole forearms?

 

[Lesh]

Pardon me...you're right. We currently don't have UBCs we only have mandated back ground checks on sales by Federally licensed dealers.

And mandating UBCs on all sales is no big deal. Sell a gun without one and you have broken the law and will be liable just as you would for breaking any other law.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

How in the hell is the government going enforce background checks on private sells?
What if you want to barrow a friends firearm? ACCORDING TO MY SOURCES, YOU NEED A BACKGROUND CHECK FOR THAT.

 

[Lesh]

They'd enforce that law like any other

 

[bigrebnc1775]

How? without a paper trail