Ultimate energy source

[watchingfromafar]

Just for laughs, here is an idea that died from old age~~~~

 

[danielpalos]

Are your three engineers still working on some numbers for you?

No, they gave back the money because I continued to change the preamitors. They all decided to wait until I had a final verson to work with; but they did not say it was an impossible idea.

I don't thank anyone "here" will be able to PROVE TO YOU that your device will not work as you intend, as an energy source..

Sure you can prove me wrong, the model is simplified so a simplified rebuttal should suffice

JoeMoma, You would not recognize proof if you saw it.

Since you obviously will not believe anyone on this forum that your device will not work, or believe the thousands of years of history in which many have tried and all have failed to create similar mechanical devices (perpetual motion machines) try making a scale model that works as you intend. it will not.

JoeMoma, this is NOT a (perpetual motion machines)

And by the way, your device is considered a perpetual motion machine because if it worked as you intend, to create energy, then once set in motion the output energy of your device could be looped back to the air pump and run your device

Which does not make it a perpetual motion machine no more than a car is a perpetual motion machine.
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perpetual-motion machine

Definition of perpetual-motion machine | Dictionary.com
A machine that could run forever. A perpetual-motion machine would have to produce at least as much energy as was needed for its operation. According to the second law of thermodynamics, such a machine is impossible, and to date none has ever been successfully demonstrated.

Yes, your device would be a perpetual motion machine (If it worked as you intend) because in order to be an "Energy source" it would have to produce more energy than needed for it's operation. A car does not do that which is why one much keep putting gas in it for it to continue to operate.

If you wish to continue to disbelieve well known laws of physics which prove that your device will not work, be my guest.

Hypothetically, we could use deep ocean current flows for energy. It should be less environmentally sensitive, hopefully; or, we could install enough to actually "control" weather patterns above.

 

[irosie91]

Are your three engineers still working on some numbers for you?

No, they gave back the money because I continued to change the preamitors. They all decided to wait until I had a final verson to work with; but they did not say it was an impossible idea.

I don't thank anyone "here" will be able to PROVE TO YOU that your device will not work as you intend, as an energy source..

Sure you can prove me wrong, the model is simplified so a simplified rebuttal should suffice

JoeMoma, You would not recognize proof if you saw it.

Since you obviously will not believe anyone on this forum that your device will not work, or believe the thousands of years of history in which many have tried and all have failed to create similar mechanical devices (perpetual motion machines) try making a scale model that works as you intend. it will not.

JoeMoma, this is NOT a (perpetual motion machines)

And by the way, your device is considered a perpetual motion machine because if it worked as you intend, to create energy, then once set in motion the output energy of your device could be looped back to the air pump and run your device

Which does not make it a perpetual motion machine no more than a car is a perpetual motion machine.
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perpetual-motion machine

Definition of perpetual-motion machine | Dictionary.com
A machine that could run forever. A perpetual-motion machine would have to produce at least as much energy as was needed for its operation. According to the second law of thermodynamics, such a machine is impossible, and to date none has ever been successfully demonstrated.

Yes, your device would be a perpetual motion machine (If it worked as you intend) because in order to be an "Energy source" it would have to produce more energy than needed for it's operation. A car does not do that which is why one much keep putting gas in it for it to continue to operate.

If you wish to continue to disbelieve well known laws of physics which prove that your device will not work, be my guest.

Hypothetically, we could use deep ocean current flows for energy. It should be less environmentally sensitive, hopefully; or, we could install enough to actually "control" weather patterns above.

from your mouth to the EARS OF POSEIDAN

 

[watchingfromafar]

from your mouth to the EARS OF POSEIDAN

Come on, what's up-?
If you saw a flaw in the design please come forward and say it.
pinch of King Neptune's Poseidon Powder is cocaine & I don't touch the stuff; how about you-?
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[irosie91]

from your mouth to the EARS OF POSEIDAN

Come on, what's up-?
If you saw a flaw in the design please come forward and say it.
pinch of King Neptune's Poseidon Powder is cocaine & I don't touch the stuff; how about you-?
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I am game----got any?

 

[danielpalos]

sorry, i got no money, honey.

 

[watchingfromafar]

sorry, i got no money, honey.

get a job
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[watchingfromafar]

Here is another look at the system. The bubbles are more like hot air balloons but instead of heat, air is added. As the air bubble rises, it expands creating more lifting force. When all six (6) bubbles have air in them they combine this lifting force.
prove it won't work
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[JoeMoma]

Here is another look at the system. The bubbles are more like hot air balloons but instead of heat, air is added. As the air bubble rises, it expands creating more lifting force. When all six (6) bubbles have air in them they combine this lifting force.
prove it won't work
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Build the thing and prove it does work! The burden of proof is on you.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Here is another look at the system. The bubbles are more like hot air balloons but instead of heat, air is added. As the air bubble rises, it expands creating more lifting force. When all six (6) bubbles have air in them they combine this lifting force.
prove it won't work
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Build the thing and prove it does work! The burden of proof is on you.

Imagine the losses to friction with sea water.
Enormous!

 

[JoeMoma]

Here is another look at the system. The bubbles are more like hot air balloons but instead of heat, air is added. As the air bubble rises, it expands creating more lifting force. When all six (6) bubbles have air in them they combine this lifting force.
prove it won't work
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Build the thing and prove it does work! The burden of proof is on you.

Imagine the losses to friction with sea water.
Enormous!

The burden of proof is on watchingfromafar. No explanation as to why his contraption cannot produce more energy than is input will ever be good enough for him.

 

[watchingfromafar]

Build the thing and prove it does work! The burden of proof is on you.

I would build the thing to prove it works but to do that it would have to be built full scale, in the ocean as advertised. You can’t make a scaled model, it wouldn’t work.

A three-dimensional computer model would work if it was programed to operate with the same parameters as the real thing including depth and sea pressure; ATM’s and it would have to operate in real time..

For every ATM in depth (33') an air bubble is compressed to half its size.
This also works in the reverse. An air bubble with a radius of 10 FT at 15 ATM's will expand to twice its size (r=20) at 14 ATM's.

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[JoeMoma]

Build the thing and prove it does work! The burden of proof is on you.

I would build the thing to prove it works but to do that it would have to be built full scale, in the ocean as advertised. You can’t make a scaled model, it wouldn’t work.

A three-dimensional computer model would work if it was programed to operate with the same parameters as the real thing including depth and sea pressure; ATM’s and it would have to operate in real time..

For every ATM in depth (33') an air bubble is compressed to half its size.
This also works in the reverse. An air bubble with a radius of 10 FT at 15 ATM's will expand to twice its size (r=20) at 14 ATM's.

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Just about everyone who has replied to this thread have told you that your device will not work. Prove us wrong!

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Build the thing and prove it does work! The burden of proof is on you.

I would build the thing to prove it works but to do that it would have to be built full scale, in the ocean as advertised. You can’t make a scaled model, it wouldn’t work.

A three-dimensional computer model would work if it was programed to operate with the same parameters as the real thing including depth and sea pressure; ATM’s and it would have to operate in real time..

For every ATM in depth (33') an air bubble is compressed to half its size.
This also works in the reverse. An air bubble with a radius of 10 FT at 15 ATM's will expand to twice its size (r=20) at 14 ATM's.

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An air bubble with a radius of 10 FT at 15 ATM's will expand to twice its size (r=20) at 14 ATM's.

PV=nRT

Cough....check your math....Cough

 

[eagle1462010]

You need energy to create the air and pump it into the buckets............that will exceed the output of the power of the bucket thing................

All you need to create current is MFC................Motion......Magnetic field.................and a current carrying conductor..........

In the Navy it was called Mary's Fuzzy **** ..........so we'd never forget it...........not kidding here.........lol

Ocean current is already used to drive props or propellers to provide the Motion.......geared down to drive a generator to produce electricity..........which is simple but not completely reliable energy..................

 

[JoeMoma]

Build the thing and prove it does work! The burden of proof is on you.

I would build the thing to prove it works but to do that it would have to be built full scale, in the ocean as advertised. You can’t make a scaled model, it wouldn’t work.

A three-dimensional computer model would work if it was programed to operate with the same parameters as the real thing including depth and sea pressure; ATM’s and it would have to operate in real time..

For every ATM in depth (33') an air bubble is compressed to half its size.
This also works in the reverse. An air bubble with a radius of 10 FT at 15 ATM's will expand to twice its size (r=20) at 14 ATM's.

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An air bubble with a radius of 10 FT at 15 ATM's will expand to twice its size (r=20) at 14 ATM's.

PV=nRT

Cough....check your math....Cough

Also, doubling the radius would result in increasing the volume by a factor of 8 (2^3).

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Build the thing and prove it does work! The burden of proof is on you.

I would build the thing to prove it works but to do that it would have to be built full scale, in the ocean as advertised. You can’t make a scaled model, it wouldn’t work.

A three-dimensional computer model would work if it was programed to operate with the same parameters as the real thing including depth and sea pressure; ATM’s and it would have to operate in real time..

For every ATM in depth (33') an air bubble is compressed to half its size.
This also works in the reverse. An air bubble with a radius of 10 FT at 15 ATM's will expand to twice its size (r=20) at 14 ATM's.

-

An air bubble with a radius of 10 FT at 15 ATM's will expand to twice its size (r=20) at 14 ATM's.

PV=nRT

Cough....check your math....Cough

Also, doubling the radius would result in increasing the volume by a factor of 8 (2^3).

Doubling the pressure halves the volume, halving the pressure doubles the volume.
No need for a radius or radius^3.

 

[eagle1462010]

Where is the magical shaft going to be on the generator actually producing electricity............You got something that can go round and round...........it has to drive a shaft to produce power...................That would have to be out of the water and attached to the upper pulley to produce the motion required to create electricity............

 

[JoeMoma]

Build the thing and prove it does work! The burden of proof is on you.

I would build the thing to prove it works but to do that it would have to be built full scale, in the ocean as advertised. You can’t make a scaled model, it wouldn’t work.

A three-dimensional computer model would work if it was programed to operate with the same parameters as the real thing including depth and sea pressure; ATM’s and it would have to operate in real time..

For every ATM in depth (33') an air bubble is compressed to half its size.
This also works in the reverse. An air bubble with a radius of 10 FT at 15 ATM's will expand to twice its size (r=20) at 14 ATM's.

-

An air bubble with a radius of 10 FT at 15 ATM's will expand to twice its size (r=20) at 14 ATM's.

PV=nRT

Cough....check your math....Cough

Also, doubling the radius would result in increasing the volume by a factor of 8 (2^3).

Doubling the pressure halves the volume, halving the pressure doubles the volume.
No need for a radius or radius^3.

Agreed. Just saying that doubling the radius (of a sphere) equates to increasing the volume of the sphere by a factor of 8. So his math is wrong several ways.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Build the thing and prove it does work! The burden of proof is on you.

I would build the thing to prove it works but to do that it would have to be built full scale, in the ocean as advertised. You can’t make a scaled model, it wouldn’t work.

A three-dimensional computer model would work if it was programed to operate with the same parameters as the real thing including depth and sea pressure; ATM’s and it would have to operate in real time..

For every ATM in depth (33') an air bubble is compressed to half its size.
This also works in the reverse. An air bubble with a radius of 10 FT at 15 ATM's will expand to twice its size (r=20) at 14 ATM's.

-

An air bubble with a radius of 10 FT at 15 ATM's will expand to twice its size (r=20) at 14 ATM's.

PV=nRT

Cough....check your math....Cough

Also, doubling the radius would result in increasing the volume by a factor of 8 (2^3).

Doubling the pressure halves the volume, halving the pressure doubles the volume.
No need for a radius or radius^3.

Agreed. Just saying that doubling the radius (of a sphere) equates to increasing the volume of the sphere by a factor of 8. So his math is wrong several ways.

Well, if we start listing all the ways he's wrong, we'll be here all night.