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Ok...Let's get to the facts....Since you started with "once upon a time"...
At it's peak, unionization of labor in the US was about 35%. So there goes your claim of "Most private sector jobs were union"..
Go back and read my original statement.... where I put the qualifier "or enjoyed good benefits because of ....unions."
The wealthy pay MOST of the tax burden. That is the present. The facts bear that out.
Uh, no, they don't. They pay more of the income tax because right now, they control an obscene amount of the wealth, but they still have to hit working folks with other taxes and schemes to finance those big tax breaks for the wealthy.
Higher taxes on rich assholes would benefit me in many ways.
First, it means the governmetn will stop borrowing from the butchers in Beijing. Bad enough those scumwads are taking our jobs, but we have to pay them interest on our money?
Second, if we put that money into public works and public services, it would raise employment and wages across the board as companies stop paying obscene salaries to CEO's and start paying the people who do the work a decent amount.
Why would I give a crap about "international trade". We are currently bleeding 500 BILLION a year in trade deficits every year for the last 20 years or so. Now, the "anti-Trade" argument might have made sense when we were exporting manuctured goods at a high rate, but we aren't. Haven't been in a long time.
Guy, I've been working in Purchasing for 20 years, domestic and international. Trust me, free trade is as much about breaking the middle class in this country as any economic reason.
Yeah, but you know what, having worked in non-union shops, I never see the 'best worker' get ahead. I see the ass-kisser get ahead. I've seen the idiot children of the boss' friend get ahead. I've seen the gal with the nice ass and no brain get ahead. I've seen guys who are hard workers with years of experience get dumped on because they are too old, or perhaps because they ran into a medical issue that took them out for a few weeks.
Again, I've seen more people fired for bullshit than I've seen fired for "slacking", and I've seen some slackers get away with murder. Your whole premise is that bosses really know what is going on in their own shops, and it's been my experience most of them are kind of clueless.
It is you who want to burn down the neighbor's house.
Your class warfare says that. Rather than promote education and skill enhancement training for the purpose of encouraging people to increase their skill set and thus increase their income potential, you want to punish those who you believe are unfairly lifted to the top of the economic ladder. When you see a wealthy person, you do not think achievement and success. You think luck and criminal behavior.
Yeah, pretty much.
I should point out that in most unions, promotion and advancement is based on improving skill sets. For instance, in the trades, you have to move up from apprentice to journeyman learning the trade from a more experienced person.
As opposed to the Corporate model, where the idea is to create "McJobs" that can be filled cheaply and quickly...
I must ask....Given the propensity of you people on the left to use the term "working people", I want to see your definition of "working people"...
This oughta be good.
Someone who goes to a job every day, doesn't go off for half the day and play golf or drink two martini lunches or is done every day at 3 PM.
"Uh, no, they don't. They pay more of the income tax because right now, they control an obscene amount of the wealth, but they still have to hit working folks with other taxes and schemes to finance those big tax breaks for the wealthy. "
Incorrect. Link....
National Taxpayers Union - Who Pays Income Taxes?
"Higher taxes on rich assholes would benefit me in many ways.
First, it means the governmetn will stop borrowing from the butchers in Beijing. Bad enough those scumwads are taking our jobs, but we have to pay them interest on our money?
Second, if we put that money into public works and public services, it would raise employment and wages across the board as companies stop paying obscene salaries to CEO's and start paying the people who do the work a decent amount. "
Umm foreign countries BUY our debt as investment. The notion that we "borrow" from other countries is a liberal lie. Why do you refer to people in China as "butchers"...Looks like anti Asian racism on your part.
The Chinese nor any one else are "taking OUR jobs"...First, the jobs belong to the employer. Not the worker. Here's an example of the typical liberal frothing at the mouth over John Deere. I have read this accusation that John Deere has "moved operations to China"..Bullshit. John Deere has 60 plants...ONE is in China. The other 59 are right here in the US and Canada. Most of "offshored" jobs are entry level or low level light data entry or call center employment. Many of those centers were built to allow companies to offer customer service 24 hours per day.
The federal government already collects trillions of dollars from the US taxpayer. Te problem is not revenue, it is ridiculous spending on garbage and the fact that there are FAR TOO MANY federal employees.
What private companies do with their revenue is nobody's God damned business.
It also non of anyone's business the earnings of another individual...Unless of course they work for the public sector or a publicly traded company. In the case of publicly traded firms, only the stock holders have a vested interest in pay. SO if you want a say, purchase a stake. Otherwise, mind your own business.
BTW, wealth does not exist in a vacuum. There is NO zero sum game. Wealth does not exist in a stagnant state. Wealth is created.
Welcome to Global trade. It is a reality that is not going away. We must continue our trend of de emphasizing high numbers of people needed to create goods. We do that with modernization of plants. We do that with requiring employees to be educated people with advanced training in computers and skilled labor that is able to do EVERY job in the plant. The days of "that's not my job" are OVER. No more protecting the guy that can do juts one job. Manufacturing of the future requires all employees to be highly skilled in all operations.
"Guy, I've been working in Purchasing for 20 years, domestic and international. Trust me, free trade is as much about breaking the middle class in this country as any economic reason. "..
I have opposed "free trade" since NAFTA came to be. We need "fair trade".
"Again, I've seen more people fired for bullshit than I've seen fired for "slacking", and I've seen some slackers get away with murder. Your whole premise is that bosses really know what is going on in their own shops, and it's been my experience most of them are kind of clueless. "
Define bullshit.....We have laws that require termination "for cause". No one gets fired for "bullshit"...They usually have violated company policy in one way or another and have been for an extended period of time.
In union shops, managers are forced to look the other way because the union basically requires a capital crime to be committed by the worker in order for them to get canned.
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I must ask....Given the propensity of you people on the left to use the term "working people", I want to see your definition of "working people"...
This oughta be good.
Someone who goes to a job every day, doesn't go off for half the day and play golf or drink two martini lunches or is done every day at 3 PM."...
That's not a definition. That's an opinion.
In conclusion. I think your view of things is highly biased and closed minded.
You remind of the typical line type worker who thinks he works hard and because of that believes he is entitled to what others have. You are uncomfortable with wealth. You do not believe in achievement and success. You mock these concepts. In fact you dismiss them. Your kind looks upon people of means and says to them self " I work twice as hard as that gut, why should he be able to live in that house, drive that car, send his kids ot private school, go on vacation, etc...." You hate him...
Years ago when the middle class father walked his kid down the street and saw a guy driving an expensive car he'd tell his son/daughter "Some day you will be able to own one of those cars if you get an education learn a skill and do your best".
Today people like you walk their kid down the street and say, "see that guy driving that expensive car, he screws his workers so he can drive around in a fancy car. He owes you."...
You are closed minded and that is a shame. Your inability to see the bigger picture convinces you your conspiracies about the well to do are correct. To you, there is no other answer.
That's irrational. It is at this time I terminate this discussion with you based on your irrational and fearful ideas.
You will not change your outlook. You will forever remain bitter over these issues of class and wealth.
BYE!
