‘There are a lot of bitter people here, I’m one of them’: rust belt voters on why they backed Trump again despite his broken promises

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The Guardian

Many in Youngstown, Ohio, believe the president-elect will tackle the town’s decline this time. Others are worried about his character flaws. Their concerns help explain how he returned to power – and how his second term might play out

Andrew Gumbel
Sat 11 Jan 2025 07.00 EST
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The last time Donald Trump was president, he travelled to Youngstown, Ohio, among the most depressed of America’s rust belt cities, and promised voters the impossible. The high-paying steel, railroad and car industry jobs that once made Youngstown a hard-living, hard-drinking blue-collar boom town were coming back, he said. “Don’t move. Don’t sell your house,” he crowed to a rapturous crowd in 2017. “We’re going to fill up those factories – or rip ”em down and build brand new ones”.

None of that happened. Indeed, within 18 months, General Motors (GM) announced that it was suspending operations at its one remaining manufacturing plant outside Youngstown, throwing 5,000 jobs into jeopardy in a community with little else to cling to. Trump’s reaction was to say the closure didn’t matter, because the jobs would be replaced “in, like, two minutes”.

That, too, did not happen. People moved away, marriages broke down, depression soared and, locals say, a handful of people took their own lives.

Ordinarily, politicians who promise the moon and fail to deliver get punished at the ballot box. But that did not happen to Trump either. Instead, he has steadily built up his popularity in Youngstown, a city that was once a well-oiled Democratic party machine but has now turned into one of his most remarkable bases of working-class support.

“Does [Trump] understand at all what you’re going through?” Joe Biden asked Ohio voters during the 2020 presidential campaign, referring directly to the GM closure. “Does he see you where you are and where you want to be? Does he care?”

To which the answer, in Youngstown, has been an astonishing and vigorous “yes”...

Anyone seeking to understand the earthquake that has shaken US politics – to the point where a convicted felon, serial liar and twice-impeached former president can return to the White House in triumph, as Trump will do on 20 January – might learn a lot from the disillusioned working-class voters of north-east Ohio.

They tell blunt, profanity-laden stories of watching their city slump ever deeper into decline and express a real bleakness about the future. They see a political class corrupted by big-money donors who, they say, don’t care about communities like theirs. White voters point to conversations about justice – for racial minorities, for the children of immigrants, for women worried about losing their reproductive rights, for transgender teenagers – and question why nobody ever talks about justice for them.

Few expect Trump to fix everything or believe him when he says he will. What they do believe is that the system is broken and corrupt, just as Trump says it is, and that a candidate who promises to tear it down and start again might just be on to something.

“We just want a change, a change in the weather,” a retired aluminium worker wanting to go just by his first name, Paul, said as he sat with a group of friends in a cigarette shop in Struthers, a down-at-heel overwhelmingly white Youngstown suburb once known for its thick clusters of bars, pizza parlours, strip clubs and illegal gambling joints.

Paul and his friends come to the shop most days not to smoke – smoking is not allowed – but to scratch away at lottery tickets and reminisce about the old days, when a single factory salary could support a whole family and the main drag in Struthers was packed every Friday night with working men flush with their weekly pay packet...

The high-paying factory jobs started disappearing in the late 1970s with the closure of Youngstown Sheet & Tube, based in Struthers, and the bars and other businesses followed soon after...

“We feel left behind,” said another cigarette shop patron, a former railroad worker who wanted to be known just as Joe. “People who’ve lived here all their lives are working two or three jobs just to pay their bills.”


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When Henry Ford started his first assembly line in 1913 he said, "It will be a haven for those without the brains to do anything else." For four generations it was. Now that haven is coming to an end.

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To pass the test to get into a trade school to learn a skilled blue collar trade one probably needs an IQ of at least 80. That is the cut off point to get into the military. Trump cannot solve the problems of those people below 80. He does articulate their anger and gives them people to hate.

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The Guardian

Many in Youngstown, Ohio, believe the president-elect will tackle the town’s decline this time. Others are worried about his character flaws. Their concerns help explain how he returned to power – and how his second term might play out

Andrew Gumbel
Sat 11 Jan 2025 07.00 EST
Share


The last time Donald Trump was president, he travelled to Youngstown, Ohio, among the most depressed of America’s rust belt cities, and promised voters the impossible. The high-paying steel, railroad and car industry jobs that once made Youngstown a hard-living, hard-drinking blue-collar boom town were coming back, he said. “Don’t move. Don’t sell your house,” he crowed to a rapturous crowd in 2017. “We’re going to fill up those factories – or rip ”em down and build brand new ones”.

None of that happened. Indeed, within 18 months, General Motors (GM) announced that it was suspending operations at its one remaining manufacturing plant outside Youngstown, throwing 5,000 jobs into jeopardy in a community with little else to cling to. Trump’s reaction was to say the closure didn’t matter, because the jobs would be replaced “in, like, two minutes”.

That, too, did not happen. People moved away, marriages broke down, depression soared and, locals say, a handful of people took their own lives.

Ordinarily, politicians who promise the moon and fail to deliver get punished at the ballot box. But that did not happen to Trump either. Instead, he has steadily built up his popularity in Youngstown, a city that was once a well-oiled Democratic party machine but has now turned into one of his most remarkable bases of working-class support.

“Does [Trump] understand at all what you’re going through?” Joe Biden asked Ohio voters during the 2020 presidential campaign, referring directly to the GM closure. “Does he see you where you are and where you want to be? Does he care?”

To which the answer, in Youngstown, has been an astonishing and vigorous “yes”...

Anyone seeking to understand the earthquake that has shaken US politics – to the point where a convicted felon, serial liar and twice-impeached former president can return to the White House in triumph, as Trump will do on 20 January – might learn a lot from the disillusioned working-class voters of north-east Ohio.

They tell blunt, profanity-laden stories of watching their city slump ever deeper into decline and express a real bleakness about the future. They see a political class corrupted by big-money donors who, they say, don’t care about communities like theirs. White voters point to conversations about justice – for racial minorities, for the children of immigrants, for women worried about losing their reproductive rights, for transgender teenagers – and question why nobody ever talks about justice for them.

Few expect Trump to fix everything or believe him when he says he will. What they do believe is that the system is broken and corrupt, just as Trump says it is, and that a candidate who promises to tear it down and start again might just be on to something.

“We just want a change, a change in the weather,” a retired aluminium worker wanting to go just by his first name, Paul, said as he sat with a group of friends in a cigarette shop in Struthers, a down-at-heel overwhelmingly white Youngstown suburb once known for its thick clusters of bars, pizza parlours, strip clubs and illegal gambling joints.

Paul and his friends come to the shop most days not to smoke – smoking is not allowed – but to scratch away at lottery tickets and reminisce about the old days, when a single factory salary could support a whole family and the main drag in Struthers was packed every Friday night with working men flush with their weekly pay packet...

The high-paying factory jobs started disappearing in the late 1970s with the closure of Youngstown Sheet & Tube, based in Struthers, and the bars and other businesses followed soon after...

“We feel left behind,” said another cigarette shop patron, a former railroad worker who wanted to be known just as Joe. “People who’ve lived here all their lives are working two or three jobs just to pay their bills.”


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When Henry Ford started his first assembly line in 1913 he said, "It will be a haven for those without the brains to do anything else." For four generations it was. Now that haven is coming to an end.

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To pass the test to get into a trade school to learn a skilled blue collar trade one probably needs an IQ of at least 80. That is the cut off point to get into the military. Trump cannot solve the problems of those people below 80. He does articulate their anger and gives them people to hate.

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In 1990 in Germany, the first election after reunification happened.

The left wing SPD said "It'll be a difficult road ahead"
The right wing CDU said "it'll be wonderful"

So people voted for wonderful.

They got a difficult road.

Voters are mostly stupid people who believe manipulators and have no idea what's going on around them.
 
Trump hasn't even taken office yet. The world has changed,.with rapid automation and globalization which has often traded values for "cheap.stuff". These same reluctance to embrace values and principles is why many ignorant people turned their back on Israel and Judaism after the Oct.7th attack. Capitalists in the West need to ensure that products are manufactured locally with regulations and fair labour not slave labour. This same principles must be followed in how we deal with the world, not based on convenience, but on legitimate shared values, be it Israel, Taiwan or South Korea (if the West can maintain influence there). Support employment at home with basic standards. Try and support nations who believe in the principles of tolerance, civil liberties, fair.justice and open.debate instead of blindly supporting the bigger voting bloc or nation while abandoning the smaller nation who are more agreeable in values.
 
The article tells the story I've been telling. Both parties lie through their teeth and for some reason the people still think they are the answer.

Politicians show up and lie through their teeth and people for some reason clamor for more.
 
The article tells the story I've been telling. Both parties lie through their teeth and for some reason the people still think they are the answer.

Politicians show up and lie through their teeth and people for some reason clamor for more.
This is far more true of Trump than anyone else.
 
Pew Research Center, September 9, 2024

/----/ So what? That accounts for 41% of the voters, and Trump gets 43% of those with a degree. That 12% advantage isn't much to crow about.

Why education level has become the best predictor for how …

Oct 14, 2024 · In 2020, according to CNN’s exit polls, voters with a college degree accounted for 41% of the electorate and they supported President Joe Biden 55% to Trump’s 43%. Trump …
 
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Trump hasn't even taken office yet. The world has changed,.with rapid automation and globalization which has often traded values for "cheap.stuff". These same reluctance to embrace values and principles is why many ignorant people turned their back on Israel and Judaism after the Oct.7th attack. Capitalists in the West need to ensure that products are manufactured locally with regulations and fair labour not slave labour. This same principles must be followed in how we deal with the world, not based on convenience, but on legitimate shared values, be it Israel, Taiwan or South Korea (if the West can maintain influence there). Support employment at home with basic standards. Try and support nations who believe in the principles of tolerance, civil liberties, fair.justice and open.debate instead of blindly supporting the bigger voting bloc or nation while abandoning the smaller nation who are more agreeable in values.
I like what he said days ago: "we all changed."


TRUMP: Well, maybe we all changed...
 
/----/ So what? That accounts for 41% of the voters, and Trump gets 43% of those with a degree. That 12% advantage isn't much to crow about.

Why education level has become the best predictor for how …

Oct 14, 2024 · In 2020, according to CNN’s exit polls, voters with a college degree accounted for 41% of the electorate and they supported President Joe Biden 55% to Trump’s 43%. Trump …
Well educated people are better able to see through Trump's unachievable promises. They are more likely to be offended by Trump's low class personality and his fourth grade vocabulary.
 
Well educated people are better able to see through Trump's unachievable promises. They are more likely to be offended by Trump's low class personality and his fourth grade vocabulary.
The reality is that those with college educations earn more and were better able to weather Bidenomics than those without - who are the working class struggling under high grocery, gas, and rent pices, all the while seeing how the Democrats incentivize illegals and reward them with free housing, meals, and medical care.

And that is why you lost. Well…..that and the idiot selected for being a female black, and who spoke in word salad.
 
If Trump achieves 1/3 of his platform ,i'll have been glad to have voted for him Hector

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This. Everyone know that politicians can’t deliver on everything they promise. But Trump will deliver on some.

Then you compare it to Harris - whose “promises” were more of the same as we got with the horrific Biden Administration.
 
Those jobs are not coming back to Youngstown.
Even the people realize it.

Trump makes empty promises and offers them a target for their wrath.
You are suffering because of immigrants
Trump makes their hatred of brown people and gays acceptable again
 
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